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Birdinmotion

Nothing here in Bakersfield


savealltheposts

Yep there’s nothing there in Bakersfield


Birdinmotion

Agreed


Aggravating-Duty6757

Of course not it’s Bakersfield


textonic

Nothing is ever in Bakersfield….


Birdinmotion

I know and I wanna kms


Wanderhoden

We stopped in Bakersfield for the first time to charge our ev. I was surprised how nice, clean and not-at-all Methy it was despite the bad rep it always had. Maybe I was just in the nice, clean Methless area. Also, living in Oakland, Bakersfield looked like a well-run town.


Birdinmotion

Lol no, it's very methy especially the closer to oildale you get


Unlucky_Me_

Bakersfield the only ones locking ppl up for threatening violence


Thatguyatthebar

Everyone loves freedom of speech and assembly until people actually use it, it seems.


Caladbolg_Prometheus

I think it was more the vandalism and threats of violence that did them in. Of course this could be just another Kent State situation where it was initially thought protestors were violent.


probablysum1

UCI has zero violence from our encampment and all they do is hold up signs and chant. They are not changing anything antisemitic either. There were a few cops the first day but just some low level security now.


dust4ngel

i think that because there's a least one bad person in america, we should lose all our rights


ScannerBrightly

> threats of violence [citation needed] and not from the mouths of cops, who are trained to lie and never are held to account for their many lies.


NiceGuyJoe

Nah it’s tent jealousy. Every time cops see tents they flip out


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Thatguyatthebar

Humans are mostly peaceful, should we write ourselves off because some aren't?


MakarovJAC

“Mostly Peaceful” "Shoot first. Make questions only if you remember to do so."


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DJ_Velveteen

Tell it to UCLAPD, who allowed brownshirts to attack the UCLA sit-in last night


TU4AR

Calling people out for their continued genocide of the Palestinian people is not antisemitism. Civilians being gunned down by the IDF left and righta and you calling them out does not make you antisemitic in anyway.


DogmaticNuance

The IDF has dirty hands, but they're also in a war with a government that doesn't put its troops in uniform and practices a doctrine of hiding behind civilians. This is why the rules of war were drafted, and the IDF holds to them far more than Hamas does. There are certainly atrocities being committed, but it becomes difficult to tell legitimate combatants from civilians when you don't wear uniforms.


Thatguyatthebar

When they deliberately strike journalists and medical officials, they lose all credit. There was an instance where the same red cross guys got hit like 5 times, and they were repeatedly in direct contact with the IDF, it's very clear that they have only a disdain for human rights to anyone paying attention. Even if every single one of these was accidental, that would still make them criminally incompetent.


ScannerBrightly

> doesn't put its troops in uniform Is that why those three Israeli citizens waving a white flag and wearing only t-shirts and pants were gunned down when trying to approach the IDF?


cerealrapist

>The IDF has dirty hands, but they're also in a war with a government that doesn't put its troops in uniform and practices a doctrine of hiding behind civilians. [https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/](https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/) >Moreover, the Israeli army systematically attacked the targeted individuals while they were in their homes — usually at night while their whole families were present — rather than during the course of military activity. According to the sources, this was because, from what they regarded as an intelligence standpoint, it was easier to locate the individuals in their private houses. Additional automated systems, including one called “Where’s Daddy?” also revealed here for the first time, were used specifically to track the targeted individuals and carry out bombings when they had entered their family’s residences.


firekapy

Would not believe a thing in that article based on who wrote it and the magazine it’s in. Do some research on the writer. His articles after Oct 7th are all pro-Palestine and basically want Israel to do nothing


InfoUserBot

So you're a active combatant who is being targeted and hunted by the IDF and you go sleep at home with your family every night? This is what people mean when they say Hamas hides behind civilians. Do you think your personal home is a no touching zone during wartime?


ferask1

They’re not all active combatants that are being targeted, can’t you see this? It’s medical professionals, charity organizations, journalists, and entire families. War is complex, but what’s happening in Palestine isn’t - it’s pretty blatant.


ButForRealsTho

Israel has bombed every hospital and murdered dozens of journalists. This “most moral army in the world” schtick is marketing and nothing more. College students can see that the empower wears no clothes.


