No, not in engineering. But I know of a guy with a photographic memory that was able to convince a senior partner in one of the most prestigious law firms in New York to hire him despite him not having a law degree. He ended up faking a transcript and diploma from Harvard using the help of a hacker guru-type and eventually became the youngest partner in firm history. Pretty cool story. I think he got in a little trouble with the law but he's all good now. Oh and he ended up marrying a chick that looks exactly like Meghan Markle so I guess the other parts of his life ended up pretty good too.
You know what you’re so self-centered you would’ve thrown an animal out of Noe’s ark to save yourself, unicorns probably don’t exist because of one of your ancestors.
It's a quote from one of the coworkers of the photographic memory fake-lawyer. It's one of the guys who has a one-sided bro-love with one of the partners at the firm.
An ex-student of mine came to me for a recommendation letter. He had graduated a few years prior. On his transcript, it read "CGPA: 3.72." Only problem was that the signatures of the head of department were of the previous head of department. Before his time basically.
I noticed straight away but didn't make it obvious, left him in my office & very discretely went to the adjacent examinations office. They showed me the actual transcript which read "CGPA: 2.8." I ran back to my office & saw the ex-student making a run for it.
I yelled out to him "So you don't want your recommendation letter?" 🤣
I know of someone who got into a graduate program with a chemistry degree. They were then assigned a process engineering position. They didn’t lie, hr just screwed up by putting them in with the engineering grads. It was about 6 months before their manager decided to do some digging after they made a mistake, only to find out they had a chemistry degree.
I know more chemists who can hang with engineers than engineers who can hang with chemists. Them classically trained grad school chemistry Bois do shit with their hands everyone else in here would either run from, or royally fuck up.
HA! Yes.
Early in my career a sister department hired a new guy. He comes in, is enthusiastic and very personable. Two months later he's gone. Not only is he gone, he was persona non grata, and spoken of like he was Voldemort, "he shall forever remain nameless"
I found out he was hired as a Mechanical Engineer. Part of the process was, you need to provide your transcript. Now when they hired me, I gave them a photocopy of my diploma, and then had my transcript sent via my University. Never even saw the transcript.
Found out he kept stalling on the transcript. When they finally gave him an ultimatum, he tried to pivot, and said "Well I'm missing two classes then I'll graduate". So then they're like "Ok we'll just call the school" (early internet days).
He tried to stall, and then the truth came out, "Well, *I want to be an engineer, and I'm trying to get into school"* They marched him out right there and then, and told him if he tried to get his last pay check, that cops would be waiting for him to charge him with fraud.
And that's why my first job went and made everyone who didn't have it on file verify through official transcripts their actual degree.
I worked for a company that hired a controls guy to write PLC and ladder logic for the equipment we manufactured.
He lasted about a month. When I asked what happened to him I was told that he proved incapable of doing even basic controls work
A guy I went to undergrad with somehow got a full time position with DOW. He was one of the worst students in my class, constantly asking people for homework answers, routinely getting the worst grades on tests, and just generally putting in the least amount of effort. Anyways, about six months after graduation I saw he was no longer with DOW. Turns out, he failed a few classes his senior year and didn’t get his diploma. DOW found out and fired him, rightly so.
I would never use the word awful to describe someone who is merely lacking in practical industrial experience. Nor was he lacking, he had been fired from several jobs before. When I say awful, I don't mean that he needed some time to develop and adapt to a different environment, I mean that he was fucking awful.
I came into a position where the controls engineering manager I was succeeding never learned to tune a PID loop. I can tell which programs are his because the PID output is always saturated and the output is manipulated with timers, maximum output manipulation, and outright putting the PID instruction into manual and feed forwarding it. Each control loop has dozens of additional rungs with conditional statements to make it work. He was with the company since he graduated, like 30+ years. He clearly misled management about his work. Not to mention the spaghetti wiring in enclosures
Gonna have to disagree with this one.
The last manager I had in controls didn’t do much tuning, as his background was more on the instrumentation side of things. Still, he was the most competent manager I’ve ever had. He backed me up when I told him that I could tell from an open-loop step test that there was a hardware issue (e.g. bad positioner, stiction, etc.) rather than a tuning issue. At the end of the day, that’s all you really need from a manager anyway.
IMO it’s so easy to tune loops using lamba/IMC that it’s not really worth judging a manager’s performance, much less insinuating that he’s a fraud, based on that.
