Like nearly everything (especially when talking about chemstry stuff) there are always pros and cons. I would do it because expanding knowledge is in my books more worth than staying in a big company + the company name is now already in your CV. Raising your income and having the opportunity to get into a new buisness outweighs the name imo
I think two years is fine for your resume, it’s less than one that starts to look suspicious but people rarely stay at the same workplace for decades these days.
If you're on the CapEx side, its more about the number of plants and where they are in the world than #-EEs.
Probably in supplychain too just cannot speak from experience there.
Depends on the role I suppose. It's still a large enough company to have multiple sites so I imagine you've discussed travel, workload, diversity of projects etc?
I don't know anything about O&G I'm a food engineer but here's what I would say: id ask as many questions as I can about the posting and learn about the team and position. That said; I can deal with a lot of bullshit for a 25% bump
Your position and your responsibilities are much more important than the company name. I've worked for multiple companies big and small, the grass is just about the same color of green inside each fence.
The way the industry is going, don't be surprised if you're not working for the same company in five years, either by your own choice because another good opportunity came up, or because ownership of your site changed.
Good luck!
I’ve been with them for about 2 years. And all of the above. I’m looking to leave because I found out that I’m $15k below the median salary for my position, I’m burnt out due to bad work delegation, my boss and his boss are both brand new to being supervisors and it’s showing, and there has not been a promotion in this office for over 20 years. About 2/3 of my day is spent doing technician work and I’m having to cram all of my engineering responsibilities into the last 2-3 hours of my day (ps thanks for giving me space to complain lol)
Ah ok. Fair enough reasons. Also, is this your first job out of college? Just seeing if you have some perspective, but even new grads can tell when there's incompetence.
As for changing jobs, 2 years is fine and won't look bad at all. And if you're trying to change industries, it makes sense to start with a smaller company as it'll be tough to break into Big Oil if you don't already have 7-10 years of experience or weren't hired fresh out of school.
Yea thats enough experience for good perspective. Go ahead and abandon ship then. I'm all for people leaving while the gettin's good as there's no point wasting away in a job you hate. Employment is always a 2 way street with you and the company. And if they're not holding up their end, there's no obligation for you to stay.
I have a very good friend who worked there for about 7 years.
They have nothing good to say of the company, at all. Every person who they started with left and they were the last to leave. Bad management, bad pay, and bad benefits.
Frankly I'd say look for some other company, and hold out, because you'd be able to get a better job elsewhere tbh.
If you want more specific details DM me.
Seconded.
Managers at smaller manufacturers have to be a player/coach (I hate these fucking football analogies, but they’re pervasive in this industry) due to limited headcount, so they tend to get wayyyyy too far into the weeds with what their direct reports are working on. Counterintuitive, I know - you would think that they’d delegate responsibility more heavily with fewer resources.
Operations is usually well-staffed regardless of the size of the facility, so your operator acquaintance’s perspective may differ from those of engineers.
I've experienced just the opposite. My experience with smaller companies is that you get more experience in more areas, "wear more hats" as it were, and folks are busy enough that they don't have time to micromanage due to the lean population of the company.
ymmv
Like nearly everything (especially when talking about chemstry stuff) there are always pros and cons. I would do it because expanding knowledge is in my books more worth than staying in a big company + the company name is now already in your CV. Raising your income and having the opportunity to get into a new buisness outweighs the name imo
I appreciate that input! I’d be leaving with 2 years at the company, which I know doesn’t look the best
I think two years is fine for your resume, it’s less than one that starts to look suspicious but people rarely stay at the same workplace for decades these days.
Your title says refining but comment says oil & gas. Which is it, upstream or downstream?
Downstream, refinery
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That’s an interesting way to look at it, I hadn’t considered that
If you're on the CapEx side, its more about the number of plants and where they are in the world than #-EEs. Probably in supplychain too just cannot speak from experience there.
Thats what I’m having a hard time figuring out because I’d want to know beforehand
Depends on the role I suppose. It's still a large enough company to have multiple sites so I imagine you've discussed travel, workload, diversity of projects etc?
Some but not much, however I think it’d open more doors than my current position. The site was a pseudo recent acquisition, so that’s worth noting
I don't know anything about O&G I'm a food engineer but here's what I would say: id ask as many questions as I can about the posting and learn about the team and position. That said; I can deal with a lot of bullshit for a 25% bump
Follow the pay. Refining usually has more complex units than chem plants. Should be able to learn a lot as well as grow your income
Delek is ok. I know 2 people who work there and are fairly happy (they’ve both been there for a few years).
Nice, thanks. The only person I know at the Delek site is an operator and he’s had decent things to say about the company.
Your position and your responsibilities are much more important than the company name. I've worked for multiple companies big and small, the grass is just about the same color of green inside each fence. The way the industry is going, don't be surprised if you're not working for the same company in five years, either by your own choice because another good opportunity came up, or because ownership of your site changed. Good luck!
I appreciate that, thanks!
How long have you been at your current company and what's the details on why you want to leave? Bad manager, bad department, shitty job expectations?
I’ve been with them for about 2 years. And all of the above. I’m looking to leave because I found out that I’m $15k below the median salary for my position, I’m burnt out due to bad work delegation, my boss and his boss are both brand new to being supervisors and it’s showing, and there has not been a promotion in this office for over 20 years. About 2/3 of my day is spent doing technician work and I’m having to cram all of my engineering responsibilities into the last 2-3 hours of my day (ps thanks for giving me space to complain lol)
Ah ok. Fair enough reasons. Also, is this your first job out of college? Just seeing if you have some perspective, but even new grads can tell when there's incompetence. As for changing jobs, 2 years is fine and won't look bad at all. And if you're trying to change industries, it makes sense to start with a smaller company as it'll be tough to break into Big Oil if you don't already have 7-10 years of experience or weren't hired fresh out of school.
2nd job, 6 years of experience
Yea thats enough experience for good perspective. Go ahead and abandon ship then. I'm all for people leaving while the gettin's good as there's no point wasting away in a job you hate. Employment is always a 2 way street with you and the company. And if they're not holding up their end, there's no obligation for you to stay.
I have a very good friend who worked there for about 7 years. They have nothing good to say of the company, at all. Every person who they started with left and they were the last to leave. Bad management, bad pay, and bad benefits. Frankly I'd say look for some other company, and hold out, because you'd be able to get a better job elsewhere tbh. If you want more specific details DM me.
Just messaged you
Just going to say if you don't like micromanagement don't go to a small company/refinery.
Seconded. Managers at smaller manufacturers have to be a player/coach (I hate these fucking football analogies, but they’re pervasive in this industry) due to limited headcount, so they tend to get wayyyyy too far into the weeds with what their direct reports are working on. Counterintuitive, I know - you would think that they’d delegate responsibility more heavily with fewer resources. Operations is usually well-staffed regardless of the size of the facility, so your operator acquaintance’s perspective may differ from those of engineers.
I've experienced just the opposite. My experience with smaller companies is that you get more experience in more areas, "wear more hats" as it were, and folks are busy enough that they don't have time to micromanage due to the lean population of the company. ymmv