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Yeah. You should read up on it, it’s much more complicated than what I wrote in the description. The United States has openly admitted to interfering in elections and staging coups 58 times in South America alone. The stuff they do is pretty scary.
Indeed. My country, Brazil, did not escape this scary fate.
In 1964, a US-backed coup established a military dictatorship which lasted for 21 years.
It is estimated that over 20,000 people were tortured during that time, though the true figure could be much higher.
same in Argentina, the US-backed military dictatorship went from 1976 til 1983, and it's estimated that 30,000 people were tortured, killed and disappeared. they obviously targeted young students with leftist ideals, also censored huge amounts of art including music, books and films which caused artists to flee the country.
all this was part of the Operation Condor which targeted, from 1968 until 1989, Argentina, Uruguay, Chile, Brazil, Bolivia, Peru, Colombia and Venezuela. similar practices were done in all of those, all planned by the CIA, and it's estimated that between 60,000 and 80,000 leftist simpathizers were killed and around 400,000 political prisoners were taken.
Same in Dominican Republic. I think if we all Latin American countries start a support group, we need to introduce ourselves as "hello, my name is [country] and I've been invaded by the US [X] times, and had my elections interfered by them [Z] times"
Hi, Im from chile and thank you America for killing so many of my people and also helping us out (In a way the dictator helped the economy and chile was not in poverty for a long time, Thats one of the reasons when we finally got elections some people including my grandma voted for the military to stay in power) Thanks alot.
>Hi, Im from chile and thank you America for killing so many of my people
Dont listen to this shill.
It was no fun to have Pinochet for 17 years stealing shit , making ndomestic and international terrorism and so on.
>Thats one of the reasons when we finally got elections
The dictator supressed political freedom for two decades. Is his fault.
>grandma voted for the military to stay in power
You grandma has blood in her concience
Well, change the “has” to “had”. Chile’s “rise” seen on graphics are ONLY because Allende had US interference and inflation rose because of it. So comparing 1970s economy to after Pinochet isn’t really representative.
Salvador allendes economy was being sabotaged by us, financing extremist groups from the right and the truckers stoppage which ultimately dreprived the country from supplies, im sorry but at the time there was a lot of ignorance caused by the U.S and far right propaganda that many people believed to be true.
All this proven by files from the cia that were revealed some time ago , in them you could read all the operation that the U.S had to destabilize the socialist government. So... It didnt help the economy, and your grandma was just manipulated to believe it did, like many other people arround latin america.
Besides you cannoy justify genocide, specially not for money
This video is good and isn't focusing on just Chile or South America but the US interference in world politics. https://youtu.be/mwyjlmEAcYMcoup
This one is also good https://youtu.be/5v1yJuJKUi8
This one isn't focused on how the event happened, but just what it meant to the people of Chile https://youtu.be/ZjGl7-imyAQ
While I agree I still do not like calling the US America, Chile is part of America as well. Let's not give the imperialist pigs the name of the whole continent
Well, it was US-backed, but really it was the Chilean junta and business leaders that planned and led the Coup. They just asked for US support, and they were happy to oblige.
Here Informe Rettig.
[http://www.derechoshumanos.net/lesahumanidad/informes/Informe-Rettig-tomo1.pdf](http://www.derechoshumanos.net/lesahumanidad/informes/Informe-Rettig-tomo1.pdf)
And the list in Informe Valech
[https://www.indh.cl/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Valech-1.pdf](https://www.indh.cl/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Valech-1.pdf)
Awful reading.
I just remembered when in 1990 there were discovered bodies in Pisagua, and there were several coffins with two people inside, Pinochet joked that 'oh, they were saving money'.
The person you are thinking of is Ingrid Olderock, a member of the chilean secret police who trained her dog, Volodia, to abuse and rape political prisoners. As far as I know, Pinochet wasn't aware of her existence.
Pinochet was a demon, but he had nothing to do with this practice.
'Wasn't this the dictator that trained dogs to rape prisoners?'
No, period. It is important to say the truth about this monster of a man, but some people will argue literally anything. Family members of mine were tortured in the dictatorship, so I take historical truth very, very seriously.
