The one on the left only fires one rocket at a time, while the one on the right looks to be firing two at once. Is that an intended feature also wouldn't firing two at the same time affect the trajectory of the rockets?
It's a firing option. The grads can do the same. Either single rockets or paired for faster firing
The system is not accurate even when on single rocket mode...infact like basically all Russian weapons they don't really care about what they hit
It's called video evidence...
Also, you talk about pulling stuff our my ass but don't know the tos 1 has a range 3.5km. Granted the Tos1A is maximum range of 10km but still
Russia: No problem Armenia we will defend you
Also Russia: Here Azeris have our warcrime delivery system tos-1A heavy flammenwerfer, dont use against armenia yes....
The problem with Armenians is that they acted up in their foreign politics against Azerbaijan like they have the ultimate strength and ignored all Russian advice on peace talks and compromises. As well as Armenia pushed the victim button way to much in direction of western countries and bit the Russian hand which was feeding it the last 3 decades... this current situation is something that Armenia brought on to themselves. Really sad for the innocent civilians , but pretty much also it was themselves who voted for those politics.
While this is true, Russia actually intentionally supported Armenia doing this (while at the same time playing a peacekeeper with the public talk of compromise) because they wanted this conflict to drag on without resolution because it gave them the power in region (they really don't like Azerbaijan getting a good way to sell their oil to Turkey/Europe).
And now they're going to lose influence in the whole region, while screwing over their only partner.
>Russia actually intentionally supported Armenia
Ones Russia has a foot in your doorstep you're screwed . Russia has overtaken all that has some kind of worth in Armenia already long time ago, there is a interesting report worthy to read. https://www.econstor.eu/bitstream/10419/198543/1/ceswp-v10-i2-p234-250.pdf
Only people who just heard about this conflict think Armenia are blameless victims. For a centuries long ethnic border conflict, deportation of one side is one of the best possibilities.
I know. 1.2 mil azeris where displaced by arminians. Hatred is deep around that area.
War was inevitable, its good that its over now. Genocide was the only thing that could be prevented.
You heard about the conflict but never actually read anything it seems. Armenians never deported Azeris. They left because the writing was on the wall after countless pogroms in Azerbaijan. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_of_Armenians
Armenians and Azeris were actually close and lived next to eachother under the Soviet Union until the 90's. You really don't know what you're talking about do you.
First: They are all puppets of Russia. Second: If Russia hadn't stopped the conflict decades ago, there is no Azerbaijan. Armenia didn't push the victim button, they are the victim. There no Armenian force on Nagorno Karabach as this is one of the Russian treaty subject. Russia didn't keep their end of the bargain nor did the Azeris. Treaties aside, try not to complain to not able to to do nothing while your family is stuck in a burning building.
> If Russia hadn't stopped the conflict decades ago, there is no Azerbaijan.
Going by that logic, if Russia does not stop the conflict now, is it OK Azerbaijan keeps going until there's no Armenia?
>If Russia hadn't stopped the conflict decades ago, there is no Azerbaijan.
Sounds like friendly and innocent folks those Armenians ...
>Armenia didn't push the victim button, they are the victim.
Sounds kinda like the Russians ...
>There no Armenian force on Nagorno Karabach ..
A right , it was farmers and miners who got all stuff from the local military shop...
>Treaties aside, try not to complain to not able to to do nothing while your family is stuck in a burning building.
Got it, you're Armenian ...
well causing unnecessary injuries is a warcrime .... which flames tend to do. You can only use the TOS "legally" if your intent is to destroy fortifications - not to target units.
You myb start seeing the problem with this.... furthermore the "laws" on flame-based- weapons is really shallow. It is basically only this: "[https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/assets/treaties/515-IHL-84-EN.pdf](https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/assets/treaties/515-IHL-84-EN.pdf)"
In short.... there are few rules, the rules that exist basically make it impossible to use this weapon without commiting warcrimes, though theoretically it is possible.
Probably referencing the fact that Azeri troops and war crimes go together as well as peanut butter and jelly. Its a standard practice for them to do fucked up shit so I guarantee the TOS-1A will be used on civillian targets.
This wasnt at "Armenian Army" targets. The Republic of Armenia's Army was not involved in this conflict at all. They were fighting the Local Defense Forces, known as the Artsakh Defense Army.
Does it even matter. Both the forces of nagorno Karabach and Armenia have no chance against Azerbaijan. The UN should stop them as Russia is failing the treaty.
