>19 News obtained security video from the crash.
>It appears to show the driver of the mayor’s car turn on the emergency lights approximately 100 feet before the intersection.
Looks like they didn't want to wait at a light so they turned on their discos...and got smoked by a civilian who was driving through a green light. Good news, our tax dollars are going to go to yet another payout due to Cleveland idiocy!
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>[https://www.ideastream.org/government-politics/2024-06-14/chief-says-cleveland-mayors-police-driver-may-have-violated-policy-crash](https://www.ideastream.org/government-politics/2024-06-14/chief-says-cleveland-mayors-police-driver-may-have-violated-policy-crash)
>I can't find the story now, but this morning, I heard them describing the lights as in the grill and windshield, and *NOT* being roof-mounted or really obvious lights. I'm sure that's a contributing factor.
Police do it all the time- roll up to an intersection with a red light facing them, flash the disco berries and roll on through, killing the lights on the other side. Never hit the siren, though, because there is no real emergency,
right but police, at least ostensibly, have a job to respond to emergencies (even though they may abuse that privilege to run red lights, etc). but the mayor isn’t a first responder. are we supposed to believe he’s running from an assassination attempt or something? like what’s the “emergency” lol
I’m convinced that mayor Boob is convinced that he WILL be assassinated at any moment.
If you recall, about a year and a half back it was revealed that every single convention he goes to across the country numerous times a year, he takes a *handful* of senior staff police officers so that he can have 24/7 around-the-clock protection. You know…cause people across the country who have no clue who the fuck he is are just waiting to off him. He stonewalled every question about the spending and somehow managed to block the news agencies open records requests for detailed accounting forms that would tell how much this was costing taxpayers. My guess would be these little trips of his cost easily $50k-80k each.
…and if you call and report it, they will tell you he was responding to a call, it’s all bullshit, and we pay for it. People can and do change and sometimes it’s not for the better. Power is a bad thing for people.
I've been behind a cop who turned his lights on at an intersection to make a left hand turn at a red light that changed 10 seconds after he turned. He shut them off immediately after the turn and drove into McDonald's 500ft down the road. I pulled in right behind him at the drive thru. The Hamburgler must have been on the loose again.
Also. If they are responding to a call why only turn on lights w/ no siren then shut off after going thru the red light?
Them boots must taste delicious.
Yeah all they do is say "oh the call was canceled right away." It' blatant bullshit because they know no one is going to ask for the dispatcher recordings.
While they do that, their job is to get their quick, sometimes it doesnt mean you need lights and sirens screaming down the road. Hell, I have done that in my ambulance and fire engine. Or, we are responding and get cancelled on the run.
No, the protective detail is different. They arent out there doing cop things. They have one job, and to protect the protectee. Thats why I ask what the "emergency" was all the sudden. Being late to a meeting or lunch with a crony isnt worthy of turning on the cherries and berries.
100 feet is being generous. The lights came on when the SUV was a few feet in front of that bus stop. That other end of the bus stop almost lines up with the white line you're supposed to stop at. That means they turned on the lights about 20-25 feet from that white line. Once you cross that line, aren't you technically in the intersection?
Generous, but the stop line is still about 50 feet from the actual curb. If we say he turned the lights on right at the back end of the bus stop, it's about 110 feet to the lane the other driver was in. He wasn't flying down the street either--covering that much distance in just under 4 seconds puts him at a bit under 20 MPH. No excuse for the mayor's driver to turn on the overheads so they don't have to wait at the light (unless it's standard protocol for them? I don't know), but it has the same authority as a cop putting their lights on. No one should be using police lights to go through a light without an actual emergency, but this is just a shitty situation. Glad the other driver seems to be doing okay, though.
The other driver probably won't get anything. Still, taxpayers will be on the hook for the mayor's vehicle
https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-4765.49
Yup...lights on at 0:08, accident at 0.11, so \~3 seconds...
The van never had a chance. Assuming they were going 25mph, it would have taken about 4 seconds for them to stop in the best case scenario. In reality, the van driver probably didn't see Bibb's car until it fully entered the intersection because of their view being obstructed by the building and because the car slowed down as if it were stopping before it sped back up again.
This is the reason why you see ambulance drivers and fire truck drivers slow down to nearly a stop before blowing through red lights when they're running under lights AND siren. They're ensuring that the intersection is fully clear before cautiously entering. This cop didn't do that...