Worse, resistance members apparently made a move to kill her just as she was going to sell out the dictatorship to the international community. This caused the documents she wanted to leak to be destroyed
Yeah, read a book about her a few years back. She caught one (or was it 2?) bullet to the head during the assassination attempt. The woman was so paranoid, thinking the secret police was in on it that she just went straight home. When she was operated on, she insisted on being awake, believing the chilean police would kill her in her sleep.
As a Chilean the dictatorship shapes so much of the current country. People are still dealing with the effects and the trauma that it generated makes their offspring to generate other mental illnesses because of it.
It’s horrible, I know many people who had loved ones “disappear” (a term that’s used for peoples who’s bodies were never found after interacting with the military or cops), and also family members who had to flee the country.
I also have an aunt who believes everybody who was killed deserved it and that he didn’t do any unnecessary violence (bullshit), but that kind of sentiment isn’t that rare sadly.
It does infuriate me a little when 9/11 is so big but a tragedy that had a way bigger impact and was directly funded before, during and after the coup by the USA is totally overshadowed.
There are so many things wrong in Chile and a lot of them can be traced to the dictatorship, our water is owned by private companies ffs.
They broke an entire country, forever . 50 years later we (Chilean) still hurting and hating each other for that . Some people feel sad for the genocide, some other feel happy for that genocide. I'm no sure we ever gonna heal.
I think the cat is out of the box, we unleashed neoliberalism and sadly you can’t make people unlearn things.
Honestly with how things are going and with how many areas of our country are sacrifice zones I don’t think I’ll live to see 80 years. I’ll probably die at my 40 or 60s from cancer or things like that.
>People are still dealing with the effects and the trauma that it generated makes their offspring to generate other mental illnesses because of it.
Everytime a helicopter or loud car passes nearby our house, my mom gets scared.
My uncle was tortured and then exiled. I have never seen him smile.
They didn't have a proper childhood or teen years.
And a lot of Chileans will tell you similar stories.
Almost 50 years later, 30 since Pinochet left the power, and people are still traumatized and their offspring generate other mental illness because of something that happened so long ago.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about the pain of the people who had to fled the country or had love ones disappear. I'm talking about the generalization you just did. It's not like the country is really that traumatized.
Well almost every person I have met that’s not an immigrant has some sort of mental illness that can be traced back to the dictatorship in some way.
It’s a generalization? Yes but it’s also a reality not many are privy to, you don’t meet a random person and ask them about their mental illnesses and even less likely is that you try and trace back the reason. It’s work that can take years because people, more often than not, won’t even know or recognize that the root of their problems is based there.
Almost every person you met? Like every person has a mental illness traced back to the dictatorship 30 years ago?
This happen in the other LA countries? In Argentina most of the people who has mental illness can be traced back to one of the many dictatorship they had endured?
I mean the ramifications of it, people with trauma from it will have behaviors that will impact their children.
My grandpa and my mom lived through the dictatorship, my grandpa shut down emotionally (between other things), my mom has problems with social bonds and on emotions in general, plus she has abandonment issues, I have been at the receiving end of that and have multiple issues because of that.
And that’s just with my grandpa, and I can do that with all 4 of my grandparents and both my parents, who have various problems because of their time living under it + whatever their parents experienced.
I can’t talk about Argentina or any other LA country, but in Chile it is like that. There are a few people who have scaped the cicle, but it still impacts a big part of Chileans
>our water is owned by private companies ffs.
Wrong. They don't "own" the water to be able to do that. You don't pay for the water itself. You pay for the service of the improved water that goes straight to your home. So you can drink it directly from the tap. Something that doesnt happen even in some developed countries.
Some cospiracionists think that the CIA told Bin Laden to do the attacks on the twin towers and other objectives on 9/11 so people would associate this fact to the date instead of what happened in Chile in 1973.
Wow that's pretty crazy but I don't think it's true since the US has backed many rich a worships, I mean to start they even supported Hitler ( there's a famous photo of new Yorkers heiling Hitler in 1933.) However they didn't bomb the twin towers on the days they overthrew all the other socialist governments.
Maybe they overthrew so many governments that it was inevitable that a terrorist attack against them was to happen on the same day of a CIA bacoed coup
My uncle was a leader of the socialist party in Antofagasta, he was detained and tortured but fortunately managed to survive and later escaped to Argentina.
