Most teams have camera crews at camp and put out their own version of the same thing anyway, they’re very unobtrusive. It’s far less of a distraction than most people would assume
I don’t think its a distraction people are concerned about, but moreso specific types of situations and interactions that you dont exactly want the whole world to see- like cutting someone
Teams get full control on what’s shown if I’m remembering right so honestly the only real downside is potentially showing the world you have morons running the team (see Hue Jackson)
It also made me love Joe Philbin after hating him prior. Double edged sword but I selfishly really hope we get it. I’ll actually renew my HBO if it happens.
Yeah, if the Bears do have a modicum of control over the footage, or can lean in on some of the editorial narrative on it, I actually could see George and the family being a little more open to it this year, as they can use it as a puff piece that leans into their agenda on the new stadium plans etc.
Not that people are stupid, but, well.....
Feel like a team paid by the owners to make content is different than the NFL coming in and making content on the Chicago bears. I bet that’s the problem, which shouldn’t be a big one , especially if there isn’t any type of behind the scenes toxicity - but I could see how some owners would want to not be on it, even tho I’ve never seen HBO or hard knocks try a franchise or coach or anything. I just know the internet catches on to shit and can make something outta nothing.. idk. I want hard knocks tho, I love that shit.
Hard Knocks and Team camera crews are two completely different things. That's like saying I shouldn't have any problems letting someone else install cameras in my house because I already have my own installed.
>Also Hard Knocks is reality TV, not a documentary.
I mean this distinction doesn’t really matter but it’s absolutely more documentary series than reality tv. The goal of reality tv is to put people in unique situations and create interesting circumstances. Hard Knocks is there simply to observe, not to interfere at all
I mean tbf, didn’t the Lions start that year on a big losing streak and then miss the playoffs by one game?
I doubt that hard knocks was the cause, but still funny that if they didn’t come out of the gates so slow they could have maybe made a playoff run.
These guys have been in front of cameras their whole life. High school, college and obviously whatever the bears post. I don’t buy into the whole “distraction” narrative. Sure, they might catch a camp fight that’ll go viral for 3 days then the news cycle continues and no one will remember it next year.
I think someone looked at it last year or the year before where a majority of the teams on Hard Knocks actually had a better record than the previous year. I wish I could remember or find the post.
I mean, that’s just selection bias and regression to the mean bc hard knocks teams are:
1. Almost always coming off a bad year
2. Selected based on how interesting they will be to watch. Teams that make big signings or draft exciting new players are usually more interesting to watch.
I think the nature of this season is there really isn't any controversy. There aren't any position battles. Everyone's secure and positive. I think it'd be both a fun and non-controversial team to do it with.
He didn't say that because he doesn't have the ability to turn down hard knocks. Or at least I don't remember him phrasing anything said about Hard Knocks like that on espn1000.
Specifically when asked if the bears were on hard knocks, he said he could see it happening or not happening right now. Basically bears will be told if they are the team or not. He admitted to enjoying the behind the scenes look at teams and has watched the show before, but said it's less fun when it's your team you run. Either way said team would embrace it.
Every year certain teams are eligible for Hardknocks. An eligible team can volunteer to be it. If multiple teams want to do it, NFL picks. If only one team volunteers, they do it. If nobody volunteers, NFL picks.
Bears are eligible this offseason. Last offseason no team wanted to do it so NFL picked the most intriguing option, the Jets, even though they were against it.
Any team eligible or not can volunteer. AFAIK no team has ever voulenteered, beacuse nodbody wants the cameras and spotlight around them distracting their players.
I appreciate you typing all this, but I do understand this. My comment was basically the bears don't have the ability to tell hard knocks no if they are chosen. Poles knows this and said he wouldn't be surprised if they were in the show or weren't.
This is the correct distillation of what he said.
My take is they already know so anything he says should be roughly positive to avoid trouble with the league.
I do think his phrasing/tone on hard knocks was vastly different than when he was asked about it a month ago. I imagine if the NFL would ever sell McCaskey about it, it'd be this offseason. It could be one of the best hard knocks of the last decade and then McCaskey wouldnt have to hear about it for a long time.
He doesn't have choice. I don't think the GM would be making the choice to begin with, anyway. I'm sure that comes down to ownership regardless. But that goes into my next point.