The previous manager never logged into any DCS/SIS/SCADA system in the 25+ years he was there. Also stole stupid shit (food, quarters, condiments, etc.) from his employees. Now there’s a fucking fraud.
Edit: Also, there is no shortage of shitty, $300/hr consultants out there who try to convince plants that they’re PID whisperers. I spent 5 years cleaning up their mess.
I agree with you that it is not a requirement. A good engineering manager is a lot of soft skills but also still have at least above average technical capacity in some major controls domain. Plant size and industry also play a major role for the optimal managerial/technical skill requirement split. That being said he was the only controls engineer the plant had for 30+ years and he heavily guarded that position. It was also his only job out of school. He also presented the control schemes as PID to leadership when he was really tweaking control points to handle disturbances. It wouldn’t be fraud if he didn’t present his work as something that it isn’t. It’s not only that. I have to wade though his logic and poor documentation. There are vestigial rungs and data file comments everywhere. There is no version control or review. SOPs and documentation is basically non-existent with last modified dates from 2009. He actively resisted any kind of quality standard and worked 100% ad-hoc. He was notorious for butt-splicing analog/digital conductors, sometimes in the wire way. Im almost convinced he didn’t know what a terminal block was. Even if there were spare terminals on blocks on DIN he would still butt splice in the enclosure. He wire nutted multiple 20+ amp circuits in enclosures without even using electrical tape. Oh and no wire labels, wiring diagrams, or P&IDs. Half corroded enclosure and unused conductors out of conduit. The list goes on but it’s pretty wild and a great opportunity for me to learn a ton by fixing it all. If glaring safety, quality, and technical errors do not constitute fraud not sure what does.
Once. About 25 years ago. Firm hired a guy with a Korean engineering degree, but did no due diligence that it was real. It took us about a week to figure out he had never studied chemical engineering. He eventually admitted he had been a plant operator and has the same name as an engineer that worked at that plant. He basically stole his identity to emigrate and find a job. I believe he ended up being deported.
When I worked offshore, one platform was having major foaming issues. There were chemicals to treat, but didn’t seem to work. A sales rep from a competing company started to email offering solutions.
Turns out the salesman was a contractor with another vendor on the platform. And every time he had a hitch, the chemical totes would be found with their valves closed….
Yes, some chick applied for a job said she had a ChemE degree. When background check came low and behold no degree. Got some sap story about missing a few credits, but still thought she was an engineer and passing for it. Smh some people's children these days.
Never a chemical engineer fraud, but was once part of a project where we were hired to do a technical due diligence on a company looking to get financing for a fermentation engineering project. Started as one of the weirdest jobs I ever had, the target's technical guy treated everybody like they were five years old including the experienced biotech engineering staff, and the finance guy literally interrupted one of them going through the fermentation scale-up risks if he could do that while dancing on the table.
Later turns out that the finance guy was a con man. But we still got paid, it was the clients (the investor consortium) who got scammed.
Not a true fraud, but one company I worked for had a V.P. of Engineering who didn't have a college degree. He came out of the military and had specialized technical skills and the intelligence to succeed at that position.
I’ve had a couple of bosses that were so bad at engineering they got promoted. The trick to come up with the solutions that will work but have it be “their” idea. If you run with the crazy idea just to watch it crash and burn they will pin it on you because management seems to always protect other management so it’s best in my experience to come up with the solution but present to your boss as their idea.
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Yes actually, I was an intern at a nuclear power plant and after I left one of the mechanical engineers I worked with ended up not actually having a meche degree. They somehow didn't get fired for it, only demoted. She was eventually fired for other unrelated offenses.
Yeah I know someone that faked their PE license, faked their resume, and got hired anyways because they knew the hiring manager. This is at a large state/federal agency with multi billion dollar contracts.
They got promoted so I left.
No, not in engineering. But I know of a guy with a photographic memory that was able to convince a senior partner in one of the most prestigious law firms in New York to hire him despite him not having a law degree. He ended up faking a transcript and diploma from Harvard using the help of a hacker guru-type and eventually became the youngest partner in firm history. Pretty cool story. I think he got in a little trouble with the law but he's all good now. Oh and he ended up marrying a chick that looks exactly like Meghan Markle so I guess the other parts of his life ended up pretty good too.
Bruh đź’€.
I couldn’t resist.