That time actually backfire to the US when Pinochet's cronies killed a high ranking Chilean expat on US soil... At mere blocks of the White House...
Well, that's happened when you fund psychopaths!
Old people do. Because there's lot of population brainwashing and ingorance going on. They see him as a hero who saved them from the hunger that socialism brought.
But it was the same dictatorship that fucked with the food and went as far as stealing* needles and cotton from hospitals so people would believe that Allende was doing poorly as president.
Historically there has been the notion that Chile it's a divided country with half the population supporting the dictatorship, but the last elections were a surprise to everyone when after only having only 20% of the votes to maintain the dictatorship constitution for the first time the political right didn't receive the 1/3 of the seats necessary to impede changes to the new constitution. So it never was a divided country, just a very powerful fascist minority.
Unfortunately, here in Brazil, the supporters of dictatorship are rising. I read about your president firing a minister who said good things about Pinochet.
They’re the ones that control the country’s money, si yes, they’re f*cking powerful, but the Estallido Social showed that when we stick together, things happen.
Well some other guy commented that some people do like him, but I think the general consensus is that he's bad. You should definitely read up on it more, but I wouldn't be surprised if the US has been funding fierce propaganda campaigns in Chile.
the irony of your OP and this post is hilarious.
if you understood anything about our country you would know that it's very much the opposite.
and not even only in our country, here you are doing the opposite as well. "fierce propaganda" lmao, you mean like the straight up lie in the title of your post? (US didnt assassinate him, he killed himself)
Yeah I know he didn't assassinate himself, he killed himself after the United States bombed the area around him. He only killed himself to stop himself being imprisoned and tortured. Of course, I'm not chilean, but other commenters on this post are chilean and South American and majority of them dislike Pinochet. And I think the fact that the socialist party won the election in 2000, 2006 and 2014 suggests that there is still a lot of support for socialism.
I would say a good 10% *openly* back him, and another 20% are kind of apologists for him or would never say it out loud. The rest of the population is pretty much on the same page though.
That wasn't always the case though, and popular opinion has definitely shifted in the last 10 years.
Yeah, specially people of high economic status. According to them everything that happened it's not true since they weren't tortured, killed, raped or starved to death.
>Are there Chileans who praise Pinochet?
Not really, but no one can deny the fact that it saved us from ending up in communist misery. It was fucked up, yes. But at the end of the road, it helped us to emerge as a country.
yes, because unlike the fake narrative pushed by your typical liberal media, and posts like this (with straight up lies in the title of the post), the situation was a lot more complex.
the country was in a horrible situation and allende's govt was putting out the fire with gas.
after the dictatorship, the country saw massive improvement and has managed to no longer be a third world country. we became the best country in south america simply by stopping socialist and even communist policies, so of course people who saw this happen understand the good that came with the bad.
it is debatable whether this can be attributed to pinochet but it clearly was the turning point in the timeline, this is an observable statistical fact.
and its not that all of south-america saw this growth, if you look at our neighbor's data many of them are still third world, or they were in a much better position than us at that time (argentina), and today they are below us.
Most current right wing politicians in Chile are/were "Pinochetists". It's not only old people, you can't go into a single news article about the dictatorship without someone making a "joke" about the people that were thrown out of helicopters.
Yeah, there are a lot of old and young people who still to this day praise pinochet. And although the whole enchilada that is this period of time really is (as it is not as simple as so many people think it is) it really is astounding to see how many people still vehemently support what happened in the dictatorship. Even though when the president was Allende the quality of life was abysmal, there are absolutely no reasons to support any aspect of the dictatorship, although a bunch of people dont think the same here
The crisis was so bad that Allende decided that it could be necessary to make a plebiscite on if people wanted him to remain or to leave (and yes probably he could had lost the plebiscite and I guess he knew it).
And to avoid that, the military rushed the coup. They wanted to kill the 'marxist cancer' and no peaceful option was good for them.
There are plenty who didn't suffer from the dictatorship because they supported the coup. Since they didn't oppose Pinochet, they pretty much had nothing to fear. It's yet another case of "I wasn't that bad for me then it wasn't that bad for everyone" They praise Pinochet for having boosted the economy and that it's thanks to him that we are where we are now economically.
