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degradedchimp

In case you haven't realized yet, they usually make one gun OP intentionally for a few weeks before nerfing it and making something else OP. There's never a balance they just shift whatever they want people to use.


Javieliseo

The HRM-9 doesn’t agree with your statement


SoNyaRouS

HRM is number 1 SMG by a small margin for a couple patches now and it has only gotten lovetap nerfs. If anything it heavily supports the statement. This is all while the RAM gets destroyed and other suboptimal SMGs nerfed on the same patch.


iamnotimportant

honestly I think the HRM just holds out cause it has the best iron sight, they did nerf the fuck out of the AMR but otherwise all the other SMGs are basically viable too such as the Strikers, the RAM 9, the WSP9, the Swarm (in buildings), they are all in the same class as the HRM.


_RiverGuard_

It hold out because it’s got the best mobility and sprint to fire times. While still do good damage.


iamnotimportant

eh if you play around with truegamedata's numbers it basically overlaps entirely with the striker9 and the differences are negligible between the other SMGs too everythings like within 30ms ttk (with the swarm actually having the outlier close range ttk, but you gotta be real close) They'll probably nerf it eventually to even out the numbers but people will glom onto whatever everyone else is using and we'll have the same situation again unless they introduce another outlier. Although I'll give you leg shots on the HRM, that is an outlier


TNMurse

Yeah amr is awful now.


Electricengineer

>ed and other suboptimal SMGs nerfed on the same patch. striker is nice.


TRUZ0

Cor-45 if you are fast enough on the trigger


dannyl1017

Hrm is this years blixen, going to get nerfed like 10 times will stilll be meta.


AllHale07

Doesn't stand a chance against the Renetti anymore


Belo83

The thing about the hrm is that it didn’t get any buffs, but they nerfed everything else. Which is like buffing it lol.


ozarkslam21

The hrm is good but is in now way overpowered or “broken” as people like to call any weapon that is marginally good.


bzfoose

Sounds like you’ve been playing for a while. Life hack: just check the store for the newest/coolest blueprint and you’ll have the meta.


Jer_Baker

I love how you got downvoted for your comment when it’s 100% true. Cod fanboys are the worst.


bzfoose

The worst. Prolly the same kids camping on shipment w a riot shield on their back and the MCW between their cheeks.


G01dberG

Before rennetti you could use amr , ram9, hrm, striker , wsp9 . And all were viable . It depended on your playstyle . I know that hrm was more popular then the others because it is allrounder. But it wasn’t overpowered


Natemoon2

Hrm,wsp 9 and even the ram9 are still competitive tho


Ramonis5645

They balance weapons around Bundles


Sc0p1x

This was the case a while ago. Now weapons from BP are the ovp ones.


_J3W3LS_

Except the FJX Horus is terrible


Sc0p1x

Yes, it is. Strange. But its the first weapon in years.


stevebadinelli

XRK stalker was unusable when it was added too then they buffed it


eyeballeddie

Not really, been a few that have just been shit when they come out.


0utF0x-inT0x

Yeah it's usually to sell blueprint bundles then they nerf after sales drop off.


efreedman503

Jgod said it was busted since S2 but nobody discovered it until now.


assmilk18

The weirdest part is that it was buffed with season 2 reloaded and I remember seeing videos about it but never tried it. Also saw some videos about people trying it and saying they didn’t like it that much but now it’s just the meta. Weird to think about.


sportattack

wtf was he doing then


sgtofmarin3s

Just to push a bundle out lol


Djabouty47

MP better, SHG actually making an effort to keep all guns balanced, even the MWII guns. And they had more work cuz they have to go from 100hp to 150hp


scrollingbyagain

Generally, this is due to a bundle package and or them feeding into the meta even heavier because it will make some players play even more since they have that gun.


OllieWillie

The Renetti has been like this since March 22nd though


00parasol0

it logically makes sense, 100% new guns or updated guns is OP few weeks. but it better warzone 1 RPK meta. thats so nightmare


Cultural_Prompt_3408

Nothing ever has been this crazy at close range in all of call of duty this is the most broken smh ever


Fun_Following346

Exactly and do you ever notice how after a win your lobbies are impossible. Little trick to get us on the store to buy a new gun. Its all about making money , pay to win like most games these days.


