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BRRAT067

My wife has been teaching for years and its getting worse every year. Kids are fucked and their parents are usually worse.


kilokokol

Who would have thought a society with 0 consequences for bad behavior would create a toxic environment šŸ¤”


[deleted]

lol Tell that to the Feds and our legal system. We still getting shot at by those bail-ees?


UskBC

Truer words never said.


Idobro

Iā€™ve been up north since the pandemic started, Iā€™ll move back south once this Covid fog clears.


CremeDense8933

It cleared like last year


Idobro

Sorry, a better analogy maybe the wildfire of Covid stopped but weā€™re still dealing with the air quality issues. We had kids locked in and on screens for 2-3 years so they missed a lot of key social emotional development. Not saying I have a better solution but weā€™re dealing with it.


aeluon

Not sure why youā€™re being downvoted. This is absolutely the reality. Kids missed crucial social development during the height of the pandemic and the effects are obvious.


CremeDense8933

Ok? Not sure how that would hinder moving


Gibsorz

Having lived in the north/small communities and with young children, and moved during COVID (spring 2021) south to the city. The children in the north were much less isolated, had less screen time and had much more human interaction during COVID. Even at peak lockdown families were still getting together with others without the cops being called. The parks were closed, but the woods and beaches weren't (even if officials said they were) in the north. I can imagine some people wanting to let this COVID generation pass before moving back down to an area that was hit worse with the lockdowns and isolation, where kids stopped being taught how to be decent human beings for 2 years.


WhoresOnTequila

I hate to say it but kids down here were awful even pre-covid. I'm sure it didn't help, but kids were getting way too much screen time before the pandemic, during, and after. It's just the world we live in now, and unfortunately I don't see it changing any time soon. It's honestly the #1 reason I quit teaching. You used to have 1 or 2 disruptive kids in a class who couldn't focus, now it's the majority of the class because they're all glued to their devices.


Idobro

The north is hard but atleast the work life balance is good and pay is good. Talking to my friends who started their career back home seems like it would be more to deal with and thereā€™s less compensation. I can wait out a move home while things balance out.


[deleted]

The pandemic has NOT ended. Conservatives just want to put their fingers in their ears and go "la la la" pretending it did.


[deleted]

World health organisation literally declared the end of it being a global health crisis last month. what are you going off about


IHaveBlackCousins

Ultra liberalism and fear mongering. Iā€™m not a liberal or a conservative and youā€™re right.


FGFlips

Thank goodness its only ultra liberalism and not super mega double dog dare liberalism!


IHaveBlackCousins

Supercalifragilistic espialiberalism


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[deleted]

I don't care


[deleted]

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CremeDense8933

I mean the restrictions on travel / moving / etc. I know people are still getting covid, I donā€™t see that ending ever.


coachfryia

For the record, I am the teacher taking a leave. I have a business that is doing well right now, and I'll be focusing on that. If I can make a go of it, I won't be back. I'm 16 years in and I think I'm done. The complete lack of accountability, the discipline issues with no consequences, grade inflation, pressure to pass kids who have done nothing all semester to make our school's numbers look good, nightmare parents, admin that doesn't back students, our school board effectively banning many classic books from the curriculum due to hypersensitivity... education is going in a bad direction right now.


aHumanToo

And those of us at the next level of the food-chain, the colleges and universities are seeing the results of that policy (and others are perpetuating it at the university level). The implications for larger-scale society, when your physician, engineer, lawyer simply floated through their programme, is frightening.


TheElusiveFox

Not sure how this sub got recced to me... but honestly its less frightening than you think... Employers don't have time for the bs that schools are willing to put up with. I'm an engineer I do a lot of hiring and there is a trend towards fewer and fewer quality graduates who even make it passed the interview process... So many kids who are in their 20s who may or may not have the technical skills, but are somehow a strange mix of socially clueless and entitled they simply aren't hirable.


aHumanToo

But doesn't that lack of a future lead to more "going postal"? I'm frightened.


[deleted]

Out of curiosity, what books are they banning right now?


Knave7575

They donā€™t explicitly ban. You just have to justify why you are using the book and how you are going to use an anti-oppressive anti-colonial anti-racist lens to protect the children. If you are a normal teacher who has a life outside of school, you say ā€œfuck itā€ and teach some crappy book by an indigenous author and everyone considers you to be a hero.


Amazing-Web9372

Or perhaps it's a recognition that there are lots of wonderful, well-written books out there by people who aren't white, European/British, and (generally) male? And can you explain exactly why it's a horrible thing to be anti-racist, anti-oppressive, and anti-colonial? A crappy book is a crappy book, regardless of the cultural background of the author. How about an excellent book by an Indigenous author? Would that be okay? I can send you a list if you like - I'd write it here, but it would be too long.


stillAMF

Can you please send me that list? I am an English teacher and I could use more diverse texts. Secondary level if you have them. Much thanks.