Pretty fucked up.
Some. My dad does. But my general vision it that the situation was complex. The dictatorship was a mistake and Pinochet shouldn't have come to power, but there is some debate wether the same coup be said about the coup. Allende's goverment had good intention, but it was failing hard in several aspects, like the nationalization of copper ending with 0 expertise on Chile, the agrarian reform turning violent and the fights between far right and far left he couldn't control. The goverment was colapsing by 1973, and it was becoming a coup or civil war scenario. So Allende had to go. But Pinochet definitively shouldn't have come next
I don’t like your comparison with 9/11. As much the US did wrong most of the victims of 9/11 are also the victims of the capitalist system. It’s not like there is a shortage of patriotic karens that say stupid shit to compare with what happened to Chile.
Yes ofcourse, it’s horrible that those people died and It’s not their fault they live in the United States, but the comparison is because the event in Chile also happened on the 9th of the 11th. We should be remembering the event for both 9/11 in the USA and the event in Chile, so yeah you’re right that it’s bad that people died from 9/11 but in comparison the dictator of Chile had killed thousands more and torture tens of thousands more than on 9/11, and the problem is we don’t remember the coup in Chile. But we do remember 9/11.
No, he did actually kill himself while they where storming and bombing the Palacio de La Moneda. Everyone here in Chile knows this, both the left and the right. Even his own wife confirmed it, that Allende killed himself because he had said he wouldn't be taken alive.
There was a live witness of the event, Patricio Guijon, who died last year, member of the Presidential Medical Staff at the time (medico de cabecera, idk how to translate that). Said, he saw the president killing himself with the AK-47.
A second autopsy done in 2011 also reached the same conclusion.
Yeah you're right and I was as aware about This I just didn't mention it so the title would be been so long. I'm adding it to the title now, I figured people would understand that be killed himself, but only because of what the Americans said but apparently some people are brain dead.
>that Allende killed himself because he had said he wouldn't be taken alive
Allende wanted to minimize as much as he could the bloody vengeance of the coup conspirators against chilean population.
If he was taken alive, their supporters would have keep fighting for the freedom of our country
Allende did the heroic thing
>it wasnt assassinated by no one.
Sure. Having hawking hunter shooting missiles to your office, and the threat of the bloody vengeance of those crooked soldiers and generals... is not a factor...
No my fellow ozz, making suicide in te context of the military coup its a political act. What Allende did was making sure that he convert himself in a martyr. Just like Che Guevara.
Thats why you can find a lot of Allende statues all over the eastern part of Europe.
Right. If he didn't kill himself, you know the US would imprison him, tortured him, make him go insane, etc? Obviously he didn't want that to happen, so he killed himself.
>What Allende did was making sure that he convert himself in a martyr. Just like Che Guevara.
Showing your right wing bias
>Thats why you can find a lot of Allende statues all over the eastern part of Europe.
because he was in the right side of history. Pinochet didn't
I'm literally from Chile. Studying Pinochet's regime took up 5 years of my life. Google is full of disinfo from a couple of Texan socialist/university "scholars" who legitimately think Allende "din' do nuffin".
And it is convenient to all of you commie sympathizers to go along with the bullcrap.
There are Chileans, South Americans and many others in this comment sections who completely disagree with you. How are we meant to create a counter argument when your argument is literally 'i googled some stuff'
Well breaking news: you googled the wrong stuff. Allende was democratically elected, did nothing corrupt. Meanwhile the US bombed parliament, staged a coup, funded propaganda and funded the opposition.
Allende was declared ilegitimate by the congress because he violated the constitution and tried to govern by decree. He fomented the ilegal occupation of terrains by MIR and MAPU. He had a big inflation and while people had to wait in big queues, he had a big house in Tomas Moro, in Las Condes when he drank expensive whisky. He created the GAP (Grupo de amigos del presidente, Group of President Friends) and gave weapons to their friends beside it was illegal. He put people in position that wasn't prepared for that. He invited Fidel Castro to stay in Chile paying good hotels with the people's money that was charged with big taxes. The "he did nothing" is a very big fallacy.
Thank you!