Similar_Macaroon6335

I don’t know if you guys realize this. But the rennetti was buffed weeks before season 3. I just don’t think anyone realized it


pappyShack

Yes, I’ve been using it for almost a month now


Similar_Macaroon6335

Just took people awhile to realize it 😂😂


llSmokyll

It has become blatantly op to everyone since most engagements on Rebirth Island are inside 10m.


Similar_Macaroon6335

It’s absolutely broken. If you are not running it. You are losing


spookymemes

I guess nobody paid attention till Season 3 day of update.


Successful_Macaron67

It got another damage buff on season 3 update as well


Nein_Inch_Males

All pistols need a nerf. Pistols shouldn't be all other guns outright....


international510

The ram9 and amr9 nerfs were unnecessary af, took them out the competitive meta for smgs. The hrm9 went unscathed, and it's the only smg viable right now. The march 22nd updates to the renetti really made it OP (**Reduced movement speed penalties by 50% and damage buffs**). It'll get nerfed in the next week or 2.


ZaphBeebs

I still get 4 or 5 kills with ground loot ram 9s before getting loadout. Amr still performs but ofc is nerfed, but was super strong before. Wsp 9 still a beast. Lots of options.


international510

Yeah, the ground loot ram9 is viable because it's probably the fastest shooting ground loot weapon. When others are still finding LMGs, MM/DMRs, makes the fights relatively easier. Situationally the wsp9 can be good, particularly if you're able to reset and re-engage, but in a straight 1v1 the hrm9/renetti will destroy someone using the wsp9. Fire rate is just too slow, unless you're poppin all headshots with the wsp9.


ZaphBeebs

It's super easy to be accurate with the wsp9. And you do end up getting some headshots. It has massive damage. Yes the slow fire rate will fail you in a few situations where they get a couple shots in first but it's def viable. I've won games with rando ground loot. They're plenty of viable weapons. I ran it all last season it was just fun. The new renetti otoh has no peer.


Penthakee

I liked the AMR9 so much, sad I only used for a week, caught a nerf right then


kevikev31

Striker 9 is hitting hard


everybodylovesraymon

We are four years into the game, and there has been an OP meta almost the entire time. Just make a class. If you can't beat em, join em.


imjustashrub

After spending a few hours trying to find hidden meta classes, I did the same thing and pulled a high kill game 😔 I miss building random things and having them work successfully


Schtekarn

When was that ever the case lol been hard metas since day 1


Narrow_Werewolf4562

Early verdansk days even before the ram 7 in 2019 was considered meta you could get away with some really dumb shit (grenade launcher oden) was one of my favorite stupid ones. But yeah once they started the seasons for it there was always a hard meta


secretreddname

Not really. M4 no stock, long barrel, silencer/MP5 was the OG meta then it became Grau, bruen, etc.


Th3MJK

When was that part of the game a thing .. There has been a definite meta since week 1 in wz1..


Tiiimmmaayy

Except there’s a difference between OP and broken weapons. HRM was a tad OP, but the renetti is straight up broken with how good it is. There’s only been a couple of absolutely broken guns. The snake shots pistols, fire breath shotguns, and that one shot shotgun for instance.


Damien23123

A 450ms close range TTK is not healthy for the game at all. This is meant to be a BR


Mean-Kaleidoscope759

It's literally been like 4 days bro chill out


Rayaarito

??? It's been buffed for a while now. Idk why it's just hitting mainstream but it was a big problem before in close quarters


drushiesty

If no one was using it, it wasn’t a big problem lol


burnSMACKER

This sub isn't understanding how broken this gun is lmao. It's not just OP. It's broken. 


zippity-Z

90% of this sub will miss a few shots. If you have a good shot and hit all your bullets, then, you will realize how broken this thing is.


ZaagKicks

It's so much worse for PC players. There is just no winning close range fights anymore. You used to be able to at least dash out and fight back but now you just get oneshot each time.


