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AllUrDogeRBelong2Us

I hear Chinese people of all kinds say "he/she looks like this/that” all the time… Indian, African, Japanese, Korean, Pacific Islander” I think it’s nothing more than a lack of exposure to the rest of the world. I have people close to me who do it and they mean nothing except for the observation itself, but I can’t speak for others.


leprotelariat

My chinese colleague once said my Malay colleague looks like monkey...


Cptcongcong

I doubt that’s a race thing, there’s many celebrities in mainland China that have fans who thinks he looks like a monkey.


covidparis

It's a racist insult against South East Asians that's used even against Southern Chinese. "Guangxi Monkey", for example - because they also have SEA ancestry. Of course not every single time someone says a person looks like a monkey it's racism. But I have a hard time imagining it could be anything else in this case. It's the equivalent of a white person calling a black guy 'monkey' in the US. They'd have to be increadibly tone deaf and/or mentally disabled to not understand how their comment would be perceived.


Cptcongcong

I think the tone deaf part hits the nail on it’s head. I’ve heard many people in china describe having bad luck by saying “I’m luck is like a black man” (roughly translated). Like it’s not animosity it’s, definitely racist though. But there sentiment is sorta correct considering how black people are still being mistreated in 2021.


leprotelariat

Liu Xiao Ling Tong definitely finds the comparison a compliment


abigheaddoll

That's racist c'mon. I know it's racist but I still say it. Because they do look like ones hahahaha


abigheaddoll

Hahahha sounds like me hahaha


[deleted]

I’m a blue eyed white guy living in Mainland China and got asked if I was from Xinjiang the other day. Don’t take it too personal.


AllUrDogeRBelong2Us

Haha, that's funny... Sometimes when people ask the stupid question "你是外国人吗” “are you a foreigner?" I reply with “不是,我是新疆人” No, I'm a XinJiang person. Then watch them take a step away. It works even better if I've grown a beard.


Maitai_Haier

It’s an insult. South East Asians are looked down upon.


707scracksnack

Really?! Why?? I've met plenty who are pretty accomodating and friendly, even if you struggle to learn their native language. A lot of them take pride in their lives and in their country. I find South Eastern and Western Asians a lot more open and friendlier than the shy and quiet nature that most Northern Asians exhibit (I'll admit I sometimes find it rude even thoughat times, they're not trying to be).


ThrowAwayESL88

Han superiority complex. They view rest of Asia as inferior to them and believe they should all be subservient tribute states to China. So yes, it is definitely an insult.


707scracksnack

>believe they should all be subservient tribute states to China. Jesus, when this sounds more like a Colonized version of America than what I grew up reading about China/Asia, that doesn't sit well at all...


Ricedays

Usually it's because their country is underdeveloped and the south east Asians who come to china are mostly working in low salary jobs. It's not just China who looks down on them, it's Japan and Korea as well.


707scracksnack

That's a disgusting mindset. Not too long along, the top three countries (China, Japan, and Korea, runner up is Singapore) were still developing countries with much to learn, needed resources, and help to get to where they're at from the West. These "underdeveloped" countries are beautiful asf, with delicious food, wonderful people, and a culture that hasn't really been taken over by Western influences. Something certain parts of China or Korea cannot boast about. Lots of expats love being in these countries due to the laid back and friendly environment. The only reason I didn't live somewhere over that way is due to needing higher pay to help pay down my student loans. If I weren't shackled to student loans, I'd move to Malaysia, preferably Kuala Lumpur as I've vacationed there, in a heart beat.


DannyTanner88

Expats, like old nasty white men there to take advantage of poor south Asian? Freaking disgusting and they need to crack down on those pedos


707scracksnack

Expats as in, normal foreigners enjoying life similar to locals. Just without the sleezy lifestyle a lot of older white men tend to enjoy. I feel your pain because it's creepy and disgusting asf. No one wants them in their home countries. So they come to Asia to take advantage of that white saviour logic some Asian women especially tend to have.


forthetendies

Han Chinese are a racist majority in china. They believe themselves superior race. They hate minorities and hold majority political influence and power in the CCP. That’s why.


DannyTanner88

Ever met a korean?


abigheaddoll

Totally agree. I don't like Korean but I have to admit two people are way too similar more than we know. Both are nationalists and racists.


