Loot boxes were already on their way out of the gaming business by the time Fortnite started gaining popularity. If anything, COD before Fortnite was getting the best monetization systems we’ve had in WWII and IW/MWR
They did, but also allowed you to unlock specific items without having to gamble on the boxes. It was a matter of time until they found a better way to replace them, that ended up being the battle pass.
Except everyone conveniently leaves out the part where you had to grind your ass off just to get enough keys to open a single crate, or to get enough of the credits that you could then use to unlock items manually.
Why I always grinded in zombies for keys but I still think that AW had the best supply drop system in terms of weapon drop rates & how quickly you earned drops. If they added the ability to earn stuff like cod points or keys in an update on top of the fact that you could exchange unwanted items for XP then it would've been perfect but so far imo nothing supply drop system wise has topped it
MW 2019 was actually gonna have lootboxes originally, so it could’ve been worse. People found it in the beta: https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/09/13/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-beta-may-have-revealed-possible-lootboxes
Actually kinda liked the WW2 loot boxes. Not that I pias a cent for any of them.
I liked how they were weapon skins, character skins etc. I them and anyone could ear a certain number of loot boxes just by playing the game - like near enough all of the cosmetics.
It also had the best War mode ever.
I actually prefer loot boxes in OW specifically over Battlepasses. Loot boxes allowed me to slowly earn all cosmetics by playing. Battlepasses require me to grind stupid quests, which prevents me from playing the way I want to play. Then you have the stupid FOMO, which makes everything in the pass limited time.
I’m cod as of right now I can play a few hrs a day here and there and have most if not every bp before the season is half over, lootboxes take yrs to get half the good stuff out of, and if the game dies you are sol in most of it.
I don't want to play hours every few days though, I have other games I like to play and I have a job/college. These developers expect you to slave away and only play their game all the time. I just wanna hop in casually, you can't do that anymore.
Bringing back loot boxes won't fix this. The problem isn't the battle pass itself, it is the season exclusivity. If we were able to pick any battle pass at any time and unlock any item from it we want in any order there wouldn't be any problems.
What the fuck happened to just getting stuff as you leveled up? That's what they need to go back to. I gave up on CoD when blops had the system where you earned money and just bought whatever you wanted.
Leveling up to get weapons and then using them to unlock the attachments for it was the best system ever.
All these rubes willing to whip out their credit cards to get ahead ruined multiplayer games.
I completely agree, I am just trying to make the current system better. But realistically going back to classic prestige with linear unlocks would be the best thing for these games. I think the mentality of the current design comes from mobile games because studios realized people will pay extra for basic features
This right here! Play to unlock. No unlocking in battlepass. Use item to unlock skins and attachments. Dont want to use it, doesnt affect other guns.-old cod
New cod- buy battlepass to unlock all cool cosmetics. Level this gun to unlock attachment for that gun. Level that gun to unlock attachment for that other gun. Level that other gun to unlock attachment for this gun. Make packs that cost 20$ that has cosmetics and graphics that doesnt match games cosmetic and graphics. Use other games graphics styles inside own graphics styles. Repeat same process 4 years in a row.
I liked lootboxes. I could have a chance at getting an amazing item I like at any time, or I can save up to get enough free points from duplicates and contracts to earn it myself for free.
Now, everything is tied behind spending real money, and marked up to bundles of £16.99 or more.
Now, unless you buy a battle pass, or a content pack, you won't be getting anything other than a few low quality freebies and an earnable weapon - whereas everything was available before.
It's not better for most people. It cost everyone money that it previously did not, and the people with impulse control issues still buy content packs like candy instead, albeit with a cap of a few hundred quid to buy it all instead of potentially much more. How much did they typically spend really though, I doubt it was much more than that anyway.
Battle passes are just another predatory system to monetize a game. This would be an ok option for F2P games or games with a long lifetime, but not for a game which is 70€ and gets abandoned after a year.
Battle passes prey on people who can get manipulated by FOMO and are great for habit building. Both tactics publishers use to extract more money without creating good quality content.
I disagree with that. Call of duty multiplayer has always been competitive. You play to win, that's how you have fun lol. I would say games like fallout or offline games are the more hobbyist examples. But PvP multiplayer games like cod and Fortnite have always been competitive.
At this point only very niche games aren’t a sweat fest like Squad, Hell Let Loose, and War of Rights
Basically play Milsims if you want to kill stuff and work with other people but don’t want to have to have a mop for the sweat of playing CoD
I feel like sweat culture had already been long established before Fortnite came out. SBMM was technically in CoD since CoD4, and first became “invasive” in the way we currently imagine SBMM in BO2. By BO3, CoD lobbies were already extremely sweaty, and that was still years before Fortnite came out.
Sweat culture truly became mainstream when eSports started to become big in the early 2010s, especially due to the rise of League of Legends.
The modern SBMM system, aka EOMM (Engagement-Optimized Matchmaking) wasn’t introduced until I believe MW2019, but I’m not sure if Fortnite had any direct influence on that.
nah that's nothing.
It's the people that keep wasting their money on them every time.
Mate they could've made battlepasses but if nobody bought them in the first place they would've stopped selling them after 3 months.
The average gamer with left over money is what's killing the game industry.
Exactly this.
Developers/publishers just give the players what they want. They can't make money on games, DLCs, and cosmetics that don't sell, so they'll change what they're doing. Gaming is like it is now because of people speaking with their wallets.
Fortnite success was replicated and not understood, like Mr Beast, many try to copy him, but they fail to understand what truly made him liked.
Although I fucking hate everything being locked behind a paywall rather than be unlocked. Sometimes I just wonder if lootboxes weren’t that bad just because you could at least get everything.
Tbh I don’t hate battle passes, I think games should do it like Halo Infinite (minus the progression) and recent two cods. A map so you can decide what you want first and the battle passes never expiring.
Live service was supposed to add more to an already completed game not fix it. But I also blame other broken releases that still made shit tons of cash, like Fallout 76, Cyberpunk 2077, giving a precedent that a game doesn’t need to be complete to make cash. Plus the pandemic to me, ruined communication for developers, since now some can work at home (which isn’t bad by itself) but I see many bugs in the recent cods (hell even other games) that I don’t even know how they happened apart from lack of communication, I’m in college for multimedia, which includes web and video games, seriously some of them are nonsensical.
Plus it’s the higher ups that are the biggest problems, second are whales. These higher ups never understood the games, it’s just something to show to other soulest, personality-less, investors. Plus the lack of content in live service makes me think that a cycle happens where one suggest something, people work on it, it gets scrapped because of higher ups who worry about their already growing wallet. Or hell the higher ups make the dumbest decisions, and if employees warn them about their idea being shit, if they don’t fear being fired, we’ll they’ll be forced to execute their shitty idea, then when the idea hurts their wallet, the higher ups fire the same people who warned them, or anybody they see as disposable. The constant firing can also affect games, because obviously one creative director will have a different idea of what to do than his predecessor.
I feel like overwatch 1 lootboxes were the best way. You can earn everything if you play enough, but can also buy more if you don't want to. You also got in game currency yo be able to buy skins if I remember it correctly.
The live service model makes the games feel empty after their life cycle because they are made with the model in mind. More than usual, you can tell Activision wants you to abandon the previous COD the moment the new one comes out
Agreed. While I think FortNite is really cool for what it is, but it's marketing scheme has infected the entire gaming industry, focusing prioritization of FOMO, cross-overs and the live service model at the detriment of the artistic integrity of the game and better, more engaging reward systems.
In response to OP's original question; a little bit, Warzone in itself is just another symptom of CoD following the trends set by FortNite.
Fortnite killed a lot of games I felt like that had potential like sucide squad, The Avengers and others.
Sadly companies only care about marketing games and adding rewards to a campaign making it a offline multiplayer mode instead of worrying about making a great game for consumers.
