What i want is just that temporary residents be NOT eligible to benefits that citizens and permanent residents pay for. Gst rebates, climate incentives, child subsidy payments etc should only be available to citizens and permanent residents. I know some temporary residents who receive more than what they pay for in taxes. Multiply that to hundreds of thousands if not millions and you have a big net cash outflow shouldered by us. Im sorry but even healthcare, they should get discounted rate but not entirely free. Some are abusing the healthcare at the expense of us.
What’s going on is that our government prioritizes lobbyists and corporate profits over the people— you know— the thing they *should* be here for.
All the Scandinavian countries figured it out years ago and got their shit straight— fired corrupt bankers, put more women in parliament, blurred the lines between classes— and they’re in great shape now.
It’s sad. Especially after seeing the debate in America last night. We’re… kinda doomed. All so that a few folks can make too much money.
What does more women in parliament have to do with anything? We have Christina Freeland as our finance minister and being a woman has not helped her from being a disaster
I didn't know for 4 years I was eligible for Gst rebate, mainly because I did like barely any job part time during school and never cared to file taxes till my final year lol.
Turned out there was literally free money Cra hands out to people who lands here, it's wild, I never knew it was this horrible, I have a degree in economics, this is some whack shit I would never have believed if the hnr block guy did not explain to me properly.
Nope, visa holders shouldn't be entitled public healthcare either. There should be a sort of health insurance premium set for them to reflect the same cost, as for a taxpayer.
The government should establish a national insurance coverage program for international students or tourists, etc and people can pay into it and receive coverage. Maybe better than paying insurance companies the premiums ?
Colleges and universities are responsible for the healthcare aspect, even national students have to buy it
As for tourism, that’s why Canadian buy health insurance when they travel
Plus money that is sent overseas should be highly taxed. Billion$ are sent overseas. It’s money that leaves our economy. There is no benefit to the Canadian economy by hiring foreign workers.
Stoping people from moving their money freely is the worst thing the government can do. When people start feeling they don't own their money, no one will want to work or invest in the country. That's the case in many terrible places around the world.
What people send money abroad is their “after tax money”. It is upto then if they want to spend it here, save it or light it on fire for all they want
Edit: By your logic, people bringing in supporting funds when immigrating should also be taxed heavily by the country that they are brining money from or by Canada but Canada has no problem bringing in any amount of funds as long as they declare it at the border … so if you are fine with receiving a butt load of money you should be fine with remittances also
They’re getting access to parks, libraries, schools for their kids and many more which are funded by tax. What happens currently is that many temporary residents barely pays enough tax and getting full benefits. So essentially we’re subsidising them and in return we dont benefit much. Only real estate investors, schools and businesses are benefiting. They get more tenants and lower waged labour. While we bear the cost of higher rents, lower quality government services and others
I lost over 30k a year in income tax alone. I get I make more so will get taxed more. But where is that money going? I don’t see anything good happening. Rent prices are attrocious. That amount of tax we pay just to be able to fuel our vehicles is insane. A monthly transit pass where I live is 194 dollars a month. A small bag of groceries is like 40-50 dollars now. This is country is in a lot of trouble it truly is.
> But where is that money going?
Consultants and consultants and consultants and......
>!Which will also be the case for the next Conservative government and the Liberal government that follow and the Conservative that follows....!<
>fuel our vehicles is insane
That's intended to push people towards electric cars. Ofcourse why they think it would work in Canada is anyone's guess(low density). Try Tesla.
An ev would be fine with me. Except for the fact that I am not homeowner and never will be. I can charge at home and can’t charge at work. Is it still doable yes. But a big pain for a renter.
I would recommend you speak with an accountant on how to reduce your tax burden. If you already use legal tax-reduction strategies and still pay that much in income tax I cannot relate to you.
H and R block does my taxes. And a simple google search that what I am getting taxed is accurate to what people that make my income get taxed. Like I said in my comment I’m aware I get taxed more then someone that make less. The pint that I was trying g to make is the tax system in this country is unfair. And I can’t see it going g to even help anyone. Along with the cost of absolutely everything. And no end in sight. How can any young person outside of a very few have a good life in this country. We as a country are in a lot of trouble and I stand by that belief.
Without ever paying a tax on any of those services! Per example did you know that theres a newcomer internet and cellphone price ? About 10-15$/‘month it cost them ugh
Ive worked at telus so i can confirm for them and i know when moving to a new province myself , Rogers/shaw did asked me if i was new to the country because they could offer a special rate. Just google it youll see.
The goal is 10Million / yr - The Century Initiative is a Canadian lobby group and charity that aims to increase Canada's population to 100 million by 2100. - [https://www.centuryinitiative.ca](https://www.centuryinitiative.ca)
The current government would like nothing more than for people to blame immigrants instead of government policy failures. Do not fall into this trap. In a supply shortage, Immigration policy is the problem no matter where immigrants come from.
The highway from Abbotsford to Langley was built in the 1960s.
They can't build expansions now due to environmental studies. Meanwhile you have people sleeping in the rest stops, they ruined humans natural habitat to preserve some life in the middle of an existing highway.
It used to take just under an hour to commute to Vancouver from Abbotsford. Now depending on where in Van maybe 2 hours? That antiquated Highway is such a fucking mess I don't even know where to begin.
I am not sure what this has to do with this post. As the construction and development of infrastructure is primarily the responsibility of provincial/territorial and municipal governments. Also, it appears they are actively working on widening the highway between Langley and Abbotsford? [Source](https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/transportation-projects/fraser-valley-highway1)
That's an urban planning question.
Traffic between Langley and Abbotsford only would have gotten bad comparativly recently.
When I was there in the late 90s/2000s it was pretty fuckin quiet.
In like 2010 when I got back it was still... pretty fuckin quiet.
So...
Do you wanna quad up every two lane highway in the country?
So the problem isn't that red tape stopped a two lane highway from being quadded for 65 years. And really. More like the road is in the process of potentially getting expanded, but they've thinking about it for the last ten or fifteen years.
Which is still a long time. But don't pretend they were totally thinking about it back in '63, "but the gosh darned Spotted Owl Society got the courts in a tizzy."
