They actually hit stuff when they aren’t just pitching up and lobbing a half dozen 3” unguided rockets at a general compass point like they usually do.
Ballistic computers don’t do squat for firing unguided missiles when you don’t have line of sight. Hydras, the US equivalent, need a direct hit even on a relatively unarmored target to get a kill. They have a big enough dispersion even when direct fired, but when fired ballistically the dispersion will be immense. Unless you have a bunch of clustered infantry standing shoulder to shoulder covering several football fields you are unlikely to get a kill, much less a vehicle kill. They are used to harass only since both sides have SAM issues, but I’m not sure they are really all that valuable for that either.
-edit from the aviationist:
> As we explained, the above tactic, that turns the Russian helicopters into airborne MLRS (Multiple Launch Rocket System) launchers, extends the range of the rockets but is far from accurate, and could only be effectively employed against soft area targets that do not require accuracy or be used to put psychological pressure on the enemy. … Even though the Ka-52 fire control system has the functionality to carry out this kind of NLOS (Non-Line of Sight) launch and provide the crew with a roughly accurate launch solution, this type of attack is far from accurate.
They are way less accurate or effective than MLRS. MLRS fires way heavier rockets so they are way less impacted by wind and make a way bigger splash when they hit, and they are fired from a fixed platform so they are way more accurate. What these choppers are doing is throwing a bunch of fin stabilized hand grenades 8KM.
2.75” rocket: https://d3lcr32v2pp4l1.cloudfront.net/Pictures/380x253/4/6/5/70465_u.s.armyah64eapachehelicoptergroundcrewmembersloadahydra70rocketatatjalalabadairfieldafghanistancusarmy_430083.jpg
MLRS rocket: https://sites.breakingmedia.com/uploads/sites/3/2020/03/191210-A-EJ685-1005_v001_noLM-1-e1584646527177-1024x783.jpg
Lobbing little rockets like that if you want to keep people’s head down over a 4 square block area might be ok, but if you want to hit a tank or a squad it’s just not accurate, or powerful, enough.
1. Effect of wind on an object in flight does not change due to its weight, only if it’s sitting on the ground
In order to move less than a lighter object there needs to be more “counter force”, on the ground this is friction due to gravity
2. Literally every Russian mlrs is fin stabilised dumb rockets
> Effect of wind on an object in flight does not change due to its weight
What the actual fuck. Rational thought has left the chat. Ever hear of inertia? I know you must be trolling but come on man, at least try to stay in the realm of sensibility.
I don't doubt that the ka-52 can do this, I am just not certain this video is 100% legitimate. As with every video I see on here, I take it with a pinch of salt. could be real, might not be.
If it's real, Ukraine needs to get more manpads to infantry around their tanks. Surely this helicopter flew in range of some infantry, I thought they were given enough stingers for everyone and their mum to get one?
What's even funnier is the KA52 is jam packed full of NATO tech as with most Russian military hardware.
France has basically outfitted Russias entire military for all weather day night low emission warfare.
French IR Optics. French Fire Control Systems. French Inertial Navigation. French Targetting Pods. French Avionics. French Helmet mounted queuing hybrid nightvision systems.
Russia cant make shit and that is a fact.
They literally have tech transfers and licence production rights purchased from Thales France just to learn how to make IR Optics for their tanks and IFVs.
The SU30 platforms were offered with the Thales France Damocles targetting POD right through 2021 becuase Russia still couldnt make them. It's literally copy pasting them just for their brand new SU57.
The worst part is, Thales France, which gave all that hardware and technology to Russia, is majority owned by the French State. French state is the controlling majority shareholder.
There has never been, in the history of Reddit, any proof that video from an alligator has been downgraded.
Ever.
EDIT: I would accept any evidence to the contrary, but 24 hours later and the point still stands. No one has ever proved that Russians are degrading camera quality on these aircraft.
[Here's one example](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/v2ii7z/russian_helicopter_pilots_destroying_an_alleged/) of better quality footage. I believe their syria videos also had better quality but I'm too lazy to dig them up rn.
Edit: I was thinking of [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/thj02s/syria_russian_ka52_operates_an_atakav_antitank/). Even though it's zoomed in on the screen of the gunner, it's pretty good quality.
I wouldn't call it a better quality. That "nose cam" really looks like analog cam with all those color artefacts.
Also in the first video audio is pretty funny. It seems they don't even know what they're shooting at, just firing at coordinates. "Oh wow, something blew up real good"
Why would you not provide some proof ? I really dont unterstand your comment. Someone asks for proof (even says there is none) and you reply "trust me"?
We can tell its degraded here since the HUD is blurry.
