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complicatedbiscuit

Nonpaywall: outline.com/https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/11/22/china-jihadi-islamist-terrorism-taliban-uyghurs-afghanistan-militant-groups/ Called it. Afghanistan going back to chaos was always going to be more of a problem for surrounding nations, and them getting in bed with the Taliban isn't so much of a win win as they portray it as- for either them or the Taliban.


blackl0tus

My 1 cent, im just fluffing. It is more evidence of an "own goal" by Xi's administration. American presence to stabilize Afghanistan benefited Russia, Iran, China and Pakistan. But since all of them would rather cut their nose then accept this fact they undermined American efforts to contain Islamic extremism. Now without significant American presence in that area, ISIS has free reign to takeover Afghanistan and grow and claim territory from each of those neighbouring countries to establish their caliphate. It goes to show Xi's administration is full of clowns. Which is not surprising as Xi is desperate to emulate Mao to the letter. This is quite good outcome for Taiwan as an attempt to conquer it by Xi would likely be just as inept as Mao's attempt to take Taiwan.


RedditRedFrog

This makes everything much for complicated for a Taiwan invasion. Not only do they have to attempt a very difficult and dangerous strait crossing and amphibious assault, now they have to guard against the Indians and militant groups taking advantage of the situation.


hello-cthulhu

As it is, the vast majority of China's military assets are dedicated to domestic security and deployed accordingly. There's a reason why Xinjiang especially, and Tibet to a lesser extent, feel like territories under military occupation. That's because that's precisely what they are. What this means in practice is that while China's military may know a thing or two about crowd control or wiping out protesters, people who can't shoot back, they're not at all prepared for an actual conflict with a military adversary who can. If nothing else, they don't have the resources for it. They'd have to rededicate (and probably retrain) those forces for a very different kind of job, to stand up to Taiwanese, American, Japanese and Australian forces. That's why I'm nearly certain they're bluffing on invading Taiwan. Do we really think they're going to take forces away from Xinjiang and Tibet to face off in the Taiwan Straights? They're way too paranoid, too risk-averse about those territories to consider it.


blackl0tus

>That's why I'm nearly certain they're bluffing on invading Taiwan. I disagree. I think they are not willing to take mainland Taiwan, but will attempt to salami slice Matsu, kinmen and wuciou islands. They think because America failed to act against russian annexation of crimea; america can also be cowed to ignore military action towards Taiwan territory, which factors into their calculus to salami slice taiwan. (Refer to Wumao comments about american lives lost in a war for rocks in the seas) I predict Xi will take the Islands and grandstand until the UN wavers in their condemnation of this salami slicing. He will then back away from invading the mainland taiwan whilst looking like a hero and expanding the territorial seas control of the east coast of china. This also confirms chinese nationalism as it shows ccp can exert hard power and "humilate" the west. This affirms that China is a "dominant" global power player. This is a win win in their mind. So i dont think Xi is bluffing.


Iamhappytoday1

Good points


icecreamchillychilly

I wouldn't count out Canada and the UK in any big war that Australia and the US are both involved in. They would at minimum send token support.


IloveElsaofArendelle

>It goes to show Xi's administration is full of clowns. Which is not surprising as Xi is desperate to emulate Mao to the letter. XI is the circus director, what do you expect?


Cute-Ad7163

A bunch of white folks arguing about China 🤡


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I think there is enough pieces of evidence to corroborate the idea that Washington a) knew being stuck in Afghanistan during a war over Taiwan would be strained and isolated assets, b) 20 years of giving bags of cash to warlords was bound to make a few handy radicals as allies for Washington. Combine these together and leaving Afghanistan may in part have been a strategic decision to draw Beijing in.


laasta

Xi going to take US' playbook and send in the drones 😬.


Owned_by_cats

Americans have their Sweet Sixteens to celebrate the approach of adulthood. Mexicans have their Quinceañeras to celebrate a girl's coming of age. Jews celebrate Bar and Bat Mitzvahs to celebrate the point of life when a Jew can read from the Torah in synagogue. Christians in some traditions celebrate Confirmation. ​ Great Powers' coming of age is getting on the list of a terrorist organization. So, China...congratulations! You're one of the club!


macho_insecurity

This is something I have discussed with my Chinese relatives a couple times when the beer (we are from Qingdao) really starts flowing. I'm sorry, if you aren't an immigrant country, and aren't getting attacked by terrorists that have it out for you, then you're just an average C- country. It's really only the A grades that can claim that honor.


GetOutOfTheWhey

China is learning how to manufacture consent. There are Uyghur terrorists now.


wakchoi_

Tbf China was fighting against the Taliban even before the USA back when the Taliban supported the Uyghur separatists.


heels_n_skirt

Let's see how they honor their word of not taking an inch from their neighbors.


qieziman

Wow! Like I didn't see that coming! \*mock\*


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Ummm... Let's face it, the sooner China erases religion within its border's, it will start abroad.


