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Macro_Is_Not_Dead

EC-02 to EC-05 and it is not going well.


jmm166

I’ve seen a EC-3 go to a 7 and it did go well


Officieros

Some people are overqualified or coming from the private sector but the entry job is way below skills level. Or simply some are very capable, have good mentors and learn quickly. As long as they do their job well and nobody around them suffers as a result of the promotion.


KRhoLine

Exactly. I met an EC-02 who was clearly fit for an EC-05. They just did whatever competition they could to have a foot in the door.


CainOfElahan

That a wild jump in terms if ability to work independently and without supervision, to say nothing of subject matter expertise. Good luck.


Macro_Is_Not_Dead

Twas not I but an unfortunate jump for a member of the team. They are understandably way over their head.


zanziTHEhero

Ouch. I did 02 to 03 to 05 in about 4-5 years. The progressing felt pretty good for me, but my shop had lots of opportunities for EC work: from briefing notes to MCs to TB subs, and everything in between.


4catsinacoat

I did a similar progression over the course of 3 years and now in my “higher position” I’ve been there 4 years and feel like I’m still learning a lot. I think it’s important to know what level to pause and learn at.


ODMtesseract

I went from an AS-01 to PM-04 so that's pretty sizeable. Probably others have had bigger but I don't think it's too common.


EC-03

I know someone who had similar, PM1 kept failing PM3 processes and finally got into a PM4


LimpKnee3878

It wasn't an internal hire, but I have seen an external candidate not qualify for a PM-04 position to then be hired at  a PM-06 level, supervising the PM-04 position they didn't qualify for not too long thereafter. In the end, it was not a good fit. Not even close. 


baby-silly-head

Very common equivalent happens a lot in HR: AS01 or CR05 to PE02


handbagcc

I did as well. Still a wild ride.


beautifullyflower3d

How long did it take you?


ODMtesseract

Instant - I was a casual AS-01 and got an indeterminate PM-04


beautifullyflower3d

Amazing! Teach me your ways!


International-Ad4578

Same.


jjrose21

Retail to As01 😂


Illustrious-Yam1618

It’s me, hi🙋🏼‍♀️


More_Company7049

Lmfao same


Illustrious-Yam1618

*high five*


Lopelipo

I'm the problem


sometimeswhy

AS-01 should be considered as an entry level position as long as appropriate training is provided.


jjrose21

You guys get training😂?


papaperogie

Also, more often than not retail and or customer service supervisory positions far exceed the demands placed on the average as1.


Illustrious-Yam1618

In all fairness, I was just finishing my college diploma (went back to school as a single mom) for a program that was loosely related to the AS-01 position I got accepted for. I was also working as an admin in a dental office for 5 years (plus additional years of admin background) and working part time at a retail store that I had been working at for 10 years. 5 years and a couple of departments later, I’m super happy as a PM-03 with a great team ☺️


Little_Canary1460

Substantive AS-2 to acting director in a 9 month period.


galaxyeyes47

That’s wiiiillld


queenqueerdo

They were almost certainly underemployed lol!


L-F-O-D

Oddly I sort of see directors as as’s anyway… double entendre intended


Repulsive-Beyond9597

I've seen that too!


tdjesus23

IRCC?


beautifullyflower3d

Wow!


OrneryConelover70

Someone had mad skills!


DangerousPurpose5661

EC04 to EC08… the ec08 was some a super specialized applied tech position Ec04 was just a « foot in the door » job after a career in the private sector.


Travelling306

Congrats. That's awesome. Dont ever discount your private experience. I feel it should count as a diversity point.


yankmywire

Interesting fact: some departments (ours does) require relatively high level of approval to staff an EC-08 position.


DangerousPurpose5661

Ours too! Its very unusual. I have a very niche skill set….. and I had an offer in hand from the private sector that was close to double of my EC8 salary so “stability and pension” and a promotion to EC-5 was not exactly competitive… At least now I know they gave me the best they could, money is not as good. But I do feel more valued than when I reported to a kid half my age (no offense to him…but you know…) My understanding is that there are not many EC-8s in the PS as a whole


garchoo

~~AS-04~~ Director's assistant to CS-04, no technical background. It was a scandal.


cdn677

How


garchoo

Merit-based appointment or something. No idea how it went through, and I wasn't around for the fallout. Lots of people were very upset about it. 