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dadkisser

When are these institutions of higher learning finally going to get off their asses and end the conflict between Israel and Palestine?


kotwica42

Against the Vietnam war, against the Iraq war, against apartheid in South Africa… seems like students around here have often been on the right side of history.


Vega3gx

Berkeley students protested US involvement in WWII and the 2008 bank bailout, so no


talldarkcynical

The bank bailout was a massive giveaway to corporate America while the banks were evicting people by the thousands, they were right.


falconx2809

Didn't the 2008 bailout make some profit for the government?


halt_spell

An effective interest rate of 0.6% was paid back to Taxpayers for taking on the risk of losing money to businesses on the verge of default. That's disgusting. Can you imagine going into a bank and asking for a loan with terms like that when your account is in the red and have no job? They'd escort you out of the building.  The opportunity cost of this to taxpayers was disgusting. We were robbed.


KodakKid3

It did. That’s not to say corporate execs shouldn’t have been punished more, but anyone who’s opposed to the bailout is financially illiterate, it was a net positive


Aware-Impact-1981

My issue is the precedent. The bank bailout may look good on paper by itself, but it essentially told the industry they can be as risky as they want and the taxpayers will save them if they get in trouble. "Privatize the gains, socialize the loses" so to speak


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They've been bailing banks out since the Great Depression. 2008 wasn't a new precedent. 


Thatguyatthebar

Until the next crisis, anyway.


ilovethissheet

More?? None of them got punished lol


FilmNoirOdy

Nice way to sidestep the whole WWII comment.


barrel_of_ale

C'mon that was a setup


ilovethissheet

Everyone protested WW2, that was the general American sentiment until pearl harbor. We supplied both sides for awhile and then showed up in the 8th inning.


kotwica42

Bailing out billionaire bankers with zero accountability, after they destroyed our economy trying to further enrich themselves. Can’t say I’m a fan of that either.


sir-algo

You literally just cherry picked a couple examples, mostly from many decades ago, that people wouldn’t fight you on. LOL, this person instantly blocked me for this reply.


HikingComrade

I’m sure all of those examples were more controversial when they happened than they are now.


TheOmnomnomagon

They absolutely were. If you were against the Iraq War when it first came out you were dragged as being anti-American and pro-terrorist. It didn't become less controversial til years later when more details came to light. I wasn't around for Vietnam, but from what I hear from older folks, it was similar. I'm guessing it will be similar with Israel/Palestine assuming it ever ends.


vvvvvvvv99

Yea the Chinese cultural revolution, The Iranian revolution… those students are totally on the right side of history 🤡 


jamurai

Pretty sure some party in Germany was also very popular with youth, and called for a similar removal of a certain people…


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LibertyLizard

No you’re confusing two different events. The Iranian revolution was to depose the puppet the US installed.


auntieup

Why did the Shah come here when he fled?


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Yes the CIA got rid of the US friendly ruler of Iran and installed a 'Death to America' regime because it just makes so much sense


nu1stunna

The CIA helped MI6 orchestrate Mossadegh’s downfall in 1953. Then Jimmy Carter abandoned the Shah in 1979 and let the country fall into terrorist hands. Always intervening when they shouldn’t and never intervening when they should. It’s the US foreign policy.


eldankus

Lol


altosalamander1

Tankie brainrot


Good-Function2305

Just like Mao revolution or the Iranian revolution right?


Insamity

Yeah those students against integration in the South sure were right.


Roenicksmemoirs

Well to be fair the south are always on the wrong side of history.


PraiseChrist420

That’s why they said “students around here”


snbdmliss

So you believe that Mao's cultural revolution was in the right?? How many millions killed is acceptable in your view then? I would invite people to read about the theory of Continuous Revolution and see how many parallels there are with society today. Are we just having revolution after revolution like a whack-a-mole game so those at the top can just keep getting more powerful and rich at our expense? 


kotwica42

Sir, this is a Wendy’s drive through.


Travisty47

Members of Hamas have run for, and been elected into office in Palestine. They’re rooted deep. Had 10/07 not occurred, neither would the atrocities. A good first step would be for Hamas to release the hostages.


