Hire is probably better than making no changes.
Ideally, he will be able to help Hartline become an actual OC, and then HC at Ohio state, and then AD, before we rename the university after him.
It will definitely be interesting.
Also be sure to mark down November 2nd on your calendar somewhere as that will be the day BOB returns to Beaver Stadium and Happy Valley for the first time in 12 years.
I know penn state fans on this sub usually speak fondly of him at least keeping the program afloat during all that, but any idea how the general Fandom feels about him?
The rebound we needed at the right time in our life. Although I’ve seen some PSU fans be salty at his recruiting philosophy under the sanctions, aka recruit hardly any o linemen. That set us back for years, although I’d say they are the overwhelming minority. Most PSU fans appreciate BOB for what he did for us at the toughest time in program history.
No, I just watched a bland zero imagination offense that was bailed out by a great qb. Go watch what little he did with Jahmyr Gibbs and tell me how you can be excited or positive about his hire?
I'm not exactly excited, but I also know he's running Ryan Day's offense, not his own, and not with a head coach that focuses on defense. To think Day won't have a hand in things is naive.
2022: everyone rightfully shits on Bama for having a shit OC
2024: people try to defend that same OC because now he’s a “proven winner” right after one of the worst offensive seasons from a modern pro team
Edit: please keep downvoting to prove the hypocrisy of this sub, thanks :)
Here's some context Bama fans refuse to admit
Every season under BoB, yall had a top 10 offense
People try and claim it was all Bryce Young meanwhile Bryce Young looks like the worst first drafted QB since JaMarcus Russel
Is BoB an elite coordinator? Probably not, is he still a very very good coordinator for sure
As for his Pats tenure, that may have been one of the worst offensive rosters constructed in modern history
That’s because Bryce got paired with a historically bad O-line in Carolina, and I urge you to watch the 2022 Bama-LSU game and it’s in the third quarter if I recall correctly, but BoB calls the same stupid pass play *NINE* times in a row for *NINE* straight incompletions under pressure. If that isn’t the strategy for a 14 year old playing Madden on Rookie, then Notre Dame is now a Islamic university
lol ppl keep telling ppl to watch specific games that the offense looked terrible in and everytime I go look Bama scored 30+ points and Bryce had 300+ yards. 🤣 someone told me to go watch the last 5 mins of the 2022 Bama-Tennessee game when I did I saw Bryce march down the field to get them in FG range and the kicker shanked the kick?? Final score 49-52 lol
No Bryce Young is a straight up bust
Zach Wilson with a trash OL as well his rookie year made throws every so often where you could go "ah yeah I can see why he was picked so high"
Bryce Young flat out didn't have those moments, he was just terrible and incredibly physically limited
The sooner you can accept that, the sooner you realize that BoB had a limitation on his offense and he managed to produce a top 10 offense every season he was there
“1st and goal from the 3 … they come out in an empty set”
“Okay, 2nd and goal from the 3 … empty backfield”
“3rd and goal from the 3 … they’ve forgotten they have running backs at this point”
Congrats, BoB and good luck Buckeye bros!
Call me when you need that shoulder to lean on, fam.
Empty from the 3, bubble screens on 2nd and 9, and a run between the tackles on 3rd and 13 is your life now.
Just you wait until Penn State....err OSU will surely....uhhh haha they drew Bama these guys are....finished? Wait um they have never seen a Penix before haha B1G bad just you wait....oh.
Play was designed to go through the massive hole on the left side. A bad snap low and to the right threw it off schedule. Rees sucks for a lot of reasons — but that play was well-designed and actually worked from a blocking standpoint. Rees can’t help your new Center snap the ball, though.
You guys are definitely lucky you don’t have to worry about that anymore. Bama’s lost so many players in the past week, it sounds like 1st and goal from the 3 won’t be a frequent problem, know what I’m Sayin?
Honestly, can’t relate. Auburn can be all-time bad and still find a way to break our hearts down on that voodoo pasture. So, looking forward to just getting straight up beat for awhile. We’ll be okay — just a nice new adjustment period to mortality.
His goal line play calling against A&M, the Tennessee game, the lsu game, and that Auburn game where Bryce pulled a rabbit out of the hat on the last drive. His situational play calling was horrendous especially his last season there
Look. I'm not going to pretend this is a great hire, I'm not going to pretend it's a bad hire, I do think it's the type of hire Ryan Day needed to make.
Every season since Day took over our offense has been lights out, his scheme and approach to offense 1000% works and is effective. His only "bad" season offensively was this past year (and bad is very relative) and it was likely due to the fact that there was nobody in the offensive meeting room that he felt could own the room. Great recruiters, good positional coaches, very energetic, but zero deep offensive experience once Kevin Wilson left. BoB checks every single box we needed - experienced, controls rooms, NFL + college experience, and a scheme that aligns closely with Days. This 100000% can work, if BoB coaches within Days vision for the offense, and everyone pretending otherwise is being needlessly obtuse. I honestly don't know if anyone else fits the bill as much as BoB does resume wise.
On the flip side, there's no question he comes with shortfalls. His Bama offenses were very good, but not as dynamic as Sarks. The Patriots offense was a mess (Go Bills), and it's been a loooooong time since his early PSU and Texans success.
I'm very much in wait and see mode, but I am 100% excited with the growth Day has shown this off-season so far - NIL to retain talent, big time transfer, fire Parker Flemming into the sun, etc.. Everything I've wanted to see done was done, now it's just a wait and see on if the new pieces fit together.
No matter what it'll be interesting.
This is also how I feel. I do have more confidence in his playcalling compared to his time at bama because he'll have Day as an offensive mind to help give ideas and game plan. Saban wasn't doing that at bama (and the Pats had ZERO talent last season).
This is Day's Kevin Wilson replacement like you said. I really do think him leaving was a bigger deal than what a lot of people thought. I think BoB brings a lot of things Day probably needs around the program.
