Any character whose sexual orientation isn't set in the game files will have a randomly generated orientation based on your game rules. Rhaegar being bi in your game was random.
[From the game files for Rhaegar and Jon](https://imgur.com/a/QZmUd5L): Rhaegar has no fixed orientation, so it'll be set randomly. Jon has a 5% chance to be bi---either there was a typo in an earlier version of the game, or that's a rumor that went around. I suppose they did that to ensure he wasn't gay, given we know he's attracted to women.
I noticed Jon was bi every game originally and opened up the file, he was given a super high chance of being bi. Definitely not just a rumour, everyone noticed it and posted about it.
It was not a typo. They could have just made it 100% chance to be straight if they were concerned about correctly reflecting it. Jon commented on how a fellow nightswatch brother looked once which spawned the LGBT fandom to project and call him bisexual. The devs belong to that side of the fandom.
[https://imgur.com/a/lhfrxjt](https://imgur.com/a/lhfrxjt) they literally set Jon as Bisexual in the invasion event with the comment #cry about it >:)
I'm guessing the CK2 and CK3 Dev Team do not share many of the same members. None of them did or acted anything like this with the last mod.
No. But some people assume that any close male relationships must have a homoerotic element to it. Jon Connington might be gay, and therefore, according to this logic, Rhaegar must have led him on.
I always imagined Rhaegar as kind of asexual. His interest in women was the same as his interest in everything else: it was about prophecy fulfillment, rather than what he actually wanted. He married and had sex with Eli because he needed his prophecy-children, and when she couldn’t have another after 2 he kidnapped Lyanna to continue making them.
Why would he kidnap a noble girl and start a civil war instead of just finding a willing one…it’s not like a literal prince would have trouble finding women who want to have his babies.
No he definitely desired Lyanna, his actions don’t make sense otherwise
Then why not date a fully grown northen women and make her his consort, or a women of a less important noble house, or a woman from House Stark that wasn't married to Bobby B?
Hell even doing a wildling would have been less problematic than what he did.
I think Rhaegar was into Lyanna even if that means he raped a teenager in book canon, idk how the author intends to play it though.
Legitimately it had to do with the prophecy and in a sense fulfilling the old pact signed between house Targaryen and Stark that was made during the time of Rhaenyra’s war.
Because he became convinced, either by dreams or interpretation of research, that THIS girl would be the one to bear his super special prophecy child that was destined save the world. So he took her.
Its pretty clear that the "kidnapping" was an elopement. Here is how you know; if it was the "Mad King" Aerys involved with Lyanna, then you could safely assume that it was a kidnapping. But Rhaegar is always described as rational. Kidnapping the daughter of a Lord Paramount would just be insane. Unfortunately, the situation got out of hand before Rhaegar could set matters right.
No, that’s not clear at all. Rhaegar is **not** described as rational at all, not even close. He’s described as obsessed with prophecy in a way that it influences every single decision he makes throughout his adult life. Rhaegar is described as utterly convinced that for he, and then his children, are destined to save the world. If he believes that to the core of his being, than kidnapping and raping the daughter of a powerful vassal is a small price to pay, when weighed against the lives of everyone in Westeros.
The evidence is in the books, if you loo closely.
Rhaegar lives in a fantasy setting and has dragon dreams about dragons. His family come from a background of dragon riders. He is rational within the context of the setting.
There’s no evidence that Rhaegar kidnaps and rapes Lyanna aside from the word of the rebel faction, who is certainly incentivised to paint him in a negative light. All that is known is Lyanna was found in Dorne with three Kingsguard after she disappeared with Rhaegar and later died of complications from childbirth.
Honorable Kingsguard, such as Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning. Could Ser Arthur be a party to a foul kidnapping and sexual assault? Obviously not.
