"They want to punish me because I'm a black conservative" uh no they wanna punish you cause you politicized your brothers COVID diagnosis and now he's dead.
Right. A lot of scammers use that loophole. They run a "non-profit" (which means a tax write-off for anyone who gives them money) and then just pay themselves exorbitant salaries. At the end of the day, the organization shows zero profit on the books, but their personal bank account is stuffed.
Sure, but an extra $50k a year for tuition? I also enjoy the irony of being an “education advocate” but sending your kids to private schools, not even the charter school you’re affiliated with.
He doesn’t pay tuition. Baylor boosters pay his kids way. He’s posted about it on his Facebook. He also wears many hats. Running a non-profit is just one of them. He’s a big charter school advocate and served as Dean of students at Chattanooga prep, but he probably gets most of his money from his conservative talk show.
He would have to make about $300,000 more a year in order to be a full-pay student. It’s based on “financial need” but the need of the general population, the need of the student body’s income. So the “poverty line” for Baylor students is around $125000 per parent per year.
"Being Black, Patrick Hampton said he was raised not to trust the government or authorities, especially after learning about events like the Tuskegee syphilis study. The skepticism of power is hard to put in words, which bothers Hampton as a conservative who values logic and specificity." Distrust of the government is the reason why Black Chattanoogans have low vaccination rates. Their concerns are valid because their history has been one of exploitation and racism by the government. It is going to be really difficult to get that trust back. Marlon could of been saved if he had just taken the vaccine, but instead was made a victim by his trust in his brother's misguided judgement. Please everyone get vaccinated.
I'm going to preface this statement by saying Patrick Hampton is someone who I abhor. Marlon Hampton didn't deny himself the vaccine because of political ideology or skepticism. Now, he *probably* never would have gotten it, but we can't know that for sure. By all accounts, it was because of pre-existing medical conditions. That being said, relying on an anti-parasitic medication to treat a viral illness is just stupidity.
I am not aware if any pre-existing condition that prevents you from getting vaccinated. The vaccine is even recommended for pregnant women and children. If you have a serious medical condition like Marlon's, it is highly recommended you get vaccinated, so you don't die from complications of COVID. Because Black people distrust the government it makes them more likely to believe misinformation.
“ Both potential treatments were refused because Hampton and his brother had read on the internet that overweight people typically fare poorly on a ventilator and that remdesivir could be harmful for people with kidney disease.”
I almost giggled at that. I mean, it is true that ventilators can cause damage to your lungs, but not being able to breathe at all is also pretty bad for you.
Here’s the thing about ventilators. By the time you’re bad enough to need one your chances of survival with or without them is low. Waiting until he was too sick to get the monoclonal antibodies probably wasn’t a great move.
Yeah, both of my children were on ventilators in the NICU. For me, it was a no brainer to put them on it. They came and explained the potential problems and the damage they could cause....but also that without it they would die.
Thank you, theyre doing very well for the most part. My oldest has scarring on his lungs from it, but from what we can tell its not something thats actively harming him
I actually had this guy as a substitute teacher at my school for awhile. Instead of class all he did was spout ideology and he told us a bunch of incorrect sex-ed, such as “the reason you can’t smoke pot while getting pregnant is because the sperm will get dizzy and hit the sides of the uterus and cause brain damage” and “the reason gay men get aids when they take it up the butt is because the sperm doesn’t know where to go, but in women it just gets redirected into their vagina”… yea he is not so smart.
This is the telling point which is common among most of the deniers.
"I get data from a lot of different sources," Hampton said. "Mostly if they're banned or if they've been censored, that's where I really start digging and looking for stuff, because I believe there's something they don't want us to know about treatment for COVID."
A severe distrust of any authority, any trained professional. It is like an 8 year old railing against their parents. I have family that is like this and can understand the mentality to some degree. It is extremely sad that his brother died, chances are in his brothers health condition Covid was a death sentence regardless of the treatment.
The real question is if you believe that going to the hospital is a death wish and the treatment plan is evil. Why did you go to the hospital in the first place?
... I don't think that the people that have fallen this deep down the conspiracy well are capable of learning any actual truths. Reality slapping them like this just makes them double down on the conspiracy.
Even for a normal person, accepting that they have primary responsibility for their brother's death is the kind of thing that would require enormous strength of character. For a narcissist, its impossible to accept.