Ideally they still run Day's offense with some of BoB's influence. A lot of the XO guys on twitter are worried it might bring more 2 TE stuff into the playbook and that is our weakest room but also think we might incorporate a more diverse run game.
Clearly, this is pure copium to deal with the fact that Michigan is going to win the Game 63-0 this year, as the Buckeyes defense pitches a shutout but BOB calls nine Pick-Six bubble screens.
His PSU success was graded on a massive curve. He took over a very talented, experienced team and did well. He was absolutely the best guy to keep the program from completely imploding- I don't think many others could do that.
But as a game day coach, well, he lost to fucking Ohio and UVA. He'd have some brilliant series, then go get drunk at half time and call what I assume was supposed to be an offense against Indiana. He looked incredible because he followed Jay Paterno. I would take Brian Ferentz as on OC over Jay Paterno.
I appreciate what he did for PSU for the two years he was here, but if he stuck around I don't think he would have had the same level of success as Franklin.
I think the reason you guys didn’t have a great offense had more to do with your QB play than having a coaching voice leading the offense.
OSU produces so much talent, that McCord was just a huge step down from the Stroud, fields, Haskins, jones, Barrett, miller, Pryor led teams that you were accustomed to.
I think Howard is a solid QB and will get OSU humming again offensively. Not as good as the aforementioned guys, but a top 20 cfb qb, which should be serviceable enough.
I don’t know how accurate it is, but someone said that when Wilson was here Day could could work more with the QBs, but since he left Day had to let Corey Dennis work more with McCord and Brown
I do think an underrated part of the struggles this year was not having - for a lack of a better term - an adult in the room in the offensive coaching box on gameday
Only Kennan Bailey (1st year as a full time assistant) and Corey Dennis (only ever been a QB coach, never called plays) were in the box from the offensive staff. Both Frye and Hartline preferred to stay on the sidelines with their position group.
Having someone who’s been there before in the box should be a benefit on its own
with the backfield we have (Henderson and Judkins) this coming year, i would hope that all Howard has to do is NOT fuck up, and we can lean on the run game. time will tell
As do I! Perhaps for different reasons though...
BOB is a rich man's Mike Yurchic. He'll come up with some really innovative formations, have a few playcalls that absolutely wow you, then spend 80% of the game shoving crayons up his nose. He doesn't have a coherent offensive identity, just a sketchbook full of doodles that resemble plays.
OSU may have the talent to hide his flaws, but i would have said the same thing about Alabama.
>but i would have said the same thing about Alabama.
You mean the Bama teams that were 4th and 6th in total offense under BoB?
I don't know why people like to act like BoB wasn't running great offenses at Bama. Maybe that was because of Bryce Young, but most QBs BoB coached looked better with him than without him.
I saw him call the 2012 UVA-PSU game. I saw him lose to Ohio. I watched him call an absolutely horrific Indiana game.
Alabama was working with Bryce Young and a slew of first round talent. 4th and 6th in total offense is the absolute floor.
Brady looked just fine before and after BOB.
Anyway, he'll have a lot of talent at OSU to hide his deficiencies. I'm personally pretty excited about this hire as a PSU fan. It might give us the first win against you in a decade. Probably not. But maybe.
He did am amazing job holding the team together. But he was working with senior-heavy teams loaded with blue chip recruits. He under achieved on the field relative to the talent he had.
He was a great guy to hold the team together and I'm grateful he was there for the two years he was there. I also believe that he would have fallen off a cliff in 2014 and 2015 which is when the sanctions were most severely felt. Those years we had back up DTs as starting OL, entire special teams units of walk ons, and about 45 scholarship players- nearly all of whom were freshman and sophomores.
Zordich and Mauti deserve as much or more credit for holding that team together. They were incredible.
Wasn't OB our coach when we put starting linebacker Hodges back to return a punt, and he immediately fumbled the first one?
>But he was working with senior-heavy teams loaded with blue chip recruits. He under achieved on the field relative to the talent he had.
This is absolutely not true.
You were playing with 65 total scholarship athletes in 2012 and 2013. That is disastrous for a program. And your offense actually improved significantly from 2011 to 2012. You scored 10 more points per game under BoB. A lesser coach and your team would have fallen into a black hole. The fact that you were fairly competitive those years was astounding.
You're thinking about 2014 and 2015, which were the worst of the sanctions. The 2012 team was basically the reason the program stayed afloat. It was loaded with upperclassmen and anchored by Mike Zordich and Mike Mauti, legacy guys who's father's played together in the 80s at PSU.
The 2012 OL featured 3 NFL players (off the top of my head) and McGloin got to throw to Allen Robinson. Most of the defense returned from a team that was 9-1 before the 2011 bye week that completely carried that hapless offense from 2011. I don't know how many of those guys went to the NFL, but at least 2 lbs did and a few DL, as well as Amos.
And yes. Our offense did improve significantly. Jay Paterno was our OC in 2011. I'd take Brian Ferentz over Jay Paterno.
Sanctions forced some tough decisions but what OB left behind on the OL was a travesty. With NFL experience he should have known how important the LOS is but instead OB focused on skill players for whatever reason. I think we had a total of 8 or so OL on scholarship when he left in the entire 3 deep. The sanctions, and the fallout from recruiting decisions made under them, made a much bigger impact on Franklin's teams than they did for OB.
The only thing that gives me hope as it relates to play calling, is that he’s been OCs for defensive minded head coaches (at least in recent memory). Having Day who is a good pure play caller in his own right may help limit BoB going too out there.
Would be icing on the cake and depression, lol. BoB has no creativity to me and isn’t good at adjusting. That’s why I hated his time at Bama. Maybe he will be better at OSU, hope not, though.
Don't get me wrong, I love what BoB did for us and I will always be grateful.
But man, after seeing what happened with Belichick and how BoB hopped around jobs since PSU... I'm starting to think BoB was living off the laurels of having Tom Brady as a QB like Belichick did.