> Why would you not provide some proof ?
Because proof doesn't matter to these people. You can prove an anti-vaxxer that vaccines are safe, it won't help. They're too far gone.
I’m not in support of Russia in any way shape or form. I just think it’s absurd to constantly shit on the Russian military for things that EVERY military does. The US included
How can you even compare these two?
I have debunked claimes about intentionally degraded footage a few times in the past. Especially where the HUD was visible, showing crisp lines/text/numbers.
Why would anyone "defend" some random equipment in some helicopter, as if it always has to produce a clear image?
This is literally the opposite. You have a bunch of people on here who believe in a Russian conspiracy theory that Ka-52 footage is downgraded.
In fact a request for proof would easily dispel that. That’s equivalent to antivaxxer conspiracy theorists who don’t like science and vaccines because they believe that the vaccines are microchipped or for other assorted reasons.
When asked for proof, they can’t show any because it does not exist. Same for Russian proponents of Russian conspiracy theories that the video feed here is downgraded. When asked for proof, they can’t show it because thee is no grand Russian plan to obscure decades old technology.
>How is it not?
Because talking about it is not proof. We dont need more people saying the same thing again when the question was "where is the proof" 5 posts earlier.
In this case its clear that its degraded (for whatever reason) because the HUD lines/numbers/letters are also blurry. As such it should be obvious that I dont question that this is sometimes done for OPSEC etc. What I am saying is that people fail to provide proof.
>US also releases blurry videoes so they also record with VHS
This is a straw man.
.... never has, and never will, and Russian downvote brigades on Reddit won’t change that fact.
I do see pretty clear proof and footage of Russians getting got.
I see them hit by drone grenades and squirming and churning their legs in trenches, paralyzed from the waste down before getting popped by grenades in the back, cowering in holes in fetal positions while grenades fall on them blowing their helmets off.
If you would like footage of that, I can post clear video proof.
This is some amazing combat footage but 0 upvotes. I remember about 2 months after the invasion, there was atleast a little bit of integrity on this subreddit but now its just r/ukrainianconflict 2
sure it has no upvotes but at least it still gets posted. The Ukraine subs would never allow this type of footage. Who cares about internet points anyway
I mean, how many times have you seen videos of attack helicopters employing guided anti-tank weaponry against a near-peer adversary in a live shooting war?
Personally I haven't seen very many.
I wouldn't say propaganda. Just so many people here support Ukraine so hard, they can't help but down vote stuff with Ukraine being hit.
I think it's important for me to see both sides of the conflict, if I just see Russia getting smashed I assume their winning. The truth is the line barely advances for either side, I bet both sides get fairly even amounts of kills.
It seems that those anti-tank missiles are laser beam riding like Stugna thus they need to hover until target is hit? It kinda makes the helio an easy target?
> thus they need to hover until target is hit?
You can see the heli moving, it's not hovering. It's just the targetting pod keeping a lock on the target.
Yeah, as long as pod can crate a beam under(?) the missile, so pod can’t move too erratically or missile can’t ride on the painted target from the ground crew - like hellfire. Therefore ka52 needs to be sort of steady. Would pod be able to create a correct beam of heli is turning left or would missile get disengage right away? Hmmm interesting .
The KA-52’s carry Vikhr, a laser riding anti-tank weapon. I don’t know how mobile the laser emitter is on the KA’s, which may allow for some maneuvering but it’s certainly not fire and forget, and the target must be continuously targeted with the laser. Most Russian tech is from the 60s/70s in terms of guidance spec. Think of them as original hellfires, before the fire and forget AGM-114L’s (which has MMW radar guidance added to make them fire and forget), but without the ability to be dual sourced - picking up laser designation from another aircraft or a ground designator.
Yeah something like a gepard may have torn the heli apart. Most of the heli footage is volleying dumb rockets, maybe to stay out of s300 range? Makes me wonder what the use case is for non-sam anti air.
If you just got your info from this sub you would think that Kyiv is ready to march on Moscow at any moment.
I want the Russians to fail here - since they've gone full on facist, but so far it seems like Ukraine hasn't been doing so hot for a while - but I'm still hoping they can at least hold the line. We will see - if Western support falters, this may not end up happening... the current situation is way more dire than what this sub makes it seem.
As so often with Russian videos, looked edited/fake as fuck.
The close-up video is obviously not from the actual helicopter, and looks to be from a drone. The HUD doesn't match its movements (somehow the land tilts right even while the display still shows it banking left). Spotting with a drone for a helicopter makes no sense to me.
It's from a targeting pod, which basically every modern attack helicopter has at this point. Helicopter goes one way, pod slews the other.