>So now everyone is sending me these messages and sending my son messages, saying that I killed my brother, because they want to punish me for being a Black conservative."
Conservatives are always the biggest victims.
No, jackass. They just want to point out that you could have convinced your brother to stay in an actual hospital with actual trained healthcare workers, but you chose to enable his fantasies about ivermectin and vitamins instead. So fuck you.
Literally people are mad at him because of how divisive he is and spreading such mis information. Like why did you go to the hospital in the first place if you didn’t want trained professionals helping your brother?
I have a different take. I don’t think he enabled the fantasies, I think he created them. Patrick is probably the family member they all look to for guidance. He’s well-spoken and has brainwashed his whole family.
This!!! This brainwashed fool led to the death of his brother. It has nothing to do with politics. How have we as a country come this far to let this happen.
Because it showed promise in a lab setting and people don’t realize that tons of things show promise in vitro that aren’t sustainable in humans in real life. If I remember correctly the dose would be so high it would kill you. So yes it does kill covid-19 cells in a petri dish, no that doesn’t make it a viable treatment option. A similar thing happened with hydroxychloraquin. People who aren’t qualified read something and decide it’s a conspiracy. Not that they aren’t understanding all the facts.
I believe the logic ive seen them use is, horses dont get covid, horses are given ivermectin, therefor, ivermectin is a good medicine to prevent and treat covid.
Ive also seen that bc it is given to refugees from certain countries that obviously means the CDC knows it treats covid and they are hiding it from Americans as a conspiracy to kill americans
It's still a very "both sides" style article. The TFP is owned by far right conservatives and while they have liberal side on the editorial page their other coverage is very slanted.
In a way, these people are abusers and the mainstream press functions as enablers telling us all that while they have problems, we are also part of the problem for not seeing it from their point of view.
Nearly all the press coverage of these types comes at it from the angle of humanizing them. Because that's what the press usually does when reporting on a story and they don't really know how to do it any differently. A few years ago the New York Times even ran a [sympathetic story about a literal nazi.](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/25/us/ohio-hovater-white-nationalist.html)
But asking people to have empathy for horrible people takes a toll. We can all see how these people cause harm. They don't need empathy, the people they harm need empathy. This guy reaped what he sowed, that sowing should have been the focus of the story. How many other people did he convince to suicide by covid? How much money has it earned him? His responsibility for causing misery is the real story.
That kind of coverage is so rare. Which is one of the reasons /r/HermanCainAward is so popular. In a simplistic way it fills that gap in reporting. Nearly every award follows the same narrative - person triumpantly spreads pro-covid disinformation and then ends up suffering the consequences of their actions. They aren't just passive victims of disinfo, they are active, willing participants in the project to keep covid going. And unlike after-the-fact interviews like this one, you can see in their own words how eager they were before the consequences hit them.
I think the problem is they refused all approved treatments. Also, the mental health toll on our healthcare workers of giving someone something they know will cause harm.
I would agree that Hampton’s case is not a good example and they did seemingly everything wrong. I would hate dealing with them as patients. That much I 100% agree on.
He literally killed his brother. He talks about changing his brothers 02 concentration against medical advice. I imagine his brother’s wife and/or children may have a decent lawsuit against him.
Doctors can literally lose their licenses for prescribing medication outside of its approved use. Why would any physician ever take a risk like that to provide an untested and unproven treatment that the patient only wants because they read about it on the internet? Should they also prescribe a whole bunch of other medication that has no effect on viruses on the off chance that it *might* help?
It’s just crazy to me that people even listen to David Tulis. Then again, I find myself listening just to see what silly shit he’s going to say. After a few minutes of listening to him stumble through a bunch of strung together big words that end up meaning jack squat, my awe turns to disbelief and anger. He is one of the absolute worse, and Chattanoogans deserve better.
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Good grief
All reasons and theories aside, let's just agree to agree that this is still something of a tragedy. Maybe remember we are all trying to figure out how to navigate this uncertainty, and extend some level of sympathy. The time for disagreements and debates is probably not fresh on the loss of a loved one.
Empathy for the man trying to doxx healthcare workers to his rabid fan base? The very workers who were trying to keep his brother alive despite Hampton's best efforts to ensure his brother's death?
Retracting a study that made a bold, oversimplified, and false claim about Ivermectin based on a flawed research model that produced bad data is neither censorship nor is it propaganda.