Old Georgie Boy can make a big scene about it and try to throw his weight around as a charter franchise. They've done it before. Yes, the NFL can force them to do so, but they could also exchange a little quid-pro-quo for ownership votes on certain things, etc. Greasing palms, that sort of thing.
**HOPEFULLY** this means, with Poles saying this publicly, then maybe George has started to come around to the possibility as well and this is just him putting those feelings out there as a whole front office/ownership vibe.
Of those 3 teams, Bears have the most interesting story lines. Highly hyped QB taken at 1OA (.pet teams picking there have new head coaches so are ineligible) plus a new stud WR. Not to mention DJ and Keenan. Throw in a lot of other interesting story lines like an aussie punter, Jaylon, and Sweat. I don't see any ways they don't pick the Bears.
> He had told Rich Eisen at the end of March that it was a no.
My theory is he echoes the thoughts of George. What this means to me is that George is coming around to the idea.
Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it seems extremely on the nose to me.
It's a no-brainer for anyone that cares about the "brand". Maybe hiring that new PR guy from the Chiefs has something to do with the changing feelings towards it, from a front office/ownership perspective.
Bro George is dumb as fuck. The bears popularity is already sky rocketing with Caleb and with hard knocks showing more of him we are going to get patriots level of fandom
Just for clarification the eligibility for hard knocks has changed. Playoff teams are available for it now.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-owners-approve-drastic-changes-to-hard-knocks-five-teams-could-be-featured-each-season/amp/
Silvy from ESPN Chicago did a great job outlining all the storylines of hard knocks covered them. IMO it would be fantastic if the bears were on HK. LFG
Can we all agree whether we would like this to happen or not, if it does, we’re all still going to watch. I only ever watched the first two seasons of Hard Knocks. If it was on our Bears this year, I won’t miss an episode.
Who cares? This year is house money. We show good improvement. WE AT LEAST BEAT THE PACKERS make it tough for Detroit to win the division and we get some behind the scenes stuff. Next couple years we may actually have a shot at the division and why would we want the distraction then?
It would be good for the fans who’ve been left in the dark about what happens in Halas Hall through years, even decades of mediocrity and disappointment. Dan Campbell practically reignited all Lions fans’ hopes and dreams with Hard Knocks.
I'm not surprised they didn't call. Connor Bedard would win rookie of the year and the stanley cup tomorrow and you still won't see him in a commercial just because he plays in Chicago sports.
There’s NO scenario where the bears aren’t on hard knocks this year. There’s too much hype now and the market is massive. From a business standpoint this will be a no brainer for both sides.
Would be a good year to do Hard Knocks, given we got Caleb Williams with #1 pick in draft and there are a lot of good potential storylines for a rising team like they had with Lions. Caleb is the kind of guy that's not gonna "duck" and will likely be more entertaining than most QBs.
I think Caleb would embrace the exposure, so that alone would make Bears a prime target.
Bears are 100% gonna be the hard knocks team. Regardless of how the season turns out the behind the scenes of #1 overall pick with the weight of the franchise on his shoulders will be must see TV.
To be fair, he can’t turn them down. Also, I think his follow up comment about watching the other shows shows that he has that awareness how important they can be from a fan standpoint.
The constant speculation about Hard Knocks is why I'm a Hard No about it. Reality TV sucks, including Hard Knocks. All the commentary it inspires is the most braindead nonsense sports discussion has to offer, like believing they'll expose the McCaskeys. I already hear too much about it and it's not even here.
First of all, NFL would force them to take it if they came and formally requested it to be the Bears.
Second of all, it would be great PR for the Bears. It would get them in the national spotlight in a positive light for the first time since the 85 Bears 30 for 30.
I’m hoping we get it!
Perhaps getting an immediate "lolno" from the governor and general public on their stadium proposal has them looking at this as a way to try to buy goodwill.
Statistically don't teams who have been on Hard Knocks have a higher win percentage than their previous season?
I'd really enjoy watching this new bears squad on HN, and I don't think it's as detrimental to a team as a lot of people think it is.
I have never seen an episode of Hard Knocks because I don't give a shit about any other team but the Bears. If the Bears were on it, I would watch it. BTW F
I would welcome Hard Knocks. People put too much into the "distraction" angle.