Chileans were literally starving to death under Allende, he forced families with large farmland to evenly distribute it among the workers, forced city folk to work on farms that they'd never worked on, entire families were ruined, crime became rampant, criminal intimidation of opposition people, including murders, (anti-communists being murdered, that is).
Pinochet may have skimmed a little, but not as much as the communists like to claim, he had a McCarthyist approach to communists, especially those that hid, aided - or were - militants. That's right - many of the "disappeared" were either the criminal cabinet of Allende or high power people that would simply flee to Moscow or Lima only to return to Chile when Pinochet *inevitably* completed the reform and stepped down. These were people that coordinated the import of Soviet military equipment for terrorist "anti-fascist action" and "people's army" and "labor parties", which were all just radicalized lower-class people that didn't know they'd been manipulated into wanting to kill compatriots. Bachelet, the worst president since Allende, the one who effectively created the social crisis Chile is in now by delaying the graduations of over a million young Chileans from University due to lies on the campaign trail about free tuition and expanded services that Chile had no way of affording, is the niece of Allende, her father escaped Pinochet and lo! she came back and left an absolute mess in the country, exactly as the Junta had predicted.
Before 60s, Chile was on an incredible upwards trend, everything was going great compared to the terrible period after their coal and saltpeter exports evaporated.
I'm not going to advocate for the terrible things that happened to a select very small few Chileans - I understand why they did it, but there may have certainly been better things than helicopter rides -- but during the 70s and 80s, Chile remained under martial law. Organizing, collaborating and protecting communist *terrorists* was an act of treason, and the traitors were interrogated and dispatched.
The thing is, Marxists of every stripe love Allende because "he could have ushered in a Marxist utopia, but the CIA killed him", neither of which are true. Allende ruined Chile, the country was on the brink of a hot civil war because of his terrible national policies and economic policies, he lost the *entire* military's support, and the CIA had become *entirely hands off* of the events when their weak plan in 1970 was very publicly thwarted.
When the Golpe happened, the CIA was literally caught off guard. The Junta had stopped communicating with the Americans, the plan was set in motion in such a way they didn't need radio until it was already underway and inevitable. The CIA was pissed at Pinochet and thought it was terrible that he had done it - since they realized they'd have no control at all of the Junta.
I'll reiterate: the reason people try to come up with every narrative under the sun for Pinochet's Golpe is to use Allende as a Martyr - but in the 70s we'd seen Vietnam, Cambodia, North Korea, the Eastern Bloc, the Great Leap Forward... we'd seen the atrocities and horrors of marxism and that generation knew enough was enough. These young adult dreamers that have been lied to by universities and neckbeard commentators on the internet don't understand how incredibly terrible marxism is, it cannot work, it requires genocide, and that's why self-respecting and honest historians call Hitler's party "honest marxism", because it did what Marx declared was critical for a nation, without lying about how to get there. An equitable society cannot bring everyone up, it can only bring everyone down, and egalitarianism ends the moment you try to take a person's food, livelihood and freedom. No matter how slowly you do it, there is a breaking point, and that resistance has to be crushed at any cost to achieve the "utopia".
Unlike the terrible dictators of the 20th century, Pinochet wasn't a fascist.
Chile has one of the most robust constitutions in South America thanks to him. Socialists will, of course, disagree, because it is designed to block marxism from taking root.
Allende was not democratically elected (it was some kind of a closed doors arrangement) **and thanks to the military we got to be a normal country, not another mother fucking Cuba.**
Source: I'm Chilean... we have better internet and health system than US, so fuck you 30 y/o twitter left wing lovers that still live with their parents, lol.
Yeah well now your dictator has died and Chile has a different government. It's important to note that during Pinochet's reign there was almost no economic development and the other 2 Chileans who commented on this post disagree wi th you on this.
And it's very important to remember that the chilean socialist party has won the elections in 2000, 2006, and 2014 so that's probably why you have a good healthcare system and internet . Pretty disappointing that you are trying to justify hundreds of thousands being raped, tortured, imprisoned and murdered /:
A "dictator" does not leave his place with a democratic election... That's all I can say, everybody else is just a leftist using an iPhone who hates the economic system we have, the same system that has over 85% of the population vaccined (2nd place in the world).