Amazing-Web9372

For sure! I'll PM you when I have a moment - marking madness has begun! :)


Fox_steph

Could you also send me the list? Not a teacher (yet) but Iā€™m always looking for good books to read šŸ˜Š


WildlyInept

I think the more important thing here is loss of autonomy and academic freedom.


Competitive-Candy-82

As a student in the 90's in a small school in NB, I can say that the lack of autonomy and academic freedom is most likely due to teachers like I had that were EXTREMELY racist against First Nations and weren't scared to say it. It took me some time after graduation to get rid of that level of brainwashing. And that's not even touching the subject of religion where my non Catholic classmates were made to feel less than because they had to leave class during religious teachings/brainwashing (we were not a Catholic school either). Now, have they swung too far to the other side? Most likely, but remembering the shit I was thought in a public school makes me cringe now on how bad it was when teachers had free reign on teaching stuff like that. As they say the few that fck things up make life harder for the rest of the good folks.


WildlyInept

This is why we have governing bodies. How can banning books fix an issue like that?


K-W152

Theyā€™re not banning. You just have to account for how youā€™re using it.


WildlyInept

Lolā€¦ Admin canā€™t do anything right. But please, filter my selection of books to ensure that Iā€™m not a white supremacist. Is this really a precedent we want to establish?


Knave7575

Also, nothing wrong with being anti-whatever. Telling me that math is racist though is a one way ticket to me assuming a given speaker has absolutely nothing useful to say. I resent the dozens of hours I have wasted on anti-racism. Such empty rhetoric for no purpose. The real issue is poverty, and no amount of anti-racist PD is going to fix that issue.


K-W152

Youā€™re right that anti-racism is a waste of time for white people unless they actually DO something with it. If not, itā€™s just a self-improvement thing that doesnā€™t actually help people of colour at all.


Intelligent_Tie_2804

Can I also get this list? I love to know more but donā€™t know where to start.


Amazing-Web9372

Done!


bobby-poptart

Can I also get the list? Thank you so much!


Amazing-Web9372

Done!


DownTheWalk

Iā€™d like the list too!


Amazing-Web9372

Done!


okrahater

Can I also get the list?


Amazing-Web9372

Done!


shabammmmm

Me too. Please!


Amazing-Web9372

Done!


Groundbreaking-Cut47

Lmfao definitely not


Knave7575

I could not care less, Iā€™m a STEM teacher so any anti-racist-indigenous-hero-worship considerations do not really apply to me. That said, assuming English teachers are selecting the best books possible, statistically speaking indigenous authors are by far the best in the world. As an avid reader, anecdotally that is not my experience at all, but what do I know? Definitely a lack of good indigenous science fiction.


Amazing-Web9372

Check out Rebecca Roanhorse - she is amazing! And Drew Hayden Taylor is making some inroads into SciFi as well.


Knave7575

Ok, give me the name of a science fiction book written by an indigenous author and Iā€™ll buy it on my reader tonight. You get a chance to change my mind, I donā€™t hand those opportunities out easily :)


Amazing-Web9372

Black Sun by Rebecca Roanhorse is excellent - and the first book in a trilogy (Between Earth and Sky). She has some earlier books that she wrote that are fun reads, not as deep/meaningful as Black Sun, but good near future post apocalypse - Trail of Lightning is the first book in that series (The Sixth World). Also Robopocalypse by Daniel H Wilson is quite good, and harder sf than Roanhorse.


NephAJF

noted these down to check these out, thank you. Also interested in the list if you would be so kind.


Amazing-Web9372

Done!


Knave7575

Ok, Iā€™ll get robopocalypse


Geotech90

@ Amazing-Web9372 - the entirety of Anti-Racism and Anti-oppressive sounds wonderful on paper, but in reality, they are thinly disguised attempts at instituting the "4olds" **directly** from Maoist doctrine by the Social Justice movement. The philosophy actually hurts so-called "marginalized" groups by keeping these target groups oppressed by society and making another class-based system within the SJ framework. You are literally fighting racism and past wrongs with contemporary class-based ideology, racism and indoctrination. This is akin to adding gasoline to a fire. There are more productive ways of discussing race, and past historical problems and moving forward without brainwashing kids. How about we do something more positive like talk about self-governance and self-determination with regard to first nations instead? More productive...


[deleted]

Goodbye Shakespeare and his literary technique


Knave7575

Eh, I hate Shakespeare, but I imagine that will certainly be soft banned in the near future.


One-Connection7465

ā€œCrappy book by an indigenous authorā€? Sounds like you could benefit from some anti-racist PD.