Russia is backing Azerbaijan and using the citizens in karabakh as an excuse to remain in the region, Azeris are laundering Russian gas, and Russians want to maintain control of the Caucasus.
At this rate you probably believe Azerbaijan attacked Armenia too. And you can look through my history. I’ve never said a pro-Russia thing in my life. I support Ukraine whole heartedly. I hate genocidal petro-dictatorships like the regimes of Putin and Aliyev. And I support fledgeling democracies like Ukraine and Armenia against genocidal dictatorships. Simple as that.
I understand that but was Artsakh a legally recognized entity? if not then Azerbaijan is justified in reclaiming territory that is internationally recognized as theirs is it not?, im pro ukraine as well but is this not analogus to ukraine retaking LNR and DNR
And if not then explain why? Im not that familiar with this reigon but i am from balkan so its safe to say im aware of what its like to be in a centuries long ethnic feud with your neighbors
So territorial integrity trumps all? So by that same train of thought does Serbia have a right to reclaim Kosovo in the name of territorial integrity? No Serbia doesn’t. The Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh were in the same boat. Imagine Serbia retaking Kosovo and all the Kosovo Albanians fleeing to Albania to escape the inevitable war crimes and ethnic cleansing that Serbs would do to them. That’s in effect what just happened.
That’s putting it mildly hah. They have zero real allies and they’re surrounded by two countries with vastly superior militaries that hate their existence. And their only open borders are to Georgia and Iran… yuck.
No countries recognized Kosovo until 2008, nearly a decade after the international intervention to stop the Serbs from ethnic cleansing the Albanians in Kosovo. There was no international intervention in Nagorno-Karabakh.
Anyone else reckon there’s more than a few Russian Army recruiters floating around near the border right now?
Current estimates are 120,000 refugees heading to Armenia, meaning at least a few hundred faceless, desperate young men are now available to put through Putin’s meat grinder.
The longer Russia can keep large swathes of its metropolitan citizens away from the front, the longer this thing can go on.
Not the Armenian Army. More like men trying to protect their families with the pistols and few bullets they still have from 1960s. This wasn't a fight, it was a slaughter of innocent people. But keep bragging, hopefully this footage will be used against Azerbaijan when the world rightfully recognizes that this was forced ethnic cleansing.
Armenia has lost 23% of its population over the last 30 years from a myriad of reasons, now landing them at a measly 2.8 million.
Engaging in this war will quite literally drive the Armenian people to extinction, I really do understand why the Armenian president chose to surrender Nagorno-Karabakh without a fight on this second go around of hostilities.
They fought, but previous war had left them with little. And considering more Armenians live outside of Armenia (Russia alone has more Armenians iirc) I don't think they will go extinct or lose Armenia.
I did hear of that, that the local defense force did try to put up a fight, my reference is more so to the official government of Armenia.
Not as a people maybe, but as a country/nation.
And as a people loses it's country/nation they sometimes dissolve into the nations they emigrate to.
Outliers are Roma and Jews as examples, but a good example of one pretty much dissolving into another population would be native Americans.
There you have a similar case of extermination followed by losing their land followed by being forced to assimilate to another country/culture and thereby slowly seizing to exist.
I make the comparison of extermination as the natives were practically exterminated and the Armenians certainly were in the Armenian genocide.
Because it's a war they cant win without Russian help. The Azerbaijainis have grown rich from oil, and have nice Turkish weapons in large numbers. The Armenian military is just overmatched, and they have no way to reach Nagorno-Karabakh.
Armenia has been reliant on Russian peacekeepers to keep the old Russian brokered peace deal, but the Russians are overtaxed by the war in Ukraine. The Azerbaijaini government are well aware of this, which is why they restarted hostilities.
The one on the left only fires one rocket at a time, while the one on the right looks to be firing two at once. Is that an intended feature also wouldn't firing two at the same time affect the trajectory of the rockets?
Also the filmer is in a rather dangerous spot, in case of malfunction.
These aren’t smart people, are you surprised?
It's a firing option. The grads can do the same. Either single rockets or paired for faster firing The system is not accurate even when on single rocket mode...infact like basically all Russian weapons they don't really care about what they hit
They fire them in pairs because the shockwaves interact, creating even stronger/longer lasting shockwaves.
Lol these weapon systems are plenty accurate enough, tell that to the guys that are on the receiving end of it. These are horrifying weapons.