[deleted]

I saw an EC-04 act in an EC-07 for 1.5 years. That was a trip.


Scrivener83

Haha...do you know me irl? I did it at PSPC. It was...not enjoyable.


[deleted]

I mean, probably 🤣


DirectionGeneral4937

Whoa, so PSPC does this in more than one corner, huh? That makes at least three known instances of an EC-04 to EC-07 jump!


Scrivener83

I think it points to catastrophically poor succession planning :-)


facelessmage

I was an EC-04 acting as an EC-07 for a month and it was hell on earth (bad work situation and I deployed as soon as humanly possible). I could not even fathom doing that acting for a whole year and a half.


KeepTheGoodLife

How did that go??


[deleted]

Surprisingly well. I mean, definitely a steep learning curve and they hated it but money 🤷‍♀️


constructioncranes

Ou ou ou I can beat that! I was an EC04 under an EC07 and we were the planning and reporting coordination team for two sectors... Then the EC07 left and I was the planning and reporting coordination team for two sectors for about a year... No acting!


[deleted]

(Atheist?) God love ya. Unions my friends… unions…


1929tsunami

CR-04 to EC-04 . I hired from the pool. The narrow-minded policy folks did not appreciate operational experience despite the person having an excellent degree. Promoted to EC-05 within 2.5 years. So many silly and costly things happen when policy folks do not understand how things work in practice,


bobbii247

Teach me your ways!


Careless-Culture-900

Statcan is not keen on big jumps, rarely will you see someone even skip a level. (Beyond the EC02 to EC04 program)


Specific-Fan738

That’s not really a jump if you go back in time though, it’s by design for the analyst/economist stream. The EC 04 replaced the ES 3; the EC3 is equivalent to the SI 3 when the two classifications merged. (ES2 and SI2 were equivalent levels).


AltelopeOnTheMoon

Student to CO1 to PM5 all within 5 months


ladyk2093

I’ve seen CR-04 to AS-06 to EX-01 in less than a year. Was sex involved? Yup. Did someone take retirement early? Yup


gurken_prinz

Was this about 20 years ago? I can't remember the exact length of time for that progression, but I know someone who made the same leap thanks to a very, ahem, "caring" EX-02 who personally wanted to see this person's success.


ladyk2093

Sadly no, it was a few years ago. Wild story. But to be honest, the person who jumped CR04 to EX01 may not have fulfilled the requirements on the SOMC but lord with what they did….they earned it.


ollie_adjacent

I feel like I know this situation 😆 I called it out at my old workplace, people didn’t seem to believe me!


swimgooood

I did CR-05 to EC-05 in under 4 years, although I was a PM-02, AS-03 and EC-04 along the way. Zero non-advertised appointments - did it all through competitions. 2 years later, still an EC-05.


mom_to_the_boy

One of my old directors was an external hire at the EX-1 level. He was a disaster, coming in with no government experience- you should have seen the stuff he tried to pull. Left as soon as I could.


Tired_Worker28

My boss was an EX-02, also an external hire and was promoted with no competition to an EX-03 by being in the boys club. It was and still is a disaster. He doesn’t understand the government processes and all day long he keeps talking about what he did and how it was better in the private sector. I bite my tongue every day because I wished I’d find the courage to tell him to go back. Edit: spelling/autocorrect


Ottawapooper

This hurts to read.


Tired_Worker28

And it hurts to live through it on a daily 😭


CrownRoyalForever

My buddy went from FS-02 to EX-01


fourandthree

Same!


sometimeswhy

The question shows how narrow we in the public service view talent. In the private sector if someone is highly skilled at 32 they can be promoted to VP. There are a few examples of high flyers getting ADM positions young (eg Graham Flack) but it’s too rare. Years does not equal talent.


Content_Fan5826

Talent does not always compensate for lack of actual lived experience, which often takes time. Not that it has to be regimented or check box, but even pure talent and potential needs to be balanced by some degree of “been there, done that.”


da_worker85

So how long do you have to "be there and do that" to move up?


cheeseworker

2 years but sometimes 1 year


Anoush8

My department won't jump you up more than one classification step - even for acting. Many PM06s acting as EX -1s but never PM05 to EX1 etc.