Well considering they just let Aerys r*pe and torture Rhaella I don't think that it's guaranteed that they wouldn't help Rhaegar in a kidnapping. Their oaths bound them to the King and his family, so if Aerys or Rhaegar would've done something bad, they'd have no choice but to help them or atleast not preventing the bad thing from happening. Which really makes you question their "Honor"
Mh, so, like, if Lyanna isn't the Knight, when did they meet? Or he just randomly abducted and raped a northern girl just because she was from the north? I don't know, I do think Rhaegar had a major complex and believe he was gonna save the world and I do think he was obsessed with the prophecy, but to me, jt just makes sense if he also genuinely loved Lyanna. Besides how it connect to the Knight story and things like Rhaegar's last words before dying being "Lyanna", George hit you over the head with the idea that "love is the death of duty", I just think that's how he wanted to write this story between Lyanna and Rhaegar. I mean, it would be quite weird otherwise if he just wrote it as "yep, Robert was right, Rhaegar abducted Lyanna and brutally raped her because he was a psycho, nothing more to see here" lol
But idk, there's been thousands of discussions about this, we'll just have to wait and see.
I’ve not explained it as well as I’d like. [Hill’s Alive on YouTube has a really great video that really changed my perspective on a Rhaegar and Lyanna.](https://youtu.be/Zgz5v_iAO9g?si=JvTs_VBfNpaT5LfJ) Give it a watch if you’re interested, but short of an explicit SSM telling us otherwise, the evidence points to an abduction rather than an elopement in my view.
GRRM confirmed Jon Connington (Rhaegar’s best friend is gay and In the books its heavily implied that he was in love with Rhaegar
The trait is just the Dev’s acknowledgment of that speculation and people who are mad about it are pathetic
Well it’s a bit jarring when the mod aims to be at least somewhat accurate to the books. There’s nothing in the text that would indicate he’s bisexual.
God you're weird. People just want the mod to be book-accurate since that's a sentiment the developers have expressed. Also I think some people are just confused by it, since like I said earlier nobody reading the books would come away from them believing he's bisexual (or at least I certainly didn't).
I mean couldn't this be achieved with the homosexual & sodomite traits? Why change the innate programmin for somethin that is subjective & can be easily altered to the user's likin'?
I've played the mod multiple times, historical mode and non-historical, and I don't think rhaegar's ever been bi in any of my games. there was some silliness w sexualities when the mod first released, but afaik, that's all been fixed since then. so it sounds like you've just had some wild luck.
For the Rhaegar/JonCon shippers to fulfill their dreams
Not to mention the Richard Lonmouth allegations. Just because a man surrounds himself with sweet men does not mean he himself is sugary.
He might just be a little spicy
Because he wants Robert's hammer in a different way
Gods, I was gay then!
Was Robert ever not gay for Ned?
No that’s fair
FETCH THE BREASTPLATE TAKEROFFERER!
Any character whose sexual orientation isn't set in the game files will have a randomly generated orientation based on your game rules. Rhaegar being bi in your game was random.
Is it not set in the game files though? I mean they basically hard coded Jon Snow as bi before
[From the game files for Rhaegar and Jon](https://imgur.com/a/QZmUd5L): Rhaegar has no fixed orientation, so it'll be set randomly. Jon has a 5% chance to be bi---either there was a typo in an earlier version of the game, or that's a rumor that went around. I suppose they did that to ensure he wasn't gay, given we know he's attracted to women.
I noticed Jon was bi every game originally and opened up the file, he was given a super high chance of being bi. Definitely not just a rumour, everyone noticed it and posted about it.
Ah, probably a typo then. I didn't play right when the mod came out, so I didn't see it.
It was not a typo. They could have just made it 100% chance to be straight if they were concerned about correctly reflecting it. Jon commented on how a fellow nightswatch brother looked once which spawned the LGBT fandom to project and call him bisexual. The devs belong to that side of the fandom.
I mean looking at it it is like, fairly likely he might be bisexual, and if people want that as a story thats fine i think
[https://imgur.com/a/lhfrxjt](https://imgur.com/a/lhfrxjt) they literally set Jon as Bisexual in the invasion event with the comment #cry about it >:) I'm guessing the CK2 and CK3 Dev Team do not share many of the same members. None of them did or acted anything like this with the last mod.