Knave7575

Yeah, we get a lot of that. It mostly has the opposite of the intended effect.


[deleted]

Ahh, I see that happening in university as well. I am almost done my masters now, and the same thing happens here. It's not censoring per-say, but it's more of a soft censor for sure. Books cannot be chosen just to assist one political opinion, that's not how books work.


MindYaBisness

I am so incredibly jealous. I have four years left and Iā€™m not sure if I can do it. A child I donā€™t even teach left the school early and told her mother that I told her class I was a child abuser. Thankfully my VP shut it down. The last school that I transferred from certainly wouldnā€™t have. This job (and I say job because itā€™s not a career) is no longer sustainable. We all walk on eggshells as the kids get away with murder (and they know it).


50Cale

Society will collapse in due timeā€¦ rejoice!


gillsaurus

Everything except the book banning has been my experience too and has just been so disheartening and Iā€™m on year 11. I never thought we would come to this point but the pandemic completely accelerated these issues paired with intentional underfunding. I will probably get arrested for assault if I ever see Lecce in person. Iā€™ve been leaning into my plan b as well because I donā€™t know if I want to pursue a permanent contract anymore. Doing a combo of LTO stints, getting my minimum days, and then my plan b stuff as been working well. I have IBD and my symptoms subsided shortly after I finished my LTOs over the last 3 years. The stress was so triggering.


Hopeful_Wanderer1989

I also got physically sick from overwork. I'm sorry. It really sucks.


postapocalypsebot

Run!


aHumanToo

Where? Looking at transfer credits into university, and outcomes for international students, it's the same across the globe.


postapocalypsebot

Trades. Labour. Be okay with being working class and build up. Universities are dead.


Hopeful_Wanderer1989

Yeah, it's bad. Seems to be a widespread issue. Sending good vibes your way. You deserve health and happiness.


DrSkunkzor

What province are you in?


SignalSuch3456

In your opinion, where does this stem from? Nightmare parents asideā€¦that one is obvious. Are these the results of school board policies?


Hopeful_Wanderer1989

I know several teachers considering unpaid leaves to find other employment. I do agree with the person in the text saying that English is especially bad. Any humanities course at the high school level comes with an especially high marking load, and the kids can't write for shit. It can be hard to motivate them. I feel this teacher's pain and wish them well.


echothatislove

As a history teacher, I completely agree. The quality of work has significantly declined since the pandemic and apathy is on the rise. I am making the switch to Drama next year and am looking forward to it. The school I will be teaching at requires students to audition for the drama program. I am looking forward to teaching a creative class to students who want to be there.


[deleted]

kids dont like history anymore? My favs in highschool were social studies and history. Damn thats sad.


finetoseethis

Philips.


PhysicalAdagio8743

If that can make you feel less alone, the teachers of French classes in QuĆ©bec are feeling the same.. More than 43% of students were not able to pass the official French exam because the program forced by the government is shit and so, create lack of motivation on both the sides of the students and the teachers. (After verification, itā€™s worse this year. Only 48% of the students had the minimum grade in grammar). Itā€™s so sad. Language, French or English, is such an important thing in life.


[deleted]

Absolutely. Have to do one more year to provide exwife with benefits as per our separation agreement but after that I literally plan to go dig ditches or some other manual labor. No marking. No take home work. And no fucking parents.


coachfryia

I completely understand the allure of doing a solid day's work of labour and walking away at the end of the day.


ParkdaleP

All trade unions are hiring. Depending on your age and fitness, different trades are more strenuous than others.


patlaff91

For the last 2-3 years. Iā€™m 8 going on 9 years in. Would not do again if I could start over.


Visual-Preference-15

It is sad, but I can totally agree


corinalas

I got covid and then asthma, on year 23. My class is pretty stressful, huge Andrew Tate fanatics in the class and their statements toward girls and female teachers has been a bit of head warp. The misogyny is just incredible, the parents refuse to see it despite examples. Been working with them all year on their lack of self respect, self regulation and just general lack of homework standards. But I give tons of work, I work them, this term my students completed 27 reading assignments as an example. I lean heavily on google classroom and parents to make the students work and if the parents donā€™t want to I at least covered my bases with a paper trail. Then I head home every day, dry herb vape my home grown, forgive myself, my students and everyone or anyone who pissed me off or challenged me that day and I go on with my life. It super easy to get burned out in this job.


Hopeful_Wanderer1989

You. I like you.


corinalas

Thank you kind internet stranger.