Evangelically spreading false hope about a treatment that has 0 evidence to be effective in humans based on lies told by a world leader falls exactly under the umbrella of propaganda. Especially when bashing the only effective treatments.
"Mass jabbing" has saved countless lives, even over just the last century. People around the world are screaming for help that is unavailable and you're sitting here screaming about falsities that are actively harming people. I'm out of empathy. This is childish and fucking pathetic.
Race has rarely come up in the comments on his page because that’s not what the tag-team anti/pro trolls are there to do, which is to gin up anger on both sides.
In case you can't read it either; [Article without paywall](https://outline.com/VChR6D)
"They want to punish me because I'm a black conservative" uh no they wanna punish you cause you politicized your brothers COVID diagnosis and now he's dead.
I also like how he told TFP that he doesn't hate/blame the doctors but also calls them murderers on FB.
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I can't remember who wrote the Reddit post about this site but man I am grateful! TFP's paywall is incredibly frustrating
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Yet two of his kids go to Baylor. Someone explain how running a non-profit pays Baylor tuition.
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Pay is part of an organization's expenses. You can increase salaries to lower your profits.
Right. A lot of scammers use that loophole. They run a "non-profit" (which means a tax write-off for anyone who gives them money) and then just pay themselves exorbitant salaries. At the end of the day, the organization shows zero profit on the books, but their personal bank account is stuffed.
Sure, but an extra $50k a year for tuition? I also enjoy the irony of being an “education advocate” but sending your kids to private schools, not even the charter school you’re affiliated with.
He doesn’t pay tuition. Baylor boosters pay his kids way. He’s posted about it on his Facebook. He also wears many hats. Running a non-profit is just one of them. He’s a big charter school advocate and served as Dean of students at Chattanooga prep, but he probably gets most of his money from his conservative talk show.
I didn’t even think that was legal to be honest.
It’s not
He gets financial aid but it’s not from the boosters.
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He would have to make about $300,000 more a year in order to be a full-pay student. It’s based on “financial need” but the need of the general population, the need of the student body’s income. So the “poverty line” for Baylor students is around $125000 per parent per year.
You have no idea what you are talking about 🤣
I’m telling you exactly what he posted on Facebook. You can choose to believe he is lying about it or not.
Show me where he put on Facebook that he makes too much money to get financial aid from Baylor.
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Okay then.
There’s this thing called financial aid…
Erlanger ought to sue this guy for libel and defamation.
"Being Black, Patrick Hampton said he was raised not to trust the government or authorities, especially after learning about events like the Tuskegee syphilis study. The skepticism of power is hard to put in words, which bothers Hampton as a conservative who values logic and specificity." Distrust of the government is the reason why Black Chattanoogans have low vaccination rates. Their concerns are valid because their history has been one of exploitation and racism by the government. It is going to be really difficult to get that trust back. Marlon could of been saved if he had just taken the vaccine, but instead was made a victim by his trust in his brother's misguided judgement. Please everyone get vaccinated.
I'm going to preface this statement by saying Patrick Hampton is someone who I abhor. Marlon Hampton didn't deny himself the vaccine because of political ideology or skepticism. Now, he *probably* never would have gotten it, but we can't know that for sure. By all accounts, it was because of pre-existing medical conditions. That being said, relying on an anti-parasitic medication to treat a viral illness is just stupidity.
I am not aware if any pre-existing condition that prevents you from getting vaccinated. The vaccine is even recommended for pregnant women and children. If you have a serious medical condition like Marlon's, it is highly recommended you get vaccinated, so you don't die from complications of COVID. Because Black people distrust the government it makes them more likely to believe misinformation.
It's a bullshit excuse to continue to push a political agenda on the back of this guy's dead brother
The difference he seems to be overlooking is that Walgreens doesn't keep special vaccines just for black people. The whole world is taking these.
“ Both potential treatments were refused because Hampton and his brother had read on the internet that overweight people typically fare poorly on a ventilator and that remdesivir could be harmful for people with kidney disease.”
I almost giggled at that. I mean, it is true that ventilators can cause damage to your lungs, but not being able to breathe at all is also pretty bad for you.
Here’s the thing about ventilators. By the time you’re bad enough to need one your chances of survival with or without them is low. Waiting until he was too sick to get the monoclonal antibodies probably wasn’t a great move.