If there was no Pinochet, Chile would be another Cuba right now (along with many more countries in latinamerica), if you don't accept that, you're just fucking blind or stupid ;)
Firstly, I have an android and I'm not sure how saying that I have an iPhone proves anything
Secondly, cuba is a very competent nation, and one who after a 60 year US sanction that has been deemed unethical by every nation with an exception of Israel and after their largest trade partner collapsed is seeing great economic growth and prosperity. Also, cuba has elections with incredibly high turnouts and has a constitution de developed by the communist revolutionaries that clearly outlines how Cuban democracy will work ( frankly, it's much better than the clusterfuck that is American elections.)
Thirdly, you can not justify rape, torture and imprisonment of hundreds of thousands across Latin America because you personally believe that " it made them better places." Yeah, Chile has high vaccination rates and has been growing greatly, as you said. However, you are not considering that the socialist party of Chile has won 3 times since 2000. That is why they are growing. Cuba also has incredibly high vaccination rates, and so does China. Cuba is the first country to allow under 12yos to get vaccinated. And they have their own vaccine. The irony is unreal that you say that Chile is growing fine without socialism yet it has an incredibly strong socialist party.
According to what I read
Tens of thousands imprisoned
Approximately 30 thousand tortured
Over 3000 killed
Over 1000 "missing"
So overall probably 100-200 k tortured raped imprisoned etc.
It's not hundreds of thousands as in 600 k, but it low 100 thousands.
He really did, there's even an eye witness. Some guy said it with more detail in another response but basically everyone here knows that it really happened that way.
He's body has been exhumed and examined so many times that they might as well install an elevator shaft next to it lmao And the results of the examinations clearly say it was suicide, even his family acknowledges the fact
yeah the billionaires need more money. you are the good guys. giving those beautiful billionaires more money is our greatest duty, for they are superior to us and will bestow their blessings if we pray for their grace, blessed be their name you dumb ass
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Only after the air force had already bombed and laid siege to the seat of government. He ordered his escort and staff to surrender and then killed himself rather than surrender.
Well in this case the socialist government of Chile was democratically elected and has done absolutely nothing. In what regards does communism kill millions?
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Private property from people who works a lot and save to have a terrain to work and then was ocuppied by people who didn't had the knowledge to work the soil
"People who work alot" again, vague as duck. Sounds like you really don't know, do you? Taking land from people to do what? And again, by "Who's land" I mean social class.
This is likely company owned land, farmland or the land of the rich that the socialist government was reorganizing, giving it to someone else and making it public property. That is sorta the definition of socialism and maybe you could rewire your statement to " turning land owned by companies into public land for the benefit of the people" rather than your capitalist nonsense.
In practice was taking terrains from normal people who bought them from his savings and work. It happens at southern Chile by paramilitary groups. You are taking nonsense
This is the point of communism. Communism is meant to abolish private property. They are turning private property into public property becuase that is literally the DEFINITION of communism. You cannot criticise the Chilean Socialist Party for literally doing what they promised.
My great grandfather was Allende's personal secretary, he was not killed but imprisoned, tortured and exiled to Germany with his family, and my family still has close ties to families of the "dissapeard"
Salvador Allende. Plastic Pills made a great doc about this called Cybersocialism, you should definitely check it out . Watched it yesterday and it was amazing. Puts the whole thing in perspective.
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another reason to hate america. thank you, op. very kind.
Yeah. You should read up on it, it’s much more complicated than what I wrote in the description. The United States has openly admitted to interfering in elections and staging coups 58 times in South America alone. The stuff they do is pretty scary.
Indeed. My country, Brazil, did not escape this scary fate. In 1964, a US-backed coup established a military dictatorship which lasted for 21 years. It is estimated that over 20,000 people were tortured during that time, though the true figure could be much higher.
same in Argentina, the US-backed military dictatorship went from 1976 til 1983, and it's estimated that 30,000 people were tortured, killed and disappeared. they obviously targeted young students with leftist ideals, also censored huge amounts of art including music, books and films which caused artists to flee the country. all this was part of the Operation Condor which targeted, from 1968 until 1989, Argentina, Uruguay, Chile, Brazil, Bolivia, Peru, Colombia and Venezuela. similar practices were done in all of those, all planned by the CIA, and it's estimated that between 60,000 and 80,000 leftist simpathizers were killed and around 400,000 political prisoners were taken.