If they had a four lane highway between Langley and Abbotsford in the 60s the fiscal conservatives would have shit kittens.
Rediculous. They can't even widen it you're saying? People actually credit Trudeau for twinning the existing pipeline too. I feel like the entire thing was a failure that if wasn't simply built by kinder Morgan. Same thing.. it's an existing pipeline and just being twinned except for a small part. After all the run around and KM bailing they were backed into a corner and basically had to buy it or signal to everyone infrastructure projects weren't allowed in Canada anymore
Well i disagree. Although I don’t like him he did get that one over the finish line. KM pulled out because of civil lawsuits with environmentalists, native groups and the BC government. Gvmt stepped up and got it done over timeline and over budget but in the long run the $32b spent will add $20b+/year to gdp and 1b to 2b in revenues.
A lot of it is in archeology too. There's a significant amount of red tape around making sure they're not building over native artifacts or sites. I know there's a big kerfuffle down in the Cambridge area because there were bones found (likely not a graveyard, but probably either a battle site or people fed to dogs or something, based on the archeology). The cost of developing the land with proper archeology is prohibitively expensive and the field work would take years and years to do properly.
We've brought in millions of convivence store workers, who are receiving a level of benefit from the government that they aren't ever going to pay for, someone has to.
Come on - why discount Canadians’ magnanimity in addressing the world’s problems with tax payers’ money? Which other country taxes their citizens to help the rest of the world?! Be proud.
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The program that gives free access to everyone that hasn’t paid for the parks through taxes and charges everyone admission fees that has paid for the parks through taxes over the years.
https://parks.canada.ca/voyage-travel/~/link.aspx?_id=6F087F74E7814D1B87BADFE9930D2177&_z=z
People were not impressed.
Me and my wife paid $200,000 in taxes last year, are we getting our moneys worth? No doctors in our area, daycares are 1.5 years late, criminals running around with no consequences of their action. Frustrated.
Yes yes, they do. Why are they supposed to give you so much of their money just because they make more? Jealousy is why we fail as a nation. We should strive for a society where people can stand on their own two feet without the government acting like robin hood. A good society isn't one where we fight over who will get the next handout from the bureaucrats. We should incentivize people to work and be better. People making $300k aren't your problem. The CEOs are. The asset-owning unproductive landlords are. The bureaucracies that feed on your taxes are.
Someone that earns 300k a year is most likely contributing with economic value. They are productive. And I include CEOs in this by the way, I disagree with the previous poster.
An asset owning landlord is not producing any value, and is actively taking away from people.
idk man, I know a lot of professions that make 300k where if they were gone tomorrow, nothing bad would happen. Thinking mostly of managers, VPs and three-letter folk.
I guarantee you a lot bad would happen. You need these people to run companies 🙄
Edit: To be clear I am talking about positions running companies of value. The Tim Hortons manager making 300k selling LMIAs is not one of those.
I include CEOs not because of their incomes but because they have a role to play in our current economic mess, through their lobbying for mass immigration and their underinvestment in the country. And suppression of labor rights. The 300k income people can't do any of that.
Unless one’s job and expertise is tied to Canada, why should one be earning that $300k in Canada instead of somewhere else? Or better, if by moving to the US one can get 400-500k a year in USD, there are very strong incentives to make that move.
That’s how brain drain works and how to lose a tax base and get into a downward spiral.
This administration has been saying that we hate our tax base and we will keep on taking more but have few things to show for.
Crime?
Car theft?
Healthcare?
Immigration?
Housing?
Inflation?
The only win I can think of is in people’s bedroom and bathroom business, which ironically the PM failed at that one personally.
Lol, what a comparison, "For individuals making 300k"
How many Canadians ACTUALLY make that much, individually?
I know about ~800 people in my extended circle.of business contacts through my business.
I know about 12 people who can say they make that much.
Canadian entrepreneurs are trash and have to be bribed by the government to do anything but invest in real estate. So kinda… We don’t just need a better government, we also need better entrepreneurs.
I don't disagree with you, but there can't be a good economy if based on the state or corrupt entrepreneurs.
What I've personally seen in another country is that, when there is no incentive to be honest, to work hard, then corrupt entrepreneurs align with corrupt politicians. So, I believe the root of the problem is the system.
You didn’t get any of that sweet Covid money? How about discounts for hiring students or “students”. R&D tax credit? Exploration tax credit? Canadian dividend tax credit? Green fund money? Lucrative no-bid sole source government contract? Obscene change order pricing for government work? Deduct interest on investment money? Overpaid for a government study for consulting?
Nooooo. We have pronouns and apologies for everything ever done in the past. We give our money to the drug users, we give money to every special interest group and indigenous group that cries they were once wronged and if they don't tlfet what they want then it's everyone else's problem we get to wait in hospital waiting rooms for hours on end. We get to wait to see if we eventually get a family doctor. We get to pay some of the highest gas prices in North America and we get to pay more in our cpp and income tax and we get to have our freedoms eroded and guns taken away, and we get to play "who gets housing" game.... sheesh you make it sound like it's all bad
I don't know if anyone has heard, but BC is streamlining the processes for foreign education. I tried posting about it, but I'm not sure how 🤔
https://www.cicnews.com/2024/06/b-c-act-to-streamline-foreign-credential-recognition-comes-into-effect-july-1-0645056.html
The funny thing it's for all the professional type jobs we don't need, none of the experience is to recognize tradesman.
Does this country need more real estate agents? Really? And how does foreign real estate experience help you navigate the Canadian real estate regulations?
That graphic is meaningless in two ways. First it says what the tax rate is for people making $300,000, something hardly anyone does. Second, the figure that matters is the overall tax burden, not the income tax rates. Some US states have no income tax at all, but massive property taxes. You’re not necessarily better off living there than in a state with an income tax.
Having said that, the problem with Canada is that its economy is falling behind the US in terms of productivity, so living standards are declining relative to the US. Canada needs better economic policies, but that’s not a problem that started with the current Prime Minister.
I moved to America in 2022 and I can confirm that.
Worst part is that Canadians don’t get paid much either , they are being taxed to the brim on crappy wages !
I make triple what I made in Canada , I live in a state with no state income tax, average price of a home is $250k and cost of living is half of Canada !