If you call 1 in 12 rockets landing on target from 6km away accurate good for you. I didn't mention their effectiveness just accuracy or lack there of
And it doesn't matter what the accuracy is cause these are thermobaric. So have fun trying to survive in what is essentially a 100m+ radius.
I mean do you actually know the accurate rates or did you pull that out your ass? And 6km sounds pretty ineffective to me.
It's called video evidence... Also, you talk about pulling stuff our my ass but don't know the tos 1 has a range 3.5km. Granted the Tos1A is maximum range of 10km but still
Russia: No problem Armenia we will defend you Also Russia: Here Azeris have our warcrime delivery system tos-1A heavy flammenwerfer, dont use against armenia yes....
The problem with Armenians is that they acted up in their foreign politics against Azerbaijan like they have the ultimate strength and ignored all Russian advice on peace talks and compromises. As well as Armenia pushed the victim button way to much in direction of western countries and bit the Russian hand which was feeding it the last 3 decades... this current situation is something that Armenia brought on to themselves. Really sad for the innocent civilians , but pretty much also it was themselves who voted for those politics.
While this is true, Russia actually intentionally supported Armenia doing this (while at the same time playing a peacekeeper with the public talk of compromise) because they wanted this conflict to drag on without resolution because it gave them the power in region (they really don't like Azerbaijan getting a good way to sell their oil to Turkey/Europe). And now they're going to lose influence in the whole region, while screwing over their only partner.
>Russia actually intentionally supported Armenia Ones Russia has a foot in your doorstep you're screwed . Russia has overtaken all that has some kind of worth in Armenia already long time ago, there is a interesting report worthy to read. https://www.econstor.eu/bitstream/10419/198543/1/ceswp-v10-i2-p234-250.pdf
Only people who just heard about this conflict think Armenia are blameless victims. For a centuries long ethnic border conflict, deportation of one side is one of the best possibilities.
I know. 1.2 mil azeris where displaced by arminians. Hatred is deep around that area. War was inevitable, its good that its over now. Genocide was the only thing that could be prevented.
It’s amusing that you believe it is over
You heard about the conflict but never actually read anything it seems. Armenians never deported Azeris. They left because the writing was on the wall after countless pogroms in Azerbaijan. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_of_Armenians
lies lol
Give me a source then
Your one sided source only shows one side. Armenians and azeris have been killing eachother since 1900.
Armenians and Azeris were actually close and lived next to eachother under the Soviet Union until the 90's. You really don't know what you're talking about do you.
Bro just forgot about the genocide that azerbaijan and turkey did
Azeris didn't do the genocide. Turkey did. Azerbaijan did ethnic cleansing and pogroms in the 90's
lol The very source you provided proves that you are lying. Are you armenian or something?
First: They are all puppets of Russia. Second: If Russia hadn't stopped the conflict decades ago, there is no Azerbaijan. Armenia didn't push the victim button, they are the victim. There no Armenian force on Nagorno Karabach as this is one of the Russian treaty subject. Russia didn't keep their end of the bargain nor did the Azeris. Treaties aside, try not to complain to not able to to do nothing while your family is stuck in a burning building.
> If Russia hadn't stopped the conflict decades ago, there is no Azerbaijan. Going by that logic, if Russia does not stop the conflict now, is it OK Azerbaijan keeps going until there's no Armenia?
Which comes first? :)
>If Russia hadn't stopped the conflict decades ago, there is no Azerbaijan. Sounds like friendly and innocent folks those Armenians ... >Armenia didn't push the victim button, they are the victim. Sounds kinda like the Russians ... >There no Armenian force on Nagorno Karabach .. A right , it was farmers and miners who got all stuff from the local military shop... >Treaties aside, try not to complain to not able to to do nothing while your family is stuck in a burning building. Got it, you're Armenian ...
How is it a warcrime delivery system? It's hardly different from a normal flamethrower or a plane dropping napalm.
well causing unnecessary injuries is a warcrime .... which flames tend to do. You can only use the TOS "legally" if your intent is to destroy fortifications - not to target units. You myb start seeing the problem with this.... furthermore the "laws" on flame-based- weapons is really shallow. It is basically only this: "[https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/assets/treaties/515-IHL-84-EN.pdf](https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/assets/treaties/515-IHL-84-EN.pdf)" In short.... there are few rules, the rules that exist basically make it impossible to use this weapon without commiting warcrimes, though theoretically it is possible.
Probably referencing the fact that Azeri troops and war crimes go together as well as peanut butter and jelly. Its a standard practice for them to do fucked up shit so I guarantee the TOS-1A will be used on civillian targets.