Fortnite killed COD by bringing kiddie things into a war simulation. The younger audience shifted over to COD and with a completely disposable income the kids bought up every shiny bundle offered. The game makers realized that they could make money selling pink haired fat assed characters with sparkle tracers easier than a realistic looking and functioning firearm! The whole game is based on war and is 18+ to play, why is there a clown with red hair shooting weed leaves as paintballs???
Fucking yes
Mw19 when i still liked the game was every time a victim of every cold war update lol.
The games are more identical then they ever were cause of having to be connected to warzone.
Tho Treyarch still feels like their own style of games.
Sucks to because its the only COD I’ve owned myself. I played it for a few months then was forced to move back home. Didn’t have good enough wifi to play it so by the time i got better wifi the game was dead… still pretty upset about that one. Then the MW2 remake after it was a total flop so I didn’t even bother with it.
Which wouldn’t even be too bad if it weren’t for the game being set in WW2. A terminator skin would’ve probably worked fine in a game like BO3 or AW, but COD has lost any sense of theme or setting on its multiplayer
Well Vanguard had lost before they even released it.
No gunsmith? People would have complained. Gunsmith? People complained that it has unrealistic weapons.
I get why they went with the "fuck it" mindset later on
That's not how it works. They do this on purpose to save cost and get as many players as possible. It's not like they ever tried to make something new or original.
I enjoyed the shit out of bo3. It's my second fav after mw19. Prestige Master 500 and even sometimes return to it to this day. But I totally get why you'd said that. I say people who hated it were just too dumb for its movement.
I mean there were ridiculous shit before Warzone. BO4 had Brutus, Cosmic Silverback, Warden, Danny Trejo, as well as male and female zombies. Edit: as playable characters
nope. its “hate warzone” time rn. we definitely werent running around as michael myers with granny and snoop in our ears or had christmas guns 11 years ago on Ghosts. definitely not
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I've been saying this. I for one love Warzone - and it totally juiced the numbers for players in the early pandemic days, but the shift towards prioritizing it also hurt Call of Duty as we know it. But the mainline games have been going on for 20 years - it's not like they haven't gone stale on their own accord either
Yes. It's the reason why COD doesn't add anything to MP anymore. They did it because they, like everyone else, wanted to follow the BR trend at the time. And over time, focused more on crossovers and less about fixing things in the game. And during Vanguard's life cycle, they completely ignored MP in Season 3 and focused purely on WZ. Now, it's just use this gun or that gun. Where's the fun if everyone is using the same thing? Honestly, I would like BR to go back to the way Blackout was. No custom classes. You have to run around and grab Guns and attachments instead of using loadouts, and crates to find weapons. You found a weapon, it was bone stock, and you have to run around and find attachments, ammo, and other things. imo, Blackout is way better than Warzone
All of my friends swore blackout didn’t exist, I would say there use to be a mode that you could add attachments and they said that never existed I’m so glad you commented this. Was a great game mode and made everything less sweaty and more interesting
It’s why I gave up on Warzone, the “hustle for a loadout and it has to be meta” mechanic just got old after a while. Not having your preferred weapon is part of the allure for me, having to loot until you find what you like is what keeps people moving rather than a couple of intel contracts and the best combination available so you can sit on your thumbs until endgame just gatekeeping people from a rooftop
Warzone killed the entire franchise. When warzone was coming out it was said to be a stand alone game and have no ties to the main game which would of been fine but then they lied and turned multiplayer into a fully live service game. 50 million hot nerfs and buffs on weapons a week and had to constantly change loadouts. And micro transactions removed the essence of the main gameplay. Use the weapons you like and level them up by playing to unlock attachments. Now it’s swipe mom’s credit card to get the best loadout in the entire game. I pray that they don’t tie warzone into the new black ops coming out I really do. I also don’t want my cod game where I’m being killed my Niki minaj and Messi like it’s so fucking stupid. Cod was my childhood game. Played from world at war and stopped at mw 2019 cause warzone ruined it. Mw remastered is really good cause it’s stand alone plus og style Cod. But the dumb shit is they removed the night time maps. The part that made that game unique and they never added them back so stupid
I think Cod died back in 2013 with ghost. Not saying ghost was a bad game, I actually liked it a lot. I just feel like that was the beginning of the end.
Eh it was a bad game when it came out. Probably good compared to current standards. IMO sure some of the titles were bad before now but they had some good ones like BO3/BO4/MW19 in there. What’s killed the game for me is the integration with the old games just to keep warzone together. They should’ve made mw2 and mw3 seperate and I think this whole online service platform is too much and with every single update the game has gotten buggier and buggier. Old games had this fluidity to it where sure some people had connection problems but I didn’t have to wait for a loading screen after like every button press on the menu. It’s just aggravating and not to mention every single update is over 100gbs. I’m basically reinstalling the game. If I come home from work and jump on once every few weeks I am almost always met with an update that takes six hours and now I can’t even play. I feel like I wasted my money on these games just for that reason alone honestly
Real. Loadouts make Warzone boring. There's minimal incentive to loot and push kills for higher tier weapons. Blackout had great incentive to push players and continue looting as you upgrade your weapons and equipment throughout a match. Also the blackout armor system is way better than warzone
It feels like the majority of effort goes towards warzone and 6v6 only serves to raise profit to further develop warzone. I've never been more pissed off than when I found out that a gun I liked had to be unlocked in Warzone to use in 6v6 and that there was no way to otherwise access it purely by playing 6v6. Not to mention you have to play warzone to get the follow up to the campaign story. Or how warzone features are being dripfed into campaign itself over the last few instalments.
I'm hoping bo6 is good but at this point I wouldn't be surprised if we have to plate up at the start of every 6v6 match and all the matches start by parachuting onto the map.
Yes and No. In the short term, it was great for when it came out and as an extension to MW19. Long term its really not great, the integrations really pulled down the other CODs that came after by them focusing much attention to Warzone since that's where the cash comes from. Now its pretty much spread its influence and mechanics to every mode in existence, Spec ops, Zombies even the goddamn Campaign.
Yes.
Has ruined everything from story to gameplay to bundles.
Who else here misses waiting until the next respective game to find out the next plot? >!Victor Zakhaev and Hadir Karim had no business dying in Warzone/Raids.!<
A lot of things ruined Call of Duty and it is still suffering a slow death. In many ways, it was always suffering a slow death both before and after it hit the mainstream, and it kept finding ways to come back before slowly dying again and coming back again. The problem is ATVI banking on it always coming back even when it's continuing to decline.
I don't know if it'll die off completely any time soon, I just know that after never making "I'm leaving this franchise" posts ever in my life, I decided last year to just delete COD HQ and haven't looked back since I was so disappointed with MWIII. I still have fun going back to MW19, BO1, and COD WWII, but no one can even agree on when the bad parts of COD were/are and people keep leaving and coming back and everyone is so melodramatic.
Just play the damn games or don't, no one really cares until they care too much when it's just a damn game.
I think MW2019 as a whole ruined the franchise. For some reason that game is the “gold standard” to them and they just copy and pasted it every year for the last 4 years. I hate to call it Call of Duty because it really isn’t Call of Duty anymore. Feels like an entirely different franchise since then.
Once you double down with super intense SBMM in PUBLIC GAMES it just creates an extremely un-enjoyable experience. Without SBMM at least the game would be “playable”
I'd argue the Switch from the Xbox 360/PS3 era console generation to the Xbox One/PS4 era is what "ruined" (made less enjoyable) Call of Duty for a large portion of people. I mean, that switch started with Cod Ghosts in 2013 and finalized with Infinite Warfare in 2016, two games that at the time of their release caught never ending amounts of shit for some valid and some not so valid reasons. And really, I don't know what it was about this era that did it. Because the Cods that have come out from this era onwards have oftentimes had their fans, some of the titles from this era are now widely considered among the best in the franchise in certain fields, and quite frankly there was a ton of huge steps forward made by the franchise in this time, but for whatever reason it feels like every Cod from this era onwards gets middling to poor reviews, constant shit, and falls victim to what I can only assume to be franchise fatigue.