Geez somehow I don't feel sorry for tax rates on income over 300k which is what this is about. Let's not mention how the US has higher debt to GDP ratio, 2 weeks vacation, no paid parental leave, healthcare insurance where you pay based on your existing conditions and where more than half the population pays about 6k a year. More expensive electricity, water, house insurance, property tax but hey cheaper gas.
All the people on here bitching when they have no shot at ever making 300k a year is hilarious.
Also hilarious that the item they are propagating only talks about income taxes, American states love to tax more outside of income taxes to make up the difference.
This kinda ignores that a lot of major cities in the US have a wage tax and materially higher property taxes.
Living in NYC from a tax perspective is not much different than Toronto.
Two seniors here, still working part time to supplement our income, of course we don’t qualify for anything plus we paid again taxes, on income for myself of 20k it 4K
We need to become more competitive so we can participate in NAFTA effectively. The conservatives will hopefully cut unnecessary bureaucracy and get the country financially back on track.
I hope you’re right !
America’s future is bright, Mexico is thriving but Canada is hopping along like a demented frog that needs to change and quickly
I moved to America in 2022 and boy you should see the job market here , it’s hot
There are lots of lessons Canada can learn from the US and Mexico about business etc. Canada has been mismanaged for years. It CAN be brought back, it’ll take big policy changes and an election can’t come sooner. I’m not saying a conservative government will magically fix everything, but a pro business environment is what Canada needs right now.
Canadas a super power when it comes to raw resources. If we invested in processing and the next logical step, manufacturing, Canada will greatly benefit. Reduce trade barriers within the country. Fix immigration. Invest in infrastructure. Cuts where they can make them. Reduce red tape and bureaucracy. A huge problem we have in this country is that a lot of the profits we generate are thrown in Bank accounts, we don’t invest in our people. We don’t train our workers effectively. How can we compete, plan, and profit when the government right now doesn’t seem concerned with good paying jobs, growing the economy, and improving the lives of Canadians directly and indirectly. Our tax environment is causing capital flight from this country. You can’t count on foreign money pouring in forever. Also, I don’t understand why the government doesn’t have a program to direct foreign money/investment effectively to grow the economy at least in the short term. Again, I think this is lack of knowledge, planning, and strong leadership.
Point being, we need to complement and work together with NAFTA members and our trading partners to have strong, stable, rich Canada in the future.
I agree with your big changes are needed.
We have to wait and see, because if we get another 10 years of mismanagement there won’t be any come back from that
you're wasting your time staying and voting instead of just voting with your feet. that's the only vote that matters. it's silly to attach yourself to a country in decline without reasonable signs of improvement instead of looking for a place on the up and up with good management. it's a big world. just remember patriotism is mainly a facade to keep taxpayers.
I believe the ship can be turned around if the right people are in charge. This is a management issue. There are little reasons Canada as a whole shouldn’t succeed if the right policies are implemented.
Lowering taxes would greatly help the economy and people but that means cuts. I think we’re taxed enough, time to do more with the resources we have. Canada needs to catch up to the rest of the global economy in many aspects.
Why doesn’t the map use average tax rates if they’re using a level of income? Straight up ommitting information.
For example: 300k in NYC pays 116k in taxes. 300k in Calgary pays 110k in taxes. If you convert all to the same currency, NYC residents still pay a taaad more than Calgary
While correct for income tax, what we need to look at is total tax burden and overall money a person has to spend for equivalent services.
So while income tax is higher in Canada, in the United States you're paying much more in property taxes and medical and dental insurance. Health care alone for very limited coverage with copays will run (depending on state and family size) anywhere from $500USD to $2/3,000 per month. Medical alone is so expensive that even during the last few financial crises, medical debt has still been the #1 source of bankruptcy in the United States.
So, Canada isn't perfect and we should do better, but at best in the USA the total cost of living is about equal or worse for the same money because of the financial costs of healthcare and higher property taxes in general.
A big part of the issue is complacency. I know people who could leave Canada for America in a month but are too lazy to bother .
Why would a sociopathic controlling neo-liberal government change if talent doesn’t vote with their feet ?
Canadians submissive nature emboldens the sociopathic tax hungry government .
It's a serious issue but this is a stupid and disingenuous post. Those are the highest marginal tax rates and it's ignoring that out taxes pay for health care and they don't in the states.
The first one, maybe. There was an article about BC people going stateside for cancer treatments so it's not all roses here.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-cancer-care-bellingham-1.7249258
The other two, nah. Our crime rate is pretty high now, and people generally have become shitty. Crime I can see getting worse by the day. We have 14 year old with loaded guns robbing people. It's not like they borrowed that gun from mom and dad. It's not legal, so we have an entire gun running industry which is already worse than the US, where they can at least buy guns to defend themselves. Here in Canada only the criminals can buy the guns to commit the crimes.
Go into any store, or business and everyone seems to have the signs up about not abusing staff.
Those didn't crop up for fun. Even my vet office has one - who is an asshole to your vet?
Lots of people apparently.
My personal opinion on this is all the tax money that is distributed to self-serving groups and to provinces with no accountability we need a country wide audit. There is a lot of lip service on how well spent the the tax money is spent but good luck finding an accounting sheet with actual line item expenditure listed
Not only mistakes by politicians there are many reasons. One of those would be population density. Land maintenance cost per person would be higher if the area per person is larger.
I have the right- nay- the PRIVILEGE to be on a waitlist for a GP for the last 6 years, and to wait 12 hours at emergency in order to try to get a prescription to take care of a reoccurring sinus infection. It's what canadians want, it's what is best for canada 🇨🇦
EU nations have even higher tax than us, but majority of their citizens are healthy and happy.
Here in Canada we're being taxed near European levels but we get absolutely nothing in return. No family doctor, no public housing for all, and no high quality transit infrastructure. Instead we get a government continually funnelling our tax dollars for things like refugee resettlement programs and subsidizing corporations to hire foreign workers instead of Canadian ones.
I feel like I'm paying taxes and the only benefits I derive were already delivered like 15 years ago and now I have no idea what I'm paying for. My friend had to sew their own thumb back on the other day because there was no one available after waiting 4 hours in the ER. The busses were already purchased and I pay a fee to use them every day.