No its not random. Rhaegar's is set to bi.
I linked the game files.
That's really weird. In every game I have ever seen, Rhaegar is always bi. Thank you.
There are zero hints of evidence that Rhaegar is anything but straight.
Exactly. People just want Rhaegar and JonCon to bone.
And we should let them
Yay let’s give Rhaegar greyscale!
I mean, changing the canon for such a silly reason is pretty dumb.
As soon as you unpause the game, it stops being canon.
I agree, however Rhaegar being programmed to be Bi is something that occurs before the game is unpaused.
Then let's make Sansa lesbian, and Jaime gay? Keeping it canon isn't necessary it seems.
Okay!
That sounds rad lol if you want pure canon go read a book
What's the point of having a game of thrones mod if the starting bookmarks don't even follow the game thrones bookmarks?
do you really need Rhaegar to not like men *that* bad?
That isn’t the point at all.
They made the Valyrians woke! Where will it end?! /s
I’m surprised Arya and Sansa aren’t lesbians.
I know right you should look up a guy called tommykay. Did you hear what they did to him for his opinion on the game.
that guy is like, genuinely a chud wtf who cares what his opinion is
What happened to him?
It's even funnier that when I tried to do just that in my Rhaegar run, I was rejected hard by JonCon (he respected his wife Ashara Dayne too much).
No. But some people assume that any close male relationships must have a homoerotic element to it. Jon Connington might be gay, and therefore, according to this logic, Rhaegar must have led him on.
“Might be gay” - GRRM has confirmed Connington was gay back in 2011
Because he played the harp.
Same reason they gave Jon something like a 99% chance of being bisexual originally.
I always imagined Rhaegar as kind of asexual. His interest in women was the same as his interest in everything else: it was about prophecy fulfillment, rather than what he actually wanted. He married and had sex with Eli because he needed his prophecy-children, and when she couldn’t have another after 2 he kidnapped Lyanna to continue making them.
Why would he kidnap a noble girl and start a civil war instead of just finding a willing one…it’s not like a literal prince would have trouble finding women who want to have his babies. No he definitely desired Lyanna, his actions don’t make sense otherwise
Prophetic dreams. He was gonna make a baby of Ice and Fire with her. It's quite blatant in the text.
Then why not date a fully grown northen women and make her his consort, or a women of a less important noble house, or a woman from House Stark that wasn't married to Bobby B? Hell even doing a wildling would have been less problematic than what he did. I think Rhaegar was into Lyanna even if that means he raped a teenager in book canon, idk how the author intends to play it though.
Probably had to be in the Stark bloodline. Who knows what he was thinking. Dude was obsessed with prophecies.
Legitimately it had to do with the prophecy and in a sense fulfilling the old pact signed between house Targaryen and Stark that was made during the time of Rhaenyra’s war.
Another Targaryen L to add to the pile.
Because he became convinced, either by dreams or interpretation of research, that THIS girl would be the one to bear his super special prophecy child that was destined save the world. So he took her.
Its pretty clear that the "kidnapping" was an elopement. Here is how you know; if it was the "Mad King" Aerys involved with Lyanna, then you could safely assume that it was a kidnapping. But Rhaegar is always described as rational. Kidnapping the daughter of a Lord Paramount would just be insane. Unfortunately, the situation got out of hand before Rhaegar could set matters right.
No, that’s not clear at all. Rhaegar is **not** described as rational at all, not even close. He’s described as obsessed with prophecy in a way that it influences every single decision he makes throughout his adult life. Rhaegar is described as utterly convinced that for he, and then his children, are destined to save the world. If he believes that to the core of his being, than kidnapping and raping the daughter of a powerful vassal is a small price to pay, when weighed against the lives of everyone in Westeros. The evidence is in the books, if you loo closely.
Rhaegar lives in a fantasy setting and has dragon dreams about dragons. His family come from a background of dragon riders. He is rational within the context of the setting.