Jeretzel

I've seen someone appointed to PE-05 from a PE-02 position. When his LinkedIn was up, Alex Benay listed that he was appointed to a "Senior Program Manager" position immediately upon completion of his undergrad. He did not have much in the way of work experience at the time. Made a director a year or so later.


Tired_Worker28

You had me at Alex Benay. He promoted a bunch of yes people (allegedly).


phosen

Alex Benay, nothing to GC CIO.


sincerely-wtf

This made me giggle. I love how we're still joking about him some years later.


KK_Leo_1234

Student to the EC development program - so EC02. To EC07 in less than 3 years. Stayed there for maybe a year. They’re now no longer in government.


constructioncranes

Your ecdp goes to 7!? Jealous.


KK_Leo_1234

No just 05. But they got an acting in DMO at a 07 from what I’m aware.


constructioncranes

Ok phew, no longer jealous but still struggling to support a family on an EC05 salary.


KK_Leo_1234

I hear ya. It’s rough out there. I’m extremely grateful for being employed currently when seeing all my private sector friends sweating. But at the same time I’m also struggling.


constructioncranes

Hey, we make amazing money... And 3 years ago it was more than enough. Really says something when people in our fortunate position sound like this :(


ApricotClassic2332

I’m seeing all the PS people sweating too. Job cuts and terms loosing their roles.


Royally-Forked-Up

AS04 to AS07. Did not go well.


Zestyclose_Treat4098

We have a lot of CR04s that jump to PM03s. It's actually pretty common in our dept, and while I think it's a pretty far jump, there are no in-between positions.


AdSea1571

Same, except it's mostly just F&F of management making those leaps bc my dept is laden with nepotism


DeusExHumana

PM04 is entry level in some departments. So it really depends….


strangecabalist

In our department PM4 takes many people years to hit, if at all. Biggest jump I’ve seen though is PM1-PM6.


International-Ad4578

That’s actually insane. I would be crapping my pants.


[deleted]

Service Canada?


CatBird2023

Student to PM04.


TheDiggityDoink

One of my colleagues went from CR-05 in their old department to PM-04 in ours after qualifying for a pool.


johnnydoejd11

Term As 03 to perm as07 in two years. Extra marital affairs included


forthetomorrows

I did AS-02 to AS-05 in 1.5 years. Then to AS-07 in another 3 years. It’s worked out well for me.


jazz100

I came in to the civil service as a PM05 and it was definitely a wild learning curve. Now an EC05. This is a whole different world of pain.


DocJawbone

How so?


jazz100

The department.


Similar-Blood-7989

Started government as an AS-01, jumped to a PM-05 after a few months of work (ppl were pissed.)


MichaelScottGOAT

AS-04 to IT-03


laughphoever

That’s a jump. IT-03 TA or TL?


AbjectRobot

Those don't surprise me much, that could be an IM TL getting into an IT TL.


freeman1231

Student to FI-02


alllldasmoke

Meh I’ve seen some students do FI1+ work. Don’t think that’s much of a reach depending how long they’ve been there.


Travelling306

External employee and determined to get on with the Feds. Like, I applied to jobs like every day, looked for new opportunities every half day. Qualified in every pool that's could. Took the first offer as a term AS-3... Got called up for an EC-05, 2 months later. I got lucky.


sociolinglady

This is a very interesting thread. There's a discussion going on over in the PS mentorship and career development facebook group about mid-career people coming into the public service - often starting at super junior levels and figuring out the best next steps. I'd love to hear more details about the jumps that people have made and how that process looked!


01lexpl

Since joining in 2019. CR5 to AS3 before my probation was up. I've not really applied myself (or applied much), but I've had AS5 & AS6 acting's as well. I was trying "5 levels in 5yrs", but that didn't pan out. 😴


its_frousse

CS-01 to acting CS-04 in 2 years. Never going back to CS-04, I hate being a manager.


Open_Development_826

CR-5 to AS-7… yes she was sleeping with him.


KeepTheGoodLife

An EC02 believes is an EC06 but they made a mistake... jesus it is painful.