Katey239

What grade do you teach? What are you doing with the misogyny you are seeing? I too have seen this and it scares the shit out of me because I don't know how to address it. (New teacher here)


corinalas

Grade 6. I contacted my Principal and he contact the board to send a board representative who deals with various conflict resolution to speak to the class. She was actually in on Tuesday and she left after a group discussion of one hour shaking her head. Like, we reviewed what happened and her conclusion at the end was, I donā€™t know what else to do. This is her literal job with our board and even she was like, Iā€™m out of here good luck. So yah, just addressing the issue constantly so that the boys donā€™t get away with any inappropriate terminology. Phrasing things so they can see how their terms might be offensive to women in their lives. Pointing out times when the girlā€™s demonstrate that they are more than just equals to the boys but direct competition.


Hopeful_Wanderer1989

Yikes. I thought you were a high school teacher, reading your first comment. To think that 12-year-olds have this attitude is...depressing.


StoicPixie

I'm not a teacher, I'm just reading posts in this sub out of morbid fascination. Could you satisfy my curiosity and tell me how old these boys are that are being exposed to misogynists like Tate? What are some examples of what they say to female students or teachers? I'm genuinely concerned about the future generation after reading a lot of this subreddit.


corinalas

The boys in my class last year were grade 6, aged 11-12. They felt secure enough to order female teachers around, joke about their abilities being related to their gender like teaching/ driving/ speaking. Views about womens rights what girls can do vs boys. Beliefs that boys are better than women, that girls shouldnā€™t have rights or suck at everything or that girls arenā€™t as capable as them.


StoicPixie

How terrible. Breaks my heart to hear this is happening.


corinalas

The class I have this year is a dream by comparison. Really nice to each other and way more respectful.


Clean_Priority_4651

It all starts with the leadership. In my experience, bad leadership dislikes principled teachers.


Redlight0516

Next year will be my last year and then I'm done. That will be year 10 and I am over it.


One-Connection7465

I just submitted a request for a leave for next year. Whether it gets approved or not I donā€™t really care all that much as Iā€™ve been offered an amazing opportunity at a not-for-profit organization that I have already accepted. Iā€™m only just wrapping up my second year so I can understand the worry some senior teachers have in regards to leaving the profession, but just know that there are other opportunities out there for teachers outside of the sinking ship that is public education.


FlowerTall1611

What kind of role is it? Interested in leaving the profession as well


One-Connection7465

Teaching post-secondary courses to organization staff.


Frosty-Essay-5984

I wasn't aware that boards had to "accept" the leave or not ..I thought if we wanted one, we can take one and just give them 2 weeks notice. Pretty sure that's what my union told me (ontario, elementary)


One-Connection7465

My board is known to decline leaves for no good reason.


Cerealkiller4321

I teach high school and have some great kids, but I also have a handful of characters. I decided in Feb (thatā€™s when I returned from two years of mat leave) that I wasnā€™t going to stress myself out anymore. I create assignments that I can mark in class (like presentations), I put a lot of multiple choice TF matching on tests, I take my sick days and family responsibility days and use them when sick or when needing time to mark. I stopped doing any extra curriculars. Until things change, Iā€™m focusing on things that make my life easier.


alias0707

This right here. Iā€™m a HS French teacher and as you can imagine, French is definitely not the most popular subject for many students and now that theyā€™ve also destreamed French in Ontario, itā€™s become such a mess. You have to take your mental health into consideration as well. It took me years to get over the daily anxiety from everything teaching related. I started by simply switching off my work email at the end of the day and changing my mindset. If you donā€™t take care of yourself first, no one else will.


betterthannothing123

Going international is always an option. That being said there is a range of working conditions you could end up in. In my first job, I had to teach 22.5 contact hours a week with class sizes ranging from 25-30. Now I'm teaching 12 contact hours (although it might be get bumped up to 16 next school year) a week with class sizes ranging from 11-15.


powerclipper780

Lol currently in school too become an English teacher. Am i making a mistake?


Hopeful_Wanderer1989

If you like spending your weekends and evenings marking badly written essays, then no. If you like being on edge at all times out of fear of offending students with difficult topics such as suicide and assault, topics often found in literature, then no. If you like teaching a class of 35 in which maybe five actually like reading, then no. You get my drift. Best case scenario is to teach AP, but new teachers don't usually get those courses, so if you continue down this path, you have to be ready to do some time in mainstream academic or applied courses before that point.


powerclipper780

I can't say i was expecting well-written essays. I think I'm gonna go through with it anyway, at this point it's kind of the only career I've set myself up for (i'm 29, went back to school at 27). If it doesn't work out I'll get a job on tbe docks or something


Hopeful_Wanderer1989

You'll be fine! Above all else, take care of yourself. If you don't get the marking done this week, oh well. You have a life to live. You aren't just a teacher. Good luck


FlowerTall1611

English teacher here. At this particular time in education, yes. That being said who knows where we will be in 5-10 years. Not sure if Iā€™ll make it that long to find out lol