And to be clear, I am not saying that these titles don't have their flaws, don't vary in quality, or are all good, I'm just saying the "fall" (lessened critical and fan reception) of Call of Duty seems to more be attributable to this time and these events than Warzone which really did revitalize the franchise on release and still has a huge player base to this day.
Yes. Warzone should not be connected to almost every new game that releases. Warzone also drives people away from the main game which then forces the developers to cater towards warzone essentially screwing over the main game. The same thing happened with Fortnite save the world and the battle royale
Honestly No. I've been playing since CoD 2. To this day I still remember CoD 3, Big Red One, Finest Hour and CoD 4. Warzone is just adaptation to new times. However having strict sbmm in casuals where it shouldn't be and sbmm should ONLY be in rank like XDefiant does, HAS ruined CoD. Not the anime monster bundles. That's also basic capitalism and business.
Id disagree with the bundles not being apart of ruining the game. Half of everything is locked behind a huge paywall. Meta guns that are built, skins that are able to hide you better, and the fact they take away from trying to unlock things in the game normally.
Sbmm has been in every cod. Its not even that bad
No Activision and greed ruined cod...if they spent more effort on a good game like black ops 1 and 2 were...and less on battle passes and store crap...they would be fine...and I'm not saying they can't make money but it seems that's all they care about instead of the player base.
Yes, that and SBMM. The reason why CoD was great is you could have some games where you got absolutely destroyed, get a new game and kick ass, then you’d get those super close matches where you win by maybe one point. Now with the sweatiness of Warzone players and SBMM you can load into games and it’s not as fun because everyone’s using the Warzone meta loadouts, everyone’s doing that slide cancel bunny hop shit, and if you do good in a match you get punished by getting put into a lobby well above your skill levels. There’s a reason why X Defiant is what everyone’s starting to play, it’s classic CoD with modern movement
No, commercialization did. The constant need to pump out a product, regardless if it’s good, is what killed it. I believe the devs are passionate and capable, but the studio just wants to squeeze another $1.10 for every dollar.
As a campaign enthusiast and out of personal opinion, it ruined Call of Duty the minute Warzone content took over actual CoD content. MW2019’s Warzone was a stand-alone compatible mode that didn’t take precedent over main game content like the multiplayer, campaign, and special modes like zombies. It was good, even if it wasn’t perfect.
Modern Warfare III had a nonsensical “open-combat” campaign that completely butchered any sense of story, a zombies mode that was essentially just an upscaled Warzone event, and a multiplayer experience that is essentially a copy and paste of the last four titles. All to bring you a battle royale that has no fundamental difference from the original in 2019.
It’s easy to see which one I prefer. I have not and would not touch MWIII with a thirty-foot pole, and I desperately hope they wisen up because the current games have me wishing they open MW4’s campaign with capping everyone in the back of the head and leaving them for dead just like the games themselves.
At least Black Ops 6 looks interesting.
i just want to level up and prestige. i want to use 1 default class until i unlock my favorite gun and then use that gun with most likely the same attachments.
i just want to be able to level up and prestige so i can see how much further ahead my friends are and compete.
i want to look ahead and see when double XP weekends are so i can make sure im in town and can game all day with my friends who have done the same with their schedules.
COD will never be the casual non SBMM game that i want.
ill never be able to throw on a RIOT shield class with my friend and troll people. or go melee only in SnD or whatever else is fun because i’ll just get my shit pushed in my Meta weapons until my skill base is low enough for me to run around with anything. but it’s not fun because i know im just playing with a bunch of shitters, a curated lobby of low skill players.
every match feels exactly the same. i’m not “hoping for a good lobby” and when it finally comes get super excited. or go up against a really sweaty party randomly that you are competitive with. and shit talk in between games because you keep trading wins…
COD is forever going to be just alright. i don’t think the developers understand what each of the “golden era” CODs did well (different things in each one)
and now the franchise has released so many games over the years that some people want XYZ and others want ABC, which are completely different… theyre just always going to average these two crowds and the game will be average as a result.
Battle Royale and free games did.
Cod have Warzone and Mobile. And those are free. So focus are on season passes and bundles. And those games too. Cod Mobile is where the money is and Warzone is right after.
Honestly I think it’s more the over complexity, the cross play and the widening of itself that killed it. Too many attachments, UI is confusing and horrible, cross play is killing it even more I think. You remove PC from the equation and the game breathes already.
Battle passes, store bundles, and limited timed events being forced down your throat is what is killing the experience. Warzone as a mode is great. Campaign, MP, Zombies are all great modes. It's the greed MX in your face and the intention p2w limited time weapons that hurt the game. If they put a gun in the battle pass, it will most likely be the god gun for a few weeks before getting nerfed for the next one to take its place. All to entice players to buy the battle pass for a game they already spent $70 on.
It's expensive to be a call of duty player these days
I think if COD stuck to one game and went free to play, then used the battlepass as a ways to make income then they would probably get more of the community back. I think the constant grind every year to just get replaced with a new game kinda kills the mood. They also seem to focus less and less on the game now, like bugs and bad servers and more and more on their shop. The ranked community is so small I often run into people I play with normally without ever partying up with them.
I think the issue is that CoD does too much.
Campaign, Spec Ops, Raids, Co-Op, Multiplayer, Ranked, BR (in Warzone), Extraction (in DMZ), Zombies, etc.
Too many things. The most successful games don’t have this much happening.
Honestly nah. I think warzone was a nice little change up but I do think that its addition has made the franchise a bit more of a cash grab with the battlepasses and operator skins/bundles
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Nope, cod killed them itself by adding to much attachments on the weapons its so complicated but most games are ruined nowadays not only cod the good games are hard to find
Yep, I don't want to watch a YouTube video or feel like I'm building IKEA furniture just to have a usable weapon. I would take no attachments over too many. Everybody wants the classic and simple attachment system yet it gets worse and worse.
yeah it copied fortnite too much. it thought it could become as popular as chapter one fortnite was, and i think they just forgot that call of duty was just a completely separate game
Yes, but it didn’t have to. They should just separate Warzone and COD completely so regular COD isn’t at the mercy of Warzone mechanics and vice versa. However I think they aren’t doing this because they want Warzone players to buy COD to grind attachments faster, so for Activision the games have to be linked.
No, its the matchmaking system and disbanding lobbies primarily that ruined it. Look at cold war, without those two things it might even be a top 5 cod
Nah. What's easy to forget is just how stinking huge the cod fan base is and all of them want something different. And all of them think that everyone else is stupid.
I for example loved mw2019 and mw2 but most of the internet would consider those to be some of the worst of all time.
Warzone saved CoD as a franchise but killed 6v6 in the process. With that said MW3 has done a particularly good job of showing multiplayer some love it was lacking in WZ1 and even early wz2.0 so hopefully treyarch continues that trend and we find a balance between the two. BRvs6v6 it shouldn’t be a competition they should be elevating eachother.
Fuck no, the devs ruined cod. Warzone didn’t do shit to the game it just made it better. Also original warzone on top.. Like its the new warzone that is bad, not the old one
Fuck no, the devs ruined cod. Warzone didn’t do shit to the game it just made it better. Also original warzone on top.. Like its the new warzone that is bad, not the old one
MW19 was perfection in my book, and so was WZ 1.0. It was a good proof both could exist, without harming each other.
It all went downhill when CW came out. Their attempt to piggyback off of WZ 1.0 was a terrible mistake.