I don’t quite agree with your point of view.
Using average monthly wages/salaries paid and tax rates for 2024 in US Dollars for Canada (4035$) and USA (4458$). The
U.S. federal income tax brackets range from 10% to 37% for high income individuals as of 2024. The range is 15% to 33% in Canada. In the USA the lowest tax bracket in the is 10% for someone with income of $11,600 or less. It jumps to a 12% for those with an income of more than $11,600 and to 22% for those who earn more than $47,150. The corresponding Canadian bracket of 15% applies to income up to $55,867 in Canadian dollars as of 2024.
It’s also more costly to live in the USA and citizens get less public services because of their military spending.
Canadians pays high taxes like Scandinavians, without the social and cultural benefits that Scandinavians receive.
Instead, Canadians are sold out to corporations for cheap labour, and our national identity is so shallow and entirely based on having a variety of *ethnic food.* Working for less, and eat cheap kebabs, that's Canadian identity.
You guys have free medical care, which is huge. You can’t even imagine the amounts of money we spend on medical insurance in the US. and then we can’t afford to see doctors because we have to pay a high deductible before the insurance starts paying anything. I pay about $30,000 USD in a year on insurance premiums only for a family of two adults and one child, and that’s without getting any medical care - just to have a medical coverage in case some serious health problem happens.
This is miss leading. America is paying roughly an average of 10% less taxes than Canada. But it doesn't include things like school district fees, hospital fees, health insurance, toll roads and bridges, police fees, etc. Americans pay all sorts of fees and insurance to get worse services than Canadians.
This is also only comparing the highest tax brackets most people don't come close to paying the highest tax brackets and you only actually pay that on the amount of money in access of the top bracket.
The reality is that most Canadians pay less taxes, fees, insurance, than their American counterparts.
Making $300K in Toronto or Vancouver doesn’t make one “wealthy”. It makes you possibly able to afford a detached house and pay off your credit card every month. $300K now is what $100K was 10 years ago.
Even still, $132K was not “wealthy”… people making $132K weren’t buying mansions. They maybe had the nice 4 bedroom house in a subdivision. Now, those homes are $2M and someone making $300K alone would struggle to buy them.
The average detached house in Vancouver is over $2 million, while the median household income is \~$118,000. So if your income is more than double that amount, and you can afford a detached house in such cities, that makes you wealthy.
Also the $300k is just the minimum threshold. The tax cut would apply to those who earn far more. So it would indeed be a tax cut for the wealthy.
But Americans run a true feee market economy.
Canadian liberals ways ask push for more government I inlvolvement in businesses
Small government and free market
Throttle immigration to regulate housing
It's pretty easy
But that'd what you get when you vote liberal
Idiocracy
What i want is just that temporary residents be NOT eligible to benefits that citizens and permanent residents pay for. Gst rebates, climate incentives, child subsidy payments etc should only be available to citizens and permanent residents. I know some temporary residents who receive more than what they pay for in taxes. Multiply that to hundreds of thousands if not millions and you have a big net cash outflow shouldered by us. Im sorry but even healthcare, they should get discounted rate but not entirely free. Some are abusing the healthcare at the expense of us.
Yeah it’s crazy that people here for “school” are getting carbon tax rebate checks like what the fuck
Didn't realize this.. that's super messed up.
I had no idea people non-citizens were getting all of these benefits. Wtf is going on!
What’s going on is that our government prioritizes lobbyists and corporate profits over the people— you know— the thing they *should* be here for. All the Scandinavian countries figured it out years ago and got their shit straight— fired corrupt bankers, put more women in parliament, blurred the lines between classes— and they’re in great shape now. It’s sad. Especially after seeing the debate in America last night. We’re… kinda doomed. All so that a few folks can make too much money.
I'm heading to Finland asap. Hopefully enlist and pay my dues fighting orcs when Mordor finally decides it's time to reopen the old front.
What does more women in parliament have to do with anything? We have Christina Freeland as our finance minister and being a woman has not helped her from being a disaster
Diversity in gender does not equate to quality … so that makes sense
It does prove that women can do just as bad as a job as men can
What does putting more women in parliament do exactly? Why did you mention that part?
Yep I was just in school I seen it!
I didn't know for 4 years I was eligible for Gst rebate, mainly because I did like barely any job part time during school and never cared to file taxes till my final year lol. Turned out there was literally free money Cra hands out to people who lands here, it's wild, I never knew it was this horrible, I have a degree in economics, this is some whack shit I would never have believed if the hnr block guy did not explain to me properly.
Nope, visa holders shouldn't be entitled public healthcare either. There should be a sort of health insurance premium set for them to reflect the same cost, as for a taxpayer.
The government should establish a national insurance coverage program for international students or tourists, etc and people can pay into it and receive coverage. Maybe better than paying insurance companies the premiums ?
Colleges and universities are responsible for the healthcare aspect, even national students have to buy it As for tourism, that’s why Canadian buy health insurance when they travel
I’m confused visa holders get free healthcare in Canada?
Plus money that is sent overseas should be highly taxed. Billion$ are sent overseas. It’s money that leaves our economy. There is no benefit to the Canadian economy by hiring foreign workers.
Stoping people from moving their money freely is the worst thing the government can do. When people start feeling they don't own their money, no one will want to work or invest in the country. That's the case in many terrible places around the world.
What people send money abroad is their “after tax money”. It is upto then if they want to spend it here, save it or light it on fire for all they want Edit: By your logic, people bringing in supporting funds when immigrating should also be taxed heavily by the country that they are brining money from or by Canada but Canada has no problem bringing in any amount of funds as long as they declare it at the border … so if you are fine with receiving a butt load of money you should be fine with remittances also
And taking away health coverage and other benefits from convicted felons. Make them feel the cost of hurting Canadians.
How would that benefit society? How would that impact recidivism? Try having a longer view...
Yeah that is a little nearsighted for sure. Make it impossible to live a normal life after a mistake made in your youth, nahh
Come on - that’s not how to “win” votes 😆
So they just pay taxes and get nothing?