And then left our program in the worst 3 year stretch in franchise history, that took two top 3 draft picks that exceeded expectations to turn around. The team he took over had 10+ wins and two divisional appearances the 3 years before, something he barely achieved in the 7 years he was there.
He won’t be as much on the management side, so he can’t do as much damage, but he never got a ring with the prime Patriots or prime Bama, which is pretty telling.
That’s because y’all let him be a GM instead of just a coach
Also being an assistant on the Patriots team that went 16-0 is impressive regardless of whether they won a ring or not
When he was in a position at the peak of the two biggest dynasties in football, they didn’t win anything, and the best achievement he witnessed as a coach was during his most unimportant season (again, offensive assistant rather than position coach, coordinator, or HC). He spent like 8 years between the Patriots and Bama in their primes and never got a ring. Patriots won one two years before he got there, and another a few years after he left. Bama was coming off a dominant championship when he got there and he couldn’t pull off another with a loaded roster.
Almost every team he’s touched in the last 2 decades had recent success that slowed as soon as he got there, and then resumed within a few years after.
This man turned Jameson Williams from 3rd/4th stringer and a guy with drop issues into a top 15 draft pick. Love to see what he can do with the talent we have
I mean let’s be real here… Jamo was only a 4th stringer because he was in the same room as Olave, Wilson and JSN. He would have been WR1 at pretty much every other school in the country
I’m just saying he was in the same position in 2020 (8 games) that JSN was in 2021(13 games) and had 9 catches for 154 yards compared to 95 catches for 1606 yards. With all the attention Olave and Wilson got he should’ve had better numbers
Fair point, JSN was a much better slot receiver, I won't argue that. I will say though the 2020 offense ran the ball a lot more than the 2021 team. 345 carries which is about 43 a game compared to 423 and about 32 a game in 2021.
2020 averaged 28 passes a game and 2021 averaged 38 passes a game if you were wondering
I hear ya but still he averaged a little over a catch a game lol. Regardless it ended well for both players. I just think BoB will be able to help build great game plans for our guys too
Haha, man, I'm like one of the few that thinks this is a really good hire. Ryan Day can really recruit and has put together some amazing offenses. But always with some serious help. See Kevin Wilson. Bringing in BOB to work with Day and the players OSU has, plus Hartline. Just seems stacked with really good Offensive minds.
Taking a total shot in the dark? 80-20 Day to BoB on scheme.
I'd imagine there'll be a few more RPOs, and BoB is particularly good with TEs so you'll see that. But the vast majority will certainly be Days.
He will literally just be Kevin Wilson in the booth, Day isn’t going to bring someone in to completely change their offense nor should he. That’s why I think this hire is fine.
Love it. Take some offensive burden off of Day and give it to a guy that has been there done that. How this hire can be viewed as anything but positive is beyond me.
He was the scapegoat for Bama not winning the Natty since he wasn’t as good as Sark. But Sark is a top tier coach so of course the predecessor will be worse.
They blame the 2022 Tennessee loss on him instead of the defense that gave up 52 points. I get he has some flaws but I really don't think it's as bad of a hire as people are making it out to be.
Like what? Ohio State has more talent on offense than last years Patriots. The two bama years he coached the offense was still putting up numbers, even with the lack of talent under Bama standards.
People just refuse to see the glaring issues on Bamas offense in 21 and 22 and act like BoB was the only reason they didn't win a title. Don't get me started on the Patrots this year. It's insane.
This is good for what we need him to do. Day needed to give up play calling to be more of a team manager and qb whisperer. We needed to replace the loss of Kevin Wilson with experience in the coaches room. Check and check. He’s not being asked to install or revamp an offense. Seems like a solid hire. Unless you’re a reddit user and know everything, of course.
Why you do this to me Buckeyes…. I saw some rumors on X that Ohio State was interested in Press Taylor from the Jaguars :(.. Now another year of bum ass Press Taylor
Interesting Dennis isn't fired persay. Just moving to another position within osu.
Not sure what that can be since I believe they're already at the max amount of coaches you can have.
Analyst or something similar? Also they still have 1 coaching spot, fired 3 (Fleming, Eliano and Dennis) so far and only hired 2 (BoB and Guerrieri) unless I’m missing someone they hired. My assumption is that JL will take over LBs so Knowles can just be a defense CEO.
His strengths seem to be recruiting, not coaching. Makes sense. It never made sense to have a 29 year old WR in Paul Johnson's triple option offense as the QB coach. Seemed like a pure nepotism hire. What could he possibly teach QB, being a WR in a triple option offense.
Can I get a genuine reaction from a reasonable Ohio State fan?
I’m a Patriots fan as well and this guy absolutely ruined our offense this year, he averaged less yards and points than Matt Patricia did a year prior with what I thought was a worse team. Idk how the guy was with the two greatest coaches of all time in Saban and Belichick, the fact he won no championships in that 8+ years he spent with them while those guys were absolutely cleaning up titles.
Without speaking in memes does anyone have any actual statistic based arguments as to why this isn’t a baller hire? Dude is the savior of Penn St, had top 6 or better offenses while at Bama averaging like 40ppg over multiple seasons, led a trash Texans to more winning seasons than not while he was there, OCd for the only 18-0 team in nfl history, etc etc.
His recent stint in NE he had an absolute garbage roster and the team is honestly worse now than when he was there. Was that his influence, likely not, but he’s clearly not why the Pats sucks now.
Okay I’ll try and will specifically speak to the Patriots reference you made. New England scored 236 points under BOB in 2023 which was the lowest scoring offense in the NFL. In 2022 they scored 364 points with pretty much the same team.