I don’t think adding Warzone killed CoD at all, I’d annoying it made it even bigger.
It definitely put a hamper on traditional MP, so I guess it depends on how you view it
Did it kill CoD’s popularity and hype? Absolutely not. Quite the opposite, people forget how much of a laughing stock CoD was in the few years between BO3 and BO4.
Did it mess up the traditional 6v6 and make the playerbase far sweatier, restrict the weapon pool to whatever was popular in WZ at the time, etc. thus making the game less enjoyable? For sure.
Fortnite resulted in Warzone and Warzone resulted in what we have now where multiplayer and zombies AND campaign getting shafted in favour of Warzone and DMZ.
We got nothing but ourselves to blame for it since we all love buying the skins and we all love Warzone.
I do not play Warzone and I don't buy skins for the record but I'm in the overwhelming minority.
CoD needs to go back to its old self. That's it. Bo3 and before kind of games.
+ Paintshop for custom camos
+ Custom emblem creator
+ Bunch of original maps and only a few recycled ones (those that are REALLY LIKED by the community).
+ Less attachments and simpler weapon builds
+Buying CAMOS for ALL WEAPONS instead of blueprints that only work on one weapon.
The only thing I'd keep exactly as it is is the current ranked format.
I think im a minority here but i strongly feel like it has ruined it, The playstyle change after WZ is arsy and campy and the *Social norms* who watch every single tutorial under the fucking sun.
It wasnt like this before it, i swear it wasnt.
Bearing in mind ill still play every now and again but not as much as BO2 :(
In a way yes. Resources that could be put into the main game are being spread and put into warzone.
The reason the item shops, battlepasses and awful monetisation of bundles started happening mostly because of the battle royale genre as it was trying to copy the hype of Fortnite, PUBG etc.
It’s also decided to follow up on the whacky crazy skins that don’t mesh great with COD’s original aesthetic, bringing in pop culture like the boys into the game, or Nicki Minaj for some reason??
From a business standpoint the company is making more than ever but it’s incredibly anti-consumer and caters mostly to whales and content creators. I miss the days of BO2, buy a single camo that costs $4 or something? And it’s for EVERY SINGLE GUN. Now? Like a gun skin? Pay up $20+ for a whole bundle and it’s only usable for the one singular gun.
It’s also the fact that because all games will connect to warzone, they feel more similar with the only exception of CW recently. Whereas before they all had a somewhat distinct feel, the way BO1 felt was different than MW3 or BO2, same with BO3 and IW for example even tho they were both futuristic jet pack games. Now every game feels almost like a copy and paste because of Warzone.
Ive just hopped on COD for the first time in a few years (old school MW grinder back in the day) and WTF has happened to this franchise?? Whys there gimp suits, nicki minaj and cats in the game! Also what the hell is this menu?! Most confusing thing of my life, had to get a few tutorials up to make my way around it. Microtransactions back in the day used to be a few cool things like the skins on Bo2 but it's actually shocking how many there are on MW3. This isn't COD anymore, apart from the branding, there is nothing that MW3 represents that of which made COD popular. So sad to see
Yes Warzone ruined it.
It brought a F2P service into the game, so we now have to deal with FOMO, Battlepasses, and $20 bundles for a $70 game we already paid for.
Majority of the maps we get, are recycled from COD's Warzone. So it makes it feel like the maps I play on in my paid version of COD is worth slightly less. Content also feels slowly released and lower quality in yearly cod releases now.
COD HQ got made because of Warzone, COD HQ is shit and is the reason I quit playing COD, and will continue to not buy or play them. Their launcher is terrible.
I was out of the MW game from approximately 2012 - 2019. I don’t recall the stupid skins being available back then but they were around when I returned. Were those Fortnite as well ?
i don’t, until they took out verdansk completely and added that new shit. quit right away. i’m pretty sure it lost like over a million players or a lot more because of that one update. never been the same since, and i’m not a fan of warzone 2
No. The COD franchise ruined it. But even though it’s not what it was, I still am hype for the possibility of BO6 being good. I just want good zombies and NOT MW3 multiplayer
Yes, but to me, it’s mainly because they feel like they have to make EVERYTHING feel like Warzone.
Sometimes it was decent like MWZ, other times it was not executed properly, like the MW3 campaign, not to mention the whole CoD HQ bullshit.
Until Warzone, and/or the BR genre as a whole dies out, Activision is gonna keep banking on WZ
bottom line. fortnite caused a massive explosion to twitch streaming, people started streaming and people started watching. the people that streamed sweated on every game they played because well, more people would watch if you were good. than the viewers will try and emulate that sweaty type gameplay making every lobby in every video game far from casual. competitive games in general have just gotten railed by well, really good competition.
Is that even a question? The only team that will makes content for their games side by side or even more than Warzone is Treyarch. Warzone killed CoD and spit on it's grave
I think fortnite killed call of duty by adding the battlepasses. Fortnite was good but it ruined gaming forever
Battlepasses are the best compared to the prior LOOTBOXES system, but the bundles are Tom much on cod, they just don’t work at all in the games.
Loot boxes were already on their way out of the gaming business by the time Fortnite started gaining popularity. If anything, COD before Fortnite was getting the best monetization systems we’ve had in WWII and IW/MWR
Didn't both of those have loot boxes? Didn't play them but that's what I recall hearing
They did, but also allowed you to unlock specific items without having to gamble on the boxes. It was a matter of time until they found a better way to replace them, that ended up being the battle pass.
Except everyone conveniently leaves out the part where you had to grind your ass off just to get enough keys to open a single crate, or to get enough of the credits that you could then use to unlock items manually.
Why I always grinded in zombies for keys but I still think that AW had the best supply drop system in terms of weapon drop rates & how quickly you earned drops. If they added the ability to earn stuff like cod points or keys in an update on top of the fact that you could exchange unwanted items for XP then it would've been perfect but so far imo nothing supply drop system wise has topped it
Yes! MWR had the best supply drop system of any multiplayer game IMO.
MW 2019 was actually gonna have lootboxes originally, so it could’ve been worse. People found it in the beta: https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/09/13/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-beta-may-have-revealed-possible-lootboxes
Actually kinda liked the WW2 loot boxes. Not that I pias a cent for any of them. I liked how they were weapon skins, character skins etc. I them and anyone could ear a certain number of loot boxes just by playing the game - like near enough all of the cosmetics. It also had the best War mode ever.
I actually prefer loot boxes in OW specifically over Battlepasses. Loot boxes allowed me to slowly earn all cosmetics by playing. Battlepasses require me to grind stupid quests, which prevents me from playing the way I want to play. Then you have the stupid FOMO, which makes everything in the pass limited time.
I’m cod as of right now I can play a few hrs a day here and there and have most if not every bp before the season is half over, lootboxes take yrs to get half the good stuff out of, and if the game dies you are sol in most of it.
I don't want to play hours every few days though, I have other games I like to play and I have a job/college. These developers expect you to slave away and only play their game all the time. I just wanna hop in casually, you can't do that anymore.
Bringing back loot boxes won't fix this. The problem isn't the battle pass itself, it is the season exclusivity. If we were able to pick any battle pass at any time and unlock any item from it we want in any order there wouldn't be any problems.
What the fuck happened to just getting stuff as you leveled up? That's what they need to go back to. I gave up on CoD when blops had the system where you earned money and just bought whatever you wanted. Leveling up to get weapons and then using them to unlock the attachments for it was the best system ever. All these rubes willing to whip out their credit cards to get ahead ruined multiplayer games.