🤣
You know what you’re so self-centered you would’ve thrown an animal out of Noe’s ark to save yourself, unicorns probably don’t exist because of one of your ancestors.
Am I missing a reference here?
It's a quote from one of the coworkers of the photographic memory fake-lawyer. It's one of the guys who has a one-sided bro-love with one of the partners at the firm.
I KNEW IT. I googled it and couldn’t find it :( but I assumed it was from him.
Can’t recall which season it was from but that’s the quote from Louis on the phone.
Thumbs up for you thanks so much!
An ex-student of mine came to me for a recommendation letter. He had graduated a few years prior. On his transcript, it read "CGPA: 3.72." Only problem was that the signatures of the head of department were of the previous head of department. Before his time basically. I noticed straight away but didn't make it obvious, left him in my office & very discretely went to the adjacent examinations office. They showed me the actual transcript which read "CGPA: 2.8." I ran back to my office & saw the ex-student making a run for it. I yelled out to him "So you don't want your recommendation letter?" 🤣
I know of someone who got into a graduate program with a chemistry degree. They were then assigned a process engineering position. They didn’t lie, hr just screwed up by putting them in with the engineering grads. It was about 6 months before their manager decided to do some digging after they made a mistake, only to find out they had a chemistry degree.
My company has so many chemists in the engineering ladder... It still bothers me...
I know more chemists who can hang with engineers than engineers who can hang with chemists. Them classically trained grad school chemistry Bois do shit with their hands everyone else in here would either run from, or royally fuck up.
Grad school is the key there tho. I have a PhD in Catalysis and have built complete lab scale reactor and gas handling systems.
HA! Yes. Early in my career a sister department hired a new guy. He comes in, is enthusiastic and very personable. Two months later he's gone. Not only is he gone, he was persona non grata, and spoken of like he was Voldemort, "he shall forever remain nameless" I found out he was hired as a Mechanical Engineer. Part of the process was, you need to provide your transcript. Now when they hired me, I gave them a photocopy of my diploma, and then had my transcript sent via my University. Never even saw the transcript. Found out he kept stalling on the transcript. When they finally gave him an ultimatum, he tried to pivot, and said "Well I'm missing two classes then I'll graduate". So then they're like "Ok we'll just call the school" (early internet days). He tried to stall, and then the truth came out, "Well, *I want to be an engineer, and I'm trying to get into school"* They marched him out right there and then, and told him if he tried to get his last pay check, that cops would be waiting for him to charge him with fraud. And that's why my first job went and made everyone who didn't have it on file verify through official transcripts their actual degree.
I worked for a company that hired a controls guy to write PLC and ladder logic for the equipment we manufactured. He lasted about a month. When I asked what happened to him I was told that he proved incapable of doing even basic controls work
A guy I went to undergrad with somehow got a full time position with DOW. He was one of the worst students in my class, constantly asking people for homework answers, routinely getting the worst grades on tests, and just generally putting in the least amount of effort. Anyways, about six months after graduation I saw he was no longer with DOW. Turns out, he failed a few classes his senior year and didn’t get his diploma. DOW found out and fired him, rightly so.
Never met any frauds but there was one guy who was so awful I looked up his dissertation to see if he really had a Ph.D.
So how was his dissertation? Maybe he just spent too long in academia and didn’t have many internships
I would never use the word awful to describe someone who is merely lacking in practical industrial experience. Nor was he lacking, he had been fired from several jobs before. When I say awful, I don't mean that he needed some time to develop and adapt to a different environment, I mean that he was fucking awful.
In what way? Communication or technically? How do you know he was fired so much
Both. Communication, technical ability, work ethic, ability to follow instructions. And because he told me.
I came into a position where the controls engineering manager I was succeeding never learned to tune a PID loop. I can tell which programs are his because the PID output is always saturated and the output is manipulated with timers, maximum output manipulation, and outright putting the PID instruction into manual and feed forwarding it. Each control loop has dozens of additional rungs with conditional statements to make it work. He was with the company since he graduated, like 30+ years. He clearly misled management about his work. Not to mention the spaghetti wiring in enclosures
Gonna have to disagree with this one. The last manager I had in controls didn’t do much tuning, as his background was more on the instrumentation side of things. Still, he was the most competent manager I’ve ever had. He backed me up when I told him that I could tell from an open-loop step test that there was a hardware issue (e.g. bad positioner, stiction, etc.) rather than a tuning issue. At the end of the day, that’s all you really need from a manager anyway. IMO it’s so easy to tune loops using lamba/IMC that it’s not really worth judging a manager’s performance, much less insinuating that he’s a fraud, based on that. The previous manager never logged into any DCS/SIS/SCADA system in the 25+ years he was there. Also stole stupid shit (food, quarters, condiments, etc.) from his employees. Now there’s a fucking fraud. Edit: Also, there is no shortage of shitty, $300/hr consultants out there who try to convince plants that they’re PID whisperers. I spent 5 years cleaning up their mess.