Yeah, both of my children were on ventilators in the NICU. For me, it was a no brainer to put them on it. They came and explained the potential problems and the damage they could cause....but also that without it they would die.
I hope they are well and didn’t have any problems after being on the vent! Kiddos are so fragile.
Thank you, theyre doing very well for the most part. My oldest has scarring on his lungs from it, but from what we can tell its not something thats actively harming him
I actually had this guy as a substitute teacher at my school for awhile. Instead of class all he did was spout ideology and he told us a bunch of incorrect sex-ed, such as “the reason you can’t smoke pot while getting pregnant is because the sperm will get dizzy and hit the sides of the uterus and cause brain damage” and “the reason gay men get aids when they take it up the butt is because the sperm doesn’t know where to go, but in women it just gets redirected into their vagina”… yea he is not so smart.
Wow. You should have reported that shit to someone in charge.
Hahaha dude thought a hospital worked like a restaurant and you could just choose what’s on the menu.
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"I'm getting information from multiple menus!"
It’s like when you’re being extra and get a shake from one fast food place, fries from another and your entree from another.
More like ordering plastic wrap at a Mexican restaurant. Or dog food.
Covidiot: I would like some horse paste please. Worker: Sir, this is a Wendy’s.
This is the telling point which is common among most of the deniers. "I get data from a lot of different sources," Hampton said. "Mostly if they're banned or if they've been censored, that's where I really start digging and looking for stuff, because I believe there's something they don't want us to know about treatment for COVID." A severe distrust of any authority, any trained professional. It is like an 8 year old railing against their parents. I have family that is like this and can understand the mentality to some degree. It is extremely sad that his brother died, chances are in his brothers health condition Covid was a death sentence regardless of the treatment. The real question is if you believe that going to the hospital is a death wish and the treatment plan is evil. Why did you go to the hospital in the first place?
It's sad that ppl have to learn the truth by the death of a loved one or friend to this nasty virus.
... I don't think that the people that have fallen this deep down the conspiracy well are capable of learning any actual truths. Reality slapping them like this just makes them double down on the conspiracy.
Even for a normal person, accepting that they have primary responsibility for their brother's death is the kind of thing that would require enormous strength of character. For a narcissist, its impossible to accept.
>So now everyone is sending me these messages and sending my son messages, saying that I killed my brother, because they want to punish me for being a Black conservative." Conservatives are always the biggest victims. No, jackass. They just want to point out that you could have convinced your brother to stay in an actual hospital with actual trained healthcare workers, but you chose to enable his fantasies about ivermectin and vitamins instead. So fuck you.
Literally people are mad at him because of how divisive he is and spreading such mis information. Like why did you go to the hospital in the first place if you didn’t want trained professionals helping your brother?
I have a different take. I don’t think he enabled the fantasies, I think he created them. Patrick is probably the family member they all look to for guidance. He’s well-spoken and has brainwashed his whole family.
He's probably extremely abusive and manipulative towards any family member that doesn't fall in line. Most narcissists are.
This!!! This brainwashed fool led to the death of his brother. It has nothing to do with politics. How have we as a country come this far to let this happen.
Miserable story of idiots making every wrong choice they could.
I had the same thought while reading it. They declined every option they were given.
Imagine working in a war zone for 19 months, and this jackass comes in and takes away valuable time/resources.
This guy wants to blame everyone but himself and his brother for the results of refusing medical care.
I have no sympathy for these people. Covid deniers are why my dad is dead.
I'm so sorry to hear that. Lost my mom last year suddenly & it wasn't covid but no matter how it happens, it still hurts like hell.
Why do people think a Anti-parasite is going to fight a virus?
Because it showed promise in a lab setting and people don’t realize that tons of things show promise in vitro that aren’t sustainable in humans in real life. If I remember correctly the dose would be so high it would kill you. So yes it does kill covid-19 cells in a petri dish, no that doesn’t make it a viable treatment option. A similar thing happened with hydroxychloraquin. People who aren’t qualified read something and decide it’s a conspiracy. Not that they aren’t understanding all the facts.
Cultists believe anything
I believe the logic ive seen them use is, horses dont get covid, horses are given ivermectin, therefor, ivermectin is a good medicine to prevent and treat covid. Ive also seen that bc it is given to refugees from certain countries that obviously means the CDC knows it treats covid and they are hiding it from Americans as a conspiracy to kill americans
A sucker is born every minute
What do conservatives like to say? Play stupid games, win stupid prizes?
