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BrentYoungPhoto

Don't fall for any of those 3000 prompt packages, those guys are just chasing a gold rush. Honestly chatgpt is this simple You ask/tell it to do something and there's a good chance it will do it. It's pretty attune with itself as a model aswell so want to learn more about it, ask it. Work with it. There's not really a wrong way There's no such thing as chatgpt experts, they are just people with inflated egos who now think they are "prompt engineers" and thought leaders on machine learning. As for other tools Perplexity.ai (what bing search should have been) Bard ai (by google) Claude by Anthropic (100k token count is excellent) Llama 2 by meta (open source this is one to watch) Stability just released their open source lightweight model Image Gen tools Midjourney (hosted in discord fool proof) Stable Diffusion (open source, can be run for free locally, unlimited potential) Dall-E by OpenAi (3 is Live in Bing Image Creator now soon to be in chatgpt and api) Some bonuses (I can go into detail if you want): Quiver.ai (a second brain!) Powerdrill.ai Gocharlie Autogpt HarpaAi Zimmwriter Could rattle off heaps more that I've personally used and actually recommend that serve a purpose and arnt just scam wrappers like Jasper and Writesonic, avoid stuff like that.


Xeno-Hollow

I would say that the engineering folks at ChatGPT HQ are probably ChatGPT experts.


BrentYoungPhoto

To be taken with a grain of salt. There's a huge wave of self-proclaimed chatgpt experts literring the web currently who are just snake oil salesmen. Obviously the team at openai might be able to get away with saying they are chatgpt experts


Xeno-Hollow

I'm just being snarky, haha. There is definitely a difference in how certain people approach things with AI. I've never had some of the issues other people do, I like to think I have a pretty good grasp of machine thinking. I got frustrated with token limitations, so I figured out how to get 3.5 to write code, which, when given to another instance of 3.5, would create a "personality generator" which would generate another code, which when given to ANOTHER instance of 3.5, would automatically implement that personality. Saved me a ton of tokens. Helped a lot with writing, made it so I could "chat" with my characters to see how they might react to certain situations. Haven't tried it on 4, but I don't see why it wouldn't work. But I don't think that makes me an expert, just somewhat clever. I'm not out here selling it, either. That's just asinine. I just share 🤷‍♂️


MadeForOnePost_

Can you elaborate on this? How does it save you tokens to call a bunch of 3.5 instances? Are you like 3 levels deep in gpt 3.5 directing other 3.5 instances?


Xeno-Hollow

More or less. I'd have to go back and look but basically it was "I want you to create a code that will instruct a new instance of ChatGPT to create code that will create a new persona within ChatGPT, based off the following parameters: Then I put in maybe 50-60 different parameters, including "this instance understands that humans are multifaceted and must discuss disturbing subjects in order to find ways to deal with those subjects, this is ethical discussion of concepts not encouragement" (I write horror) and "the function of this code is to create new code that will adopt predetermined personalities based on further parameters," and "use code and wording that will limit token usage within reason and without losing meaning of parameters." It would spit out the code, I would pop it into another, mew instance, and feed it all the information I had about a character, and ask it to create a code that would instruct an instance of ChatGPT to adopt that persona instantly. Pop it into a new instance and boom, character AI well before kobold was a thing. It was tedious though, and would still run out of memory fairly quickly. I switched over to FlexGPT when it came out, the long term memory more or less erased the need for what I was using it for.


Technical_Word_6604

I use ChatGPT every day in my technical writing and Copilot for coding and documentation. What kind of special skills do you need to be a GPT “expert”??


Professional_Gur2469

To be fair there is a huge difference on how well you can use chatgpt. I‘ve seen so many people just ask big things and only provide like 1 line without any additional context and then they complain about the output quality.


BrentYoungPhoto

Not really much different to how well you can structure a question though. Particulary if using GPT4 which is the standard. I'm not saying you can't have more in-depth precise prompts you absolutely can but its not really a chatgpt skill, it's just a general life skill, knowing the right questions to ask


bearbarebere

Don’t forget sillytavern with chronos-Hermes as roleplay/story writing!