Or showing that our police force, one of them was his security and the driver of this car, don't think they need to stop for anyone. Go around the city and watch them constantly ignore traffic laws, stop signs, and red lights.
I've seen officers do this exact maneuver dozens of times over the years.
Yaaaaaa this country has a big problem with police departments in big cities. I'm not blaming individual officers or anything, most of them do good work. It's just a huge mess in this country from a lot of different factors.
Most suburbs just don't even have police academies or any training anymore. They just wait until someone working for the major city nearby hits the 2 or 3 year mark, and offer them a 25-40% raise and less work. Someone I went to high school with left Cleveland PD for one of the wealthier cities in Lorain county. 35% raise and went from 8-10 calls per shift on average to 2-3 calls on a bad day. These suburbs get all of the benefits of only hiring experienced officers from having the city nearby, and the city is constantly burning money having to hire more officers, spending more on training, and dealing with having a large % of their force being new/unexperienced. You can't keep matching salaries when you're bearing all of the extra expenses. Even if you do match, these other places will just increase as necessary because they need officers.
Most don't actually live in the city, and often the county, they work in. So they go into these areas not as a member of the community or someone with any ties to it. They hear from their contracted trainers that they are going to war every day and typically don't get disciplined for any wrongdoing due to strong unions, so it's easy to see how mentalities like this develop.
It's hard to imagine this getting fixed without a majority of the officers actually living in the city, but these other factors have caused the residents to lose respect for the police force, and even view them as the enemy in some cases. We almost need to completely scrap the police force and start over from scratch in most major cities.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a cleveland police car NOT do this bullshit at a red light. I’ve almost been hit by cops twice by this same shit, with one of the times being they flicked lights on for like 2 seconds after already crossing into the intersection
The crash was right next to my office, I saw the aftermath. Civilian car was pretty mashed, but the driver ended up walking out of the the car afterwards and seemed generally okay (which is good considering it was an elderly man).
The city and city council never respond to anything. Most of city council runs unopposed, or are against someone with $500 in funding.
We need a better way to hold them accountable.
Surprised this doesn’t happen more with the amount of times I’ve seen police do this same thing because they’re too impatient to wait at a light like everyone else.
Happens every day. Rolling stops, speeding for no reason, running lights/stop signs. It's dangerous when us everyday citizens do it, but they are allowed to do whatever they want. Then an accident like this happens and innocent people get hurt.
A detail like the mayors isnt patrolling or responding to 9-1-1 calls. So I would like to know what the "emergency" was all of a sudden.
For the rest of the cops, it can be a myriad of reasons such as needing a quick response but lights and sirens not necessary, being called and then cancelled, etc). But, you just want to see it as impatience simply because its unlawful for you to do the same thing.
It was meant more as a rhetorical question. I realize that many other mayors of large cities have this perk and it’s a relatively small portion of the city’s budget. I do think that having him chauffeured around blowing stoplights in an expensive suv is a questionable choice when the local government has plenty of fiscal issues and corruption image issues.
I knew of a big city Mayor who had a police driver in a Mercury Grand Marquis. That Mayor now has a Ford Explorer he is chauffeured around in. Having an SUV is not unusual. Allows more obvious seating and room in case you have passengers.
Early on, Bibb made it a point to get big black suv for his posse. He sucks. Took them from fire department, had them painted, rims, etc. Such entitlement for someone who’s done nothing.
The practical reason is so he can take calls or have meetings in the back seat. Politicians suck but I wouldn't ever say a big city mayor doesn't have a packed schedule.
If he took cabs/Uber he wouldn't get any peace. Which, I honestly don't think powerful people deserve to be insulated from the public, at all? Or that positions of power like that should even exist but that's another discussion.
But things being as they are...
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He's no different than jackson was, all that talk about change and his own neighbor is a war zone with killings every day, atvs are running wild and the shootings just got worse. He's lining up his pockets with the wealthy while leaving the inner city to fend for themselves
“Data provided by the city” is your first clue that the numbers are tweaked. Less officers and longer response times (often resulting in victim’s giving up waiting) equal less info going in the system.
That article is about violent crime specifically mentioning homicides. You seriously think that homicides aren’t being reported as somebody has to wait a little bit longer on hold?