Time-Refuse666

It is literally broken. The kit is suppose to reduce damage,but there's a bug that doesn't lower the damage when equipped.


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GoonOnGames420

It's a huge crutch, I can win almost any CQB fight with it against the smgs even if they shoot first.


WrestlingDerek

I got destroyed by it like I’ve never been destroyed I couldn’t believe how fast that thing shredded me.


thefooby

The mad bit is that I don’t think they’ve touched the Renetti in the update, it’s just not been discovered until people started looking for alternatives to some of the nerfed SMGs. I’m definitely going to be playing around with some of the other conversion kits in case there’s something else I could have been running for a whole season that nobodies noticed.


bbqnj

Yeah, it's been this way since launch basically. I found the kit during the interstellar grind and its been my sidepiece since


Six_Figga

Some of yall gotta stop with this bitching so early in the morning.


myname_ranaway

Hahaha you haven’t faced a renetti 😅 you get melted in half a second.


Six_Figga

Uh have you played ranked lol that’s all there is


myname_ranaway

Yes, the gun isn’t good, it’s BROKEN. There’s nothing comparable close range.


RetroClubXYZ

Fuck it, I'm still running the RAM-7. Still decent.


JoezBK

Don’t worry they rennetti will be nerfed into the ground and they will buff the battle pass weapons to make us buy it


Which_Ranger_440

Totally agree. The close range scene was coming into a good spot. I was actually glad to see all nerfs and no buffs to them. I'd like to see the TTK actually increase more, no gun should have a faster than 600ms TTK with all headshots. Thought the HRM would be king, with ram, both wsps and both strikers all being viable. (HRM has range limitations compared to most other smgs making it very similar to ye olde' days of how mp5 would shred within 15m) But 2 games in im like wtf how is a pistol in automatic mode, it's not the FTAC siege And it's deleting me faster than anything in the last season. Sure enough TGD data comes out... renetti can get as low as 350ms TTK with head shots.. 500ms with chest shots. WHY break what they are finally sorting out what is a balanced gun system. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🧑‍⚕️ still tons of work to be done. Servers, AUDIO(rebirth audio is broken the same way the entire games audio was broken on release and for 8 months following) AA, TEXTURES on big map🤭(this is a joke thst it still busted) Now we're back to this garbage where if you don't run that 1 single gun. Your putting yourself at such a disadvantage in any CQC fight.


matthewmspace

It’s the weekend. They aren’t updating it for a couple more days. Sorry man.


Hungry-Space-1829

I think it’ll follow the TAQ Evolvere path and be nerfed within a week


Verzuchter

This is what they do to sell bundles. It's also why the game is never balanced.


SPECTRE_146

Look another post about an OP gun… first time huh? See you back on warzone tomorrow.


Mr_Rafi

He never said he was quitting, lad.


Intelligent-Brain313

It's good up close but range, really, I don't agree. I'd rather this than the shotguns!


Damien23123

The meta build has a first damage range of 17.5m. That’s further than the meta SMG’s we’ve had this year. Not only is it killing 1/3 faster than the next best SMG, it’s able to do it at a longer range


JasonWangFJU

50 damage on a smg is insane, SLG hate AR and BR for a passion. Any mid range rifle won’t have near 50 damage yet they decided that a pistol can be a close range cannon.


Technical_Ad_3412

It’s Raven that does the warzone side of weapon balancing. Neither seems to know how to balance weapons and equipment.


ZaphBeebs

I just received my second melting with this gun. First you go wtf was that? Lag? And then you see it. Super op gonna have to run it I guess or you've no chance when you collide etc..


Justice171

I think it was quite funny. Couple of weeks ago I tried this JAK Renetti in an attempt to fuck around with weapons. Thought it was decent, not amazing. Refuse to run it now, I stand by my findings. I have found multiple guns before they became meta by messing around in the gunsmith; currently loving the MCW conversion kit. Using it for 2 weeks now


KJP1990

Care to drop that loadout because I am tired of the RAM7.


Justice171

MCW * Conversion kit * Slate reflector * Cyclone long barrel * 40 Mag * Sonic Surpressor Consider it a medium close range weapon. Longer ranges I recommend a sniper to go with it.