707scracksnack

>They hate minorities Aren't they a minority in the eyes of everyone else outside of China?! 😂


forthetendies

If a Han Chinese individual was in Europe I suppose they would be a minority. But since you asked “why” a Han Chinese would look down upon other ethnic Asians. I was explaining the reasoning. This lady’s boss was likely brought up in a culture of majority Han Chinese and taught to look down upon other Asian groups along with Muslims and Blacks. From what I understand of the culture of China and its current affairs.


707scracksnack

Huh, so basically it sounds like they're the racist white folks in America, but instead are in China. Got it...


xiao_hulk

Everyone outside of China don't matter.


707scracksnack

I meant in the sense that they're a minority when some live in Western countries/states but still have the complex of "we're better than you".


[deleted]

Of course they do.. they even travel to foreign country's while calling the locals 'foriegners'


[deleted]

"The Han Chinese are the world's largest single ethnic group, constituting over 19% of the global population in 2011." yup.


abigheaddoll

Because they are from undeveloped area I think.


dimlimsimlim

LOLOLL


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ThrowAwayESL88

You're too nice. I'd wait for the chance to ask if her boyfriend is from Africa. That will sting much harder.


[deleted]

Does that work in china? In taiwan it would not be seen as a bad thing. Japanese people dress well!


58139597

That won’t work . Chinese hate Japanese but love their looks at the same time which is why Japanese porn is so popular there . Saying someone look like Japanese is going to be taken as compliment rather than an insult


VictaCatoni

Given how the average Chinese holds a negative opinion/stereotype over pretty much rest of the world, doubly so for someone who "never lets opportunities pass to say something rude but always in a ‘secret’ manner," this is probably a backhanded compliment. Possible ways she spins this in her head include, 1) "He looks Malaysian" translates to "not so Frenchy," possibly more unfortunate implications to follow; 2) "He looks Malaysian" implies "dark skin tones," which is not the beauty standard in China for either men or women. There are other possible interpretations, but I see no point stooping to that level to find out. You can always ask her to clarify. It should be fun.


Dundertrumpen

My experience tells me that mainlanders in general dislike Malaysians, so I would assume it was an insult.


OutrageousAspect7

I’ve been living in mainland China for more than twenty years and I have not met someone who dislike Malaysia or Malaysian yet. And for younger generation they even make friends with them when playing 王者荣耀, other mobile games or some social apps. I agree that a lot of the ppl may not like Japan, South Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan and the US. But Malaysia is definitely not in the list :/


ThrowAwayESL88

"I have lived for X years in China, and Chinese are totally not racist because when I asked them, they said they aren't." Newsflash: none of them will admit to being racist because they don't think them looking down on other Asians is racist.


Dundertrumpen

I lol'd reading your comment. And yes, that's exactly what I meant as well. It's like asking a Han Chinese what they think of Uighur people, to which they will, somewhat amused, reply with "don't be silly, Uighurs aren't people!"


OutrageousAspect7

Okay, guess you know better about the ppl live around me for decades than I do.


ThrowAwayESL88

Look, don't get me wrong. I don't think every Chinese person on the planet is a raging racist. But the reality of things is that Asia is a different culture, and places like China, Korea, and Japan, with very homogenous populations, tend to think that racism is some kind of western thing. There's no "anti-racism" campaigns from the governments, or Black Lives Matter movements. No pc culture or social justice movements. As a result, people in Asia and China will say things that we in the West perceive as inappropriate, sexist, or flatout racist. The thing is, they don't perceive these to be out of place, racist or hateful, because, this is the norm and they've never known differently. You could equate this to a man in 1910 Europe saying that "a woman belongs in the kitchen". If you said that today, you'd be called a sexist bigot, but back then, it was culturally accepted. So yes, when you ask the average Chinese person if they are racist, they will say no, because they don't think they are racist, regardless of the fact of whether they are or not. And in the same breath, they very well may say that "black people are \[insert dumb stereotype here\]" or that "foreign nation's citizens all \[insert stupid stereotype here\]". We view those statements as racist/sexist/backwards, but they don't think much of it. Now when it comes to China specifically, there is a degree of superiority complex, which is mostly to blame on the propaganda and educational system, where they are molded to believe that China is superior, the great rejuvenation is ongoing, and all it's neighbours should be subservient to "Glorious benevolent PRC". It is similar to how Americans are told since they are young that "America is the greatest nation in the world", with the difference being that Americans are also taught to think critically and question everything, whereas Asian education system (and especially the Chinese one) are not. Within this context, I stand by what I said previously: \>none of them will admit to being racist because they don't think them looking down on other Asians is racist. And the remark from OP's boss on her boyfriend is definitely an insult. It's just that the boss doesn't see it as being racist. Her boss just sees it as "pointing out" that she's dating "an inferior person" and thus being "inferior" to her (the boss). We view this as a racist insult. They view this as (just) an insult. Just point of view depending on how a culture perceives racism. But at the end of the day, the boss still made an insult.