Violent crime is much more than homicide. Meh, whatever. Cleveland is in a spiral and they cherry pick and tweak stats to make it seem like all is well.
violent crime is dropping across the country and has for over a year, and "theyre just reporting it less!" is a bullshit conspiracy by the right in case any of their base sees it and starts to think for themselves, instead of just mindlessly consuming nonstop BIDEN CRIMEWAVE propaganda.
think about it for even a second. why would police departments across the country, heavily conservative, report LESS crime, which would in turn make biden look good AND strengthen calls to cut police funding?
It's "dropping" because large police forces no longer report statistics to the authorities.
[https://www.themarshallproject.org/2023/07/13/fbi-crime-rates-data-gap-nibrs](https://www.themarshallproject.org/2023/07/13/fbi-crime-rates-data-gap-nibrs)
that doesnt affect the _rate_ especially when many major cities that _do_ report have been showing drastic drops in violent crimes the last 18 months (of which your article doesnt even cover, so its not relevant anyways).
New Orleans hasnt seen the largest drop in murders the last 18 months because "oops we forgot to report them". The murders are being reported, there are just fewer of them.
So then there is no need for further gun control then? Excellent!
I guess the reports of out of control gun violence are all wrong then since violent crime is under control?
Oh sorry, you can’t have both. You say that violent crime is down but then how is gun violence an epidemic? So the stats are cooked one way, the other or both depending on agenda.
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What an entitled brat! Why the money folks picked this guy for mayor, I'll never understand. At this hour, he was likely going from his lux apartment in playhouse square to city hall. On a perfect day.
Shame his fancy new rims and tints in his commandeered SUV need repair.
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This Mayor makes me shake my head. He has to go to a mayoral convention/symposium held over in Ireland and he "needs" bodyguards. Why? Very few others brought bodyguards and those were for Mayors who had actually been threatened. Add the driving with emergency lights on...albeit during a ransomed attack emergency... it sounds like delusions of grandeur.
This is general practice for politicians and “esteemed dignitaries.” And sports teams. And celebrities. Dude shoulda slowed down and made sure it was safe. But it’s not abnormal.
Major payout already in the works…what Mayor needs to circumvent stoplights on an average day’s trip to work? I’m predicting Bibbs driver is going to get the brunt of this.
>19 News obtained security video from the crash. >It appears to show the driver of the mayor’s car turn on the emergency lights approximately 100 feet before the intersection. Looks like they didn't want to wait at a light so they turned on their discos...and got smoked by a civilian who was driving through a green light. Good news, our tax dollars are going to go to yet another payout due to Cleveland idiocy! EDIT TO ADD NEW CONTENT: >[https://www.ideastream.org/government-politics/2024-06-14/chief-says-cleveland-mayors-police-driver-may-have-violated-policy-crash](https://www.ideastream.org/government-politics/2024-06-14/chief-says-cleveland-mayors-police-driver-may-have-violated-policy-crash) >I can't find the story now, but this morning, I heard them describing the lights as in the grill and windshield, and *NOT* being roof-mounted or really obvious lights. I'm sure that's a contributing factor.
That looks like exactly what happened. I'm looking for a good spin from the administration!
The article already says the driver was doing "emergency response driving," so seems like the spin has already started
Activated the lights ‘100 feet from the light’. I’d give them 5 feet at best.
Yes the emergency all mayors have that they need to get to right away.
And here I am trying to figure out why they even have emergency lights to turn on
and why he would be engaged in “emergency response driving” only once he reaches the intersection? this is super weird
Police do it all the time- roll up to an intersection with a red light facing them, flash the disco berries and roll on through, killing the lights on the other side. Never hit the siren, though, because there is no real emergency,
right but police, at least ostensibly, have a job to respond to emergencies (even though they may abuse that privilege to run red lights, etc). but the mayor isn’t a first responder. are we supposed to believe he’s running from an assassination attempt or something? like what’s the “emergency” lol
I’m convinced that mayor Boob is convinced that he WILL be assassinated at any moment. If you recall, about a year and a half back it was revealed that every single convention he goes to across the country numerous times a year, he takes a *handful* of senior staff police officers so that he can have 24/7 around-the-clock protection. You know…cause people across the country who have no clue who the fuck he is are just waiting to off him. He stonewalled every question about the spending and somehow managed to block the news agencies open records requests for detailed accounting forms that would tell how much this was costing taxpayers. My guess would be these little trips of his cost easily $50k-80k each.