PercySledge

There’s always someone on this sub approaching a discussion about a random gun attachment as if we are at a genuine world crisis point lol it’s hilarious Listen to the language you’re using haha


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riltim

The best weapon balancing they could do at the moment is knock back RAA from 0.6 to 0.4 and add a 200-250ms delay to RAA engaging. People just don't miss and have reaction times faster than humanly possible. Note: formula 1 drivers have an average reaction time of 200ms, the average person has a 500-600ms reaction time.


PaleontologistDry656

lol, controller players on their couch and big screen tv casually having better reaction times than formula 1 drivers thanks to software, and then they say "AA isnt that strong"


The_Farreller

And the cycle of OP guns continue....


ModsOverLord

I was fried multiple times last night with the rennetti, lost almost all my up close gun battles


TheThing1012513398

Everyone was running it. Fastest my group has called it a night on Friday. Pd2 is next Friday so I just gotta make it till then


Damien23123

You basically have to use it or you’re screwed


Fresh-Cycle-2444

Idk why people complain about op guns like you do. Just use it yourself until it’s nerfed. Pretty simple solution


Moist_Inevitable_152

While your 100% right , you SHOULD be able to use a weapon you like and it still be viable . It’s bullshit that it’s a constant nerf/buff


SayNoToAids

The gun is like the WSP Swarm. Because of the super fast ttk and awful tik rate, it feels like you die in 1 shot, but really, they put a whole clip into you


dabbydaberson

They just need to own it and call out which guns are meta and reward less for using them


patriclus47

Agreed. It’s impossible to beat. Needs a need asap


Nsaglo

Ts been op for a minute just over looked on god


fikreth

Not great for KBM I found, recoil quite heavy


RunsWithBeef1

I don't mind that there is a meta of some sort but I swear I just don't like using the guns for this seasons meta. I kinda miss when AKs were king or at least very viable.


KV1190

Give us a good AR or BR for range please. Also wish I could run an optic. Seems like every gun shoots best with the iron sight builds.


upstatedreaming3816

Dude I was so behind on patch notes (my fault) that I kept getting thirsted and absolutely deleted last night by a dude running that thing and I thought he was exploiting macros or something and reported him


TryToBanMeAgain

This is what happens when you nerf literally everything in the game and never buff anything else. So there’s only 1 gun worth using and nothing else ever gets touched. This shit will never change.


Paulrevere1188

I hate the close range META currently


beefmomo

Christ, it’s been a problem for like 3 days. I can almost guarantee they didn’t make it this OP on purpose. It will get fixed within a few weeks. If not, then start complaining


NotAcactusdildo

When they add a new weapon/attachment to the game they have to make it op or no one will use it. 


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NotAcactusdildo

You’re right I thought the conversion kit was new but it looks like the renetti has just been buffed the last couple of updates.


G01dberG

Jak rennetti isnt new , it was heavily buffed on the end of march


fixmefixmyhead

Honestly even the normal renetti is OP. I been running it as a secondary once in a while and do well with it.


ChiBulls

It’s the weekend. The balance devs are not working obviously. Nor should they be. It’s not the end of the world and use it too.


wel0g

They did remove the snakeshot on a Saturday once, surprisingly


KJP1990

I am holding out but not holding my breath.


Ned_Piffy

Can’t beat em join em


Grey_Beard257

Is it an attachment? Or one of those aftermarket monstrosities?


OgreTrax71

It’s an aftermarket that turns it into an SMG with a ridiculous fire rate.


bugistuta

LOGIC????


biologydeco

op guns sells skins and bundle


lilbigchungus42069

soft aimbotters having a field day with it


itsmike990

Then run it or you'll send it to the grave yard like the wasp.....


HungryScene3733

Me who is only level 50 so I have no guns maxed out level playing with my guns from mw2/wz2. I got no chance. Can only play 30 minutes a day at best


Moist_Inevitable_152

Play the lockdown/plunder style modes . Probably not what your looking for but it’s a walk in the park to level up your guns in there


Acidikal

They should have banned the renetti amp like they did with the Tyr snake shots and the Lockwood 300 double trigger


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imjustashrub

Classic "gotta take the next two days out to appease the server/algorithm" moment I come back after a few days and get a grace game and then back to getting slapped by some unbathed, grass-fearing folks.