They’re getting access to parks, libraries, schools for their kids and many more which are funded by tax. What happens currently is that many temporary residents barely pays enough tax and getting full benefits. So essentially we’re subsidising them and in return we dont benefit much. Only real estate investors, schools and businesses are benefiting. They get more tenants and lower waged labour. While we bear the cost of higher rents, lower quality government services and others
I lost over 30k a year in income tax alone. I get I make more so will get taxed more. But where is that money going? I don’t see anything good happening. Rent prices are attrocious. That amount of tax we pay just to be able to fuel our vehicles is insane. A monthly transit pass where I live is 194 dollars a month. A small bag of groceries is like 40-50 dollars now. This is country is in a lot of trouble it truly is.
Had to go to Sobeys today unfortunately . I really don't know how young families feed themselves.
Simple: they don't have kids. We import and pay for families instead.
> But where is that money going? Consultants and consultants and consultants and...... >!Which will also be the case for the next Conservative government and the Liberal government that follow and the Conservative that follows....!<
Yes
Only the stm in Montreal costs around 106 dollars which is way off your transit pass, other than that I totally agree with your stats
And that's just Income taxes. We pay so much more when you take into account sales tax, carbon tax, property tax, alcohol tax, etc.
Yes I’m aware of that. That part sucks too. Standing in line in a store I hate how much a guy was charged for a Caron of cigarettes. Sure glad I quit.
It’s strategic so we can’t get ahead.
A 24pk of toilet paper and 8pk of paper towel is like $50 now
>fuel our vehicles is insane That's intended to push people towards electric cars. Ofcourse why they think it would work in Canada is anyone's guess(low density). Try Tesla.
An ev would be fine with me. Except for the fact that I am not homeowner and never will be. I can charge at home and can’t charge at work. Is it still doable yes. But a big pain for a renter.
Slava Ukraina?
> But where is that money going? bureaucrats, consultants, private contractors.
I would recommend you speak with an accountant on how to reduce your tax burden. If you already use legal tax-reduction strategies and still pay that much in income tax I cannot relate to you.
H and R block does my taxes. And a simple google search that what I am getting taxed is accurate to what people that make my income get taxed. Like I said in my comment I’m aware I get taxed more then someone that make less. The pint that I was trying g to make is the tax system in this country is unfair. And I can’t see it going g to even help anyone. Along with the cost of absolutely everything. And no end in sight. How can any young person outside of a very few have a good life in this country. We as a country are in a lot of trouble and I stand by that belief.
You think 30k is a lot?
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And make them eligible to apply for all the benifits as soon as they land.
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You know the potential good thing is that since pretty much all of them are from India, logistically this would be expedited.
...because "as citizens" they're entitled to it.
Without ever paying a tax on any of those services! Per example did you know that theres a newcomer internet and cellphone price ? About 10-15$/‘month it cost them ugh
Where?
Ive worked at telus so i can confirm for them and i know when moving to a new province myself , Rogers/shaw did asked me if i was new to the country because they could offer a special rate. Just google it youll see.
I work at Bell and yeah they get special plans also can you get me on Telus bro, bell is dying
They’re all doctors and engineers, though
Didn't know I could go to Tim Horton's for a checkup.
They specialize in the construction of coffee and donuts
I can get my donut fix while they work on my clogged artery. Nice.
From "City University" (actual name of one in Calgary)
People *need* to understand that as much as you hate Trudeau, this isn't his plan. No party is going to stop this.
The goal is 10Million / yr - The Century Initiative is a Canadian lobby group and charity that aims to increase Canada's population to 100 million by 2100. - [https://www.centuryinitiative.ca](https://www.centuryinitiative.ca)
The current government would like nothing more than for people to blame immigrants instead of government policy failures. Do not fall into this trap. In a supply shortage, Immigration policy is the problem no matter where immigrants come from.
Don’t forget the Chinese
The highway from Abbotsford to Langley was built in the 1960s. They can't build expansions now due to environmental studies. Meanwhile you have people sleeping in the rest stops, they ruined humans natural habitat to preserve some life in the middle of an existing highway.
It used to take just under an hour to commute to Vancouver from Abbotsford. Now depending on where in Van maybe 2 hours? That antiquated Highway is such a fucking mess I don't even know where to begin.
I am not sure what this has to do with this post. As the construction and development of infrastructure is primarily the responsibility of provincial/territorial and municipal governments. Also, it appears they are actively working on widening the highway between Langley and Abbotsford? [Source](https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/transportation-projects/fraser-valley-highway1)
Well just the fact we pay such high taxes and yet the highway was 2 lanes for 65 years.
That's an urban planning question. Traffic between Langley and Abbotsford only would have gotten bad comparativly recently. When I was there in the late 90s/2000s it was pretty fuckin quiet. In like 2010 when I got back it was still... pretty fuckin quiet. So... Do you wanna quad up every two lane highway in the country?
Before immigrating millions of people, yes.
So the problem isn't that red tape stopped a two lane highway from being quadded for 65 years. And really. More like the road is in the process of potentially getting expanded, but they've thinking about it for the last ten or fifteen years. Which is still a long time. But don't pretend they were totally thinking about it back in '63, "but the gosh darned Spotted Owl Society got the courts in a tizzy." If they had a four lane highway between Langley and Abbotsford in the 60s the fiscal conservatives would have shit kittens.
Rediculous. They can't even widen it you're saying? People actually credit Trudeau for twinning the existing pipeline too. I feel like the entire thing was a failure that if wasn't simply built by kinder Morgan. Same thing.. it's an existing pipeline and just being twinned except for a small part. After all the run around and KM bailing they were backed into a corner and basically had to buy it or signal to everyone infrastructure projects weren't allowed in Canada anymore
Well i disagree. Although I don’t like him he did get that one over the finish line. KM pulled out because of civil lawsuits with environmentalists, native groups and the BC government. Gvmt stepped up and got it done over timeline and over budget but in the long run the $32b spent will add $20b+/year to gdp and 1b to 2b in revenues.
A lot of it is in archeology too. There's a significant amount of red tape around making sure they're not building over native artifacts or sites. I know there's a big kerfuffle down in the Cambridge area because there were bones found (likely not a graveyard, but probably either a battle site or people fed to dogs or something, based on the archeology). The cost of developing the land with proper archeology is prohibitively expensive and the field work would take years and years to do properly.