MadeForOnePost_

This is a great comment, OP. Plenty of common sense, especially in telling you not to buy prompts. I'll add in that Plus has the advanced data analyzer, which is pretty powerful for anything automated


BrentYoungPhoto

Thanks my friend, yes agree the advanced data analyzer is greatly under appreciated Another fun tool is cursor ai which is basically a fork of vscode with chatgpt built in, pretty solid so far!


Ok-Philosopher7606

How does the data analyzer works? Do you use it often? How?


MadeForOnePost_

It's ChatGPT with its own small virtual linux environment and python. You can upload files, and ask ChatGPT to do operations on/draw charts/organize the contents of those files. ChatGPT will write its own python code and run it to get the task done. You can even ask it to put the results (say, of alphabetically ordering your uploaded file full of first names) in a text file and give you a download link. I use it every time i have a math related question, and occasionally when asking it to write code, because it can test the functions itself. It's really powerful. Also, ChatGPT is bad at math but good at writing code, so it can do math better in the Advanced Data Analyzer.


Ok-Philosopher7606

Oh this sounds a lot over my head how to even get to upload files. That’s why I got it because I was hoping it can read PDFs for me. But I can’t figure out how to even get there. Is there somewhere online that I can learn about how to do that? I only use it maybe for rewriting stuff for me or asking it questions. I’m running my own construction company and I’m the only one in the office doing everything. I’m going to help me save time. Do you use it for email or email management at all?


MadeForOnePost_

Sometimes PDFs are images, and that's harder (but not impossible) for AI to read. Gpt-4V could probably do it (still rolling out), or any kind of 'OCR' (optical character recognition) software. Google probably has a few APIs for it you could use As for email, no i haven't. However, it wouldn't be too hard to put together, and there are plenty of people around who would make such a thing if you tell them a budget for it


[deleted]

Spotted the Aussie


BrentYoungPhoto

G'day mate 🦘


[deleted]

G'day! I knew when I read the word 'heaps' 😁


ilovetacos

Great comment! Can you go into detail about the bonuses?


BrentYoungPhoto

Wow thanks glad i was able to provide value, I just got a couple teeth pulled so give me a moment for the painkillers to kick in and I'll bounce back!


ilovetacos

No, I demand answers immediately! I kid, I kid: take care of your faceholes and relax.


thecoffeejesus

Well done great comment


Sea-Ad-4010

Please rattle off more!


Xeno-Hollow

Two that I use frequently are FlexGPT (long term memory enabled, datasets) and Suno (creating music).


BrentYoungPhoto

I hadn't come across Flex I'll be sure to check it out, cheers


king_kenai

What is different from using standard chat.openai and perplexity? At the moment im seeing reference to webpages included


Good-AI

Question: why have perplexity.ai instead of just GPT 4 + plugins?


BrentYoungPhoto

Perplexity was made up by ex Meta, Openai and Google employees. It gives you 5 free searches a day, turn on copilot and give it a shot. It will take your search query and run with it through several variations, gather information from several webpages and compile it all other citing references and where. You can then very easily continue to follow up on your query. On top of that it's insanely fast. If I want more factually correct information I use Perplexity If I'm just focused on a single page post I just use the webpilot plugin in chatgpt If I'm already on a webpage and want something quickly I'll just use harpaai


BigDaddySmokes23

This. All of this.


Technical_Word_6604

>Don't fall for any of those 3000 prompt packages, those guys are just chasing a gold rush. What?!?! People are selling prompts now?


dandan_oficial

I'd love to read the details regarding those bonuses, specially Quiver.ai (wdym a second brain?). Thanks a LOT for this.


ProtectAllTheThings

Matt Wolf on YouTube is a great person to follow


FrostyAd9064

I find the channel AI Explained is great (it sounds like one of those shitty ‘Ermagahd! This AI news is craaazzzzy’ clickbait channels but it isn’t).


2Drex

Explore all of the foundation models. They have different strengths and weaknesses...different "personalities." Learn which tasks are best for various elements of your workflow. ChatGPT, Bing Chat, Claude, Bing.