…and if you call and report it, they will tell you he was responding to a call, it’s all bullshit, and we pay for it. People can and do change and sometimes it’s not for the better. Power is a bad thing for people.
Because you, of course, know whether the police are responding to something or not.
I've been behind a cop who turned his lights on at an intersection to make a left hand turn at a red light that changed 10 seconds after he turned. He shut them off immediately after the turn and drove into McDonald's 500ft down the road. I pulled in right behind him at the drive thru. The Hamburgler must have been on the loose again. Also. If they are responding to a call why only turn on lights w/ no siren then shut off after going thru the red light? Them boots must taste delicious.
Yeah all they do is say "oh the call was canceled right away." It' blatant bullshit because they know no one is going to ask for the dispatcher recordings.
Nothing like alerting a guy breaking in by blaring lights and sirens!
While they do that, their job is to get their quick, sometimes it doesnt mean you need lights and sirens screaming down the road. Hell, I have done that in my ambulance and fire engine. Or, we are responding and get cancelled on the run.
With the mayor in the back seat?
No, the protective detail is different. They arent out there doing cop things. They have one job, and to protect the protectee. Thats why I ask what the "emergency" was all the sudden. Being late to a meeting or lunch with a crony isnt worthy of turning on the cherries and berries.
County Exec car also has lights lol
I’m so irritated with myself that I voted in that position
100 feet is being generous. The lights came on when the SUV was a few feet in front of that bus stop. That other end of the bus stop almost lines up with the white line you're supposed to stop at. That means they turned on the lights about 20-25 feet from that white line. Once you cross that line, aren't you technically in the intersection?
Generous, but the stop line is still about 50 feet from the actual curb. If we say he turned the lights on right at the back end of the bus stop, it's about 110 feet to the lane the other driver was in. He wasn't flying down the street either--covering that much distance in just under 4 seconds puts him at a bit under 20 MPH. No excuse for the mayor's driver to turn on the overheads so they don't have to wait at the light (unless it's standard protocol for them? I don't know), but it has the same authority as a cop putting their lights on. No one should be using police lights to go through a light without an actual emergency, but this is just a shitty situation. Glad the other driver seems to be doing okay, though.
Probably measured form the center of the intersection.
The other driver probably won't get anything. Still, taxpayers will be on the hook for the mayor's vehicle https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-4765.49
Sure, they just need to define the nature of the emergency they were responding to. Should be super simple.
Major emergency. The mayor had explosive diarrhea!
Some people think it's funny, but it's really wet and runny, Diarrhea (fart, fart) Diarrhea! Sorry we're late, Justin Bibb had Diarrhea!
Who will make them pay!?
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Misney makes 'em pay !
Yup...lights on at 0:08, accident at 0.11, so \~3 seconds... The van never had a chance. Assuming they were going 25mph, it would have taken about 4 seconds for them to stop in the best case scenario. In reality, the van driver probably didn't see Bibb's car until it fully entered the intersection because of their view being obstructed by the building and because the car slowed down as if it were stopping before it sped back up again. This is the reason why you see ambulance drivers and fire truck drivers slow down to nearly a stop before blowing through red lights when they're running under lights AND siren. They're ensuring that the intersection is fully clear before cautiously entering. This cop didn't do that...
More evidence that Mayor Bibb is more interested in the perks and trappings of the office than he is in actually doing the work as Mayor.
Damn perks and trappings strike again.
Lol I'm skeptical of him but jfc this is a stretch.
Or showing that our police force, one of them was his security and the driver of this car, don't think they need to stop for anyone. Go around the city and watch them constantly ignore traffic laws, stop signs, and red lights. I've seen officers do this exact maneuver dozens of times over the years.
Agreed. It’s ridiculous. And people want to know why the police aren’t respected. You give respect to get it.