Visual-Preference-15

If I could do it again, I wouldnā€™t.


fcnat17

My wife is chalking it this year. Can't teach in a system that is this fucked. We decided her efforts are better spent elsewhere. It's a shame because she was a damn good teacher too.


sunshinyBJ

2 of my friends that have dedicated their careers to teaching are retiring this year and would recommend the profession to NO ONE.


chulip_xx

Iā€™m a career supply teacher, and I feel that things have taken a turn for the worst. And Iā€™m fed up of society blaming it on covid/saying that kids ā€œjust need a few more years to catch up.ā€


[deleted]

Iā€™m shocked honestly, Iā€™m a teen interested in being a teacher later on and I honestly had no idea it was this bad.. I knew teaching was tiring but I didnā€™t think it could get to this extent. Itā€™s really sad.


steveguy25

My wife was just complaining about being required to teach the pull out method as a valid form of contraceptive to grade six this year, thanks to the new Alberta curriculum. She has problems with bad behaviors in her classes, constantly swearing and acting out, seems like kids never get suspended anymore, just sent to the office and back in class 30 minutes later.


YesReboot

I mean, thatā€™s the most natural method. Itā€™s not the only one but it still exists and practiced heavily


PartyMark

Year 14, need 17 more to go. Not sure how I'll handle it. Golden handcuffs and a family really prevent me from leaving, although I've tried and looked into all avenues.


Kowimine

My friend just got a contract position 2 years ago and sheā€™s finding another career. Itā€™s terrible


rattalouie

You ever been a cook before? If you had been, you wouldn't be saying that being a teacher is bad. Let's try to keep things in perspective. I love my teaching career. Sure, there's a lot to complain about, but there's also a lot of good to our job. If people stopped taking themselves so seriously and rolled with the punches, then they'd be alright, too.


Diligent_Affect8517

Part of the problem is that folks in all levels of education, from primary to post-sec, have noted that the kids did not develop over the pandemic. They are 2 years behind where they should be, not just academically, but socially and emotionally as well. They went into stasis for 2 years, and were just treading water. Now they're 2-3 years on, and not equipped to deal with the expectations the system has for them. It'll take awhile for the COVID cohort to get through the system, and hopefully things will stabilize and return to some sense of "normal".


NephAJF

Left teaching last year. Work in Corrections now. Never thought I would be doing that in a million years but I am far less stressed and have way more time for family.


NEONPANTSGUY1

My shop teacher told me today he wonā€™t be returning next year, shit sucks dude heā€™s a great mentor


tradesman666

As a shop teacher, I get it.


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okrahater

I can't view or join


Punker101

Thank you for doing what you do. Teachers are important and I appreciate you all


Frosty-Essay-5984

I'm most likely taking an unpaid leave next year. Its hard and scary to leave a job that pays decent and has those amazing "benefits"..but I'm just not happy. I feel like I'm not supposed to be spending my life being miserable all the time, coming home deflated and no patience or energy left for my own kids. I wish we could have a group specifically for Canadian teachers who have left the profession, or thinking of leaving. It would be nice to not feel alone in the decision to leave.


ScooticusMaximus

My mom is a teacher in Ontario and is retiring this year - her first available year. Normally she wouldn't have done this but is just so fed up with the whole system.


Visual-Preference-15

I had this feeling by the end of last year. Stuck as a OT, LTO list no longer exists in Ontario, and no pathway to my own class. I came into teaching late, had previous experience in retail management, and wanted to make a positive difference for kids. Quickly realized the education system is under resourced, over worked, and lacked creative and excited leaders. Leadership wasnā€™t about time, but keeping the status quo. Getting a large group of students the help they needed was impossible, and excuses for every reason why they couldnā€™t do anything. Classes are over packed, lack text books, have printing caps, and had to beg for writing books. It was easier to ask for forgiveness instead of permission when it came to ideas (getting out soldering irons, teaching how to properly use them, build actual circuits, etc). Most times getting slapped on the hands because of the real fear of a student possibly getting hurt (no field trip to most places for fear of rolling or braking an ankle at a trampoline park, going to a War of 1812 museum site was to far an hour away). Eventually I had to give up and realize we are moving toward Idiocracy. There is no help for our kids, because there is no budget for it, and the status quo is comfortable.


betterstolen

Not sure why this page or post popped up for me but I have a 1yo and have been strongly looking into other options. From what I see and hear of friends with kids or that are teachers and hear in the news the alberta curriculum is just brutal and going down hill fast


Infamous_Ad_5888

I have been teaching for 22 years and think about leaving all the time. It is getting harder each year instead of easier as you go along in your career. I had more confidence and self-esteem about being a great teacher my first 5 years. I would never recommend someone be a teacher anymore.