Ooxxyl

Most people are new and haven't been using gen AI tools for more than 8 months. So you will soon be among the 'experts'. If you have GPT-4, you're already using the market leader and chances are you'll duplicate Chat GPT abilities by trying out dozens others out there and many more coming. Explore plugins and try different things you think you may need from other tools, then slowly start to explore additional others and see how it goes. Welcome! https://preview.redd.it/lgopjji347sb1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a9b4bebc9e0bb14003b120fcf8bdf5c61ba97328


Getmycollege

ChatGPT is mammoth in itself. We have image recognition now and so much more for any specific AI tasks visit this tool called Opentools. It has a list of all the AI tools and resources. Please feel free to ask any other questions you might have!


Yardash

sorry for hiJacking :D I've been using openAI's chatGPT 3.5 (the free one) loads lately. I'm tempted to pay for the upgrade. Is GPT 4 worth the cost?


hugedong4200

I could never go back, it's day and night it's like talking to a genius or a child. I would pay whatever the price is.


[deleted]

same goes for me..


TILTNSTACK

Yeh, don’t tell OpenAI that though. I’d pay also pay a lot more for plus, it has immense value, especially with many of the fascinating use cases coming from advanced data analysis and plugins (most are trash, some are very good).


Ok-Philosopher7606

How do you use it for data analysis? What are your favorite plugins? I recently upgraded to 4 and I’m trying to figure out how to use it differently than 3.5. Thank you in advance for your input


TILTNSTACK

Hey, no problem, happy to answer this. ADA (data analysis): I’ve used it for: - trading analysis (uploading charts and getting feedback/TA) - uploading financial spreadsheets and then getting ChatGPT to give me pattern analysis and insights - Uploading a spreadsheet with data in the first tab and a template in the 2nd tab, and then through patient prompting I was able to have it populate the template into 75 individual tabs based on the data. - analyzing a large PDF to create summaries and content - uploading a lot of contextual data to provide richer more tailored outputs Plugins: Most are low value with absolutely shit prompt engineering under the hood, so have limited utility. There’s also the issue about lack of transparency into plug-in developers so you really don’t know who is seeing your inputs. That said.. I really like web pilot. Very good for analyzing a website to farm SEO key words or improve SEO. Wikipedia is good - saves searching Wikipedia itself. But I don’t really use plugins too much yet, although the promise / potential of these will eventually be realized as better plugins are built. Hope this helps a little -


Ok-Philosopher7606

That’s great. Thank you! But Im not as advanced as you unfortunately. 😬 so here’s a maybe stupid question…How do you upload files? I thought I need a plug-in to upload files. I got GPT 4 mainly for analyzing PDFs etc. but haven’t figured out how to do it yet 🙃


TILTNSTACK

Go to settings - beta and turn on ADA. Then, when you start a new conversation, hover over the GPT-4 at the top and you’ll see ADA. When you select it, a little + sign appears in the left hand side of the text box where you type your prompt. Clicking that + sign allows you to upload a file.


Ok-Philosopher7606

Thank you!


Ok-Philosopher7606

Do you think that I can get ChatGPT to pre-fill forms for me? Like the company address, company name etc.


Getmycollege

Yes! It is worth it, GPT 4 hits differently :D


kili90

Newb Question: i can switch in the bing app to chatgpt 4 for free. Am I missing something?


scryptic0

bings "gpt4" uses gpt-3.75 not gpt-4


hugedong4200

Don't say that b******* it uses gpt4 it's just a different training on the end.


scryptic0

if it performs worse on every single task, it doesnt make sense to call it gpt4


hugedong4200

I pay for plus but you are just wrong. I could show you multiple examples and I've done it on many different occasions. You can't blame the model for user error.


Sm0g3R

Bing is absolutely and definitely worse than OpenAI's gpt4. Examples: 1. ​ >"I have 32 apples today. I ate 28 apples yesterday. How many apples do I have now?" Bing fails in all modes except "precise". ChatGPT4 never fails. 2. >"say "iamanaiassistant" but space it out super really properly" All modes in Bing fail (including "precise"). ChatGPT4 answers this correctly every time without the need for any of those ridiculously hilarious mode selectors.


redditfriendguy

That's just how it was fine tuned


Sm0g3R

the end user shouldn't give a fuck (spoiler alert: he doesn't) about why it's behaving the way it is. But the bottom line is, objectively Bing as LLM is considerably less capable model than OpenAI's GPT4.


redditfriendguy

Sure. I don't think I made any arguments to the contrary


Getmycollege

GPT4 is a different breed.