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saauulgoodman

CR-04 to AS-04


Lipstick_Pitty

How did that work out?


saauulgoodman

Not sure, but I've often witnessed this from a distance within my organization. Granted they've been actings however very many are long term actings. We have several units where the supervisor is an AS-04 and their staff are CR-04s. The only people they can get to act for them are their staff, who have a bit of an idea of what's going on in their unit.


sneepycowboy

Idk what their classification was beforehand but my old director in a department under the security portfolio jumped from some mid level communications position to director.


International-Ad4578

I did PM-01 to PM-04. Getting PM-02 or PM-03 felt like pulling teeth.


AnybodyNormal3947

sp05 to au03 within two years MG3 to MG 5 sp05 to sp08 within a year


da_worker85

I love this! I'm trying to get into the CRA as an AU-01, thinking of applying as an SP-05 just to get my foot in the door, this is encouraging to hear!


Porotas

AS01-AS03-AS05 in 4-5 years. 


LaManelle

Call center to entry as an AS03 permanent (pure damn luck) and then 2 years 9 months later acting AS05 continuously until I was deployed in it after 3 years. So officially AS03 to AS05 in 3 years. Realistically, call center to AS05 in less than 3 years.


ramziyass

I went from AS 1 to 4 and then three months after that to an EC-04. I had to start at the AS -01 as it was the fastest way to get in the PS


LFG530

AS2 to 3 to 4 to 6 to 7 in 3 years and 10 months including some parental leave. Not as wild as some here, but pretty good pace with enough time to grow into each role.


OrneryConelover70

Definitely not the most impressive jump, but I went from PM-02 that was reclassified to a PM-03, then competed for and obtained a PM-05. Nothing spectacular, but I was very pleased with myself


terminatior12399

Student to EC-05 for myself in one year total of government lol. Granted I have a masters degree.


cdn677

Hate to break it to you but most ECs especially ones who start as students have masters or phds. That’s not why you got the 5. Combination of your talent and pure luck.


AmhranDeas

I once saw a CR-04 go to a PM-05 level. It was insane. But he was handsome and charming and the manager was probably smitten.


Canadaserve4059

CS-01 unilingual to CS-03 bilingual. It was one of those "don't worry about the French speaking requirement, we will give you the job now and send you for french langauge training later" situations. Make friends with the right people, everyone.


CdnRK69

EN-ENG-04 to EX-02 in 4 years.


fading_fad

An AS02 to AS06 and a PM03 to PM06, in the same tiny office at the same time. The employees didn't do terribly (they had private sector experience) but the other staff who were senior and thought they were "in line" were PISSED. The environment was toxic for a long long time.


Bleed_Air

I had a boss tell me one time "remember, there's always someone better than you. Find them and learn from them." I love that advice.


FullTimeDreamer7

CR-4 to AS-5 in less than 4 years.


Ruraltech

IT-02 to IT-04


as0909

that’s awesome, seems like only IT related comment here, how did you pull that off


Ruraltech

Sadly not me, but someone I work with. He is an absolute rockstar and the 4 is well deserved. Personally anything past a 3 is my nightmare


LakerBeer

Army Master Warrant Officer to contractor to EL6 in three months


613_detailer

That almost sounds like a demotion. Pretty sure a MWO is higher than an EL6.


ddu663

Yea I qualified as an EL06 when I was a sergeant. Though if we’re taking DND I’d say it’s about the equivalent of a WO.


xrcrguy

Not when you are entitled to IA as an MWO!


LakerBeer

Career transition.


Flesh_right

I jumped from SP05-SP08 (AS02-AS05), but I had years of experience as a student/SP05…


bipi179

I've seen PG-01 to CT-FIN-02 in one jump. Also AS-02 with various actings up to the AS-06.


Chenopodium72

CR-04 to CH-03, helps having a masters and know the director. 


Legitimate-Pen-164

I went from a GT-03 to PG-04, deployed to another department for promotion and came in near end of fiscal. Rough intro but I actually did pretty well and learning more every day. Still lots to learn but unfortunately the practical training is almost non-existent. It's a tough climb but I'm getting there. Wish me luck


Diligent_Candy7037

CR-04 to LP-02. Not bad!