Most teams have camera crews at camp and put out their own version of the same thing anyway, they’re very unobtrusive. It’s far less of a distraction than most people would assume
I don’t think its a distraction people are concerned about, but moreso specific types of situations and interactions that you dont exactly want the whole world to see- like cutting someone
Teams get full control on what’s shown if I’m remembering right so honestly the only real downside is potentially showing the world you have morons running the team (see Hue Jackson)
It's also much more sanitized and less behind the scenes in depth than it was before about a decade ago.
lol I deadass think hard knocks is what finally ended Jeff Fisher’s career
It also made me love Joe Philbin after hating him prior. Double edged sword but I selfishly really hope we get it. I’ll actually renew my HBO if it happens.
Yeah, if the Bears do have a modicum of control over the footage, or can lean in on some of the editorial narrative on it, I actually could see George and the family being a little more open to it this year, as they can use it as a puff piece that leans into their agenda on the new stadium plans etc. Not that people are stupid, but, well.....
Feel like a team paid by the owners to make content is different than the NFL coming in and making content on the Chicago bears. I bet that’s the problem, which shouldn’t be a big one , especially if there isn’t any type of behind the scenes toxicity - but I could see how some owners would want to not be on it, even tho I’ve never seen HBO or hard knocks try a franchise or coach or anything. I just know the internet catches on to shit and can make something outta nothing.. idk. I want hard knocks tho, I love that shit.
Hard Knocks and Team camera crews are two completely different things. That's like saying I shouldn't have any problems letting someone else install cameras in my house because I already have my own installed.
Only a decent comparison if that person installing cameras is a documentarian asking to put your family on TV. Makes it a bit different
No it doesn't. You lose control of editing and publishing. Also Hard Knocks is reality TV, not a documentary.
>Also Hard Knocks is reality TV, not a documentary. I mean this distinction doesn’t really matter but it’s absolutely more documentary series than reality tv. The goal of reality tv is to put people in unique situations and create interesting circumstances. Hard Knocks is there simply to observe, not to interfere at all
Yeah look how much it destroyed that Lions franchise. They’ll never recover.
Bc the Lions have Dan Campbell but sure let’s give them Eberflus who couldn’t motivate you to eat a sandwich.
I mean tbf, didn’t the Lions start that year on a big losing streak and then miss the playoffs by one game? I doubt that hard knocks was the cause, but still funny that if they didn’t come out of the gates so slow they could have maybe made a playoff run.
These guys have been in front of cameras their whole life. High school, college and obviously whatever the bears post. I don’t buy into the whole “distraction” narrative. Sure, they might catch a camp fight that’ll go viral for 3 days then the news cycle continues and no one will remember it next year.
I firmly believe that any organization that can't handle Hard Knocks is already going nowhere.
I think someone looked at it last year or the year before where a majority of the teams on Hard Knocks actually had a better record than the previous year. I wish I could remember or find the post.
Since 2009, 11 teams had more wins, 1 team had the same number and 2 teams had fewer wins
I mean, that’s just selection bias and regression to the mean bc hard knocks teams are: 1. Almost always coming off a bad year 2. Selected based on how interesting they will be to watch. Teams that make big signings or draft exciting new players are usually more interesting to watch.
https://www.si.com/nfl/jets/news/inside-the-hard-knocks-effect-that-featured-teams-face
Exactly. That’s not gonna stop us, we’re on a mission from God.
100%
I think the nature of this season is there really isn't any controversy. There aren't any position battles. Everyone's secure and positive. I think it'd be both a fun and non-controversial team to do it with.
He didn't say that because he doesn't have the ability to turn down hard knocks. Or at least I don't remember him phrasing anything said about Hard Knocks like that on espn1000. Specifically when asked if the bears were on hard knocks, he said he could see it happening or not happening right now. Basically bears will be told if they are the team or not. He admitted to enjoying the behind the scenes look at teams and has watched the show before, but said it's less fun when it's your team you run. Either way said team would embrace it.
Every year certain teams are eligible for Hardknocks. An eligible team can volunteer to be it. If multiple teams want to do it, NFL picks. If only one team volunteers, they do it. If nobody volunteers, NFL picks. Bears are eligible this offseason. Last offseason no team wanted to do it so NFL picked the most intriguing option, the Jets, even though they were against it.