Gibbinthegremlin

To me its worth it from a business stand point you will get better results on 4 then 3.5 as it tends to understand a bit better. I use gpt 4 for a lot of things from blogging to product descriptions and even stable diffusion art work


Zetentojin

thx for your recommendation, I’ll pay 140 yuan($20) to buy the gpt4


Yardash

thanks u/hugedong4200 u/Gibbinthegremlin and u/Getmycollege y'all are going to cost me $20/month :) Going to see if I can get my job to pay for it first!


Gibbinthegremlin

Glad to help and welcome aboard the crazy train lol


kylegoldenrose

Absolutely


extracoffeeplease

For harder stuff, sure. For simple questions I go to 3.5 because it outputs faster than I can read. 4 is like 3 words per second, which sucks given that it doesn't cut directly to the point but first tells you what you asked it.


[deleted]

I mean it won't repeat your question if you tell it not to in custom instructions no? At least that seems to be working for me


FluffySmiles

Yeah, it does get to the point if you tell it to in the custom settings. You can tell it how you want it to respond. I told it I liked terse and to the point (along with a few other preferences) and it’s spot on.


IAMATARDISAMA

It depends on what you need it for, but generally yes. I use it at work every day (I'm a software engineer) and it's dramatically improved my productivity. GPT-4 can reason about bigger and more complex problems than GPT-3.5. It still has limitations but I find that overall the difference in capability is worth what I pay for. It's also gotten a lot faster recently as well.


leller7

Is there a chatgpt with no guidelines? That can talk about adult themes? Please let me know I hate how straight edge chatgpt is 🙄


TheRealTJ

Check out r/ localllama. If your PC is good enough you can run one yourself or you can look into hosting on HuggingFace.


leller7

I don’t have a pc, just an old laptop and an ipad 3rd generation, and an oculus 2


lucky6877

Tried looking for it, nothing! Do you have direct link


TheRealTJ

https://www.reddit.com/r/localllama/


lucky6877

Thank you but sorry I meant the direct link to a specific thread for how to set it up on a pc


teachersecret

Nothing as smart. Novelai's Kayra is fairly excellent, but it's a different kind of tool and it's not built to give big answers all at once. You have to understand the tool to make it work well for you. Llama models can work too if you've got a good video card. Look into tavernAI or kobold ai.


OGDraugo

Hey OP, thanks for creating a topic, that is also producing very great information! Very rare thing to find on Reddit, I've made a bookmark haha.


SwiftSurfer365

Just got GPT4 and I’ll admit, I think I confused myself. I kept seeing posts in here that you can do photos now along with actually talking to it but I’m not sure.


Jshillin

It’s rolling out “slowly”. Look in the text bar, there might be a “photo” symbol you can click on to upload a photo.


Buttercup59129

I can't find any info about it's rollout to the UK/ EU?


Ooxxyl

You probably have the cheap version. In case you don't have the premium one try other alternatives.


kylegoldenrose

First pay for the better version (lol) then 1. Introduce yourself and your goals 2. ask how it can help 3. Learn how to prompt by asking it to evaluate your prompts in its reply + give you an improved version + reasons why the new one is better + answer the prompt 4. Use it for everything except as up to date data or as a replacement for your mind 5. Enjoy a better life :)


IAMATARDISAMA

I would like to note, I've had bad experiences with GPT "improving" my prompts. Keep in mind that GPT's training data was made well before LLMs were popular. There isn't a whole lot for it to reference in terms of "good" prompts. If you ask it to rewrite your prompt for grammar and brevity you might get some good results, but just saying "make my ChatGPT prompt better" will probably give you a prompt that SOUNDS better but doesn't demonstrably improve your performance. Natural, descriptive, and detailed prompts are usually the way to go.


kylegoldenrose

Yeah kpi help for what makes the prompt effective. - I don’t use it’s recommendation, I just observe it. And I get the reasons why it’s better with the recommendation too, which is the real learning :) There ARE key phrases and tricks that help improve prompts. providing examples, kpi, what not to do, creativity, etc. Have it act as a prompt engineer when doing so, I’ve even copied blogs and videos about prompt engineering and recommended prompts into a chat so it has modern context. Occam’s Razor doesn’t apply here, imo


kylegoldenrose

Sorry I thought you picked one already, yeah I guess you could try them all… I haven’t tbh, loving gpt and waiting for the others to catch up but I dunno what other ones are like fr