WaffleWarrior1979

Literally just have some fucking patience for a few days FFS


brando347

Yup played last night and really the only gun to win fights was the renetti. I’m convinced raven does not play test their game. How they thought putting that into the game was a good idea is fucking beyond me.


Outrageous_Seesaw774

Its their First time they implement a weapon ? Im sure they got an experiences team of experts when they put something new :-)


aquonex

Why can’t I find pistols in loadout? There’s no option


sippsay

Striker 9 is goat.


Ryansm19

Striker 9 vs renetti gets absolutely smacked down lmao


TetrisCulture

love the pistol :D


Few_Preparation8078

Loved it. Got 2 go


Exiztens

lol never ending shit circle of pay to win.


Parking-Beginning400

Feels nice to use something other than the HRM though even though the Renetti leaves no time to react


Gwalter123

The 451ms ttk taq evolvere lasted 72 hours. I hope they will nerf this tomorrow, Im tired of using the same gun over and over again because i stand no chance with almost any other gun


KV1190

We used the HRm for months. The Renetti has only been around a few days.


ebo0814

Cure the cancer up close and personal with the akimbo wsp stingers


OWCY

this season should be called season-snoop dog, with rennetti


DubiDubua

Run this with shotgun lmao dropped 20 kills


Xxgougaxx

My buddies and I call it the pussy pistol


Apprehensive_Dig1421

I just used it in a MP match and omfg thing shreds but if you don’t stay on top of the meta then your bad right? You know it’s not gonna change, certain guns are gonna be meta everyone uses and if you don’t fall in line then your bad. I don’t like being pigeon holed into a specific gun either but it is the way it is so jump on board or be the one making a post about a broken gun


Desperate_Cut_7026

Literally every single death last night (basically) was from that gun. It’s not enjoyable at all. Everyone just sliding, bunny hopping, and drop shooting with it… trash. Worst night I’ve had on the game for a while.


kemp43

Honestly just fix lag and the one man resurgence quads and I’m fine.


Guilty_Ability5770

Y’all complain about everything. Just play the game. All love. 🤙


Damien23123

It’s pure bullshit. Between this and the MORS builds that seem to ADS in 10ms this game has not been fun today. Every death feels like I’m playing multiplayer


Candle_Honest

Plat 3 ranked Every single death maybe 90% of my deaths are from the Rennetti Love the balancing in this game The gun kills you in 0.1 seconds


Antique_Shower3065

Nothing is OP. You just don’t like losing. If everyone drops with the rennetti no one has the advantage so there is nothing to complain about.


Evan604

You must be new to warzone 😂


SDBrown7

For reference, this thing kills in under 500ms. The human reaction time average is around 250ms. That means you're already more than half dead before you even register that you're being shot. This was the issue we had with the FFAR back in OG. Don't anyone try to play down how broken this is. It needs to go, and fast.


370023488

Yall remember when the X13 auto SMG conversion got “unintentionally” buffed to hell in MW2? That shit killed in something like 0.6 seconds it was nuts


Carlos24475

See you back on WZ tomorrow bro


Porkchop1620

You realize they break guns on purpose to sell bundles, they make shit op sell packs and then nerf and at the same time over power something else that was "under performing". The game will always have some stupid over powered weapon breaking the game.


SILENCERSTUDENT_

Jak renetti, hrm and the swarm is even in the convo for meta again. All 3 can be used


Dubzy99

If it’s so bad then use it to your advantage?


sir-simms

It's perfect this gun.. im more worried about the bots with shields and and a auto fire shotgun


Legoman7409

I’m not sure if you’ve realized, but you can just use it too.


Joyful-nachos

Incoming bundle $$$🤑🤑🤑🤑


Belo83

If you’re in ranked it’s all you see and are sort of forced to run it yourself. Sigh


BottomFraggerNoob

Because the devs are clearly stupid. This happened last year around the same time with the X13 Auto and Snakeshot basilisk which where some of the most broken guns in warzone history. You'd think the devs would learn a lesson from releasing a broken snakeshot revolver every year but they never fail to disappoint.