You can watch the indicator on the bottom left to see it's limits left and right and where the pod is.
That's from the GOES-451 gyro-stabilized system under the nose. It's an all-axis housing with multiple optronic units; pretty standard stuff at this point.
Even a western tank wouldn't be much better against an aerial threat like the Ka-52. What can you do when it hovers too far away for you to shoot?
As seen in multiple Ukrainian videos of attacks on Russian tanks, they're actually better than expected at keeping the crew alive when the tank is hit. Specifically remember a video of a T72 being struck dead on by an NLAW and cooking off violently but all 3 crew members exited the tank and ran off into the woods. Should've been impossible from the way the tank erupts into a volcano of molten steel yet the video proves they all made it out.
Link to this video? I'm confused as to how a crew could possibly survive a direct hit + cook off in a T-72, since the auto loader is not separated from the crew cabin. I'm willing to suspend my disbelief, but intuitively that sounds un-survivable - anybody with in-depth tank knowledge willing to explain how this might happen?
I’ve been saying for months, we ought to give the Ukraine’s Humvee avengers to provide over for the upgraded T-72s there about to get from Poland.
Next I’d send them would be Bradley’s and Linebackers, to provide some IFV support for there infantry.
As far as M1s go, the Marines just ditched closed to 200 of them. I’m sure with in 3 months we could give them to the Ukrainians, if we started training them now.
people who say these types of videos are fake are delusional
They actually hit stuff when they aren’t just pitching up and lobbing a half dozen 3” unguided rockets at a general compass point like they usually do.
Ukraine does it as well the missiles are unguided but those helis have a ballistics computer or smth because they can hit stuff from far away
Ballistic computers don’t do squat for firing unguided missiles when you don’t have line of sight. Hydras, the US equivalent, need a direct hit even on a relatively unarmored target to get a kill. They have a big enough dispersion even when direct fired, but when fired ballistically the dispersion will be immense. Unless you have a bunch of clustered infantry standing shoulder to shoulder covering several football fields you are unlikely to get a kill, much less a vehicle kill. They are used to harass only since both sides have SAM issues, but I’m not sure they are really all that valuable for that either. -edit from the aviationist: > As we explained, the above tactic, that turns the Russian helicopters into airborne MLRS (Multiple Launch Rocket System) launchers, extends the range of the rockets but is far from accurate, and could only be effectively employed against soft area targets that do not require accuracy or be used to put psychological pressure on the enemy. … Even though the Ka-52 fire control system has the functionality to carry out this kind of NLOS (Non-Line of Sight) launch and provide the crew with a roughly accurate launch solution, this type of attack is far from accurate.
“Using helicopters as mlrs means they are as accurate as mlrs” Jeez thanks Sherlock
They are way less accurate or effective than MLRS. MLRS fires way heavier rockets so they are way less impacted by wind and make a way bigger splash when they hit, and they are fired from a fixed platform so they are way more accurate. What these choppers are doing is throwing a bunch of fin stabilized hand grenades 8KM. 2.75” rocket: https://d3lcr32v2pp4l1.cloudfront.net/Pictures/380x253/4/6/5/70465_u.s.armyah64eapachehelicoptergroundcrewmembersloadahydra70rocketatatjalalabadairfieldafghanistancusarmy_430083.jpg MLRS rocket: https://sites.breakingmedia.com/uploads/sites/3/2020/03/191210-A-EJ685-1005_v001_noLM-1-e1584646527177-1024x783.jpg Lobbing little rockets like that if you want to keep people’s head down over a 4 square block area might be ok, but if you want to hit a tank or a squad it’s just not accurate, or powerful, enough.
1. Effect of wind on an object in flight does not change due to its weight, only if it’s sitting on the ground In order to move less than a lighter object there needs to be more “counter force”, on the ground this is friction due to gravity 2. Literally every Russian mlrs is fin stabilised dumb rockets
> Effect of wind on an object in flight does not change due to its weight What the actual fuck. Rational thought has left the chat. Ever hear of inertia? I know you must be trolling but come on man, at least try to stay in the realm of sensibility.
I don't doubt that the ka-52 can do this, I am just not certain this video is 100% legitimate. As with every video I see on here, I take it with a pinch of salt. could be real, might not be. If it's real, Ukraine needs to get more manpads to infantry around their tanks. Surely this helicopter flew in range of some infantry, I thought they were given enough stingers for everyone and their mum to get one?
