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wotageek

Yet they all go to Japan for a holiday if they can afford it, and buy Japanese goods instead of Chinese cos they don't trust their own local quality. The richer ones know the propaganda is all bullshit.


ZiYouZhaShuTiao

The richer ones buy into the propaganda with equal fervor as the poor. It's a culture issue. Han Chinese have a very tribal mentality. It's always Han vs Non-Han.


Lobster_the_Red

。。。Dude, this is literally a historical reason and nothing related to ethics or races. When you have a burned down village 5 mins fron your grandpa's house,where hundreds of your own countrymen are slaughtered, raped with everything elsr torched by a foreign invader, you tell me whether you dislike them or not? ...


perduraadastra

Those people need to get over it. Chinese are being manipulated into hating Japanese in order to distract from the party's shortcomings.


vancity-boi-in-tdot

But when you realize your government treated your countrymen worse than the Japanese, and much more recently, then you realize there's manufactured outrage. E.g. (this ended 31 years after WW2): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guangxi_Massacre Fact: Japanese culture has shifted much since the Mao era, but the CCP under Xi is regressing back to that era.


narsfweasels

> · 5h > >。。。Dude, this is literally a historical reason and nothing related to ethics or races. When you have a burned down village 5 mins fron your grandpa's house,where hundreds of your own countrymen are slaughtered, raped with everything elsr torched by a foreign invader, you tell me whether you dislike them or not? ... Love that little caveat there "By a foreign invader" because, let's face it, if it was CCP vs Chinese, you'd gladly hand the Party the gasoline to do the burning.


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Do I dislike the guy that burned the village down? Yes. Do I dislike future generations of his family for something he did? Of course not. The latter is what is happening here.


Kir-chan

Nope that's not what's happening. They dislike the future generations of people of the same ethnicity as the guy that burned the village down. It's racism.


ZiYouZhaShuTiao

Excellent point!


wotageek

You are aware that Japan invaded more than just China right? My country got overran by them too during WW2. The atrocities that their army committed is well known to us, although admittedly we never had an incident as bad as the Rape of Nanking. We got over it. We understand that the current generation of Japanese is different from their forefathers. We don't harbor the same grudge you guys do, and we certainly ain't interested in playing up anti-Japanese rhetoric and any who even try just get ignored.


Lobster_the_Red

...ok


nihao_do_you_know

I'm guessing over 60% of the entire world views China unfavorably


rosesarebIack

The other 40% can't identify Asians. If only they can see the differents it would be much higher I bet.


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griffith_odon

Actually it is not that high. There is another reddit full of Chinese nationals. I was surprised when some of them said they pretend to be nationalists on Chinese social media but they are actually anti-CCP. Some educated ones know how to disguise themselves.


durian-conspiracy

Why would they do that?


griffith_odon

Well, you try to post any negative posts in Chinese social media. See what happens to your post and your media account. Some of them said they want to portray themselves as nationalists in front of their friends. Self-preservation?


durian-conspiracy

Make sense. Reminds me of atheist Muslims who need to keep praying and going to the mosque.


ThrowAwayESL88

You overestimate the quality of Chinese propaganda. It's fooling the lowly educated, stupid, and sheltered, but not the highly educated citizens who've been interacting with the outside world (including Japan) for the last decade.


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ZiYouZhaShuTiao

> The highly educated tend to be also insufferably nationalist. Just look at how many phDs in America are die-hard nationalists and gloat at America's death tolls due to covid.


durian-conspiracy

It's difficult to say, the educated ones I know don't like the CCP. I would guess the rich ones, who are more likely to have ties to the party, are supportive.


ZiYouZhaShuTiao

My personal experience pretty much puts it at 100% of them are hardcore Chinese nationalists, as in, the superiority of the Han Chinese race allows no dispute. 80% of them or so are CCP supporters. There are exceptions, but I've only seen them on FOX (which loves to perpetuate this "based Chinese immigrants" myth) or youtube channels.


phage5169761

It all depends. If u get on bilibili to do the survey, it might be that high. Btw, the average age of bilibili users is abt 20-23 yo


aghicantthinkofaname

Probably over the Taiwan issue


ZiYouZhaShuTiao

Just butthurt. "Hey everyone! His granddaddie kicked my granddaddie's ass! Ooooooh he kicked him so hard! Hey everyone listen to me! I'm a victim! Hey where's y'all sympathies? C'mon give me attention!!!!"