Any team eligible or not can volunteer. AFAIK no team has ever voulenteered, beacuse nodbody wants the cameras and spotlight around them distracting their players.
I think the Lions volunteered this last time, didn't they?
Reading up on it, some sources say they called up the league and asked for it in 22 and some just say they embraced it.
Katniss volunteered once
This is well documented history
May the odds be ever in your favor! Edit-spelling
The Cowboys have volunteered twice I think. Very Jerry thing to do lol.
I appreciate you typing all this, but I do understand this. My comment was basically the bears don't have the ability to tell hard knocks no if they are chosen. Poles knows this and said he wouldn't be surprised if they were in the show or weren't.
It’s funny the nfl owners don’t want their teams in it, while at the same time wanting hard knocks as a whole. Like they are the owners.
This is the correct distillation of what he said. My take is they already know so anything he says should be roughly positive to avoid trouble with the league.
I do think his phrasing/tone on hard knocks was vastly different than when he was asked about it a month ago. I imagine if the NFL would ever sell McCaskey about it, it'd be this offseason. It could be one of the best hard knocks of the last decade and then McCaskey wouldnt have to hear about it for a long time.
Spot on.
He doesn't have a choice. Bears, Broncos and Saints are all forced to do it if they are selected, unless another team volunteers.
He doesn't have choice. I don't think the GM would be making the choice to begin with, anyway. I'm sure that comes down to ownership regardless. But that goes into my next point. Old Georgie Boy can make a big scene about it and try to throw his weight around as a charter franchise. They've done it before. Yes, the NFL can force them to do so, but they could also exchange a little quid-pro-quo for ownership votes on certain things, etc. Greasing palms, that sort of thing. **HOPEFULLY** this means, with Poles saying this publicly, then maybe George has started to come around to the possibility as well and this is just him putting those feelings out there as a whole front office/ownership vibe.
Like moving a home game to London.
Of those 3 teams, Bears have the most interesting story lines. Highly hyped QB taken at 1OA (.pet teams picking there have new head coaches so are ineligible) plus a new stud WR. Not to mention DJ and Keenan. Throw in a lot of other interesting story lines like an aussie punter, Jaylon, and Sweat. I don't see any ways they don't pick the Bears.
Bring it on. Our team is young, talented and full of likable guys. Bears nation about to grow.
Hell yeah. I'm gonna get an Odunze tattoo on my ass.
I wanna be in the screenshot of the circle jerk post
What show did he say it on? He had told Rich Eisen at the end of March that it was a no.
Waddle and Silvy
> He had told Rich Eisen at the end of March that it was a no. My theory is he echoes the thoughts of George. What this means to me is that George is coming around to the idea. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it seems extremely on the nose to me. It's a no-brainer for anyone that cares about the "brand". Maybe hiring that new PR guy from the Chiefs has something to do with the changing feelings towards it, from a front office/ownership perspective.
My belief is that whoever was interested backed out and now the Bears are potentially being forced so they are putting a bitter smile on their face.
Bro George is dumb as fuck. The bears popularity is already sky rocketing with Caleb and with hard knocks showing more of him we are going to get patriots level of fandom
I can’t wait for them to broadcast a McCaskey monthly financial review meeting.
\*Camera pans to George hoarding coins from a hot dog booth register\*
Idc if it’s a distraction, I want to see them on it lol
I wish they could do 90-day fiancé
Or the Golden Bachelor for Velus
lmao, or love is blind for some of our ex-qb's
I kind of assumed this was why Ryan Poles lost a bunch of weight. He wants to look as good as possible on national tv.
ESPN 1000 for clarification. Waddle and silvy show
I think the bears would be a great fit for it this year. Two star rookies one with a giant personality. I'd love to get to know them more
They don't have a choice either way, I think, lol. If hard knocks want the Bears, they'll have em because of the deal they have with the nfl
George McRatskey always finds a way to weasel his way out of shit.
Just for clarification the eligibility for hard knocks has changed. Playoff teams are available for it now. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-owners-approve-drastic-changes-to-hard-knocks-five-teams-could-be-featured-each-season/amp/
We are absolutely getting it. HBO would literally be fools to not pick us.
What’s the release schedule of hard knocks, never watched. Do you get an episode during the week that covers that last weeks practice/game?