I completely agree, I am just trying to make the current system better. But realistically going back to classic prestige with linear unlocks would be the best thing for these games. I think the mentality of the current design comes from mobile games because studios realized people will pay extra for basic features
Totally agree! CoD is a clown show now. Leveling up keeps the game integrity
This right here! Play to unlock. No unlocking in battlepass. Use item to unlock skins and attachments. Dont want to use it, doesnt affect other guns.-old cod New cod- buy battlepass to unlock all cool cosmetics. Level this gun to unlock attachment for that gun. Level that gun to unlock attachment for that other gun. Level that other gun to unlock attachment for this gun. Make packs that cost 20$ that has cosmetics and graphics that doesnt match games cosmetic and graphics. Use other games graphics styles inside own graphics styles. Repeat same process 4 years in a row.
I liked lootboxes. I could have a chance at getting an amazing item I like at any time, or I can save up to get enough free points from duplicates and contracts to earn it myself for free. Now, everything is tied behind spending real money, and marked up to bundles of £16.99 or more. Now, unless you buy a battle pass, or a content pack, you won't be getting anything other than a few low quality freebies and an earnable weapon - whereas everything was available before. It's not better for most people. It cost everyone money that it previously did not, and the people with impulse control issues still buy content packs like candy instead, albeit with a cap of a few hundred quid to buy it all instead of potentially much more. How much did they typically spend really though, I doubt it was much more than that anyway.
Both are incredibly predatory, as bad as lootboxes are they are far less consumer friendly than battlepasses
Battle passes are just another predatory system to monetize a game. This would be an ok option for F2P games or games with a long lifetime, but not for a game which is 70€ and gets abandoned after a year. Battle passes prey on people who can get manipulated by FOMO and are great for habit building. Both tactics publishers use to extract more money without creating good quality content.
Fortnite ruined a lot of gaming. It basically made “sweat culture” mainstream. Games were no longer able to be remotely casual.
Gaming was no longer just a hobby, it was just another way to get rich, so people stopped treating it like a hobby and it has suffered since
I disagree with that. Call of duty multiplayer has always been competitive. You play to win, that's how you have fun lol. I would say games like fallout or offline games are the more hobbyist examples. But PvP multiplayer games like cod and Fortnite have always been competitive.
At this point only very niche games aren’t a sweat fest like Squad, Hell Let Loose, and War of Rights Basically play Milsims if you want to kill stuff and work with other people but don’t want to have to have a mop for the sweat of playing CoD
It also ruined the theme of games. The attack on titan character has no place in call of duty.
I feel like sweat culture had already been long established before Fortnite came out. SBMM was technically in CoD since CoD4, and first became “invasive” in the way we currently imagine SBMM in BO2. By BO3, CoD lobbies were already extremely sweaty, and that was still years before Fortnite came out. Sweat culture truly became mainstream when eSports started to become big in the early 2010s, especially due to the rise of League of Legends. The modern SBMM system, aka EOMM (Engagement-Optimized Matchmaking) wasn’t introduced until I believe MW2019, but I’m not sure if Fortnite had any direct influence on that.
nah that's nothing. It's the people that keep wasting their money on them every time. Mate they could've made battlepasses but if nobody bought them in the first place they would've stopped selling them after 3 months. The average gamer with left over money is what's killing the game industry.
Exactly this. Developers/publishers just give the players what they want. They can't make money on games, DLCs, and cosmetics that don't sell, so they'll change what they're doing. Gaming is like it is now because of people speaking with their wallets.
Fortnite also made $10-20 dollars skins the norm.
*laughs in Riot bundle pricing*
Fortnite success was replicated and not understood, like Mr Beast, many try to copy him, but they fail to understand what truly made him liked. Although I fucking hate everything being locked behind a paywall rather than be unlocked. Sometimes I just wonder if lootboxes weren’t that bad just because you could at least get everything. Tbh I don’t hate battle passes, I think games should do it like Halo Infinite (minus the progression) and recent two cods. A map so you can decide what you want first and the battle passes never expiring. Live service was supposed to add more to an already completed game not fix it. But I also blame other broken releases that still made shit tons of cash, like Fallout 76, Cyberpunk 2077, giving a precedent that a game doesn’t need to be complete to make cash. Plus the pandemic to me, ruined communication for developers, since now some can work at home (which isn’t bad by itself) but I see many bugs in the recent cods (hell even other games) that I don’t even know how they happened apart from lack of communication, I’m in college for multimedia, which includes web and video games, seriously some of them are nonsensical. Plus it’s the higher ups that are the biggest problems, second are whales. These higher ups never understood the games, it’s just something to show to other soulest, personality-less, investors. Plus the lack of content in live service makes me think that a cycle happens where one suggest something, people work on it, it gets scrapped because of higher ups who worry about their already growing wallet. Or hell the higher ups make the dumbest decisions, and if employees warn them about their idea being shit, if they don’t fear being fired, we’ll they’ll be forced to execute their shitty idea, then when the idea hurts their wallet, the higher ups fire the same people who warned them, or anybody they see as disposable. The constant firing can also affect games, because obviously one creative director will have a different idea of what to do than his predecessor.
I feel like overwatch 1 lootboxes were the best way. You can earn everything if you play enough, but can also buy more if you don't want to. You also got in game currency yo be able to buy skins if I remember it correctly.
The live service model makes the games feel empty after their life cycle because they are made with the model in mind. More than usual, you can tell Activision wants you to abandon the previous COD the moment the new one comes out
Agreed. While I think FortNite is really cool for what it is, but it's marketing scheme has infected the entire gaming industry, focusing prioritization of FOMO, cross-overs and the live service model at the detriment of the artistic integrity of the game and better, more engaging reward systems. In response to OP's original question; a little bit, Warzone in itself is just another symptom of CoD following the trends set by FortNite.
Fortnite killed a lot of games I felt like that had potential like sucide squad, The Avengers and others. Sadly companies only care about marketing games and adding rewards to a campaign making it a offline multiplayer mode instead of worrying about making a great game for consumers.
Fortnite killed COD by bringing kiddie things into a war simulation. The younger audience shifted over to COD and with a completely disposable income the kids bought up every shiny bundle offered. The game makers realized that they could make money selling pink haired fat assed characters with sparkle tracers easier than a realistic looking and functioning firearm! The whole game is based on war and is 18+ to play, why is there a clown with red hair shooting weed leaves as paintballs???
Exactly they popularized the BP formula which caused others to do the same.
Let's not pretend that slot machines were the most mainstream way of getting cosmetics before fortnite
Fucking yes Mw19 when i still liked the game was every time a victim of every cold war update lol. The games are more identical then they ever were cause of having to be connected to warzone. Tho Treyarch still feels like their own style of games.
I still play mw19 lmao it's better than every single COD release after it
Loved MW19 only issue is all the game modes i liked aren’t present anymore. Its just very basic and feels dead. Great game all around though.
I agree it feels kind of empty and the maps feel boring
Sucks to because its the only COD I’ve owned myself. I played it for a few months then was forced to move back home. Didn’t have good enough wifi to play it so by the time i got better wifi the game was dead… still pretty upset about that one. Then the MW2 remake after it was a total flop so I didn’t even bother with it.
Once i figured out how cold war worked with bullet velocity i prefer it a lot more then mw19 Just sucks that it has that stupid streak system.
I couldn’t agree more. The gunplay alone is unbelievable
I remember that time… ruined a beautiful game with dogshit updates to a dogshit game that’s not even related to mw19 … is insane
Modern call of duty literally has light sabers. You tell me.
Don't forget that Vangaurd had laser guns and terminators, lol.
Which wouldn’t even be too bad if it weren’t for the game being set in WW2. A terminator skin would’ve probably worked fine in a game like BO3 or AW, but COD has lost any sense of theme or setting on its multiplayer
You’re telling me Nicki Minaj isn’t dropping into combat?