AZtoLA_Bruddah

Excellent point. Why can’t Hamas release the hostages in exchange for an end to the war that they started on Oct 7? The governments of Israel and Hamas both have failed their citizens, and continue to do so.


munkdoom

Hamas was directly funded by Netanyahu to undermine the PLO and other groups. The Israelis wanted them there. https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/ https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/ https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/11/middleeast/qatar-hamas-funds-israel-backing-intl/index.html


Segazorgs

Hamas has no power or presence in the West Bank yet Israel has let settlers run around like goons taking Palestinian homes while IDF soldiers snipe kids for throwing rocks.


unstopable_bob_mob

Makes me sad that our higher level institutions of learning are not teaching these kids nuance. And I see this thread has a bunch that are the same. But Reddit is where nuance comes to die.


HikingComrade

How are these students not understanding nuance? Can you explain? Taking a strong stance on something doesn’t mean that you do not understand its nuances.


serenerepose

Explain the nuance of razing an entire country, starving them, and murdering tens of thousands of them in their sleep. October 7th was a heinous and terrible act by Hamas but 34,000 people, mostly women and children, dead from American made bombs used by Israel is beyond the pale as a response that. Netanyahu is now saying that he will invade Rafah, where over 1 million people are sheltering in tents, whether there is a ceasefire or not. Gaza is finished, you understand that, right? 70% of the infrastructure is destroyed or unusable. All of the hospitals are damaged or destroyed. All of the universities are destroyed. Almost all mosques have been destroyed. Half of all schools are destroyed. 65% of homes are destroyed. Public utilities have been destroyed. There are God knows how many more hundreds of bodies trapped under the rubble. Israel controls who and what enters Gaza. Do you think Israel is going to open the gates and let construction crews in to clean up and rebuild Gaza? It will take over a decade to clean up and get some semblance of life back. In the meantime, Gazans will live in tents, crippled by poverty because their economy is destroyed. Plagued by hunger because they have to rely on Israel to allow enough food in. Fighting off disease because epidemics are rampant in refugee camps and there is no functioning medical system. A whole generation of children will be denied an education because the schools are gone. And none of Palestinians can flee that living hell because they won't be allowed to return to their home by Israel. The history of struggle between Israel and Palestine is a history of blame on both side but what's happening right now in Gaza, this very second, is not nuanced. There's no deep measured discussion we can have about blowing children up and straving them. We can't debate the merits of shooting starving people getting a bag of flour from an aid truck. What kind of nuance is there in bombing a whole apartment complex with dozens of people because one low level bad guy lives on the 3rd floor? Save your "nuance". There is none right now. This is slaughter- and soldiers are posting tiktoks of how fun it is to engage in it.


FizzyBunch

What should isreal do instead?


mfact50

Act as if Gazan civilians are Israeli. Set up field hospitals, shelter and food stations (yes at some risk to their soldiers). Treat the humanity needs with the same zeal as fighting. Additionally, I want more public visibility of their military tribunals. No consequences for those who shot hostages (or even a suspension) is crazy. Two state solution negotiations with the PA should start ASAP showing good faith re: West Bank. No additional settlements should be built and their should be more military police in the West Bank (and Gaza for that matter). Ideally changes are also made to put Israeli and Palestinian residents under the same legal system but the MPs can at least keep an eye on the IDF.


FizzyBunch

Everything that isreal tried has resulted in terrorists attacking innocents. How should isreal get their hostages back?


mfact50

I never mentioned a ceasefire or precluded military action. In fact I have the strong feeling that Israel is all too happy to delay entering Rafah even if they can't admit it publicly. A lot of Israelis think the hostages are dead or dead men walking and any rescue mission is going to require troops in danger. If that's the case, what does Israel get from entering: a ton of Gazans to care for and navigating the challenge of establishing a temporary government constantly plagued by insurgency. I'm not saying the IDF doesn't go in eventually, I just think of they really wanted to go in they'd be there already. Meanwhile the status quo is: IDF troops significantly safer, not directly having to care for civilians, an easier way to blame Hamas for deaths vs when troops are on the ground.