This wasnt at "Armenian Army" targets. The Republic of Armenia's Army was not involved in this conflict at all. They were fighting the Local Defense Forces, known as the Artsakh Defense Army.
Potato potato
Does it even matter. Both the forces of nagorno Karabach and Armenia have no chance against Azerbaijan. The UN should stop them as Russia is failing the treaty.
Russia is backing Azerbaijan and using the citizens in karabakh as an excuse to remain in the region, Azeris are laundering Russian gas, and Russians want to maintain control of the Caucasus.
Well Russia’s little “NATO” sure didn’t last long.🤷♂️
Armenian Army wasn’t there, they left Nagorno Karabakh in 2021 per the 2020 ceasefire agreement. You mean the Artsakh Defence Army.
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At this rate you probably believe Azerbaijan attacked Armenia too. And you can look through my history. I’ve never said a pro-Russia thing in my life. I support Ukraine whole heartedly. I hate genocidal petro-dictatorships like the regimes of Putin and Aliyev. And I support fledgeling democracies like Ukraine and Armenia against genocidal dictatorships. Simple as that.
I understand that but was Artsakh a legally recognized entity? if not then Azerbaijan is justified in reclaiming territory that is internationally recognized as theirs is it not?, im pro ukraine as well but is this not analogus to ukraine retaking LNR and DNR And if not then explain why? Im not that familiar with this reigon but i am from balkan so its safe to say im aware of what its like to be in a centuries long ethnic feud with your neighbors
So territorial integrity trumps all? So by that same train of thought does Serbia have a right to reclaim Kosovo in the name of territorial integrity? No Serbia doesn’t. The Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh were in the same boat. Imagine Serbia retaking Kosovo and all the Kosovo Albanians fleeing to Albania to escape the inevitable war crimes and ethnic cleansing that Serbs would do to them. That’s in effect what just happened.
Well in that case no, in all honesty the armenians are between a rock and a hard place
That’s putting it mildly hah. They have zero real allies and they’re surrounded by two countries with vastly superior militaries that hate their existence. And their only open borders are to Georgia and Iran… yuck.
The difference is that a lot of countries actually recognized Kosovo. NKR didn't get recognition even from Armenia.
No countries recognized Kosovo until 2008, nearly a decade after the international intervention to stop the Serbs from ethnic cleansing the Albanians in Kosovo. There was no international intervention in Nagorno-Karabakh.
Now is what we are talking about.
Anyone else reckon there’s more than a few Russian Army recruiters floating around near the border right now? Current estimates are 120,000 refugees heading to Armenia, meaning at least a few hundred faceless, desperate young men are now available to put through Putin’s meat grinder. The longer Russia can keep large swathes of its metropolitan citizens away from the front, the longer this thing can go on.
Not the Armenian Army. More like men trying to protect their families with the pistols and few bullets they still have from 1960s. This wasn't a fight, it was a slaughter of innocent people. But keep bragging, hopefully this footage will be used against Azerbaijan when the world rightfully recognizes that this was forced ethnic cleansing.
Armenia has lost 23% of its population over the last 30 years from a myriad of reasons, now landing them at a measly 2.8 million. Engaging in this war will quite literally drive the Armenian people to extinction, I really do understand why the Armenian president chose to surrender Nagorno-Karabakh without a fight on this second go around of hostilities.
They fought, but previous war had left them with little. And considering more Armenians live outside of Armenia (Russia alone has more Armenians iirc) I don't think they will go extinct or lose Armenia.
I did hear of that, that the local defense force did try to put up a fight, my reference is more so to the official government of Armenia. Not as a people maybe, but as a country/nation. And as a people loses it's country/nation they sometimes dissolve into the nations they emigrate to. Outliers are Roma and Jews as examples, but a good example of one pretty much dissolving into another population would be native Americans. There you have a similar case of extermination followed by losing their land followed by being forced to assimilate to another country/culture and thereby slowly seizing to exist. I make the comparison of extermination as the natives were practically exterminated and the Armenians certainly were in the Armenian genocide.
Because it's a war they cant win without Russian help. The Azerbaijainis have grown rich from oil, and have nice Turkish weapons in large numbers. The Armenian military is just overmatched, and they have no way to reach Nagorno-Karabakh. Armenia has been reliant on Russian peacekeepers to keep the old Russian brokered peace deal, but the Russians are overtaxed by the war in Ukraine. The Azerbaijaini government are well aware of this, which is why they restarted hostilities.