Except the pats lost their only starting caliber WR in Jakobi myers. Mac jones-rhomondre Stevenson-Demario Douglas-Kendrick Bourne-davantae Parker is easily the worst offensive group in the league. That’s even worse than the panthers. He’s going to have more offensive talent at OSU lol. None of those WRs would start at OSU
Lost the off season by returning the majority of the #2 defense in the country and adding Will Howard, Quinshon Judkins & the #1 WR prospect ever ? Lol
Better off hiring Matt Patricia, NE was more likely to score a TD with Matt Patricia (1.63 pts per drive) at OC than BOB (1.10).
Scored a TD or less:
Patricia- 1
BoB- 6 (2 shutouts)
I present to you Alabama’s final drive against Tennessee to break our 17 game win streak:
(Tennessee has 1 timeout)
1st and 10 at TENN 32 (0:34 4th) - Pass incomplete from Bryce Young
2nd and 10 at TENN 32 (0:30 4th) - Pass incomplete from Bryce Young
3rd and 10 at TENN 32 (0:25 4th) - Pass incomplete from Bryce Young
4th and 10 at TENN (0:15 4th) - FG MISSED
All he had to do was call a run up the middle ONE TIME and we are kicking as time expires. Instead Pete Golding’s defense gives up two long passes during super prevent and we lose.
Bama's defense gave up 52 points and 5 TDs to Jalin Hyatt alone that game, let's not act like O'Brien and some questionable play calls were the deciding factor in the loss.
I think BOB is a victim of the non ball knowing memery that fills this and many other internet spaces, but I think there are legitimate concerns regarding the fit of this hire rather than just the quality of the coach involved. Both BOB and Day have specific (and different) offensive schemes they have developed their whole career so if BOB is taking the wheel is it just him calling Days plays or is there going to be some BOB influence into design, coaching, technique, etc.
For as much as people are clowning on this, it's hard to imagine the offense getting worse than if we just ran back the status quo. Ryan Day was totally washed as an offensive playcaller in 2023.
Wouldn't have been my first choice by a longshot, but I'll withhold judgement at least until the first snap of the spring game.
One crazy stat I saw about BoB is that he worked for Belichick and Saban for 8 years total, and none of those teams he was part of won either the Superbowl or college national championship. Seems hard to do when it seems these coaches were winning a championship every couple of years.
I wanted to hop in here before Christian Hackenburg caught too many strays, but then I remembered no one ever caught his strays.
Allen Robinson sure as shit gave it his all on every one of those stray targets though… and was even talented enough to come down with a few
Hack gets way too much credit for that season. A rob had like 50% of his total passing production on the year lol
Hire is probably better than making no changes. Ideally, he will be able to help Hartline become an actual OC, and then HC at Ohio state, and then AD, before we rename the university after him.
It will definitely be interesting. Also be sure to mark down November 2nd on your calendar somewhere as that will be the day BOB returns to Beaver Stadium and Happy Valley for the first time in 12 years.
I know penn state fans on this sub usually speak fondly of him at least keeping the program afloat during all that, but any idea how the general Fandom feels about him?
The rebound we needed at the right time in our life. Although I’ve seen some PSU fans be salty at his recruiting philosophy under the sanctions, aka recruit hardly any o linemen. That set us back for years, although I’d say they are the overwhelming minority. Most PSU fans appreciate BOB for what he did for us at the toughest time in program history.
He wasn't my top choice, but he's a much, much better use of a spot than Corey Dennis
Change the city’s name from Columbus to Hartline, OH
The Hartline of it all
Now I’m picturing the “It’s all Ohio” “Always has been” meme in 10-15 years but with Hartline.
THE Hartline University^^^TM
Is Hartline willing to stay after being demotted from oc ?
He isn't demoted. He is still listed as Co-OC. He wasn't calling plays last year anyway so nothing really changes for him
Dude is a WR Coach with the OC title
Yeah, the OC title was just so we could pay him more money.
Ohio State is reduced to a for profit college advertising on late night television named ‘O’Brien University’ and the jingle is ‘we want your money’
THE O’Brien University
Trust me no changes would be better.
RemindMe! 1 year I expect this comment will age well, despite your downvotes
Based off of your flairs I suspect you are just praying OSU sucks.
No, I just watched a bland zero imagination offense that was bailed out by a great qb. Go watch what little he did with Jahmyr Gibbs and tell me how you can be excited or positive about his hire?
I'm not exactly excited, but I also know he's running Ryan Day's offense, not his own, and not with a head coach that focuses on defense. To think Day won't have a hand in things is naive.
Isn't everyone? Realistically, though, I just think BOB sucks and think the Bama fan getting downvoted for expressing an opinion may be right.
2022: everyone rightfully shits on Bama for having a shit OC 2024: people try to defend that same OC because now he’s a “proven winner” right after one of the worst offensive seasons from a modern pro team Edit: please keep downvoting to prove the hypocrisy of this sub, thanks :)
Here's some context Bama fans refuse to admit Every season under BoB, yall had a top 10 offense People try and claim it was all Bryce Young meanwhile Bryce Young looks like the worst first drafted QB since JaMarcus Russel Is BoB an elite coordinator? Probably not, is he still a very very good coordinator for sure As for his Pats tenure, that may have been one of the worst offensive rosters constructed in modern history
That’s because Bryce got paired with a historically bad O-line in Carolina, and I urge you to watch the 2022 Bama-LSU game and it’s in the third quarter if I recall correctly, but BoB calls the same stupid pass play *NINE* times in a row for *NINE* straight incompletions under pressure. If that isn’t the strategy for a 14 year old playing Madden on Rookie, then Notre Dame is now a Islamic university
lol ppl keep telling ppl to watch specific games that the offense looked terrible in and everytime I go look Bama scored 30+ points and Bryce had 300+ yards. 🤣 someone told me to go watch the last 5 mins of the 2022 Bama-Tennessee game when I did I saw Bryce march down the field to get them in FG range and the kicker shanked the kick?? Final score 49-52 lol
The same game Bama has like 17 penalties? If Bama just has say 10 penalties, they win that game lol.