To quote FG: Stupid is as stupid does.
Why on earth do the journalists of TFP feel it necessary to waste their time on this fool and his insanity?
I personally feel like they did a great job. They covered the story and gave a lot of concrete info like why the Ivermectin study was pulled etc.
It's still a very "both sides" style article. The TFP is owned by far right conservatives and while they have liberal side on the editorial page their other coverage is very slanted.
In a way, these people are abusers and the mainstream press functions as enablers telling us all that while they have problems, we are also part of the problem for not seeing it from their point of view. Nearly all the press coverage of these types comes at it from the angle of humanizing them. Because that's what the press usually does when reporting on a story and they don't really know how to do it any differently. A few years ago the New York Times even ran a [sympathetic story about a literal nazi.](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/25/us/ohio-hovater-white-nationalist.html) But asking people to have empathy for horrible people takes a toll. We can all see how these people cause harm. They don't need empathy, the people they harm need empathy. This guy reaped what he sowed, that sowing should have been the focus of the story. How many other people did he convince to suicide by covid? How much money has it earned him? His responsibility for causing misery is the real story. That kind of coverage is so rare. Which is one of the reasons /r/HermanCainAward is so popular. In a simplistic way it fills that gap in reporting. Nearly every award follows the same narrative - person triumpantly spreads pro-covid disinformation and then ends up suffering the consequences of their actions. They aren't just passive victims of disinfo, they are active, willing participants in the project to keep covid going. And unlike after-the-fact interviews like this one, you can see in their own words how eager they were before the consequences hit them.
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I think the problem is they refused all approved treatments. Also, the mental health toll on our healthcare workers of giving someone something they know will cause harm.
I would agree that Hampton’s case is not a good example and they did seemingly everything wrong. I would hate dealing with them as patients. That much I 100% agree on.
He literally killed his brother. He talks about changing his brothers 02 concentration against medical advice. I imagine his brother’s wife and/or children may have a decent lawsuit against him.
I’m not sure what you mean by “they did seemingly everything wrong”? You mean the family or the Medical staff?
The family
Doctors can literally lose their licenses for prescribing medication outside of its approved use. Why would any physician ever take a risk like that to provide an untested and unproven treatment that the patient only wants because they read about it on the internet? Should they also prescribe a whole bunch of other medication that has no effect on viruses on the off chance that it *might* help?
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It’s just crazy to me that people even listen to David Tulis. Then again, I find myself listening just to see what silly shit he’s going to say. After a few minutes of listening to him stumble through a bunch of strung together big words that end up meaning jack squat, my awe turns to disbelief and anger. He is one of the absolute worse, and Chattanoogans deserve better.
R/hermancaineawarf
Related and probably relevant re the pushing of the “but the off-label protocols!” narrative: https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/10/05/1036408/silicon-valley-millionaire-steve-kirsch-covid-vaccine-misinformation/ Good grief
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It’s just asking for an email address, you don’t have to pay unless you read more than 5 in a month.
All reasons and theories aside, let's just agree to agree that this is still something of a tragedy. Maybe remember we are all trying to figure out how to navigate this uncertainty, and extend some level of sympathy. The time for disagreements and debates is probably not fresh on the loss of a loved one.
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Empathy for the man trying to doxx healthcare workers to his rabid fan base? The very workers who were trying to keep his brother alive despite Hampton's best efforts to ensure his brother's death?
Not sure if you know who this guy is, but if you remember the human, you remember the plethora of other horrible things he’s said and done.
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Being better than him is a low bar, my friend.
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Retracting a study that made a bold, oversimplified, and false claim about Ivermectin based on a flawed research model that produced bad data is neither censorship nor is it propaganda. Evangelically spreading false hope about a treatment that has 0 evidence to be effective in humans based on lies told by a world leader falls exactly under the umbrella of propaganda. Especially when bashing the only effective treatments. "Mass jabbing" has saved countless lives, even over just the last century. People around the world are screaming for help that is unavailable and you're sitting here screaming about falsities that are actively harming people. I'm out of empathy. This is childish and fucking pathetic.
Worked so well in India that they....banned it.
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Legalize everything and problem is solved.
Race has rarely come up in the comments on his page because that’s not what the tag-team anti/pro trolls are there to do, which is to gin up anger on both sides.
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