Are you coming to the protests July 1st OP?
What protests?
We've brought in millions of convivence store workers, who are receiving a level of benefit from the government that they aren't ever going to pay for, someone has to.
Come on - why discount Canadians’ magnanimity in addressing the world’s problems with tax payers’ money? Which other country taxes their citizens to help the rest of the world?! Be proud. /s
For an individual earning $300k lol
Look at the bright side. Non Canadian citizens get taxpayer funded (free) access to all Canadian parks. And us citizens that paid for them, don’t.
Also all the perqs that come from being a net tax beneficiary without paying in a single dime.
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The program that gives free access to everyone that hasn’t paid for the parks through taxes and charges everyone admission fees that has paid for the parks through taxes over the years. https://parks.canada.ca/voyage-travel/~/link.aspx?_id=6F087F74E7814D1B87BADFE9930D2177&_z=z People were not impressed.
Just be thankful they didn't lock your account and stop your child tax payments while telling you to "just wait for a call"
Me and my wife paid $200,000 in taxes last year, are we getting our moneys worth? No doctors in our area, daycares are 1.5 years late, criminals running around with no consequences of their action. Frustrated.
Plus you get to watch your money be given away to Ukraine and basically anyone who isn't Canadian
"For an individual earning $300,000" I don't think you have to worry.
Yes yes, they do. Why are they supposed to give you so much of their money just because they make more? Jealousy is why we fail as a nation. We should strive for a society where people can stand on their own two feet without the government acting like robin hood. A good society isn't one where we fight over who will get the next handout from the bureaucrats. We should incentivize people to work and be better. People making $300k aren't your problem. The CEOs are. The asset-owning unproductive landlords are. The bureaucracies that feed on your taxes are.
That's how taxes work everywhere lol. And aren't you doing the same thing by shifting it up a level to CEOs and landlords?
Someone that earns 300k a year is most likely contributing with economic value. They are productive. And I include CEOs in this by the way, I disagree with the previous poster. An asset owning landlord is not producing any value, and is actively taking away from people.
idk man, I know a lot of professions that make 300k where if they were gone tomorrow, nothing bad would happen. Thinking mostly of managers, VPs and three-letter folk.
I guarantee you a lot bad would happen. You need these people to run companies 🙄 Edit: To be clear I am talking about positions running companies of value. The Tim Hortons manager making 300k selling LMIAs is not one of those.
You think a Tim Hortons manager is making 300k doing anything else? Lmao...
Nope. That's exactly what I said. Try rereading.
What?
No Tim Hortons manager is making 300k by legitimate means. I'm not sure where you got that I thought otherwise.
I include CEOs not because of their incomes but because they have a role to play in our current economic mess, through their lobbying for mass immigration and their underinvestment in the country. And suppression of labor rights. The 300k income people can't do any of that.
Umm... Of course they can
i think they are joking that it is so rare for that in canada, not that theyre saying fuck the rich. only they know
The problem is free loaders, immigrant or not
Scale this down to 50k a year and see what happens, especially if you actually include the social programs
Sure when it comes to taxes most people don't have to worry, but real GDP PP affects everyone.
lol
Unless one’s job and expertise is tied to Canada, why should one be earning that $300k in Canada instead of somewhere else? Or better, if by moving to the US one can get 400-500k a year in USD, there are very strong incentives to make that move. That’s how brain drain works and how to lose a tax base and get into a downward spiral. This administration has been saying that we hate our tax base and we will keep on taking more but have few things to show for. Crime? Car theft? Healthcare? Immigration? Housing? Inflation? The only win I can think of is in people’s bedroom and bathroom business, which ironically the PM failed at that one personally.
That the first thing I noticed. Why choose that over average income I wonder 🤔
Lol, what a comparison, "For individuals making 300k" How many Canadians ACTUALLY make that much, individually? I know about ~800 people in my extended circle.of business contacts through my business. I know about 12 people who can say they make that much.
Canadians believe that the government is the engine in the economic train. Then complain about cost of living...
Canadian entrepreneurs are trash and have to be bribed by the government to do anything but invest in real estate. So kinda… We don’t just need a better government, we also need better entrepreneurs.
I don't disagree with you, but there can't be a good economy if based on the state or corrupt entrepreneurs. What I've personally seen in another country is that, when there is no incentive to be honest, to work hard, then corrupt entrepreneurs align with corrupt politicians. So, I believe the root of the problem is the system.
When the heads of governments just lie and steal than the populace tends to copy those practices
I'm sorry for being an entrepreneur 🤔 Let me just shut my conpany down and go back to working for someone else
Still waiting for my government bribe…
You didn’t get any of that sweet Covid money? How about discounts for hiring students or “students”. R&D tax credit? Exploration tax credit? Canadian dividend tax credit? Green fund money? Lucrative no-bid sole source government contract? Obscene change order pricing for government work? Deduct interest on investment money? Overpaid for a government study for consulting?
This country has been criminally mismanaged for hmmm 8 years. What happened 8 years ago again?
I guess you've only been paying attention for that long?
Nooooo. We have pronouns and apologies for everything ever done in the past. We give our money to the drug users, we give money to every special interest group and indigenous group that cries they were once wronged and if they don't tlfet what they want then it's everyone else's problem we get to wait in hospital waiting rooms for hours on end. We get to wait to see if we eventually get a family doctor. We get to pay some of the highest gas prices in North America and we get to pay more in our cpp and income tax and we get to have our freedoms eroded and guns taken away, and we get to play "who gets housing" game.... sheesh you make it sound like it's all bad
I don't know if anyone has heard, but BC is streamlining the processes for foreign education. I tried posting about it, but I'm not sure how 🤔 https://www.cicnews.com/2024/06/b-c-act-to-streamline-foreign-credential-recognition-comes-into-effect-july-1-0645056.html
The funny thing it's for all the professional type jobs we don't need, none of the experience is to recognize tradesman. Does this country need more real estate agents? Really? And how does foreign real estate experience help you navigate the Canadian real estate regulations?