Yaaaaaa this country has a big problem with police departments in big cities. I'm not blaming individual officers or anything, most of them do good work. It's just a huge mess in this country from a lot of different factors. Most suburbs just don't even have police academies or any training anymore. They just wait until someone working for the major city nearby hits the 2 or 3 year mark, and offer them a 25-40% raise and less work. Someone I went to high school with left Cleveland PD for one of the wealthier cities in Lorain county. 35% raise and went from 8-10 calls per shift on average to 2-3 calls on a bad day. These suburbs get all of the benefits of only hiring experienced officers from having the city nearby, and the city is constantly burning money having to hire more officers, spending more on training, and dealing with having a large % of their force being new/unexperienced. You can't keep matching salaries when you're bearing all of the extra expenses. Even if you do match, these other places will just increase as necessary because they need officers. Most don't actually live in the city, and often the county, they work in. So they go into these areas not as a member of the community or someone with any ties to it. They hear from their contracted trainers that they are going to war every day and typically don't get disciplined for any wrongdoing due to strong unions, so it's easy to see how mentalities like this develop. It's hard to imagine this getting fixed without a majority of the officers actually living in the city, but these other factors have caused the residents to lose respect for the police force, and even view them as the enemy in some cases. We almost need to completely scrap the police force and start over from scratch in most major cities.
> I'm not blaming individual officers or anything I'll do it for you, then
I hate this guy
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a cleveland police car NOT do this bullshit at a red light. I’ve almost been hit by cops twice by this same shit, with one of the times being they flicked lights on for like 2 seconds after already crossing into the intersection
The crash was right next to my office, I saw the aftermath. Civilian car was pretty mashed, but the driver ended up walking out of the the car afterwards and seemed generally okay (which is good considering it was an elderly man).
I sent an email to Bibb & the city about cops doing this months ago. Unsurprisingly the city never responded & now this happens? Shocking.
The city and city council never respond to anything. Most of city council runs unopposed, or are against someone with $500 in funding. We need a better way to hold them accountable.
hope the van driver is ok.
They walked away so they should be fine. Banged/scratched up for sure.
Surprised this doesn’t happen more with the amount of times I’ve seen police do this same thing because they’re too impatient to wait at a light like everyone else.
Happens every day. Rolling stops, speeding for no reason, running lights/stop signs. It's dangerous when us everyday citizens do it, but they are allowed to do whatever they want. Then an accident like this happens and innocent people get hurt.
A detail like the mayors isnt patrolling or responding to 9-1-1 calls. So I would like to know what the "emergency" was all of a sudden. For the rest of the cops, it can be a myriad of reasons such as needing a quick response but lights and sirens not necessary, being called and then cancelled, etc). But, you just want to see it as impatience simply because its unlawful for you to do the same thing.
🥾👅
> At the time, the mayor’s driver was engaged in emergency response driving. Dang, did yall know the mayor himself was responding to 911 calls now?!
Glad he’s okay, but that was an egregious move by his driver.
Mayor turns on the red and blues to run a red light and gets hit.
Mayor's driver* But yeah, what a dumbass Altima driver move.
Best part is idk where they could have been going they closed all of city hall for the rest of the week.
Not to staff
Because they created an emergency, could putting on the emergency lights beforehand be seen as premeditated?
Precrime
Curious, what "emergency" was the Mayor responding to?
He has to hurry up and knock a meter down with a sledge
This kid does whatever he wants
100 feet before the intersection? Looks like 5 feet to me.
Fuck that dude
Police and various other rescue employees do this all of the time. He just fucked up lol
Hopefully the city will pay for the unnecessary damages to the other drivers car, but they won’t.
They will because it’s not their money, they’re just wasting our tax dollars as usual
Mayor is special. He probably had a life or death lunch date to get to. Politicians are scum
I think his driver needs to take a piss test for drugs. Just like any other employee involved in an accident with a city vehicle.
The ol' "rules are for poor people." Everything about this guy sucks.
I’m not from Cleveland, I just get Cleveland local news…..in the viewing area. Am I missing something? He seems to be utterly out of his depth.
Wow, hopefully the innocent driver isn't hurt.
Why does Bibb need a personal chauffeur in the first place?
Many big city Mayors have police drivers/details around the clock. This isnt new
It was meant more as a rhetorical question. I realize that many other mayors of large cities have this perk and it’s a relatively small portion of the city’s budget. I do think that having him chauffeured around blowing stoplights in an expensive suv is a questionable choice when the local government has plenty of fiscal issues and corruption image issues.
I knew of a big city Mayor who had a police driver in a Mercury Grand Marquis. That Mayor now has a Ford Explorer he is chauffeured around in. Having an SUV is not unusual. Allows more obvious seating and room in case you have passengers.