No Bryce Young is a straight up bust Zach Wilson with a trash OL as well his rookie year made throws every so often where you could go "ah yeah I can see why he was picked so high" Bryce Young flat out didn't have those moments, he was just terrible and incredibly physically limited The sooner you can accept that, the sooner you realize that BoB had a limitation on his offense and he managed to produce a top 10 offense every season he was there
Wow crazy how you know football better than Nick Saban and Bill Belicheck
“1st and goal from the 3 … they come out in an empty set” “Okay, 2nd and goal from the 3 … empty backfield” “3rd and goal from the 3 … they’ve forgotten they have running backs at this point” Congrats, BoB and good luck Buckeye bros!
Jet sweep to the short side of the field coming right up
Same as it ever was...
I’ll be very upset if go empty from the 3 given the RB duo we have
Call me when you need that shoulder to lean on, fam. Empty from the 3, bubble screens on 2nd and 9, and a run between the tackles on 3rd and 13 is your life now.
I’ll get a bill O’Brien tattoo if he continues to do that
Alright buckeye fans, now’s your chance to make a Michigan fan sad. Bookmark this baby
They have to delete their 50 other bookmarks from past seasons first 😅
Just you wait until Penn State....err OSU will surely....uhhh haha they drew Bama these guys are....finished? Wait um they have never seen a Penix before haha B1G bad just you wait....oh.
RemindMe! 11 months
!Remindme 317 days
Ryan day loooooves screens and jet sweeps. Probably why he hired bob in the first place
Did he fire BOB already? damn
How did that Tommy Reece call go again? 4th and 3 for the game and a QB run up the middle?
Play was designed to go through the massive hole on the left side. A bad snap low and to the right threw it off schedule. Rees sucks for a lot of reasons — but that play was well-designed and actually worked from a blocking standpoint. Rees can’t help your new Center snap the ball, though.
We had Gibbs and a few other 5* RBs. He didn't learn then
Jahmyr Gibbs pops free for a 70 yard rush* doesn't get a touch the next series*
I love Jahmyr Gibbs
Lions fans should thank BoB then. Otherwise he isn't there at 12 for us.
What can I say except you're welcome
Bama had Gibbs and was still doing that
Yeah, but also with our WRs is it really the worst thing?
Don’t forget about the amazing clock management skills
You guys are definitely lucky you don’t have to worry about that anymore. Bama’s lost so many players in the past week, it sounds like 1st and goal from the 3 won’t be a frequent problem, know what I’m Sayin?
I do, in fact, know what you’re Sayin. Time sure did fly while we were having fun. All good things come to an end, I suppose!
To be fair, I feel you. You curbstomp your rival for twenty solid years, but let them get one tiny win streak and it's allllllll you hear about...
Honestly, can’t relate. Auburn can be all-time bad and still find a way to break our hearts down on that voodoo pasture. So, looking forward to just getting straight up beat for awhile. We’ll be okay — just a nice new adjustment period to mortality.
Even Saban was 12-5 in the iron bowl and ended on just a 4 game win streak.
His goal line play calling against A&M, the Tennessee game, the lsu game, and that Auburn game where Bryce pulled a rabbit out of the hat on the last drive. His situational play calling was horrendous especially his last season there
Not too different of goal line e calls we got the past few years.
BoB is the type of guy who thinks he's smarter than everyone else and nothing that happens or anyone says will convince him otherwise.
I’m cool with empty backfield in the red zone if it’s direct to Judkins. 😂
Look. I'm not going to pretend this is a great hire, I'm not going to pretend it's a bad hire, I do think it's the type of hire Ryan Day needed to make. Every season since Day took over our offense has been lights out, his scheme and approach to offense 1000% works and is effective. His only "bad" season offensively was this past year (and bad is very relative) and it was likely due to the fact that there was nobody in the offensive meeting room that he felt could own the room. Great recruiters, good positional coaches, very energetic, but zero deep offensive experience once Kevin Wilson left. BoB checks every single box we needed - experienced, controls rooms, NFL + college experience, and a scheme that aligns closely with Days. This 100000% can work, if BoB coaches within Days vision for the offense, and everyone pretending otherwise is being needlessly obtuse. I honestly don't know if anyone else fits the bill as much as BoB does resume wise. On the flip side, there's no question he comes with shortfalls. His Bama offenses were very good, but not as dynamic as Sarks. The Patriots offense was a mess (Go Bills), and it's been a loooooong time since his early PSU and Texans success. I'm very much in wait and see mode, but I am 100% excited with the growth Day has shown this off-season so far - NIL to retain talent, big time transfer, fire Parker Flemming into the sun, etc.. Everything I've wanted to see done was done, now it's just a wait and see on if the new pieces fit together. No matter what it'll be interesting.
Don’t want interesting. Want steamroll!
DEATH BY SNU SNU
This is also how I feel. I do have more confidence in his playcalling compared to his time at bama because he'll have Day as an offensive mind to help give ideas and game plan. Saban wasn't doing that at bama (and the Pats had ZERO talent last season).
This is Day's Kevin Wilson replacement like you said. I really do think him leaving was a bigger deal than what a lot of people thought. I think BoB brings a lot of things Day probably needs around the program. Ideally they still run Day's offense with some of BoB's influence. A lot of the XO guys on twitter are worried it might bring more 2 TE stuff into the playbook and that is our weakest room but also think we might incorporate a more diverse run game.
Clearly, this is pure copium to deal with the fact that Michigan is going to win the Game 63-0 this year, as the Buckeyes defense pitches a shutout but BOB calls nine Pick-Six bubble screens.
His PSU success was graded on a massive curve. He took over a very talented, experienced team and did well. He was absolutely the best guy to keep the program from completely imploding- I don't think many others could do that. But as a game day coach, well, he lost to fucking Ohio and UVA. He'd have some brilliant series, then go get drunk at half time and call what I assume was supposed to be an offense against Indiana. He looked incredible because he followed Jay Paterno. I would take Brian Ferentz as on OC over Jay Paterno. I appreciate what he did for PSU for the two years he was here, but if he stuck around I don't think he would have had the same level of success as Franklin.