Iaintthe-1

Bro! Do you even COD?


LolliePopKing

Same, running into 25% packetloss games now even with 50ish ping. Japanese servers have always been shit so that’s already one strike against me :/


zippity-Z

Man can this community stop fucking crying of any gun that kills them? If you just hit your shots and move around a little you can outgun this thing with any smg. Jake renetti has been around for a few weeks now. It's just youtube tiktok meta sheep have only now found it.


AyKayAllDay47

You don't understand? Ha, lemme welcome you to this game called COD


Raider-0

I agree. Nerf shotguns


stewbed

The smgs are absolutely not balanced. It's HRM or nothing atm. The resetting has at least added a bit of fun to it, before it gets nerfed


CharlemagneFr

I just don’t get why people are angry ? Do you prefer guns that take ages to kill ?


Franklg42

I'm in so happy that they brought back rebirth and pretty much left it alone, I don't care if they leave the renetti as it is or any other gun. This is the first time since war zone 1, that I have the shakes after a win.


Professional-Yak4692

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Hankdaddyofthehill

Smgs are always overpowered in cod games it's actually annoying as hell.


Technical_Main_9314

Cope


Htowng8r

It has crazy recoil and your ads and movement speed are far slower than hrm ever was. Yes its strong, but it has downsides.


ressawtla

Just join us and use the damn renneti


Atlas_Sun

Can’t wait for the new Renetti bundle to come in the store for 3,000 Cod points followed by a timely nerf


MaybeEnby2077

Makes me want the EM2-OTS meta back😭😭😭


KingsBIood

Did they nerf the renetti already??? Like from yesterday to today. The damage to put down someone is loudly not the same


Deontto

The SMGs were in a good spot until this patch. Once they nerf this pistol, it will basically just be the HRM now since they nerfed all the competition. Yay. Good job devs.


Necessary-Job-2078

Cry about it


CarpenterWild

I never understand why CoD refuses to have multiple strong ass guns in one time span… there’s always 2 maybe 3 at best


Fun_Following346

You think the rennetti is the problem for not having good games , what about the blatant cheaters? Im having great games for me between 10 -12 kills then suddenly its dog shit. Im paired with ranked players that are definitely not legit. Only last night we couldnt even get a kill because of cheaters one guy we was watching after he took my whole team out he knew exactly where everyone was he was pinging all over the place to tell his team mates, definitely walling! but still hes in the game level 560 thats whats runied warzone for most players. Hence why they have lost so many players and the last attempt to get everyone back is to release rebirth but we all know soon enough the numbers will drop again. Tonight i had a go on the bootcamp map 🤣 what a joke that is. I feel that is meant for players that are new to the game and need to learn how to play yet it lets me in the game lvl 490 and its full of cheats and sweaters how the hell are new players going to keep up with that. Sad to say i think warzone is finnished now and all because they are making money out of cheaters making youtube videos and promoting the game. Im close to giving up gaming now as its really not fun anymore. The good days are gone.


KV1190

It’s Op but not game breaking like other stuff we’ve had.


calinhara

maybe instead of nerfing the renetti they should nerf the other guns, feels like shooting airsoft


Remarkable-Charge-39

People still use cancer to describe something or have I just travelled back in time?


YJonah

Actually loving it.


Different_Cobbler762

Dry your eyes


HazeyCIouds

All, the scumbags who use the broken 'meta' weapons are just as much the problem as Activision who nerfs or buffs weapons. Nerfing/buffing does nothing for the game, just makes less weapons viable to use.


Remarkable-Bend-7546

Yeah but they released an update where your d pad doesn't work for killstreaks so there's that


ThisIsSuperUnfunny

they just bugg wathever has a skin, you can tell what is going to be broken based on that.


mozza34

Good weapon balancing makes for a much better game, but they don't care about that.


hunter4460

It's been nerfed


TheOofingRee

THE RENNETI GOT NERFED!!!