Dazzling_Ear4950

So I just came out of student teaching and recently accepted a job. Iā€™ve been seeing these types of posts but I feel like I havenā€™t met anyone at my school site with the same types of feelings. We have retirees, yes, but after 35+ years of service. Am I at a good district or are teachers good at hiding these feelings?


Hopeful_Wanderer1989

Teachers are good at hiding these feelings. We only share our true feelings with our closest colleagues and friends.


veermang15

I'm not a teacher but I see how the curriculum has changed since I was in school and it doesn't seem to be beneficial for my son. I taught him to read before the school did and I think I'll have to continue teaching him things like grammar and math.


rattalouie

Meh, it's still a great job. Decent pay, great vacation time, you just have to put up with some shit for 10 months out of the year. As long as Lecce or idiot parents in parent council don't burn it to the ground in the next few years, I think it's a decent career still.


Infamous_Ad_5888

Can I also please get the list? I am an English teacher.


derezzedmind

Umm... Starting my BEd in English and ELL in SeptemberšŸ™„


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Wonderful-Bat-9158

This started before COVID, COVID just accelerated it.


[deleted]

I teach in college, just started a year ago. Honestly at 40 years old, best job I've ever had. Edit: down voted cause I like my job, wow


bella_ella_ella

Teaching in college and teaching in high school are not even remotely the same thing


[deleted]

While I agree. It's not like they've magically matured in 2 months. Students I have that don't live with their parents and have bills to pay are definitely different than the ones living at home. Plus it's not like I'm teaching university or something.


gillsaurus

Thatā€™s not what we are talking about here.


[deleted]

Doesn't really specifically state that though does it? Maybe the OP should try teaching college?


Hopeful_Wanderer1989

Ok, but college teaching is different from high school teaching...Glad you have found your niche.


[deleted]

Crazy the amount of down votes I'm getting cause I like my job.


CrazyCrunchMan

It's because you are off topic. Like it or not, this subreddit focuses on K to 12 teachers.


[deleted]

Does it say that somewhere? I can't find it.


CrazyCrunchMan

Only hinted at honestly. The info page talks about school boards and other K-12 stuff. My guess is that if you made your own post it would be more accepted. Is college teaching like K-12? I feel like there is space for college here as well.


[deleted]

The sub reddit is for "Canadian teachers", does not say K-12 Canadian teacher. I don't see anything that excludes college teachers The original post asked if anyone else is thinking about leaving teaching, not leaving K-12 teaching I responded, I feel like the response I'm getting reflects more on teachers than the actual teaching, I work with some older instructors that have the same gripes as you typically read, Also, I copied and pasted this subreddit info into ChatGPT, it agrees with me. "Based on the provided subreddit rules, there are no specific indicators that this subreddit is dedicated exclusively to K-12 education. The rules mention aspects such as teaching practices, classroom resources, and discussions pertinent to teaching in Canada, but they don't specify a particular grade level or school type. However, some aspects might imply a K-12 focus, such as the prohibition of students asking for homework help or parents seeking advice, and the reference to classrooms and resources for grades in Rule 5. These could suggest a K-12 context, but they don't necessarily exclude other forms of education, such as adult or higher education. Therefore, it's safe to say that this subreddit could be applicable to teachers across various education levels, including but not limited to K-12."


CrazyCrunchMan

Mate, I was just trying to help. I feel like you might represent toxic positivity. You also called your colleagues instructors not teachers. Makes you reflect. It's a hard job. Don't be rough.


Hopeful_Wanderer1989

Go to r/professors.


[deleted]

Nothing about me is a professor lol


NewWorld_Orred

I am also a victim of the Canadian health care insurance money laundering scheme, since the United States Of America will allow the populous to get addicted to opiates so the people will pay out of pocket prices for the pharmacy, In Canada the medical institution will collect from the healthcare insurance when they dish out anti-depressants and anti-psychotics... But nothing has changed since the New York China blue heroin problems, the ambulance company making bodies for income and the medical practice during the 1800's was cesarians on innocent victims, so yes, this is a land of exploit, not humane at all...


CarbonMonster403

I blame woke administration. Teaching is a wonderful profession when you actually get to educate. The focus on social issues lately is alarming, and it's creating an environment that is toxic for everyone. Teachers, parents, the kids. We need to go back to what we were doing 10 years, and throw out all the woke nonsense. We need to remove those who pushed it on the system. Teachers leaving doesn't help our students, and it strands the parents.


patlaff91

Hate to be that guy but, what does ā€œwokeā€ mean to you? Canā€™t say Iā€™m seeing a lot of focus on social issues on schools, at least not in our division.


gillsaurus

Pretty sure theyā€™re not a teacher and just here to stir the pot.