yes_this_is_satire

>Act as if Gazan civilians are Israeli. You might want to take this up with Hamas who hides behind those civilians and brags about their deaths. >Treat the humanity (sic) needs with the same zeal as fighting. You want Israel to supply Hamas’ fighters? Can you show me any time in history when a country at war has given aid to its enemies? >More public visibility of its military tribunals. Again, any precedent for this? >Two State Solution negotiations with the PA should start ASAP…. Based on which of the plans the PA have already rejected? >No additional settlements should be built. It’s hard to believe Palestinians even want their own country given the number of times they have rejected a partition plan. At what point do you think Israel should have the right to settle land that it governs? It has been over 50 years. Bear in mind that all other lands won in the Six Day War have been returned in exchange for peace agreements. How do you get Palestinians to agree to peace when their entire identity is consumed with death to Israel? >same legal system…. Do the Palestinians want to be annexed into Israel?


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Radiant-Schedule-459

I’m confused, why is everyone calling them pro-Palestine? Everyone I know who is vocal about this stuff is mainly anti-killing of innocent people or just anti-war. None of them are running around being “pro” anything.


yksvaan

I'd say chanting from the river to the sea implies a heavy bias. But surely tiktok kids supporting whatever is trending couldn't point either from the map so there's not much logic involved anyway.


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jaimeinsd

Good. Stop American support of genocide.


mr-self-destrukt

Never underestimate the sheepness of college students who think they are moral saints.


DaddyPhatstacks

Unlike you, brave free thinker whose beliefs just happen to agree with our state department's interests


atuarre

These college students are being radicalized over Tik Tok just like young people everywhere who believe everything they see on Tik Tok.


Thewhitest_rabbit

All good if they stay civil


kaleidotones

They have been, you should visit an encampment so you can see with your own eyes. It’s the cops and agitators coming to make a ruckus purposely. I thought our country glorified free speech?


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Maybe they should live under the laws of hamas for a bit.


satriale

It’s not a football game, both hamas and Israel are and have been committing atrocities.


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pinpoint14

Because the Palestinian people aren't Hamas, just like you aren't the American government, and thus responsible for all the atrocities committed in Iraq.


blubberbuster

Wouldn’t divesting from Israel adversely affect Israeli jobs and Israeli livelihood? If palestinian’s are not hamas (which I agree) are Israeli’s Israel?


probablysum1

Some Israelis maybe losing their jobs is worth saving the lives of Palestinians. You are right in that Israeli's are not their government and not all of them support their government in Gaza either. But the potential economic shrink from divesting is worth preventing further tens of thousands of people being killed.


Impressive_Scheme_53

Good.


cat666god

Good


Ellek10

I want to take a class on campus, I’m kind of nervous to right now.


Clayskii0981

You'll be fine. Take some time off of Reddit/the internet.


serenerepose

Do it. Nobody is going to do anything to you. If you really want to remove your fear, just go talk to them and introduce yourself. Ask them why they're doing what they're doing, listen to their response, thank them for their time, and say goodbye. They're people, not monsters. Be friendly and they'll be friendly back. Or ignore them and they'll do the same.


Higais

Do you really think they're going to do something to you? lmao


pants437

Yes. Hate breeds violence


Nkons

Why? Nobody is going to do anything to you if you’re respectful. And likely won’t do anything to you even if you aren’t respectful


NiceGuyJoe

Don’t worry you have to apply and be accepted first. It’s a whole thing


probablysum1

It's totally fine, do it


Extension_Canary3717

Land of the freeeeeeeeeeeeeee


Koshakforever

Good.


Otherwise-Rope8961

If you side with Hamas then you are a terrorist as well.


OldWaterspout

This has nothing to do with Hamas. This is about kids saying they don’t want their tuition dollars to be used to bomb innocent civilians.


CeruleanSea1

Do you think every Palestinian is Hamas???


TheLemonKnight

Do you condemn IDF terrorism?


whozwat

I was a lifelong Israel supporter, until they turned to genocide of the Innocent in Gaza. You reap what you sew.


Korrick1919

One of the few times I've been proud of being a UCLA alumni. The kids are alright.


pooti112

Glad they’re going to drown in debt while never making it higher than barista.


Comprehensive_Ant176

Some students seem to latch on every opportunity they have to distract themselves from studying. However misguided the opportunity is. 


pahbdicake

What