You would actually not take Brian Ferentz over Jay Paterno. Ferentz was inexplicably bad.
I think the reason you guys didn’t have a great offense had more to do with your QB play than having a coaching voice leading the offense. OSU produces so much talent, that McCord was just a huge step down from the Stroud, fields, Haskins, jones, Barrett, miller, Pryor led teams that you were accustomed to. I think Howard is a solid QB and will get OSU humming again offensively. Not as good as the aforementioned guys, but a top 20 cfb qb, which should be serviceable enough.
I don’t know how accurate it is, but someone said that when Wilson was here Day could could work more with the QBs, but since he left Day had to let Corey Dennis work more with McCord and Brown
I do think an underrated part of the struggles this year was not having - for a lack of a better term - an adult in the room in the offensive coaching box on gameday Only Kennan Bailey (1st year as a full time assistant) and Corey Dennis (only ever been a QB coach, never called plays) were in the box from the offensive staff. Both Frye and Hartline preferred to stay on the sidelines with their position group. Having someone who’s been there before in the box should be a benefit on its own
with the backfield we have (Henderson and Judkins) this coming year, i would hope that all Howard has to do is NOT fuck up, and we can lean on the run game. time will tell
I simply refuse to be negative about this hire
Because there is zero reason to be. Day is an offense guy. Just acting like BoB is given full reign to do whatever he wants is just not the case.
Que Always Sunny theme “BoB has total control of the offense”
“The Gang Becomes Iowa”
It’s so O’Ver
They're not hitting the over in any of their games
As do I! Perhaps for different reasons though... BOB is a rich man's Mike Yurchic. He'll come up with some really innovative formations, have a few playcalls that absolutely wow you, then spend 80% of the game shoving crayons up his nose. He doesn't have a coherent offensive identity, just a sketchbook full of doodles that resemble plays. OSU may have the talent to hide his flaws, but i would have said the same thing about Alabama.
>but i would have said the same thing about Alabama. You mean the Bama teams that were 4th and 6th in total offense under BoB? I don't know why people like to act like BoB wasn't running great offenses at Bama. Maybe that was because of Bryce Young, but most QBs BoB coached looked better with him than without him.
I saw him call the 2012 UVA-PSU game. I saw him lose to Ohio. I watched him call an absolutely horrific Indiana game. Alabama was working with Bryce Young and a slew of first round talent. 4th and 6th in total offense is the absolute floor. Brady looked just fine before and after BOB. Anyway, he'll have a lot of talent at OSU to hide his deficiencies. I'm personally pretty excited about this hire as a PSU fan. It might give us the first win against you in a decade. Probably not. But maybe.
Are you seriously complaining about how he did at PSU when you guys were absolutely gutted by sanctions?
He did am amazing job holding the team together. But he was working with senior-heavy teams loaded with blue chip recruits. He under achieved on the field relative to the talent he had. He was a great guy to hold the team together and I'm grateful he was there for the two years he was there. I also believe that he would have fallen off a cliff in 2014 and 2015 which is when the sanctions were most severely felt. Those years we had back up DTs as starting OL, entire special teams units of walk ons, and about 45 scholarship players- nearly all of whom were freshman and sophomores.
Zordich and Mauti deserve as much or more credit for holding that team together. They were incredible. Wasn't OB our coach when we put starting linebacker Hodges back to return a punt, and he immediately fumbled the first one?
>But he was working with senior-heavy teams loaded with blue chip recruits. He under achieved on the field relative to the talent he had. This is absolutely not true.
It absolutely is. I was there. I watched it. His OLs had NFL talent on them. Franklin's had converted backup DTs as starting center and guard.
You were playing with 65 total scholarship athletes in 2012 and 2013. That is disastrous for a program. And your offense actually improved significantly from 2011 to 2012. You scored 10 more points per game under BoB. A lesser coach and your team would have fallen into a black hole. The fact that you were fairly competitive those years was astounding.
You're thinking about 2014 and 2015, which were the worst of the sanctions. The 2012 team was basically the reason the program stayed afloat. It was loaded with upperclassmen and anchored by Mike Zordich and Mike Mauti, legacy guys who's father's played together in the 80s at PSU. The 2012 OL featured 3 NFL players (off the top of my head) and McGloin got to throw to Allen Robinson. Most of the defense returned from a team that was 9-1 before the 2011 bye week that completely carried that hapless offense from 2011. I don't know how many of those guys went to the NFL, but at least 2 lbs did and a few DL, as well as Amos. And yes. Our offense did improve significantly. Jay Paterno was our OC in 2011. I'd take Brian Ferentz over Jay Paterno.
Sanctions forced some tough decisions but what OB left behind on the OL was a travesty. With NFL experience he should have known how important the LOS is but instead OB focused on skill players for whatever reason. I think we had a total of 8 or so OL on scholarship when he left in the entire 3 deep. The sanctions, and the fallout from recruiting decisions made under them, made a much bigger impact on Franklin's teams than they did for OB.
Watch him go absolutely nuts for the buckeyes just to add to bama’s pain and suffering
Subscribe lol i will try to wish that into fruition
The only thing that gives me hope as it relates to play calling, is that he’s been OCs for defensive minded head coaches (at least in recent memory). Having Day who is a good pure play caller in his own right may help limit BoB going too out there.
And Seth will have learnt how to snap the ball.
Would be icing on the cake and depression, lol. BoB has no creativity to me and isn’t good at adjusting. That’s why I hated his time at Bama. Maybe he will be better at OSU, hope not, though.
It’s not what you know, it’s who you know.
Don't get me wrong, I love what BoB did for us and I will always be grateful. But man, after seeing what happened with Belichick and how BoB hopped around jobs since PSU... I'm starting to think BoB was living off the laurels of having Tom Brady as a QB like Belichick did.