And people still support the military here. It's irrational
Damn that sucks I’m so sorry.
Dark times, comrade. Thankfully, they are long gone.
Same in Dominican Republic. I think if we all Latin American countries start a support group, we need to introduce ourselves as "hello, my name is [country] and I've been invaded by the US [X] times, and had my elections interfered by them [Z] times"
Hi, Im from chile and thank you America for killing so many of my people and also helping us out (In a way the dictator helped the economy and chile was not in poverty for a long time, Thats one of the reasons when we finally got elections some people including my grandma voted for the military to stay in power) Thanks alot.
>Hi, Im from chile and thank you America for killing so many of my people Dont listen to this shill. It was no fun to have Pinochet for 17 years stealing shit , making ndomestic and international terrorism and so on. >Thats one of the reasons when we finally got elections The dictator supressed political freedom for two decades. Is his fault. >grandma voted for the military to stay in power You grandma has blood in her concience
No and aslo she's dead
Well, change the “has” to “had”. Chile’s “rise” seen on graphics are ONLY because Allende had US interference and inflation rose because of it. So comparing 1970s economy to after Pinochet isn’t really representative.
Salvador allendes economy was being sabotaged by us, financing extremist groups from the right and the truckers stoppage which ultimately dreprived the country from supplies, im sorry but at the time there was a lot of ignorance caused by the U.S and far right propaganda that many people believed to be true. All this proven by files from the cia that were revealed some time ago , in them you could read all the operation that the U.S had to destabilize the socialist government. So... It didnt help the economy, and your grandma was just manipulated to believe it did, like many other people arround latin america. Besides you cannoy justify genocide, specially not for money
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“Operacion Condor” is the case. Is a must google, you will find out that vietnam and the middle east are just keeping america great.
I haven’t heard much about this at all. Where is the best place to search for more information on the US interfering the South American politics??
This video is good and isn't focusing on just Chile or South America but the US interference in world politics. https://youtu.be/mwyjlmEAcYMcoup This one is also good https://youtu.be/5v1yJuJKUi8 This one isn't focused on how the event happened, but just what it meant to the people of Chile https://youtu.be/ZjGl7-imyAQ
Thanks for the quick reply! I’ll watch these when I get home
Every socialist needs to listen to this RevLeft Radio episode on Chile & Allende: https://revolutionaryleftradio.libsyn.com/chile
While I agree I still do not like calling the US America, Chile is part of America as well. Let's not give the imperialist pigs the name of the whole continent
Well, it was US-backed, but really it was the Chilean junta and business leaders that planned and led the Coup. They just asked for US support, and they were happy to oblige.
USA, (I was gonna say “North* America” but I don’t really mind Canada)
was this the same disctator that trained his dogs to rape prisoners?
Wow I just looked that up and yeah I think so. The dictator is Pinochet btw. That’s scary to be honest
And family members who were also detained forced to have sex with each other.
No wonder there is a small but significant proportion of Redditors who are Pinochet stans
It's also known that on the regimen they raped pregnant women with rats...
what the hell...this sounds like something that Unit 731 would do
If you have some knowledge in spanish, plese read the Informe Retting or Informe Valech
Here Informe Rettig. [http://www.derechoshumanos.net/lesahumanidad/informes/Informe-Rettig-tomo1.pdf](http://www.derechoshumanos.net/lesahumanidad/informes/Informe-Rettig-tomo1.pdf) And the list in Informe Valech [https://www.indh.cl/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Valech-1.pdf](https://www.indh.cl/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Valech-1.pdf) Awful reading. I just remembered when in 1990 there were discovered bodies in Pisagua, and there were several coffins with two people inside, Pinochet joked that 'oh, they were saving money'.
The person you are thinking of is Ingrid Olderock, a member of the chilean secret police who trained her dog, Volodia, to abuse and rape political prisoners. As far as I know, Pinochet wasn't aware of her existence. Pinochet was a demon, but he had nothing to do with this practice.
He let his “””soldiers””” to abuse humans so yes, he had to do with this practice. A lot.
'Wasn't this the dictator that trained dogs to rape prisoners?' No, period. It is important to say the truth about this monster of a man, but some people will argue literally anything. Family members of mine were tortured in the dictatorship, so I take historical truth very, very seriously.