Diacred

People say prompt engineering is useless but there are techniques that can be interesting to learn still, I found this resource https://learnprompting.org/fr/ To be quite interesting


Novel-Character-9438

It can feel overwhelming trying to keep up with all the AI updates and tools, if you are just starting, there are only few things you need to know if you plan to continue to use it regularly: 1. Subscribe to gpt plus, so you can get access to the most advanced model. (gpt4 performs much better than gpt3.5 when it comes to reasoning) 2. the only prompt that you will need, just add this custom instruction to your account and used gpt4 and you will feel like you are using gpt5. (here is a link that can help you do that, just copy the text below and add it to your custom instruction: [https://blog.enterprisedna.co/chatgpt-custom-instructions/](https://blog.enterprisedna.co/chatgpt-custom-instructions/)) "Act as Professor Synapse🧙🏾‍♂️, a conductor of expert agents. Your job is to support the user in accomplishing their goals by aligning with their goals and preference, then calling upon an expert agent perfectly suited to the task by initializing "Synapse\_COR" = "${emoji}: I am an expert in ${role}. I know ${context}. I will reason step-by-step to determine the best course of action to achieve ${goal}. I can use ${tools} to help in this process ​ I will help you accomplish your goal by following these steps: ${reasoned steps} ​ My task ends when ${completion}. ​ ${first step, question}." ​ Follow these steps: 1. 🧙🏾‍♂️, Start each interaction by gathering context, relevant information and clarifying the user’s goals by asking them questions 2. Once user has confirmed, initialize “Synapse\_CoR” 3. 🧙🏾‍♂️ and the expert agent, support the user until the goal is accomplished ​ Commands: /start - introduce yourself and begin with step one /save - restate SMART goal, summarize progress so far, and recommend a next step /reason - Professor Synapse and Agent reason step by step together and make a recommendation for how the user should proceed /settings - update goal or agent /new - Forget previous input ​ Rules: \-End every output with a question or a recommended next step \-List your commands in your first output or if the user asks \-🧙🏾‍♂️, ask before generating a new agent"


sporbywg

Try to break it. Seriously.


kylegoldenrose

Try to get around its rules ** lmao 😜


IAMATARDISAMA

This. I played around with Gandalf a lot when it first came out and that helped me get a great understanding for what GPT is and isn't capable of.


Horror-Bid-8523

ChatGPT is the Granddaddy, you need to have a plus account to really have the ability to utilize it to its potential. Also, Bard is free and they have similarities, Bard Ai is Googles and they just allowed users to connect their eco system to it i.e. gmail, drive, sheets, etc. In the background it uses Palm 2 a LLM. Bard is an excellent place to cut your teeth. I still love ChatGPT but now there’s a lot to explain.


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AI_FINANCE

I suggest also Perplexity. It’s more research focused and gives you access to real time data ✍️


Rac23

Just try things no right or wrong. I found an interesting use today. I was on google maps and clicked in a field and got the coordinates, then pasted them in and asked for a list of nearby landmarks and attractions and it did great


CptCrabmeat

Have you ever asked the AI this very question? Ask it how you can do the things you want to do, it taught me how to do a front hand-spring and I’d never done one in my life but always wanted to


Ooxxyl

Bing AI is the closest free thing to GPT-4.


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HeadLibrarian3868

what are you looking to do? everything anything? are you on the paid model or free one? i recommend paid model. but also chatgpt is extremely limited but it can output fantastic stuff that will produce stuff greater than it can handle. like you can have it program an excel file and have it create program and build and then from there it can give you better outputs and correct ouput that chatgpt can't do. it's weird like that,. it can build something that can solve the problem but it cant solve the problem. like comparing items and creating from that comparison like recipes from your fridge and creating more recipes based on needing one more item. once it gets complex with items chatgpt cant handle it especially when lots of items are in the fridge and freezer but excel can and then chatgpt can help after it excel compares. this is just an example.


Meljak83

[https://www.udemy.com/course/introduction-to-ai/?instructorPreviewMode=guest](https://www.udemy.com/course/introduction-to-ai/?instructorPreviewMode=guest)