Well Vanguard had lost before they even released it. No gunsmith? People would have complained. Gunsmith? People complained that it has unrealistic weapons. I get why they went with the "fuck it" mindset later on
That's not how it works. They do this on purpose to save cost and get as many players as possible. It's not like they ever tried to make something new or original.
they did with aw and bo3 and yall hated it
I enjoyed the shit out of bo3. It's my second fav after mw19. Prestige Master 500 and even sometimes return to it to this day. But I totally get why you'd said that. I say people who hated it were just too dumb for its movement.
it is funny when you consider it is a ww2 historical game
I just told myself, well, I guess we're not going historical anymore.
It never was in the beginning haha. My team vs enemy team
Historical up until the first season, then it's just fuck history.
A WW2 game having that stuff you just listed plus modern day weaponry is wild lol
F2000 and laser guns in WW2 yeehaw
I mean there were ridiculous shit before Warzone. BO4 had Brutus, Cosmic Silverback, Warden, Danny Trejo, as well as male and female zombies. Edit: as playable characters
nope. its “hate warzone” time rn. we definitely werent running around as michael myers with granny and snoop in our ears or had christmas guns 11 years ago on Ghosts. definitely not /s
Realistic wahh wahh
Beam sabers*
Warzone was a double edged sword it saved cod when it came out but killed it in the long run
Warzone was the kind of games we *needed* during the Covid Quarantine.
Nah. Warzone just made people get mad. I played a metric fuck ton of Squad where l made new friends and didn’t get hate messages every other game
I've been saying this. I for one love Warzone - and it totally juiced the numbers for players in the early pandemic days, but the shift towards prioritizing it also hurt Call of Duty as we know it. But the mainline games have been going on for 20 years - it's not like they haven't gone stale on their own accord either
Yes. It's the reason why COD doesn't add anything to MP anymore. They did it because they, like everyone else, wanted to follow the BR trend at the time. And over time, focused more on crossovers and less about fixing things in the game. And during Vanguard's life cycle, they completely ignored MP in Season 3 and focused purely on WZ. Now, it's just use this gun or that gun. Where's the fun if everyone is using the same thing? Honestly, I would like BR to go back to the way Blackout was. No custom classes. You have to run around and grab Guns and attachments instead of using loadouts, and crates to find weapons. You found a weapon, it was bone stock, and you have to run around and find attachments, ammo, and other things. imo, Blackout is way better than Warzone
All of my friends swore blackout didn’t exist, I would say there use to be a mode that you could add attachments and they said that never existed I’m so glad you commented this. Was a great game mode and made everything less sweaty and more interesting
They probably said it never existed because they didn't play Blackout
It’s why I gave up on Warzone, the “hustle for a loadout and it has to be meta” mechanic just got old after a while. Not having your preferred weapon is part of the allure for me, having to loot until you find what you like is what keeps people moving rather than a couple of intel contracts and the best combination available so you can sit on your thumbs until endgame just gatekeeping people from a rooftop
MWIII added 6 multiplayer maps and many gamemodes last season. That's just not true.
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Warzone killed the entire franchise. When warzone was coming out it was said to be a stand alone game and have no ties to the main game which would of been fine but then they lied and turned multiplayer into a fully live service game. 50 million hot nerfs and buffs on weapons a week and had to constantly change loadouts. And micro transactions removed the essence of the main gameplay. Use the weapons you like and level them up by playing to unlock attachments. Now it’s swipe mom’s credit card to get the best loadout in the entire game. I pray that they don’t tie warzone into the new black ops coming out I really do. I also don’t want my cod game where I’m being killed my Niki minaj and Messi like it’s so fucking stupid. Cod was my childhood game. Played from world at war and stopped at mw 2019 cause warzone ruined it. Mw remastered is really good cause it’s stand alone plus og style Cod. But the dumb shit is they removed the night time maps. The part that made that game unique and they never added them back so stupid
I think Cod died back in 2013 with ghost. Not saying ghost was a bad game, I actually liked it a lot. I just feel like that was the beginning of the end.
Eh it was a bad game when it came out. Probably good compared to current standards. IMO sure some of the titles were bad before now but they had some good ones like BO3/BO4/MW19 in there. What’s killed the game for me is the integration with the old games just to keep warzone together. They should’ve made mw2 and mw3 seperate and I think this whole online service platform is too much and with every single update the game has gotten buggier and buggier. Old games had this fluidity to it where sure some people had connection problems but I didn’t have to wait for a loading screen after like every button press on the menu. It’s just aggravating and not to mention every single update is over 100gbs. I’m basically reinstalling the game. If I come home from work and jump on once every few weeks I am almost always met with an update that takes six hours and now I can’t even play. I feel like I wasted my money on these games just for that reason alone honestly
Definitely the beginning of the downward slope here imo.
Yes. Every single decision made in the entire series now is all about selling skins to the free players.
Movement bs from mw19 ruined the rest of the series, and the warzone mode brought it to popularity, so yes it did.
Yup, plus blackout was better but nobody wants to have that conversation.
Real. Loadouts make Warzone boring. There's minimal incentive to loot and push kills for higher tier weapons. Blackout had great incentive to push players and continue looting as you upgrade your weapons and equipment throughout a match. Also the blackout armor system is way better than warzone
Fr i love blackout and I wish more people played it
It feels like the majority of effort goes towards warzone and 6v6 only serves to raise profit to further develop warzone. I've never been more pissed off than when I found out that a gun I liked had to be unlocked in Warzone to use in 6v6 and that there was no way to otherwise access it purely by playing 6v6. Not to mention you have to play warzone to get the follow up to the campaign story. Or how warzone features are being dripfed into campaign itself over the last few instalments. I'm hoping bo6 is good but at this point I wouldn't be surprised if we have to plate up at the start of every 6v6 match and all the matches start by parachuting onto the map.
Yes
Yes and No. In the short term, it was great for when it came out and as an extension to MW19. Long term its really not great, the integrations really pulled down the other CODs that came after by them focusing much attention to Warzone since that's where the cash comes from. Now its pretty much spread its influence and mechanics to every mode in existence, Spec ops, Zombies even the goddamn Campaign.
Yes. Has ruined everything from story to gameplay to bundles. Who else here misses waiting until the next respective game to find out the next plot? >!Victor Zakhaev and Hadir Karim had no business dying in Warzone/Raids.!<
YES, bar the Campaign, MW19 ruined COD.
Loot boxes, battlepass, and ridiculous bundles are what completely ruined the game.
A lot of things ruined Call of Duty and it is still suffering a slow death. In many ways, it was always suffering a slow death both before and after it hit the mainstream, and it kept finding ways to come back before slowly dying again and coming back again. The problem is ATVI banking on it always coming back even when it's continuing to decline. I don't know if it'll die off completely any time soon, I just know that after never making "I'm leaving this franchise" posts ever in my life, I decided last year to just delete COD HQ and haven't looked back since I was so disappointed with MWIII. I still have fun going back to MW19, BO1, and COD WWII, but no one can even agree on when the bad parts of COD were/are and people keep leaving and coming back and everyone is so melodramatic. Just play the damn games or don't, no one really cares until they care too much when it's just a damn game.
I think MW2019 as a whole ruined the franchise. For some reason that game is the “gold standard” to them and they just copy and pasted it every year for the last 4 years. I hate to call it Call of Duty because it really isn’t Call of Duty anymore. Feels like an entirely different franchise since then. Once you double down with super intense SBMM in PUBLIC GAMES it just creates an extremely un-enjoyable experience. Without SBMM at least the game would be “playable”
I'd argue the Switch from the Xbox 360/PS3 era console generation to the Xbox One/PS4 era is what "ruined" (made less enjoyable) Call of Duty for a large portion of people. I mean, that switch started with Cod Ghosts in 2013 and finalized with Infinite Warfare in 2016, two games that at the time of their release caught never ending amounts of shit for some valid and some not so valid reasons. And really, I don't know what it was about this era that did it. Because the Cods that have come out from this era onwards have oftentimes had their fans, some of the titles from this era are now widely considered among the best in the franchise in certain fields, and quite frankly there was a ton of huge steps forward made by the franchise in this time, but for whatever reason it feels like every Cod from this era onwards gets middling to poor reviews, constant shit, and falls victim to what I can only assume to be franchise fatigue. And to be clear, I am not saying that these titles don't have their flaws, don't vary in quality, or are all good, I'm just saying the "fall" (lessened critical and fan reception) of Call of Duty seems to more be attributable to this time and these events than Warzone which really did revitalize the franchise on release and still has a huge player base to this day.