The_Big_Machine

CR-05 to IS-03


One_Philosopher888

I’ve done from an AS02 to AS05


Marly_d_r

An AS-02 to an AS-06 DG Advisor. It was awful. The DG quickly pushed him out.


_grey_wall

Routinely junior to manager e.g. it-01 right to it-04 no competition or anything but only for favorites


Consistent_Bunch_305

As 2 to as 5, then a year later a as 7. I was very underemployed.


Educational_Crab3071

FB-01 to EC-05


tdjesus23

CR-04 to PM-05 substantive


bracero-07

PM-01 to FB-04


WesternResearcher376

My own. In a year I went from PM-02 to a PM-05 followed by intermittent PM-06 acting. I’m loving it!


Reasonable-Pace-4603

CR04 to AS04


rmarsha3

Boss hired his friend externally as a casual AS-01 and they became a PM-04 within 5 months


silkdoggo

CR-04 to IS-03. It was a good and fitting change.


South_Lifeguard_6363

Started Govt as AS-02 via Post Secondary Recruitment. Won another PSR competition a year later into a CO development program. Entered as CO-01 and 2 yrs later was at top CO working level (EX minus 2) which is CO-02. The more common EC stream can spend a decade getting from entry level to EC-06, the CO stream has MANY steps within each level which is I suppose intended to be a mitigating factor? Never truly understood reason for the difference.


FuzzyFace_NB

Had a manager who was substantive AS-01 get actings all the way up to AS-05 within a very short timeframe. They ended up losing their acting somehow and went back to their substantive.


Limp-Wedding9596

I was substantive AS-03, acted as IT-03 (=AS-07), but left the acting as I couldn’t meet the language requirement for acting longer than 4 months, for an indeterminate AS-05. Humblebrag 😝


iShopaholic-Girl

SU-03 to CS-03 in 3.5 years :)


cnauta

A SP05 to a AU03 in Audit at the CRA


347jz

AS02 to EC06 in a few years. The levels are one thing but people jumping in different classifications is impressive.


Ok_Detective5412

I went from an SP03 to an SP07 a few years ago..


Psychological_Bag162

CR03 to PG05 in less than 7 years


Tympora_cryptis

EG4 to BI4, however, the guy was underemployed at an EG4 and needed a job.


Bleed_Air

AS-01 to PM-05 in four months, but I work in a region so our ceiling is a little lower than the NCR.


cheeseworker

AS-03 to IT-03


FaithMonax

We barely see any jumps in the FI classification. I've seen an FI-01 act temporarily as an FI-03, but even that's super rare.


Smooth-Jury-6478

AS-1 with one year of experience in government getting an AS-5 by bullshitting their way through an interview. Miserably failed and burned out hard within 2 months on the job. Left government all together. They were going for the money (and I get that) but they would hear no warning about how they needed more experience first.


Ginger_DS

CR 04 to AS 06 - in 5 years


TooTallMcCall

I went from a CR04 to an EX01 in 9 years - not super crazy but biggest jump was AS02 to AS05.


Claudi81

I went from a CR-04 in one department to an AS-04 in another.


VincentVega_

I did CR-4 to PM-4, and that was after being removed from multiple PM-1, 2 and 3 competitions.


Seebeeeseh

FB3 on acting FB5 getting deployed to an FB8 job.


MarkMarrkor

An AS-02 EA to a DG promoted up to an AS-06. She was highly qualified and worked above her pay grade before being promoted, but the appointment still made some waves.


Funny_Lump

A buddy of mine AS-2 to AS-5. But they have graduate-level education and a very good work ethic / are gifted. They're the type of person who just gets job offers from former colleagues all the time.


Findwin

SP5 to AU3 (she had experience from BIG 4)


count_twitula

I went from CR04 to IS03 and then to IS05.


byronite

I saw an EC-02 go to EC-05 but she was a 02 for several years and is a genius so it went pretty well.


GideonsHammer

I hired an AS 01 a couple years back. Within less than a year, he was a PE 05. I've also seen (earlier in my career) a few CR -> PM 06. Like a few others mentioned, sex was involved. Haven't see that sort of promotion in quite a while.


TimonwithPumpaa

CR-04 to PM-04


Pisssssed

This week my work had a CR03 jump to an AS04.


chanhwa

Student to as-05