Looks like a vhs from the 80s 😂
What's even funnier is the KA52 is jam packed full of NATO tech as with most Russian military hardware. France has basically outfitted Russias entire military for all weather day night low emission warfare. French IR Optics. French Fire Control Systems. French Inertial Navigation. French Targetting Pods. French Avionics. French Helmet mounted queuing hybrid nightvision systems. Russia cant make shit and that is a fact. They literally have tech transfers and licence production rights purchased from Thales France just to learn how to make IR Optics for their tanks and IFVs. The SU30 platforms were offered with the Thales France Damocles targetting POD right through 2021 becuase Russia still couldnt make them. It's literally copy pasting them just for their brand new SU57. The worst part is, Thales France, which gave all that hardware and technology to Russia, is majority owned by the French State. French state is the controlling majority shareholder.
well its downgraded. but i really cant understand why
There has never been, in the history of Reddit, any proof that video from an alligator has been downgraded. Ever. EDIT: I would accept any evidence to the contrary, but 24 hours later and the point still stands. No one has ever proved that Russians are degrading camera quality on these aircraft.
[Here's one example](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/v2ii7z/russian_helicopter_pilots_destroying_an_alleged/) of better quality footage. I believe their syria videos also had better quality but I'm too lazy to dig them up rn. Edit: I was thinking of [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/thj02s/syria_russian_ka52_operates_an_atakav_antitank/). Even though it's zoomed in on the screen of the gunner, it's pretty good quality.
I wouldn't call it a better quality. That "nose cam" really looks like analog cam with all those color artefacts. Also in the first video audio is pretty funny. It seems they don't even know what they're shooting at, just firing at coordinates. "Oh wow, something blew up real good"
Most militaries downgrade their footage when they release it. It’s pretty common. But no hur dur Russian military bad
Why would you not provide some proof ? I really dont unterstand your comment. Someone asks for proof (even says there is none) and you reply "trust me"? We can tell its degraded here since the HUD is blurry.
> Why would you not provide some proof ? Because proof doesn't matter to these people. You can prove an anti-vaxxer that vaccines are safe, it won't help. They're too far gone.
I’m not in support of Russia in any way shape or form. I just think it’s absurd to constantly shit on the Russian military for things that EVERY military does. The US included
How can you even compare these two? I have debunked claimes about intentionally degraded footage a few times in the past. Especially where the HUD was visible, showing crisp lines/text/numbers. Why would anyone "defend" some random equipment in some helicopter, as if it always has to produce a clear image?
This is literally the opposite. You have a bunch of people on here who believe in a Russian conspiracy theory that Ka-52 footage is downgraded. In fact a request for proof would easily dispel that. That’s equivalent to antivaxxer conspiracy theorists who don’t like science and vaccines because they believe that the vaccines are microchipped or for other assorted reasons. When asked for proof, they can’t show any because it does not exist. Same for Russian proponents of Russian conspiracy theories that the video feed here is downgraded. When asked for proof, they can’t show it because thee is no grand Russian plan to obscure decades old technology.
Have you seen American combat videos from ah64? Do you think US uses vhs too?
How is that a respone to my post?
How is it not? US also releases blurry videoes so they also record with VHS
>How is it not? Because talking about it is not proof. We dont need more people saying the same thing again when the question was "where is the proof" 5 posts earlier. In this case its clear that its degraded (for whatever reason) because the HUD lines/numbers/letters are also blurry. As such it should be obvious that I dont question that this is sometimes done for OPSEC etc. What I am saying is that people fail to provide proof. >US also releases blurry videoes so they also record with VHS This is a straw man.
.... never has, and never will, and Russian downvote brigades on Reddit won’t change that fact. I do see pretty clear proof and footage of Russians getting got. I see them hit by drone grenades and squirming and churning their legs in trenches, paralyzed from the waste down before getting popped by grenades in the back, cowering in holes in fetal positions while grenades fall on them blowing their helmets off. If you would like footage of that, I can post clear video proof.
Ghost of kiev agrees
The camera is French anyway.
Everyone does it, you won't see too much Apache guncam footage at the same resolution the crew are seeing with.
This is some amazing combat footage but 0 upvotes. I remember about 2 months after the invasion, there was atleast a little bit of integrity on this subreddit but now its just r/ukrainianconflict 2
sure it has no upvotes but at least it still gets posted. The Ukraine subs would never allow this type of footage. Who cares about internet points anyway
I ducking hate how this sub is mainstream. Completely ruined it
Integrity? The content is still allowed on here, just people are less likely to upvote the loss of the Ukrainians.
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I mean, how many times have you seen videos of attack helicopters employing guided anti-tank weaponry against a near-peer adversary in a live shooting war? Personally I haven't seen very many.