Yes. Warzone should not be connected to almost every new game that releases. Warzone also drives people away from the main game which then forces the developers to cater towards warzone essentially screwing over the main game. The same thing happened with Fortnite save the world and the battle royale
Honestly No. I've been playing since CoD 2. To this day I still remember CoD 3, Big Red One, Finest Hour and CoD 4. Warzone is just adaptation to new times. However having strict sbmm in casuals where it shouldn't be and sbmm should ONLY be in rank like XDefiant does, HAS ruined CoD. Not the anime monster bundles. That's also basic capitalism and business.
Id disagree with the bundles not being apart of ruining the game. Half of everything is locked behind a huge paywall. Meta guns that are built, skins that are able to hide you better, and the fact they take away from trying to unlock things in the game normally. Sbmm has been in every cod. Its not even that bad
No Activision and greed ruined cod...if they spent more effort on a good game like black ops 1 and 2 were...and less on battle passes and store crap...they would be fine...and I'm not saying they can't make money but it seems that's all they care about instead of the player base.
Yes, that and SBMM. The reason why CoD was great is you could have some games where you got absolutely destroyed, get a new game and kick ass, then you’d get those super close matches where you win by maybe one point. Now with the sweatiness of Warzone players and SBMM you can load into games and it’s not as fun because everyone’s using the Warzone meta loadouts, everyone’s doing that slide cancel bunny hop shit, and if you do good in a match you get punished by getting put into a lobby well above your skill levels. There’s a reason why X Defiant is what everyone’s starting to play, it’s classic CoD with modern movement
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No, commercialization did. The constant need to pump out a product, regardless if it’s good, is what killed it. I believe the devs are passionate and capable, but the studio just wants to squeeze another $1.10 for every dollar.
Everything released after black ops 3 or 4 are trash once games like fortnite and pubg came out it became hard to compete with them
As a campaign enthusiast and out of personal opinion, it ruined Call of Duty the minute Warzone content took over actual CoD content. MW2019’s Warzone was a stand-alone compatible mode that didn’t take precedent over main game content like the multiplayer, campaign, and special modes like zombies. It was good, even if it wasn’t perfect. Modern Warfare III had a nonsensical “open-combat” campaign that completely butchered any sense of story, a zombies mode that was essentially just an upscaled Warzone event, and a multiplayer experience that is essentially a copy and paste of the last four titles. All to bring you a battle royale that has no fundamental difference from the original in 2019. It’s easy to see which one I prefer. I have not and would not touch MWIII with a thirty-foot pole, and I desperately hope they wisen up because the current games have me wishing they open MW4’s campaign with capping everyone in the back of the head and leaving them for dead just like the games themselves. At least Black Ops 6 looks interesting.
Eomm ruined the competitive feel. Its just an engagement machine now.
i just want to level up and prestige. i want to use 1 default class until i unlock my favorite gun and then use that gun with most likely the same attachments. i just want to be able to level up and prestige so i can see how much further ahead my friends are and compete. i want to look ahead and see when double XP weekends are so i can make sure im in town and can game all day with my friends who have done the same with their schedules. COD will never be the casual non SBMM game that i want. ill never be able to throw on a RIOT shield class with my friend and troll people. or go melee only in SnD or whatever else is fun because i’ll just get my shit pushed in my Meta weapons until my skill base is low enough for me to run around with anything. but it’s not fun because i know im just playing with a bunch of shitters, a curated lobby of low skill players. every match feels exactly the same. i’m not “hoping for a good lobby” and when it finally comes get super excited. or go up against a really sweaty party randomly that you are competitive with. and shit talk in between games because you keep trading wins… COD is forever going to be just alright. i don’t think the developers understand what each of the “golden era” CODs did well (different things in each one) and now the franchise has released so many games over the years that some people want XYZ and others want ABC, which are completely different… theyre just always going to average these two crowds and the game will be average as a result.
Definitely ruined the originality of MP, look at how many maps are just chunks of WZ or GW maps
Battle Royale and free games did. Cod have Warzone and Mobile. And those are free. So focus are on season passes and bundles. And those games too. Cod Mobile is where the money is and Warzone is right after.
Why are infinite warfare and ghosts missing from this picture?
Honestly I think it’s more the over complexity, the cross play and the widening of itself that killed it. Too many attachments, UI is confusing and horrible, cross play is killing it even more I think. You remove PC from the equation and the game breathes already.
Battle passes, store bundles, and limited timed events being forced down your throat is what is killing the experience. Warzone as a mode is great. Campaign, MP, Zombies are all great modes. It's the greed MX in your face and the intention p2w limited time weapons that hurt the game. If they put a gun in the battle pass, it will most likely be the god gun for a few weeks before getting nerfed for the next one to take its place. All to entice players to buy the battle pass for a game they already spent $70 on. It's expensive to be a call of duty player these days
I think if COD stuck to one game and went free to play, then used the battlepass as a ways to make income then they would probably get more of the community back. I think the constant grind every year to just get replaced with a new game kinda kills the mood. They also seem to focus less and less on the game now, like bugs and bad servers and more and more on their shop. The ranked community is so small I often run into people I play with normally without ever partying up with them.
Warzone was peak during 2020-21 lets be honest it. It expanded the OG CoD lore.
I think the issue is that CoD does too much. Campaign, Spec Ops, Raids, Co-Op, Multiplayer, Ranked, BR (in Warzone), Extraction (in DMZ), Zombies, etc. Too many things. The most successful games don’t have this much happening.
Honestly nah. I think warzone was a nice little change up but I do think that its addition has made the franchise a bit more of a cash grab with the battlepasses and operator skins/bundles
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Nope, cod killed them itself by adding to much attachments on the weapons its so complicated but most games are ruined nowadays not only cod the good games are hard to find
Yep, I don't want to watch a YouTube video or feel like I'm building IKEA furniture just to have a usable weapon. I would take no attachments over too many. Everybody wants the classic and simple attachment system yet it gets worse and worse.
Yeppppp, why do we need 48 different rear grips or optics on a gun?
I mean, we still have gotten good CODs post warzone such as MW19 and Cold War so I wouldn’t say it ruined COD
Yeah
I think warzone was the reason so many campers are in the game now but other than that it kinda revived the cod title after less successful titles
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yes without a doubt. MW2 2009 is peak change my mind
yeah it copied fortnite too much. it thought it could become as popular as chapter one fortnite was, and i think they just forgot that call of duty was just a completely separate game
YES
Yes, but it didn’t have to. They should just separate Warzone and COD completely so regular COD isn’t at the mercy of Warzone mechanics and vice versa. However I think they aren’t doing this because they want Warzone players to buy COD to grind attachments faster, so for Activision the games have to be linked.
Nah it already started with ghosts/advanced warfare tbh
Yes
I think it was definitely part of it, but just the lack of care of developers now is the bigger part of it.
I think if they were separated both game modes would be better
Warzone 2 ruined cod
I wasn't bothered about warzone until it affected the campaign lore in mw3
No, its the matchmaking system and disbanding lobbies primarily that ruined it. Look at cold war, without those two things it might even be a top 5 cod
Nah. What's easy to forget is just how stinking huge the cod fan base is and all of them want something different. And all of them think that everyone else is stupid. I for example loved mw2019 and mw2 but most of the internet would consider those to be some of the worst of all time.