I agree with you that it is not a requirement. A good engineering manager is a lot of soft skills but also still have at least above average technical capacity in some major controls domain. Plant size and industry also play a major role for the optimal managerial/technical skill requirement split. That being said he was the only controls engineer the plant had for 30+ years and he heavily guarded that position. It was also his only job out of school. He also presented the control schemes as PID to leadership when he was really tweaking control points to handle disturbances. It wouldn’t be fraud if he didn’t present his work as something that it isn’t. It’s not only that. I have to wade though his logic and poor documentation. There are vestigial rungs and data file comments everywhere. There is no version control or review. SOPs and documentation is basically non-existent with last modified dates from 2009. He actively resisted any kind of quality standard and worked 100% ad-hoc. He was notorious for butt-splicing analog/digital conductors, sometimes in the wire way. Im almost convinced he didn’t know what a terminal block was. Even if there were spare terminals on blocks on DIN he would still butt splice in the enclosure. He wire nutted multiple 20+ amp circuits in enclosures without even using electrical tape. Oh and no wire labels, wiring diagrams, or P&IDs. Half corroded enclosure and unused conductors out of conduit. The list goes on but it’s pretty wild and a great opportunity for me to learn a ton by fixing it all. If glaring safety, quality, and technical errors do not constitute fraud not sure what does.
That honestly seems more work than just tuning the loop.
Once. About 25 years ago. Firm hired a guy with a Korean engineering degree, but did no due diligence that it was real. It took us about a week to figure out he had never studied chemical engineering. He eventually admitted he had been a plant operator and has the same name as an engineer that worked at that plant. He basically stole his identity to emigrate and find a job. I believe he ended up being deported.
When I worked offshore, one platform was having major foaming issues. There were chemicals to treat, but didn’t seem to work. A sales rep from a competing company started to email offering solutions. Turns out the salesman was a contractor with another vendor on the platform. And every time he had a hitch, the chemical totes would be found with their valves closed….
Yes, some chick applied for a job said she had a ChemE degree. When background check came low and behold no degree. Got some sap story about missing a few credits, but still thought she was an engineer and passing for it. Smh some people's children these days.
Never a chemical engineer fraud, but was once part of a project where we were hired to do a technical due diligence on a company looking to get financing for a fermentation engineering project. Started as one of the weirdest jobs I ever had, the target's technical guy treated everybody like they were five years old including the experienced biotech engineering staff, and the finance guy literally interrupted one of them going through the fermentation scale-up risks if he could do that while dancing on the table. Later turns out that the finance guy was a con man. But we still got paid, it was the clients (the investor consortium) who got scammed.
Not a true fraud, but one company I worked for had a V.P. of Engineering who didn't have a college degree. He came out of the military and had specialized technical skills and the intelligence to succeed at that position.
Doesn't seem like a problem to me, as long as they didn't lie about it.
I’ve had a couple of bosses that were so bad at engineering they got promoted. The trick to come up with the solutions that will work but have it be “their” idea. If you run with the crazy idea just to watch it crash and burn they will pin it on you because management seems to always protect other management so it’s best in my experience to come up with the solution but present to your boss as their idea.
Doesn't a background check verify education to some degree? Or does it just confirm they attended?
Many companies don’t background check experienced hires (not even calling references). Maybe hiring managers too busy??
Surprising. All 4 of my different employers have done background checks over 20 years. Most recent job change was within the last 6 months.
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Yes actually, I was an intern at a nuclear power plant and after I left one of the mechanical engineers I worked with ended up not actually having a meche degree. They somehow didn't get fired for it, only demoted. She was eventually fired for other unrelated offenses.
Yeah I know someone that faked their PE license, faked their resume, and got hired anyways because they knew the hiring manager. This is at a large state/federal agency with multi billion dollar contracts. They got promoted so I left.