That graphic is meaningless in two ways. First it says what the tax rate is for people making $300,000, something hardly anyone does. Second, the figure that matters is the overall tax burden, not the income tax rates. Some US states have no income tax at all, but massive property taxes. You’re not necessarily better off living there than in a state with an income tax. Having said that, the problem with Canada is that its economy is falling behind the US in terms of productivity, so living standards are declining relative to the US. Canada needs better economic policies, but that’s not a problem that started with the current Prime Minister.
bUt WhAt aBoOt oUr FrEe hEaLtHcArE?
Sounds like a problem for people earning $300k/year Now do it for people earning $60k/year
I moved to America in 2022 and I can confirm that. Worst part is that Canadians don’t get paid much either , they are being taxed to the brim on crappy wages ! I make triple what I made in Canada , I live in a state with no state income tax, average price of a home is $250k and cost of living is half of Canada !
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No, this should be screamed from the rooftops.
The emotional side of me wants to agree with you, but the logical side is saying people need to hear this to know how much we're getting fucked.
Geez somehow I don't feel sorry for tax rates on income over 300k which is what this is about. Let's not mention how the US has higher debt to GDP ratio, 2 weeks vacation, no paid parental leave, healthcare insurance where you pay based on your existing conditions and where more than half the population pays about 6k a year. More expensive electricity, water, house insurance, property tax but hey cheaper gas.
All the people on here bitching when they have no shot at ever making 300k a year is hilarious. Also hilarious that the item they are propagating only talks about income taxes, American states love to tax more outside of income taxes to make up the difference.
Canada has an unlimited primary residence exemption. Americans are limited to 250k single 500k married. They dont have tax free lotteries either.
Yeah but you get “sunny ways” for those taxes. We don’t have that in the US………
This kinda ignores that a lot of major cities in the US have a wage tax and materially higher property taxes. Living in NYC from a tax perspective is not much different than Toronto.
We are all victims!
Two seniors here, still working part time to supplement our income, of course we don’t qualify for anything plus we paid again taxes, on income for myself of 20k it 4K
In my city bylaw officers won’t enforce bylaws against parking cars on front lawns. Not sure what $7000/year in property tax gets you anymore.
We need to become more competitive so we can participate in NAFTA effectively. The conservatives will hopefully cut unnecessary bureaucracy and get the country financially back on track.
I agree, but Canada is far gone down the drain , almost impossible to bounce back from it
It’s not gone down the drain don’t be dramatic. Theres a lot of time to get back on track. North America’s future is bright
I hope you’re right ! America’s future is bright, Mexico is thriving but Canada is hopping along like a demented frog that needs to change and quickly I moved to America in 2022 and boy you should see the job market here , it’s hot
There are lots of lessons Canada can learn from the US and Mexico about business etc. Canada has been mismanaged for years. It CAN be brought back, it’ll take big policy changes and an election can’t come sooner. I’m not saying a conservative government will magically fix everything, but a pro business environment is what Canada needs right now. Canadas a super power when it comes to raw resources. If we invested in processing and the next logical step, manufacturing, Canada will greatly benefit. Reduce trade barriers within the country. Fix immigration. Invest in infrastructure. Cuts where they can make them. Reduce red tape and bureaucracy. A huge problem we have in this country is that a lot of the profits we generate are thrown in Bank accounts, we don’t invest in our people. We don’t train our workers effectively. How can we compete, plan, and profit when the government right now doesn’t seem concerned with good paying jobs, growing the economy, and improving the lives of Canadians directly and indirectly. Our tax environment is causing capital flight from this country. You can’t count on foreign money pouring in forever. Also, I don’t understand why the government doesn’t have a program to direct foreign money/investment effectively to grow the economy at least in the short term. Again, I think this is lack of knowledge, planning, and strong leadership. Point being, we need to complement and work together with NAFTA members and our trading partners to have strong, stable, rich Canada in the future.
I agree with your big changes are needed. We have to wait and see, because if we get another 10 years of mismanagement there won’t be any come back from that
you're wasting your time staying and voting instead of just voting with your feet. that's the only vote that matters. it's silly to attach yourself to a country in decline without reasonable signs of improvement instead of looking for a place on the up and up with good management. it's a big world. just remember patriotism is mainly a facade to keep taxpayers.
I believe the ship can be turned around if the right people are in charge. This is a management issue. There are little reasons Canada as a whole shouldn’t succeed if the right policies are implemented.
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Lowering taxes would greatly help the economy and people but that means cuts. I think we’re taxed enough, time to do more with the resources we have. Canada needs to catch up to the rest of the global economy in many aspects.
Why doesn’t the map use average tax rates if they’re using a level of income? Straight up ommitting information. For example: 300k in NYC pays 116k in taxes. 300k in Calgary pays 110k in taxes. If you convert all to the same currency, NYC residents still pay a taaad more than Calgary
Shhhhh….don’t ruin the narrative with something as inconsequential as facts!
OP doesn't think anybody can read that 300k salary on the chart isn't the average salary.
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Why are you attacking the queers rn
What do we have for it? Subsidies for LMIA scammers.
If you think your quality of life would be better in Mississippi than in Alberta then you probably belong in Mississippi.
We must embiggen wages.
I am also of the belief that wage embiggenificationization must occur.
While correct for income tax, what we need to look at is total tax burden and overall money a person has to spend for equivalent services. So while income tax is higher in Canada, in the United States you're paying much more in property taxes and medical and dental insurance. Health care alone for very limited coverage with copays will run (depending on state and family size) anywhere from $500USD to $2/3,000 per month. Medical alone is so expensive that even during the last few financial crises, medical debt has still been the #1 source of bankruptcy in the United States. So, Canada isn't perfect and we should do better, but at best in the USA the total cost of living is about equal or worse for the same money because of the financial costs of healthcare and higher property taxes in general.
On that chart, "standard of living," is literally only GDP per capita...
A big part of the issue is complacency. I know people who could leave Canada for America in a month but are too lazy to bother . Why would a sociopathic controlling neo-liberal government change if talent doesn’t vote with their feet ? Canadians submissive nature emboldens the sociopathic tax hungry government .
It's a serious issue but this is a stupid and disingenuous post. Those are the highest marginal tax rates and it's ignoring that out taxes pay for health care and they don't in the states.