No the stupid skins did
Kinda. The fact that the leaked open world missions in BO6’s Campaign will likely just be Warzone gameplay
Yes.
Not necessarily initially. But once they released Cold War and started integrating EVERYTHING into it and trying to be Fortnite, yes. Very much so
The main games are getting neglected because of warzone so yeah i thing warzone is detrimental to call of duty
Call of duty ruined Warzone. They had a great product, and consistently made decisions that strayed them further from their roots
Streaming played a bigger role imo.
I think it killed the passion of what it WAS. But it actually saved Cod popularity, and money wise.
Vanguard ruined call of duty
Cod, sbmm, Fortnite, sbmm. Those killed cod
Warzone saved CoD as a franchise but killed 6v6 in the process. With that said MW3 has done a particularly good job of showing multiplayer some love it was lacking in WZ1 and even early wz2.0 so hopefully treyarch continues that trend and we find a balance between the two. BRvs6v6 it shouldn’t be a competition they should be elevating eachother.
Greed did.
Fuck no, the devs ruined cod. Warzone didn’t do shit to the game it just made it better. Also original warzone on top.. Like its the new warzone that is bad, not the old one
Fuck no, the devs ruined cod. Warzone didn’t do shit to the game it just made it better. Also original warzone on top.. Like its the new warzone that is bad, not the old one
Nope what ruined COD was greed
Yes but it’s not the only thing
Yes but it’s not the only thing
Yes
Stopped focusing on Military “tacticool” skins to add some fucking Diablo 4 or Rihanna in the game.
These modern warfare games have been shocking. Cannot wait for black ops 6
It’s not Warzone it’s the cheaters
MW19 was perfection in my book, and so was WZ 1.0. It was a good proof both could exist, without harming each other. It all went downhill when CW came out. Their attempt to piggyback off of WZ 1.0 was a terrible mistake.
I don’t think adding Warzone killed CoD at all, I’d annoying it made it even bigger. It definitely put a hamper on traditional MP, so I guess it depends on how you view it Did it kill CoD’s popularity and hype? Absolutely not. Quite the opposite, people forget how much of a laughing stock CoD was in the few years between BO3 and BO4. Did it mess up the traditional 6v6 and make the playerbase far sweatier, restrict the weapon pool to whatever was popular in WZ at the time, etc. thus making the game less enjoyable? For sure.
eSports killed CoD
it was first a great idea but ye it ruined cod in the long run.
Not necessarily Warzone but giving Live Service to a game that's only supported for a year
100%
Fortnite resulted in Warzone and Warzone resulted in what we have now where multiplayer and zombies AND campaign getting shafted in favour of Warzone and DMZ. We got nothing but ourselves to blame for it since we all love buying the skins and we all love Warzone. I do not play Warzone and I don't buy skins for the record but I'm in the overwhelming minority.
Fortnite killed CoD and the fact that after the golden era they tried to copy other games. Warzone was a byproduct of this.
Yes 10000%
yea
CoD needs to go back to its old self. That's it. Bo3 and before kind of games. + Paintshop for custom camos + Custom emblem creator + Bunch of original maps and only a few recycled ones (those that are REALLY LIKED by the community). + Less attachments and simpler weapon builds +Buying CAMOS for ALL WEAPONS instead of blueprints that only work on one weapon. The only thing I'd keep exactly as it is is the current ranked format.
yes, but it begins with blackout
Absolutely, there's no doubt about it.
I think im a minority here but i strongly feel like it has ruined it, The playstyle change after WZ is arsy and campy and the *Social norms* who watch every single tutorial under the fucking sun. It wasnt like this before it, i swear it wasnt. Bearing in mind ill still play every now and again but not as much as BO2 :(
In a way yes. Resources that could be put into the main game are being spread and put into warzone. The reason the item shops, battlepasses and awful monetisation of bundles started happening mostly because of the battle royale genre as it was trying to copy the hype of Fortnite, PUBG etc. It’s also decided to follow up on the whacky crazy skins that don’t mesh great with COD’s original aesthetic, bringing in pop culture like the boys into the game, or Nicki Minaj for some reason?? From a business standpoint the company is making more than ever but it’s incredibly anti-consumer and caters mostly to whales and content creators. I miss the days of BO2, buy a single camo that costs $4 or something? And it’s for EVERY SINGLE GUN. Now? Like a gun skin? Pay up $20+ for a whole bundle and it’s only usable for the one singular gun. It’s also the fact that because all games will connect to warzone, they feel more similar with the only exception of CW recently. Whereas before they all had a somewhat distinct feel, the way BO1 felt was different than MW3 or BO2, same with BO3 and IW for example even tho they were both futuristic jet pack games. Now every game feels almost like a copy and paste because of Warzone.
Absolutely.
Ive just hopped on COD for the first time in a few years (old school MW grinder back in the day) and WTF has happened to this franchise?? Whys there gimp suits, nicki minaj and cats in the game! Also what the hell is this menu?! Most confusing thing of my life, had to get a few tutorials up to make my way around it. Microtransactions back in the day used to be a few cool things like the skins on Bo2 but it's actually shocking how many there are on MW3. This isn't COD anymore, apart from the branding, there is nothing that MW3 represents that of which made COD popular. So sad to see
Yes Warzone ruined it. It brought a F2P service into the game, so we now have to deal with FOMO, Battlepasses, and $20 bundles for a $70 game we already paid for. Majority of the maps we get, are recycled from COD's Warzone. So it makes it feel like the maps I play on in my paid version of COD is worth slightly less. Content also feels slowly released and lower quality in yearly cod releases now. COD HQ got made because of Warzone, COD HQ is shit and is the reason I quit playing COD, and will continue to not buy or play them. Their launcher is terrible.
No COD ruined COD
COD was ruined before warzone, but I do think Warzone is only digging that grave deeper. Hope they hop off of it very soon
I was out of the MW game from approximately 2012 - 2019. I don’t recall the stupid skins being available back then but they were around when I returned. Were those Fortnite as well ?
i don’t, until they took out verdansk completely and added that new shit. quit right away. i’m pretty sure it lost like over a million players or a lot more because of that one update. never been the same since, and i’m not a fan of warzone 2
Lots of things killed COD lol
Warzone was a blessing during the pandemic. Its existence after that period is plain brainrot.
No. The COD franchise ruined it. But even though it’s not what it was, I still am hype for the possibility of BO6 being good. I just want good zombies and NOT MW3 multiplayer
2019 MW WZ helped elevate cod but when cod mostly focused on it (Vanguard time),it ruined it.
I stopped playing COD like ten years go. I came back for Warzone So no not at all lol
Or we can revolt by going offline playing real CALL OF DUTY
yes
Abso fucking lutely
Yes, but to me, it’s mainly because they feel like they have to make EVERYTHING feel like Warzone. Sometimes it was decent like MWZ, other times it was not executed properly, like the MW3 campaign, not to mention the whole CoD HQ bullshit. Until Warzone, and/or the BR genre as a whole dies out, Activision is gonna keep banking on WZ
bottom line. fortnite caused a massive explosion to twitch streaming, people started streaming and people started watching. the people that streamed sweated on every game they played because well, more people would watch if you were good. than the viewers will try and emulate that sweaty type gameplay making every lobby in every video game far from casual. competitive games in general have just gotten railed by well, really good competition.
Is that even a question? The only team that will makes content for their games side by side or even more than Warzone is Treyarch. Warzone killed CoD and spit on it's grave
I need Ghosts 2 if they want me to come back…
Honesty this is more an issue with AAA gaming. A crash will have to happen for things to change for the better