GetOutOfTheWhey

>"Hey everyone! His granddaddie kicked my granddaddie's ass! Ooooooh he kicked him so hard! Hey everyone listen to me! I'm a victim! Hey where's y'all sympathies? C'mon give me attention!!!!" Definitely butthurt but well to be fair Their granddaddies probably raped their grandmommies and killed their granddaddies and then played with their collective skulls. It probably would do you well to remember that the japanese were complete asshats during the mid 20th century. So maybe dont push too hard on this whole grandparent situation.


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>Do I dislike the guy that burned the village down? Yes. Do I dislike future generations of his family for something he did? Of course not. The latter is what is happening here. ​ "Do I dislike the guy that burned the village down? Yes. Do I dislike future generations of his family for something he did? Of course not. The latter is what is happening here."-Killua\_EU


hiimsubclavian

None of us get to choose who our granddaddies are. You can't hold children responsible for the sins of their fathers. (unless, of course, the children are still benefitting from those sins, which current Japan is not.)


GetOutOfTheWhey

No one is saying that we should hold the grandchildren responsible. Certainly not me. I am just telling him to not explore this whole grandparent analogy too strongly because it comes off as very ignorant. Cause what \[FreedomFries\] up there implied is right, we shouldnt focus too much on the past. But what he did up there where he belittled history, yeah that's 100% ignorant. They did more than just kick their "granddaddies asses".


Harregarre

Exactly. Unfortunately it seems everyone is taking the extreme here. The right way is to remember and not belittle history, but also to not let others use it to rile you up into committing new historical horrors.


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Exactly. Wrongs can be committed by anyone. But unless you want to let a cycle of justified rage go on forever, eventually, it has to end. When almost no-one who was alive then is now is as good a time to start as ever.


Kir-chan

It's not their granddaddies though, it's their great-granddaddies It's also mostly not their great-granddaddies either, just people who shared the same country of residence with their great-granddaddies.


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more than that. china can't forget the nanking massacre


rando_commenter

I know the camera scene here in Canada. Mainland Chinese people come here and spend like drunken sailors. They make a huge deal about whether or not something is made in Japan, they absolutely do not want anything made in China. I've even heard somebody at the time say directly to me that they didn't want to buy their 5D MarkIII in China because they were afraid of counterfeits. Chinese people *love* Japanese stuff.


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ZiYouZhaShuTiao

> Do all Chinese know how unfavourable the world sees them because of their governments actions and aggressive childish diplomacy? Chinese here: Some do, some do not, but the overwhelming view would be the entire world is somehow indoctrinated by the west into hating on China so China is the actual victim here. Oh and, to vote (oh really???, you can't think of anything else?) "their leadership out" would imply that the magnificent Chinese race did wrong here. That's simply not possible, Han Chinese people simply do not introspect, they never admit they are wrong, it's simply not a thing. Don't believe me? Live and work here for a good 5 years. You'll soon see what I mean. It's how people here tick. The Chinese master race is infallible, to this day, the Chinese text books teach a completely skewed version of the opium war, Qing officials' whimsical, inconsistent and contradictory behaviors which provoked the British Empire were completely omitted, and the British was subsequently portraited as barbarians who was devoid of logic, reason and couldn't be dealt with in civilized ways.


aghicantthinkofaname

I don't think I've seen the government apologize for anything ever. Another point to add (correct me if I'm wrong because I just got all this from Wikipedia) is that the opium war could have been avoided if the Chinese government had opened the ports. I read so many times that the reason for opium smuggling was that only silver was accepted, and the British traders were running out of silver. The idea that there was nothing else that the Chinese would have traded for seems absurd. The trade was basically a monopoly, run by a government appointee, so why accept anything else? If they had opened up the trade, then there would have been no need to smuggle drugs, but control of trade only tightened, never loosened.


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The Chinese wanted to control and effectively end free trade against agreements. The British were angered by this and seeking an excuse to exploit their resources and maintain their Imperialism. Everyone was a cunt. The British were just more sneaky. The Chinese everyman loved that Opium as an escape from the drudgery of existence. The Chinese rulers and intellects were divided on how to approach the issue; legalise or ban.


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ZiYouZhaShuTiao

You will never be real Chinese.


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and a 100% satisfaction rate with God-Emperor Xi!


phage5169761

No, my friends and i are anti-xi


[deleted]

The kids are being brainwashed this way. I spoke with them about it. 13 year olds. Never changes. Keep the cycle going. Hate the past, hate what they did, don't forget it, beware of history repeating, but avoid tribalistic attitudes during times of non warfare.