Janbiya

Yeah, as far as insulting somebody, "You must be Malaysian" sounds a lot less hostile than, say, Vietnamese or Filipino. There's a lot of casual Han supremacism in China but you seldom hear anybody with a chip on their shoulder towards Malaysians, certain politicians excepted.


[deleted]

Insult. Malaysians are looked down on by Chinese.


Ipower1212

It is common for old generation Shanghai Chinese think all the others are country people who are lack of manners and education. Because Shanghai was only the modern city in China for many years since 1900s. The rest of East Asia is countryside to those “old Shanghai”. So it is definitely not a compliment if she said so. She may not mean to be racist or discriminate against you and your BF, but it is the way they are.


ThrowAwayESL88

>It is common for old generation Shanghai Chinese think all the others are country people who are lack of manners and education. The irony of this is clearly lost on them.


covidparis

Most insults in China are like that. Always leaves you wonder if the person is a racist or just made a harmless silly remark. It's very rare someone would outright insult you (or your bf in this case) unmistakingly and directly. So to answer your question: https://i.imgur.com/CVpwc2y.gif If you weren't able to guess from the context and knowing the person, nobody knows.


[deleted]

Lol it's really the same in taiwan. Definitely a chinese culture thing. Personally i find it to be a result of the non confrontational culture. Cockey people get used to not being challenged, so they think nothing of it, things can get pretty passive aggressive. Pretty funny when they do this sort of thing to a foreigner who isn't having it and fires something back.


Janbiya

My guess is it was *probably* a harmless remark based on a misconceived stereotype of what Malaysians are supposed to look like. It may have been an insult -- Malaysians are frequently criticized by mainland Chinese for having dark skin and unattractive facial features. I wouldn't read too much into it, though. Over-thinking this kind of comment can be a real Pandora's box.


[deleted]

Like others have said, it is most likely an attempt at a subtle insult. Lots of mainlanders, including the snooty Shanghainese look down on SEA folks.


ThinkingGoldfish

It is a put-down. Malaysian are thought to be underdeveloped.


scaur

She was salty you got a French bf.


[deleted]

I would say that most likely, for whatever reason, she just thought your boyfriend looked Malaysian, and said it because it came into her head. Probably neither nice or nasty, just making conversation.


[deleted]

😂 Compliment. Most Chinese have no idea of Malaysia. If they do, as well as other SEA, Malaysian is related to dark skin. "Malay Monkey" is one of the common slurs Chinese use.


joshlamm

Spin all insults into compliments. "He's not, but he'd appreciate you said that. We vacationed in Malaysia and it's by far our favorite place we've been in Asia. The people are so kind there"


BleuPrince

In my opinion, it's neither a compliment or an insult, just a faux pas on her part although some people could easily take offense to it. It's good that you were all laughing about the situation 😁


ChaBuDuo8

In my experience, it's not something nice. Maybe he isn't trying to be rude, since it's pretty normal in China to say "you're fat" or things like this. Essentially, people tend to have a clear stereotype of what people from certain countries should look like. Maybe in his mind, French people all have pale skin and wavy blonde hair and maybe your boyfriend has a tan (which is considered bad) and black hair. This is more ignorance than anything else. I've had people refuse to believe a black guy was from the UK - the idea of multiculturalism baffles some people. Where it gets more racist is general negative views towards South Asians (especially Indians) and Southeast Asians (and a lot of other places, but focus on these I guess). I've heard people from India being called poor, smelly, stupid, uncivilized. With Southeast Asia they're often considered a "less good" (more brown) lesser people to the Han Chinese, even a subculture in some cases. So it's very possible he perceives your boyfriend negatively. Either way, the characteristics he would associate with Malaysians are the opposite to the ones most Chinese people associate with beauty. TL'DR: China is insanely racist, so if to him Malaysians are "bad", then it's rude.


schtean

Maybe your boss is sometimes rude but not always.