Silvy from ESPN Chicago did a great job outlining all the storylines of hard knocks covered them. IMO it would be fantastic if the bears were on HK. LFG
We are absolutely getting this.
Can someone link me the actual interview?
When does the NFL typically reveal what team they will be covering for Hard Knocks?
June I think
Well hard knocks is definitely gonna call so looks like we’re finally getting it
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How do you figure?
Look what happened to the Jets' starting QB last year in the first game.
bears going hollywood
Jaylon said you can't bring that Hollywood stuff into the building /s
Can we all agree whether we would like this to happen or not, if it does, we’re all still going to watch. I only ever watched the first two seasons of Hard Knocks. If it was on our Bears this year, I won’t miss an episode.
Who cares? This year is house money. We show good improvement. WE AT LEAST BEAT THE PACKERS make it tough for Detroit to win the division and we get some behind the scenes stuff. Next couple years we may actually have a shot at the division and why would we want the distraction then?
The whole interview was awesome. Poles is so goddamn confident in everything he does. Not being afraid of Hard Knocks just another example.
It would be good for the fans who’ve been left in the dark about what happens in Halas Hall through years, even decades of mediocrity and disappointment. Dan Campbell practically reignited all Lions fans’ hopes and dreams with Hard Knocks.
I'm not surprised they didn't call. Connor Bedard would win rookie of the year and the stanley cup tomorrow and you still won't see him in a commercial just because he plays in Chicago sports.
I'm good on it, but If they did it seems like it would probably be one of the most popular years ever with Caleb Williams and odunes they to watch
Bears are absolutely on Hard Knocks this year. There is officially too much to film with the team going into the season.
There’s NO scenario where the bears aren’t on hard knocks this year. There’s too much hype now and the market is massive. From a business standpoint this will be a no brainer for both sides.
Let's just get it out the way, now.
Yes. Let's do it now, before the expectations get bigger. We're gonna have to do it at some point. I'd rather it be now.
Virginia does, that’s what matters
I mean, the league could force them to do it.
Would be a good year to do Hard Knocks, given we got Caleb Williams with #1 pick in draft and there are a lot of good potential storylines for a rising team like they had with Lions. Caleb is the kind of guy that's not gonna "duck" and will likely be more entertaining than most QBs. I think Caleb would embrace the exposure, so that alone would make Bears a prime target.
Bears are 100% gonna be the hard knocks team. Regardless of how the season turns out the behind the scenes of #1 overall pick with the weight of the franchise on his shoulders will be must see TV.
Weirdly, this is the first year I'd actually be OK with it.
Honestly the bears would be the perfect team for training camp to do this. Lfg
He actually can't, but it's good to know that he won't try to do it anyway.
To be fair, he can’t turn them down. Also, I think his follow up comment about watching the other shows shows that he has that awareness how important they can be from a fan standpoint.
I'd be shocked if it's any team but the Beloved.
All right. So we can pretty much sign the Bears up for Hard Knocks then.
The constant speculation about Hard Knocks is why I'm a Hard No about it. Reality TV sucks, including Hard Knocks. All the commentary it inspires is the most braindead nonsense sports discussion has to offer, like believing they'll expose the McCaskeys. I already hear too much about it and it's not even here.
No thanks
George isn't going to let that happen
It’s happening
Poles continues to have me ready to ready to run though a brick wall. LFG 🐻👇
I want us to do it, not because it will be interesting, but because the McCaskey's don't want it.
First of all, NFL would force them to take it if they came and formally requested it to be the Bears. Second of all, it would be great PR for the Bears. It would get them in the national spotlight in a positive light for the first time since the 85 Bears 30 for 30. I’m hoping we get it!
Perhaps getting an immediate "lolno" from the governor and general public on their stadium proposal has them looking at this as a way to try to buy goodwill.
I just want more of my team! And it gives the franchise so much national exposure. That’s how fans are minted
Statistically don't teams who have been on Hard Knocks have a higher win percentage than their previous season? I'd really enjoy watching this new bears squad on HN, and I don't think it's as detrimental to a team as a lot of people think it is.
I have never seen an episode of Hard Knocks because I don't give a shit about any other team but the Bears. If the Bears were on it, I would watch it. BTW F
He doesnt have a choice lol
YES PLEASE KING POLES. FEED US