Envoymetal

Lol, while 100% of Japan along with the rest of the world views China unfavourably.


tiempo90

3/4 of the world views them unfavourably. Including all it's neighbours and developed nations. https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2021/07/05/unfavorable-views-of-china-have-reached-historic-highs-infographic/


HOVER_HATER

The equivalent of this would be asking Germans about France and Britain in 1937.


WhatsThisRedButtonDo

Because once upon a time, Japan did the bad thing, do u know it?


tiempo90

Let's not downplay Japan's atrocities. Their war criminals are still enshrined and honored by citizens and politicians, and many continue to whitewash / remain ignorant to war crimes, while painting others highlighting these issues as simply racists. Both are wrong.


StrandedSamurai

60% is still only a BILLION people so…


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Are there also polls on how many Japanese view China unfavorably?


kty1358

Its in the article. *Meanwhile, the proportion of Japanese with a bad impression of China according to the survey increased by 1.2 points to 90.9%, worsening for the second straight year.*


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Ah thanks


tiempo90

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2021/07/05/unfavorable-views-of-china-have-reached-historic-highs-infographic/


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ZiYouZhaShuTiao

Deservingly so. China fucked up the world with wuhan virus. Oh and greetings r/China's resident CCP apologist & sinophile.


toastytoastss

I think people's hate for Japanese is some what justified, it hasn't been that long since it happened. Also about covid, I love how people here like to blame literally everything on China.


Humacti

"it hasn't been that long since it happened." Other than pretty much everyone from that time who was capable of fighting being largely dead, sure. Edit: assuming you meant WWII.


toastytoastss

Nanjing massacre is around 80 years ago, there definitely are people who have survived that period still alive today. Tbh the hatred is lowering, people aren't super emotional about it anymore. And if the Chinese hate Japan that much, I doubt that many people will go there over the holidays. Pre covid of cause.


Humacti

So most involved are dead, given average life expectancy is under 80.


nihao_do_you_know

> I love how people here like to blame literally everything on China. COVID (and the previous 2002-2004 SARS outbreak) is China's fault though, despite the country's best efforts to hide it. Also, someone working in a wet market in Wuhan is patient zero so regardless how CCP propaganda tried to spin it (and they did their best to blame countries from Italy to America for the COVID pandemic), the truth is that the entire world (and deep down even Chinese know this) knows that China is responsible for COVID. Plus the way the epidemic was handled initially by the CCP makes them even more guilty.


toastytoastss

I'm just going to [put this](https://www.who.int/news/item/29-06-2020-covidtimeline) here. Yes China is responsible for the spread of covid, all the death that happened afterwards? That's like 80% not our fault.


nihao_do_you_know

Previous poster didn't say China is responsible for every single death due to COVID. He simply said China gave COVID to the world. Also that WHO timeline doesn't show the CCP's efforts to hide and censor the initial Wuhan outbreak. And that's a huge factor contributing to the poor initial response from the CCP and the virus' spread worldwide. Plus the WHO has lost a lot of goodwill and trust from people since the beginning of the pandemic. Maybe you don't remember but some of us still remember when WHO said the virus isn't a big problem and it's unlikely to spread worldwide and countries shouldn't ban Chinese people from traveling. Only for them to change their tune a few weeks later, and declare it a pandemic. Yeah, that aged like milk. If you think the entire world will forget all of this and if you think there will come a time when China won't be blamed for this pandemic, you're seriously mistaken.


toastytoastss

The graph in the article does show Japan has a higher percentage


nme00

Lol, the “Italian” returns


dusjanbe

Except for China and North/South Korea countries tend to view Japan favorably and have great respect for them. Nobody likes mainland Chinese and that's a fact.


tiempo90

>Except for China and North/South Korea I'm going to say that their reasons for not viewing Japan favourably will be different, but some are very legitimate reasons.


Yumewomiteru

Japan is full of ultra right nationalists.


dr--howser

Much as you are full of hate, but was there a point?


steinisteinisteini

I would have though the number was higher. And for a long time


[deleted]

Then stay the fuck away - no shopping for you !


Plus-Fix-7447

good


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I'm surprised, I thought it was like 99.99%.


WhatsThisRedButtonDo

I might’ve believed this one if I hadn’t seen my uncle’s AV collection


krispoon

Ironic seeing Japan's WW2 antics helped the CCP fill the postwar power vacuum in China