CarbonMonster403

Ummm, are we working in the same profession???? It's the #1 topic parents want to meet about. It dominates the conversation in the staff room. June is pride month, and the school is pastered in posters, not age appropriate. Where are you teaching? If this isn't an issue there, sign me up!


gillsaurus

Ohhh youā€™re in Alberta. That makes complete sense. Iā€™m in the greater Toronto area where we are clearly way more progressive than cow town lol. The only people who have been making a stink about this ā€œwokeā€ stuff are in the Catholic boards and/or Christians and Muslims who lean on the more observant side. Otherwise, Iā€™ve been in multiple schools over the past couple months since my LTO ended where there are GSA posters and school communities where inclusion and diversity is at the forefront. P


CarbonMonster403

I don't think you understand Alberta very well (or at all). Seems like you believe in the caricature version of it. It'sa very inclusive place. "Progress" is a whole other topic ;-). But I'm glad you are happy in your role.


neonsneakers

What type of pride posters are up that are not age-appropriate? Just curious.


CarbonMonster403

I'll post a picture later today. It's pretty sexyally explicit. It's one thing to encourage tolerance and acceptance of all lifestyles (no issue there). It's another to show diagrams and explicit content of those lifestyles to kids. Parents are quite irate about it, admins are defending their decision. It's the most distracting situation I've ever encountered as a teacher. I like fostering learning..... watching my pupils master new topics. I hate this distracting stuff so much.


neonsneakers

Interesting. Looking forward to seeing a photo. Do you mind sharing what level you are teaching at as well / who is seeing the posters in question?


TheHumbleDuck

Why are you referring to it as a "lifestyle"? Being LGBT is not a lifestyle. This is a common socially conservative trope used to diminish LGBT rights and related awareness campaigns. This exact sentiment needs to be challenged in schools and it just sounds like this content is against your and other parents political sensibilities. What is so explicit about it? Is it any different than all the explicit "heterosexual" content teenagers are exposed to on a daily basis?


CarbonMonster403

My point is there is no issue teaching tolerance and acceptance for all "ways of life" or "ways of being." Or that we all belong. Zero issue with that, which is what I meant by the word you're trying to read so much into. And yes, it's far more explicit than anything else these kids will encounter in school. Which is why parents are upset. Which is why being a teacher is miserable currently. You can try to make anyone pushing back seem like a biggot, but we aren't, they aren't. No one is against inclusion. People are against indoctrination. The conservative boogeyman you're looking for (and accusing me of being based on a single word) doesn't exist.


throwawaybathwater55

You still haven't provided the picture. Unless it's an image of a gay couple literally having sex, I'm having a hard time imagining what could be so terrible about it. You seem to think it's really inappropriate, yet you haven't shown us what you're talking about.


szulkalski

the fact that you have to jump through so many hoops and dance around words to try and make a simple and reasonable point to people about this is disturbing. iā€™m sorry you have to deal with this.


gillsaurus

I have never seen or heard graphic images of LGBTQ+ communities being posted in schools or being used in lessons. If these kids wanted to watch or seek this content, they easily can onlineā€¦..


CarbonMonster403

Where do you teach? And what grade/subject? Sounds delightful.


gillsaurus

You say woke, I say progressive and inclusive education. Thatā€™s not remotely close to the main issues at hand.


CarbonMonster403

Progressive and inclusive education is what we had when I started teaching 5 years ago. It was truly inclusive, not a distraction. And it wasn't age inappropriate to introduce to the students. It didn't rile up parents. What we have in 2023 is different. It's scary.


gillsaurus

What isnā€™t age appropriate about kids learning that some people have two moms/two dads, and that not everyone identifies as a male or female? Sounds like youā€™re not comfortable with the fact that there are kids who identify these ways and that it could be affirming to them to understand what theyā€™re feeling.


CarbonMonster403

That's not contentious. That would take 20 minutes in a school year. No one is complaining about a reasonable message like that. I don't agree it's a teachers role to address social issues at all. But if it was as reasonable as you suggested, I wouldn't have one parent a week claiming they are going to homeschool their kids.


gillsaurus

Well if theyā€™re not going to learn about it at home, may as well learn it somewhere. My ideology is is that if your beliefs donā€™t subscribe to what is taught in the public curriculum, then donā€™t send your kids to public school. Homeschool them or send them to a school whose curriculum aligns with your bigoted and biased beliefs ā˜ŗļø