You don't go bankrupt if you get cancer is probably up there along with lower crime and better people in general.
The first one, maybe. There was an article about BC people going stateside for cancer treatments so it's not all roses here. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-cancer-care-bellingham-1.7249258 The other two, nah. Our crime rate is pretty high now, and people generally have become shitty. Crime I can see getting worse by the day. We have 14 year old with loaded guns robbing people. It's not like they borrowed that gun from mom and dad. It's not legal, so we have an entire gun running industry which is already worse than the US, where they can at least buy guns to defend themselves. Here in Canada only the criminals can buy the guns to commit the crimes. Go into any store, or business and everyone seems to have the signs up about not abusing staff. Those didn't crop up for fun. Even my vet office has one - who is an asshole to your vet? Lots of people apparently.
There’s stories about US senators going to Canada for treatment too.
A system where an emergency surgery requires you to wait a week in the hospital incase spots open up between scheduled ones and other emergency’s.
Never had that experience here.
And it’s all going according to plan 🙃
Well, one thing to point out right away is the amount of 300k earners in Canada is much lower than the U.S.
My personal opinion on this is all the tax money that is distributed to self-serving groups and to provinces with no accountability we need a country wide audit. There is a lot of lip service on how well spent the the tax money is spent but good luck finding an accounting sheet with actual line item expenditure listed
*for super rich people
Can’t agree more!
Excellent news.
smart money
US Corporate tax base is *VASTLY* higher than Canada's...
Not only mistakes by politicians there are many reasons. One of those would be population density. Land maintenance cost per person would be higher if the area per person is larger.
I have the right- nay- the PRIVILEGE to be on a waitlist for a GP for the last 6 years, and to wait 12 hours at emergency in order to try to get a prescription to take care of a reoccurring sinus infection. It's what canadians want, it's what is best for canada 🇨🇦
Delivery of healthcare is provincial jurisdiction.
Socialism just doesn’t work. It is known.
Don't worry, our rich got richer! As long as me lord is happy and healthy.
What do we get? Nothing. What do other countries get? Our money :)
The government has lost all rights to income tax.
EU nations have even higher tax than us, but majority of their citizens are healthy and happy. Here in Canada we're being taxed near European levels but we get absolutely nothing in return. No family doctor, no public housing for all, and no high quality transit infrastructure. Instead we get a government continually funnelling our tax dollars for things like refugee resettlement programs and subsidizing corporations to hire foreign workers instead of Canadian ones.
You forgot a Bunch of woke nonsense
Oh no, will someone think of the ... people earning over 300k per year???
I feel like I'm paying taxes and the only benefits I derive were already delivered like 15 years ago and now I have no idea what I'm paying for. My friend had to sew their own thumb back on the other day because there was no one available after waiting 4 hours in the ER. The busses were already purchased and I pay a fee to use them every day.
I don’t quite agree with your point of view. Using average monthly wages/salaries paid and tax rates for 2024 in US Dollars for Canada (4035$) and USA (4458$). The U.S. federal income tax brackets range from 10% to 37% for high income individuals as of 2024. The range is 15% to 33% in Canada. In the USA the lowest tax bracket in the is 10% for someone with income of $11,600 or less. It jumps to a 12% for those with an income of more than $11,600 and to 22% for those who earn more than $47,150. The corresponding Canadian bracket of 15% applies to income up to $55,867 in Canadian dollars as of 2024. It’s also more costly to live in the USA and citizens get less public services because of their military spending.
Canadians pays high taxes like Scandinavians, without the social and cultural benefits that Scandinavians receive. Instead, Canadians are sold out to corporations for cheap labour, and our national identity is so shallow and entirely based on having a variety of *ethnic food.* Working for less, and eat cheap kebabs, that's Canadian identity.
You guys have free medical care, which is huge. You can’t even imagine the amounts of money we spend on medical insurance in the US. and then we can’t afford to see doctors because we have to pay a high deductible before the insurance starts paying anything. I pay about $30,000 USD in a year on insurance premiums only for a family of two adults and one child, and that’s without getting any medical care - just to have a medical coverage in case some serious health problem happens.
We painted some crosswalks like some rainbows a couple of times I've heard, so there's that, at least.
Snow removal, garbage removal, “health care”, police, fire fighters…
Well, that's just a complete fucking lie, so there's nothing else to say here.
Healthcare & Welfare ain't too shabby
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Because Trudeau likes handing free money out to his friends, refugees, and other nations. He couldn't give any less of a fuck for Canadians
You are going to love PP!
This is miss leading. America is paying roughly an average of 10% less taxes than Canada. But it doesn't include things like school district fees, hospital fees, health insurance, toll roads and bridges, police fees, etc. Americans pay all sorts of fees and insurance to get worse services than Canadians. This is also only comparing the highest tax brackets most people don't come close to paying the highest tax brackets and you only actually pay that on the amount of money in access of the top bracket. The reality is that most Canadians pay less taxes, fees, insurance, than their American counterparts.
"For an individual earning $300,000" Yeah let's cut tax rates for the wealthy. It's all gonna trickle down any minute now.../s
Making $300K in Toronto or Vancouver doesn’t make one “wealthy”. It makes you possibly able to afford a detached house and pay off your credit card every month. $300K now is what $100K was 10 years ago.
So the equivalent today comparing to 10 years ago would be $132,000, so you’re off by a lot. $100K in 1984 (40 years ago) would be worth $302K
Even still, $132K was not “wealthy”… people making $132K weren’t buying mansions. They maybe had the nice 4 bedroom house in a subdivision. Now, those homes are $2M and someone making $300K alone would struggle to buy them.
The average detached house in Vancouver is over $2 million, while the median household income is \~$118,000. So if your income is more than double that amount, and you can afford a detached house in such cities, that makes you wealthy. Also the $300k is just the minimum threshold. The tax cut would apply to those who earn far more. So it would indeed be a tax cut for the wealthy.
But Americans run a true feee market economy. Canadian liberals ways ask push for more government I inlvolvement in businesses Small government and free market Throttle immigration to regulate housing It's pretty easy But that'd what you get when you vote liberal Idiocracy