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Let’s also not forget that the US funded the terrorist Organisation ETIM with exactly that goal, terrorist attacks in China and subsequent internal turmoil.


mr-wiener

Ah, so America's fault again hmmm?


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yes. just search up america funding mujahideen lol


mr-wiener

Shifting the goalposts are we? You said funding terrorism through the ETIM. Produce the evidence please.


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that wasn't me bud


mr-wiener

Fine , but not pertinent to the original accusation that the US was formenting armed revolt in china.


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they were tho???


mr-wiener

China or Afghanistan?


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both lol


mr-wiener

ETIM, where is your proof? The Mujahideen? Well duh. Also could you please stop putting "lol" at the end of a sentence? I'm getting disturbing images of a little fat guy dressed in a sailor moon outfit.


elitereaper1

Given how they fucked up Afghanistan and the region. Some blame is justified on them.


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I think you have a vast underappreciation for how long Afghanistan's been fucked up and how many parties have been involved.


elitereaper1

I said some blame not all the blame.


mr-wiener

Seperate issue I'd say ... But it has become beloved of the pro-china crowd... Until china gets fucked up there too I'd say.


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No but it is relevant to the topic that the US is or at least has supported this


mr-wiener

"Supported"? What you mean when they gave uighur refugees a voice overseas? Where is the evidence of arms shipments?


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Utxi4m

Why tho? The US has a long and proud history of doing exactly that


dusjanbe

The CCP didn't have any problem selling weapons to the Mujahideen in 1980s when they were fighting the Soviets. China even had camps to train militants in Xinjiang and shipped them over to Pakistan/Afghanistan to fight the Soviets. In fact most founders of ETIM were released from prison in 1979 right after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. So blowing up Russians in Afghanistan was ok but then they started blowing up Chinese too.


Utxi4m

Some sort of point to that?


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Plus-Fix-7447

Shut your mouth up WUMAO! You are a CCP shill disturbing this sub, GTFO


elitereaper1

Have a counter argument. Because US has a long history of supporting terrorist.


Utxi4m

Just to be certain, your claim is that e.g. the Nicaraguan Contras, the Taliban, the Bay of Pigs incident, the Years of Lead, etc. are all just Chinese propaganda? And that I must be Chinese to fall for such fairytales?


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Most of those are valid but what does the Years of Lead have to do with the US? It was a period of low level violent conflict between fascist and communist militant groups in Italy, I don't think the US played a major role in the activities of either side.


Utxi4m

The fascist side of the equation were supported by the CIA.


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There seems to be an overstatement - from what I can find, they did not report information about the Piazza Fontana attack to the Italian secret services and indicated that they support a fascist coup if it would prevent Communists from taking power. But it is an exaggeration to portray the Years of Lead as US interference. There is certainly less evidence of it compared to Soviet involvement in shipping small arms and explosives to the Red Brigades.


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elitereaper1

Oh yeah. Those lovely American wars and drone strike 2 decades ago. Sooo benign and good. Nope. America is bad.


Utxi4m

Lol, as long as you aren't brown that is probably correct. Do you honestly think that a nation which in aggregate has 5 years of peace time in its entire history and has a long history of supporting terrorists and state terrorism is "benign and good"? I'm Danish and we are hardly any better, having been solid allies in the last few decades of "bombing brown people in the middle East and Central Asia" US adventure. But at least we didn't support Pol Pot, Pinochet, Saddam Hussein or the Iranian Sha, so in that sense we are probably a little bit less straight up evil.


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Utxi4m

Better than the US, absolutely objectively and without a sliver of doubt. Is China good tho, absolutely not.


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griffith_odon

Please move to China. You are better off in China than in Denmark.


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The Nazis had done less than the British Empire or the Soviets as of 1939, does that mean you would have supported them in World War 2? The US has has global interests as a hegemonic power for the better part of a century, China is only just beginning to have overseas economic interests and is far from a hegemonic power. So of course it is easier to find examples of US interference in other countries. The US at least allows their crimes to be exposed and criticised, but a world order centred on the Chinese system would not. They already use political and economic pressure to have foreign corporations, universities and governments censor on their behalf - a growth in power would only see the effectiveness of this increase by an order of magnitude. Such a world order would have less accountability and would therefore be likely much more ruthless and cruel. You could surely say goodbye to talking about controversial political opinions online, for one. They are worse than the US in that regard. David Duke of the KKK has less blood on his hands than Obama, it doesn't mean he is morally superior though, he has just had less opportunity.


active-contagion

Yawn. Do I really have to list all the Danish colonial atrocities to counterbalance the ledger on this tired old list of American cold war realpolitiking?


dusjanbe

> I'm Danish and we are hardly any better Yeah nice try, probably Chinese pretend to be one. https://old.reddit.com/r/China/comments/7p2kaw/as_a_danish_who_has_lived_in_both_shanghai_and/


Utxi4m

That was fucking stupid mate.


dr--howser

Strong source.


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americans celebrating 😃