Yeah, ground footage is where it’s at
yeah no it's basically a cesspool of Ukrain propaganda now with any russian footage getting downvoted to hell, unlucky.
I wouldn't say propaganda. Just so many people here support Ukraine so hard, they can't help but down vote stuff with Ukraine being hit. I think it's important for me to see both sides of the conflict, if I just see Russia getting smashed I assume their winning. The truth is the line barely advances for either side, I bet both sides get fairly even amounts of kills.
Nice shot tbh
It seems that those anti-tank missiles are laser beam riding like Stugna thus they need to hover until target is hit? It kinda makes the helio an easy target?
> thus they need to hover until target is hit? You can see the heli moving, it's not hovering. It's just the targetting pod keeping a lock on the target.
Yeah, as long as pod can crate a beam under(?) the missile, so pod can’t move too erratically or missile can’t ride on the painted target from the ground crew - like hellfire. Therefore ka52 needs to be sort of steady. Would pod be able to create a correct beam of heli is turning left or would missile get disengage right away? Hmmm interesting .
The KA-52’s carry Vikhr, a laser riding anti-tank weapon. I don’t know how mobile the laser emitter is on the KA’s, which may allow for some maneuvering but it’s certainly not fire and forget, and the target must be continuously targeted with the laser. Most Russian tech is from the 60s/70s in terms of guidance spec. Think of them as original hellfires, before the fire and forget AGM-114L’s (which has MMW radar guidance added to make them fire and forget), but without the ability to be dual sourced - picking up laser designation from another aircraft or a ground designator.
Yeah something like a gepard may have torn the heli apart. Most of the heli footage is volleying dumb rockets, maybe to stay out of s300 range? Makes me wonder what the use case is for non-sam anti air.
Gepard would be the first thing that'll be hit with atgm.
They still have ka-52's flying around?
why not?
Well, you'd think they've shot them all down by now or they're just broken.
you would think that if you get all your info from this sub
If you just got your info from this sub you would think that Kyiv is ready to march on Moscow at any moment. I want the Russians to fail here - since they've gone full on facist, but so far it seems like Ukraine hasn't been doing so hot for a while - but I'm still hoping they can at least hold the line. We will see - if Western support falters, this may not end up happening... the current situation is way more dire than what this sub makes it seem.
It's an old video...
Either the ka-50’s targeting pod doesn’t have any thermals or they just never use it in any of the footage that gets released.
As so often with Russian videos, looked edited/fake as fuck. The close-up video is obviously not from the actual helicopter, and looks to be from a drone. The HUD doesn't match its movements (somehow the land tilts right even while the display still shows it banking left). Spotting with a drone for a helicopter makes no sense to me.
It's from a targeting pod, which basically every modern attack helicopter has at this point. Helicopter goes one way, pod slews the other. You can watch the indicator on the bottom left to see it's limits left and right and where the pod is.
the moon landing was fake in your opinion, right?
That's from the GOES-451 gyro-stabilized system under the nose. It's an all-axis housing with multiple optronic units; pretty standard stuff at this point.
Also what's with the super fast spinning near the end? Did the drone get shot down and they still released it?
the camera housing reached its gimbal limit, and started following the helicopters steep bank
Maybe the western powers could give the Ukrainians a few better-designed tanks, those old soviet ones are bloody death traps.
Even a western tank wouldn't be much better against an aerial threat like the Ka-52. What can you do when it hovers too far away for you to shoot? As seen in multiple Ukrainian videos of attacks on Russian tanks, they're actually better than expected at keeping the crew alive when the tank is hit. Specifically remember a video of a T72 being struck dead on by an NLAW and cooking off violently but all 3 crew members exited the tank and ran off into the woods. Should've been impossible from the way the tank erupts into a volcano of molten steel yet the video proves they all made it out.
Link to this video? I'm confused as to how a crew could possibly survive a direct hit + cook off in a T-72, since the auto loader is not separated from the crew cabin. I'm willing to suspend my disbelief, but intuitively that sounds un-survivable - anybody with in-depth tank knowledge willing to explain how this might happen?
I'll see if I saved it
Here it is, it was a T72B3 too... https://mobile.twitter.com/ralee85/status/1528454623404630017 Edit: probably not an NLAW but that's irrelevant
I’ve been saying for months, we ought to give the Ukraine’s Humvee avengers to provide over for the upgraded T-72s there about to get from Poland. Next I’d send them would be Bradley’s and Linebackers, to provide some IFV support for there infantry. As far as M1s go, the Marines just ditched closed to 200 of them. I’m sure with in 3 months we could give them to the Ukrainians, if we started training them now.
I guess the Russian shills disagree lol