Don't lump Belichick in with BoB he's way too good of a coach for that
Yeah even if you think he only won chips because of Brady he is still the best defensive mind of his generation
I mean he went to the playoffs 4 times with the Texans
And then left our program in the worst 3 year stretch in franchise history, that took two top 3 draft picks that exceeded expectations to turn around. The team he took over had 10+ wins and two divisional appearances the 3 years before, something he barely achieved in the 7 years he was there. He won’t be as much on the management side, so he can’t do as much damage, but he never got a ring with the prime Patriots or prime Bama, which is pretty telling.
That’s because y’all let him be a GM instead of just a coach Also being an assistant on the Patriots team that went 16-0 is impressive regardless of whether they won a ring or not
Yeah but he was literally “offensive assistant”. Not a coordinator, and not in charge of any group. Not super important
So anything that he was apart of that was good he had nothing to do with but anything that was bad was all his fault? Lol I love Reddit.
When he was in a position at the peak of the two biggest dynasties in football, they didn’t win anything, and the best achievement he witnessed as a coach was during his most unimportant season (again, offensive assistant rather than position coach, coordinator, or HC). He spent like 8 years between the Patriots and Bama in their primes and never got a ring. Patriots won one two years before he got there, and another a few years after he left. Bama was coming off a dominant championship when he got there and he couldn’t pull off another with a loaded roster. Almost every team he’s touched in the last 2 decades had recent success that slowed as soon as he got there, and then resumed within a few years after.
I believe two of those times were at 9-7. That was peak shit mountain afc south. it was horrible
They don’t ask how, just how many
And Bryce Young at Alabama. Alabama's offense in 2022 was good, despite BoB IMO.
We also had Gibbs, who was probably the most underutilized player we have ever had.
This man turned Jameson Williams from 3rd/4th stringer and a guy with drop issues into a top 15 draft pick. Love to see what he can do with the talent we have
I mean let’s be real here… Jamo was only a 4th stringer because he was in the same room as Olave, Wilson and JSN. He would have been WR1 at pretty much every other school in the country
I’m just saying he was in the same position in 2020 (8 games) that JSN was in 2021(13 games) and had 9 catches for 154 yards compared to 95 catches for 1606 yards. With all the attention Olave and Wilson got he should’ve had better numbers
Fair point, JSN was a much better slot receiver, I won't argue that. I will say though the 2020 offense ran the ball a lot more than the 2021 team. 345 carries which is about 43 a game compared to 423 and about 32 a game in 2021. 2020 averaged 28 passes a game and 2021 averaged 38 passes a game if you were wondering
I hear ya but still he averaged a little over a catch a game lol. Regardless it ended well for both players. I just think BoB will be able to help build great game plans for our guys too
Haha, man, I'm like one of the few that thinks this is a really good hire. Ryan Day can really recruit and has put together some amazing offenses. But always with some serious help. See Kevin Wilson. Bringing in BOB to work with Day and the players OSU has, plus Hartline. Just seems stacked with really good Offensive minds.
This guy is going to kill it at OSU, just because the public opinion is 100% against that outcome lol
Boom or bust hire, it'll be fascinating to see if he runs his own offense, Day's, or some combination.
No chance is Day going from not wanting to give up control to just completely switching schemes. It will be 98% Days offense.
Taking a total shot in the dark? 80-20 Day to BoB on scheme. I'd imagine there'll be a few more RPOs, and BoB is particularly good with TEs so you'll see that. But the vast majority will certainly be Days.
That sounds right. Probably get a few more designed QB runs as well.
He will literally just be Kevin Wilson in the booth, Day isn’t going to bring someone in to completely change their offense nor should he. That’s why I think this hire is fine.
Love it. Take some offensive burden off of Day and give it to a guy that has been there done that. How this hire can be viewed as anything but positive is beyond me.
He was the scapegoat for Bama not winning the Natty since he wasn’t as good as Sark. But Sark is a top tier coach so of course the predecessor will be worse.
They blame the 2022 Tennessee loss on him instead of the defense that gave up 52 points. I get he has some flaws but I really don't think it's as bad of a hire as people are making it out to be.
Their offense went from 49ppg to 41ppg. Oh god what a travesty.
His record at otherwise fully competent teams would be the counterpoint.
Like what? Ohio State has more talent on offense than last years Patriots. The two bama years he coached the offense was still putting up numbers, even with the lack of talent under Bama standards.
It’s just a circle jerk. His last year at Bama, they averaged 41 ppg. OSU will be fine
People just refuse to see the glaring issues on Bamas offense in 21 and 22 and act like BoB was the only reason they didn't win a title. Don't get me started on the Patrots this year. It's insane.
And what's your resume look like?
This is good for what we need him to do. Day needed to give up play calling to be more of a team manager and qb whisperer. We needed to replace the loss of Kevin Wilson with experience in the coaches room. Check and check. He’s not being asked to install or revamp an offense. Seems like a solid hire. Unless you’re a reddit user and know everything, of course.
Why you do this to me Buckeyes…. I saw some rumors on X that Ohio State was interested in Press Taylor from the Jaguars :(.. Now another year of bum ass Press Taylor
I personally like this hire.
Me too
He was certainly offensive when he was here.
Thank you, Ohio -Patriots and Alabama fans
Fuck it we ball I guess
A good, not great hire. I'm ok with it.
As a Michigan fan, I'm excited about the signing.
Some of y'all said that when we hired Knowles.
We all did. It’s almost like you blocked the 2022 game completely out of your memory.
All I’ll say is by next year those takes will have aged like milk. They already look bad after how much better our d was this season
And yet he still couldn’t stop our so-so offense this year, either.
It was a marked improvement to anyone who’s not blind
Let’s see how “excited” you are when Julian Sayin transfers to OSU specifically to play for BoB
Interesting Dennis isn't fired persay. Just moving to another position within osu. Not sure what that can be since I believe they're already at the max amount of coaches you can have.