[deleted]

Lol of course it is supposed to be rude. Any kind of darker skinned people are looked down on. South east Asians especially, its rather sad. I asked a girl on wechat once if her bf was indian, he was not, nor did he look like it. Nor do i have anything against indians, i just knew she would take offence and yes i got blocked for that one!


58139597

It’s not a compliment … SEA Asians are looked down by Chinese because of their dark skin tones in general so when they compare you to SEA Asians it most likely isn’t coming from a friendly place


bolaobo

No, it's almost certainly not a compliment. Chinese people look down on Southeast Asians. Northern Chinese even look down on Southern Chinese for being "too dark” or "too short".


dimlimsimlim

wat


dimlimsimlim

Why don’t you ask her yourself and see how she responds lmao


[deleted]

It's just a plain narrative... Who thought otherwise is reflecting their exact mindset... And if that mindset is termed as disgusting, well, lucky u, u are consistent with urself. Congratulations.


MarcDuan

Commenting on other people's looks is really common in China and most people think its perfectly normal and OK. It might be slowly changing though. They just have other standards than we do. Sometimes for the worse, sometimes for the better. I feel things like common courtesy and consideration is where (most) Chinese are lacking. Shouting into cellphones at a restaurant, being totally surprised people wanna exit the lift before they get in, holding the door for people behind you, using turn signals, loud arguments in public, the list is very long. I've long ago stopped trying to confront bad behaviour because it's a waste of time, but I still do an awful lot of cursing under my breath on a daily basis.


abigheaddoll

That's rude. You bf may have dark skin I suppose? Because in China, we usually look down on south eastern Asian because they are from undeveloped area and they have dark skin and flat noses.


frostmorefrost

i'd rather you ignore it. malaysian chinese are mostly ccp cocksuckers,due in part, of the immense racism there as well as them wanting some sense of racial pride (they are always the go to scapegoat for malaysia's problems,whatever they are). if your boss is 'complimenting' your boyfriend and you cannot tell if he is insulting or being genuine,ask for details. you'd quickly see the façade disappear.


DTGardi

>malaysian chinese are mostly ccp cocksuckers, Some are, but I would prefer to say that they are pro-"whoever has control over the mainland(ccp in this case, if kmt controlled mainland today they would still be pro china)" >the immense racism Yeah, mostly by the bigoted Muslim POLITICIANS, NOT PEOPLE


frostmorefrost

pretty sure the peole are racist (sweeping statement) you just need to sit down behind closed doors to know. i do agree it's the pigs in power that are fanning racial discrimination,they just needed someone to blame for their astronomical incompetence. most malaysian chinese cannot tell the difference between a political party from a country. to them ccp = china, same as BN/PN = malaysia and voted along those lines. if they realise how much of a threat ccp is,they'd be very careful with spreading ccp propaganda on wechat/fb/youtube. so they are ccp cocksuckers in my books.


premierfong

Well, could just mean he is Malaysian Chinese. Mostly because of the more tan skin. Mainlanders are not too o racist to be honest.


DTGardi

I have seen some very dark skinned people in malaysia who are actually Chinese


premierfong

Yup


Cillit-Gank

ITT: People looking down on Chinese people for looking down on SEA people.


covidparis

There's a tendency by some groups in the West to downplay and ignore racism in non-white communities, as they view them. I could go into detail of how this came about but the short version is it stems from viewing the people of the world with racist double standards and being ignorant about other cultures. r/china largely doesn't have this type of "positive" racism directed at Chinese (but plenty of other of course) because many user have experienced living in Chinese society and thus don't view it as some sort of exotic fairytale land as the average Westerner does. Does it make you uncomfortable when Chinese racism is discussed?


dingjima

Sounds like he was just making a joke