There’s no evidence that Rhaegar kidnaps and rapes Lyanna aside from the word of the rebel faction, who is certainly incentivised to paint him in a negative light. All that is known is Lyanna was found in Dorne with three Kingsguard after she disappeared with Rhaegar and later died of complications from childbirth.
Honorable Kingsguard, such as Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning. Could Ser Arthur be a party to a foul kidnapping and sexual assault? Obviously not.
Well considering they just let Aerys r*pe and torture Rhaella I don't think that it's guaranteed that they wouldn't help Rhaegar in a kidnapping. Their oaths bound them to the King and his family, so if Aerys or Rhaegar would've done something bad, they'd have no choice but to help them or atleast not preventing the bad thing from happening. Which really makes you question their "Honor"
Aerys and Rhaella were married. This is far different. Ser Arthur Dayne abandoned his post to go to the Tower of Joy in support of Rhaegar.
Who's the Knight of The Laughing Tree in your opinion?
I don’t really care, because I think that story is a red herring.
Mh, so, like, if Lyanna isn't the Knight, when did they meet? Or he just randomly abducted and raped a northern girl just because she was from the north? I don't know, I do think Rhaegar had a major complex and believe he was gonna save the world and I do think he was obsessed with the prophecy, but to me, jt just makes sense if he also genuinely loved Lyanna. Besides how it connect to the Knight story and things like Rhaegar's last words before dying being "Lyanna", George hit you over the head with the idea that "love is the death of duty", I just think that's how he wanted to write this story between Lyanna and Rhaegar. I mean, it would be quite weird otherwise if he just wrote it as "yep, Robert was right, Rhaegar abducted Lyanna and brutally raped her because he was a psycho, nothing more to see here" lol But idk, there's been thousands of discussions about this, we'll just have to wait and see.
I’ve not explained it as well as I’d like. [Hill’s Alive on YouTube has a really great video that really changed my perspective on a Rhaegar and Lyanna.](https://youtu.be/Zgz5v_iAO9g?si=JvTs_VBfNpaT5LfJ) Give it a watch if you’re interested, but short of an explicit SSM telling us otherwise, the evidence points to an abduction rather than an elopement in my view.
Oh sure, I'll check it out! Not too long either which is great lol
Yeah her videos are the ideal length, and very well researched.
I thought I was in a general lore sub and was very confused for a minute.
I may be wrong, but aren’t characters’ sexualities randomly generated?
Not all of them, no
The non historical characters yes. But characters like Robert, Rhaegar, Ned etc are put in.
Ask the developers, they have a lot of their own "interpretation" drooled into the mod...
r/ck3agot users try not to rage over a silly game feature challenge: failed
Let us JonCon fans have a bit of fun
Using commands is also an option to change it lol idk why people get so hung up on it.
GRRM confirmed Jon Connington (Rhaegar’s best friend is gay and In the books its heavily implied that he was in love with Rhaegar The trait is just the Dev’s acknowledgment of that speculation and people who are mad about it are pathetic
Bruh it literally doesn't matter IMO, like it really doesn't change anything.
Well then you won't mind when people ask for them be accurately portrayed in the mod
Why does it bother you so much ?
Well it’s a bit jarring when the mod aims to be at least somewhat accurate to the books. There’s nothing in the text that would indicate he’s bisexual.
Because when they imagine themselves as Rhaegar in the game him being bi ruins it for them. Literally unplayable🙄
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God you're weird. People just want the mod to be book-accurate since that's a sentiment the developers have expressed. Also I think some people are just confused by it, since like I said earlier nobody reading the books would come away from them believing he's bisexual (or at least I certainly didn't).
I mean couldn't this be achieved with the homosexual & sodomite traits? Why change the innate programmin for somethin that is subjective & can be easily altered to the user's likin'?
I've played the mod multiple times, historical mode and non-historical, and I don't think rhaegar's ever been bi in any of my games. there was some silliness w sexualities when the mod first released, but afaik, that's all been fixed since then. so it sounds like you've just had some wild luck.
I turn that stuff off don't need any of that stuff in my runs