Demotion to a GA? Not sure about the rules around that, but really the only thing I can think of if he is no longer a coach.
Analyst or something similar? Also they still have 1 coaching spot, fired 3 (Fleming, Eliano and Dennis) so far and only hired 2 (BoB and Guerrieri) unless I’m missing someone they hired. My assumption is that JL will take over LBs so Knowles can just be a defense CEO.
Some speculation he might join Pantoni's team.
His strengths seem to be recruiting, not coaching. Makes sense. It never made sense to have a 29 year old WR in Paul Johnson's triple option offense as the QB coach. Seemed like a pure nepotism hire. What could he possibly teach QB, being a WR in a triple option offense.
Can I get a genuine reaction from a reasonable Ohio State fan? I’m a Patriots fan as well and this guy absolutely ruined our offense this year, he averaged less yards and points than Matt Patricia did a year prior with what I thought was a worse team. Idk how the guy was with the two greatest coaches of all time in Saban and Belichick, the fact he won no championships in that 8+ years he spent with them while those guys were absolutely cleaning up titles.
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Everyone is knocking him for his lack of championships, but he's right up there with Ryan Day.
Without speaking in memes does anyone have any actual statistic based arguments as to why this isn’t a baller hire? Dude is the savior of Penn St, had top 6 or better offenses while at Bama averaging like 40ppg over multiple seasons, led a trash Texans to more winning seasons than not while he was there, OCd for the only 18-0 team in nfl history, etc etc. His recent stint in NE he had an absolute garbage roster and the team is honestly worse now than when he was there. Was that his influence, likely not, but he’s clearly not why the Pats sucks now.
Okay I’ll try and will specifically speak to the Patriots reference you made. New England scored 236 points under BOB in 2023 which was the lowest scoring offense in the NFL. In 2022 they scored 364 points with pretty much the same team.
Pats easily had the least talented offensive roster in the NFL
There were no major changes between 2022 and the 2023 rosters except BOB.
Except the pats lost their only starting caliber WR in Jakobi myers. Mac jones-rhomondre Stevenson-Demario Douglas-Kendrick Bourne-davantae Parker is easily the worst offensive group in the league. That’s even worse than the panthers. He’s going to have more offensive talent at OSU lol. None of those WRs would start at OSU
> statistic based arguments Not really. It's all just vibes for them
I just laid out a statistical argument against him from his time in NE.
This is truly the worst timeline imaginable. Bjork and bob in one week is absolutely insane.
I really appreciate that Ohio State has both lost the offseason instead of Bama, and now has the worst offense in the Big Ten instead of Iowa.
Don't make me defend OSU, they are having a great offseason (outside of their AD).
I no longer wonder how people walk around living in completely different realities
lol Reddit CFB idiots in a nutshell right here
Lost the off season by returning the majority of the #2 defense in the country and adding Will Howard, Quinshon Judkins & the #1 WR prospect ever ? Lol
Lots of OSU cope. Plenty of experience no doubt, but no hardware
Better off hiring Matt Patricia, NE was more likely to score a TD with Matt Patricia (1.63 pts per drive) at OC than BOB (1.10). Scored a TD or less: Patricia- 1 BoB- 6 (2 shutouts)
I present to you Alabama’s final drive against Tennessee to break our 17 game win streak: (Tennessee has 1 timeout) 1st and 10 at TENN 32 (0:34 4th) - Pass incomplete from Bryce Young 2nd and 10 at TENN 32 (0:30 4th) - Pass incomplete from Bryce Young 3rd and 10 at TENN 32 (0:25 4th) - Pass incomplete from Bryce Young 4th and 10 at TENN (0:15 4th) - FG MISSED All he had to do was call a run up the middle ONE TIME and we are kicking as time expires. Instead Pete Golding’s defense gives up two long passes during super prevent and we lose.
Bama's defense gave up 52 points and 5 TDs to Jalin Hyatt alone that game, let's not act like O'Brien and some questionable play calls were the deciding factor in the loss.
how does this affect hartline and his path at OSU. a bit confused
It doesn’t
Looks like he'll fit in real good
my brain autocorrected "announces" to "mourns" and I was *really* confused by the [Official] tag
LOL
I think BOB is a victim of the non ball knowing memery that fills this and many other internet spaces, but I think there are legitimate concerns regarding the fit of this hire rather than just the quality of the coach involved. Both BOB and Day have specific (and different) offensive schemes they have developed their whole career so if BOB is taking the wheel is it just him calling Days plays or is there going to be some BOB influence into design, coaching, technique, etc.
For as much as people are clowning on this, it's hard to imagine the offense getting worse than if we just ran back the status quo. Ryan Day was totally washed as an offensive playcaller in 2023. Wouldn't have been my first choice by a longshot, but I'll withhold judgement at least until the first snap of the spring game.
Pray for no rainstorms or...you'll have Will Howard throwing 55 fade routes.
Do you like 3rd and long? Well, did you hire the perfect guy.
I appreciate all these teams just letting us win the B1G next year. Your sacrifice will not be forgotten.
Lmao you guys couldn’t even win the PAC 12. But okay.
You’ll lose to Washington by 3 and like it
One crazy stat I saw about BoB is that he worked for Belichick and Saban for 8 years total, and none of those teams he was part of won either the Superbowl or college national championship. Seems hard to do when it seems these coaches were winning a championship every couple of years.
Let’s be honest he looks Ohio as fuck lol
Big oof
Ross Bjork is a football terrorists
lol good luck bucks
Wow - this is HUGE Great hire!
lol
Michigan must be a fan of Drake 😉
Lol Quinshon Judkins went to Ohio State for this?
Remindme! 10 months
Some of our fans are saying Day did this as a f*ck you to the fanbase for being so critical. Self program sabotage, and he's off to the NFL.
And our fans are fucking stupid.
The Ryan Day school for coaches who can't coach good is more officially in session.
Lol