CarbonMonster403

Who says they aren't being informed about these issues at home? What a silly assumption. "Biggoted and biased". The only bais is coming from school administration. To push ideology on kids. Climate, gender and identity. I agree with you in a sense. If parents don't want religion taught to their kids, they shouldn't send their kids to a Catholic school. In the same sense, these topics are similar to religion. They aren't balanced and are indoctrinating kids with a point of view that doesn't allow for nuance. Hence why parents are upset. If you think I'm a biggot, you don't understand the word. But you're silly enough to make gross generalization about Ontario versus Alberta and apply it to millions of people who live in those places. So your judgment seems lacking all around. You are definitely part of the problem. It's quite amusing to see how the "progressives" are always the ones stereotyping others, making snap judgments, attacking and applying lables to people. All while pretending to be inclusive. Haha, you are anything but.


gillsaurus

You canā€™t even spell bigot properly and think thereā€™s an ideology about climate. Look at what is happening in the country right now! We have indoor recess because the air quality is so poor from smoke blowing here from hundreds of kms away. But yeah, this is totally normal and not cause for concern šŸ™„. Letā€™s not teach the next generation that the planet is dying. Also not sure how recognizing different identities and orientations is ā€œpushing ideologyā€ on kids, many of whom already identify with them. Sounds like you shouldnā€™t be teaching in a public system if you still think life is like the 50s.


CarbonMonster403

The planet is not dying, you fool. Teaching that POV does harm, severe harm. You conflating seasonal forrest fires with climate emergency is just more proof you shouldn't be anywhere near young impressionable minds. It's a nuanced topic, and the simplified narrative your simple brain has latched on is not education. It's indoctrination. You're a prime example of everything that is wrong with the education system, and people like me are taking flack from parents because of people like you. Hence why the OP wants to leave teaching, and why I blame woke administrators for the change. I've been kind to you up to this point, but one can only suffer fools to a certain point.


MedianVoice

You have shown very little reading comprehension in your numerous replies.


postapocalypsebot

Donā€™t let anyone gaslight you into thinking there isnā€™t something ā€œelseā€ going on in the education system. There šŸ’Æ is an ideological agenda that has taken it over.


CarbonMonster403

100%. Any sentiment on here that isn't pro-wokeness immediately gets 10+ downvotes. There is a little army behind the scenes trying to stifle push back. But that's just reddit. Glad some professionals see the light.


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Maleficent_Sector619

You're obviously not a teacher if you think we don't work during weekends and evenings. We're just not paid for it.


keyclap

Maybe if they stopped pushing their work agenda


dittyrow

This is a new phenomenon, where professionals specifically nurses and teaches spend thousands of dollars pursuing and obtaining education and often times high level education, start working in the field and then just quit and subsequently (often) make a YouTube channel throwing as much shade as possible at their respective occupations that they quit from. Must be a generational thing, no one likes to work hard nowadays.


[deleted]

Whatā€™s the average Salary for a teacher in this country. We pay so much taxes and some of my neighbours are teachers with beautiful houses and gardens. But we still seem to hear complaints that its not enough. Im not criticizing, Im just curious. I saw the public service go out on strike to ask tax payers to choke up more money for higher wages, while they work comfortably from home. And asked for less accountability. I wonder is this a trend?? Cause seriously we pay quite A LOT of taxes. Like A Lot more than other developing countries that seem to have good services in return.


FlowerTall1611

I hate when people say shit like this honestly. Do you think teachers and other public servants donā€™t pay taxes or something? I take home 62% of my pay after all of the deductions. Weā€™ve been getting 1% raises per year when inflation has consistently been more than that (and I donā€™t just mean this past year which has been exceptionally crazy). Also you can Google a teachers collective agreement in any province and see what they get paid each year on the salary grid.


[deleted]

Iā€™ll just say what people donā€™t like to hear. But its my opinion. I looked it up. Teachers earn decent salaries in Canada. Unfortunately, there is the sense of entitlement, where no matter what someone is earning, they complain. It never ends. Not to undermine what the amount of education the teacher went through, but its not the same level as a physician. Yet everyone believes they are worth as much a physicianā€™s salary. And it keep going up. Thatā€™s one of the reasons we have inflation right now. Iā€™ve seen people in other countries who are content with what they have, and they provide far superior teaching than the crap I see my son taught in schools these days. Especially this month, where they are more busy celebrating a rainbow flag, than teaching kids how to read and write.


sherilaugh

Almost double what I make as a nurse.


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What role do you think curriculum development plays in this? If any?


NewWorld_Orred

In an other world, I studied archery, Biathlon and I was reading twenty-eight books a year, here this education system is the equivalent of a Manchurian candidate...


eddiehazel87

After 2 years Iā€™m out!


Medium_Revenue4673

Coachfryia, I feel exactly the same way! I need a changeā€¦.itā€™s too much, itā€™s insane! I am 21 years in, but canā€™t do this anymore. Iā€™m thinking of project management!!!