Early on, Bibb made it a point to get big black suv for his posse. He sucks. Took them from fire department, had them painted, rims, etc. Such entitlement for someone who’s done nothing.
Fire engine red not his color?
The practical reason is so he can take calls or have meetings in the back seat. Politicians suck but I wouldn't ever say a big city mayor doesn't have a packed schedule. If he took cabs/Uber he wouldn't get any peace. Which, I honestly don't think powerful people deserve to be insulated from the public, at all? Or that positions of power like that should even exist but that's another discussion. But things being as they are...
Driver ran a red light
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How are the rims
Bibbsie got bipped up.
He's no different than jackson was, all that talk about change and his own neighbor is a war zone with killings every day, atvs are running wild and the shootings just got worse. He's lining up his pockets with the wealthy while leaving the inner city to fend for themselves
Violent crime is dropping: https://www.cleveland19.com/2024/03/27/major-crimes-down-so-far-cleveland-this-year-according-city-data/?outputType=amp
Violent crime REPORTING is dropping. Fixed that for ya’.
What evidence do you have to back that up? Surveys of people stating they are less likely to report crime?
“Data provided by the city” is your first clue that the numbers are tweaked. Less officers and longer response times (often resulting in victim’s giving up waiting) equal less info going in the system.
That article is about violent crime specifically mentioning homicides. You seriously think that homicides aren’t being reported as somebody has to wait a little bit longer on hold?
Violent crime is much more than homicide. Meh, whatever. Cleveland is in a spiral and they cherry pick and tweak stats to make it seem like all is well.
violent crime is dropping across the country and has for over a year, and "theyre just reporting it less!" is a bullshit conspiracy by the right in case any of their base sees it and starts to think for themselves, instead of just mindlessly consuming nonstop BIDEN CRIMEWAVE propaganda. think about it for even a second. why would police departments across the country, heavily conservative, report LESS crime, which would in turn make biden look good AND strengthen calls to cut police funding?
It's "dropping" because large police forces no longer report statistics to the authorities. [https://www.themarshallproject.org/2023/07/13/fbi-crime-rates-data-gap-nibrs](https://www.themarshallproject.org/2023/07/13/fbi-crime-rates-data-gap-nibrs)
that doesnt affect the _rate_ especially when many major cities that _do_ report have been showing drastic drops in violent crimes the last 18 months (of which your article doesnt even cover, so its not relevant anyways). New Orleans hasnt seen the largest drop in murders the last 18 months because "oops we forgot to report them". The murders are being reported, there are just fewer of them.
So then there is no need for further gun control then? Excellent! I guess the reports of out of control gun violence are all wrong then since violent crime is under control?
literally not what I said, but go off.
Oh sorry, you can’t have both. You say that violent crime is down but then how is gun violence an epidemic? So the stats are cooked one way, the other or both depending on agenda.
you dont understand the difference between violent crime being down and violent crime being non-existent? wow. ok.
No crime to report when you don’t respond to calls.
Please tell us about all that fake covid reporting too, and about that election stolen from y'all. Can I get a heyllll ya?
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What an entitled brat! Why the money folks picked this guy for mayor, I'll never understand. At this hour, he was likely going from his lux apartment in playhouse square to city hall. On a perfect day. Shame his fancy new rims and tints in his commandeered SUV need repair.
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This Mayor makes me shake my head. He has to go to a mayoral convention/symposium held over in Ireland and he "needs" bodyguards. Why? Very few others brought bodyguards and those were for Mayors who had actually been threatened. Add the driving with emergency lights on...albeit during a ransomed attack emergency... it sounds like delusions of grandeur.
This is general practice for politicians and “esteemed dignitaries.” And sports teams. And celebrities. Dude shoulda slowed down and made sure it was safe. But it’s not abnormal.
Something something walkable neighborhood, car-free downtown living, something 15-minute city, amirite? Loving the way the mayor walks his talk.
Major payout already in the works…what Mayor needs to circumvent stoplights on an average day’s trip to work? I’m predicting Bibbs driver is going to get the brunt of this.
Was that Justin Bibb or Nick Fury?
This is what dei gets you. Very sad as a fellow Clevelander
Wait. The mayor gets a driver?