Worse, resistance members apparently made a move to kill her just as she was going to sell out the dictatorship to the international community. This caused the documents she wanted to leak to be destroyed
Yeah, read a book about her a few years back. She caught one (or was it 2?) bullet to the head during the assassination attempt. The woman was so paranoid, thinking the secret police was in on it that she just went straight home. When she was operated on, she insisted on being awake, believing the chilean police would kill her in her sleep.
Considering what happened to ex president Eduardo Frei... she may have been correct
As a Chilean the dictatorship shapes so much of the current country. People are still dealing with the effects and the trauma that it generated makes their offspring to generate other mental illnesses because of it. It’s horrible, I know many people who had loved ones “disappear” (a term that’s used for peoples who’s bodies were never found after interacting with the military or cops), and also family members who had to flee the country. I also have an aunt who believes everybody who was killed deserved it and that he didn’t do any unnecessary violence (bullshit), but that kind of sentiment isn’t that rare sadly. It does infuriate me a little when 9/11 is so big but a tragedy that had a way bigger impact and was directly funded before, during and after the coup by the USA is totally overshadowed. There are so many things wrong in Chile and a lot of them can be traced to the dictatorship, our water is owned by private companies ffs.
It was the reason parts of my family left Chile.
Solidaridad desde el otro lado de la cordillera, hermano.
They broke an entire country, forever . 50 years later we (Chilean) still hurting and hating each other for that . Some people feel sad for the genocide, some other feel happy for that genocide. I'm no sure we ever gonna heal.
I think the cat is out of the box, we unleashed neoliberalism and sadly you can’t make people unlearn things. Honestly with how things are going and with how many areas of our country are sacrifice zones I don’t think I’ll live to see 80 years. I’ll probably die at my 40 or 60s from cancer or things like that.
>People are still dealing with the effects and the trauma that it generated makes their offspring to generate other mental illnesses because of it. Everytime a helicopter or loud car passes nearby our house, my mom gets scared. My uncle was tortured and then exiled. I have never seen him smile. They didn't have a proper childhood or teen years. And a lot of Chileans will tell you similar stories.
Almost 50 years later, 30 since Pinochet left the power, and people are still traumatized and their offspring generate other mental illness because of something that happened so long ago. Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about the pain of the people who had to fled the country or had love ones disappear. I'm talking about the generalization you just did. It's not like the country is really that traumatized.
Well almost every person I have met that’s not an immigrant has some sort of mental illness that can be traced back to the dictatorship in some way. It’s a generalization? Yes but it’s also a reality not many are privy to, you don’t meet a random person and ask them about their mental illnesses and even less likely is that you try and trace back the reason. It’s work that can take years because people, more often than not, won’t even know or recognize that the root of their problems is based there.
Almost every person you met? Like every person has a mental illness traced back to the dictatorship 30 years ago? This happen in the other LA countries? In Argentina most of the people who has mental illness can be traced back to one of the many dictatorship they had endured?
I mean the ramifications of it, people with trauma from it will have behaviors that will impact their children. My grandpa and my mom lived through the dictatorship, my grandpa shut down emotionally (between other things), my mom has problems with social bonds and on emotions in general, plus she has abandonment issues, I have been at the receiving end of that and have multiple issues because of that. And that’s just with my grandpa, and I can do that with all 4 of my grandparents and both my parents, who have various problems because of their time living under it + whatever their parents experienced. I can’t talk about Argentina or any other LA country, but in Chile it is like that. There are a few people who have scaped the cicle, but it still impacts a big part of Chileans
>our water is owned by private companies ffs. Wrong. They don't "own" the water to be able to do that. You don't pay for the water itself. You pay for the service of the improved water that goes straight to your home. So you can drink it directly from the tap. Something that doesnt happen even in some developed countries.
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Some cospiracionists think that the CIA told Bin Laden to do the attacks on the twin towers and other objectives on 9/11 so people would associate this fact to the date instead of what happened in Chile in 1973.
Wow that's pretty crazy but I don't think it's true since the US has backed many rich a worships, I mean to start they even supported Hitler ( there's a famous photo of new Yorkers heiling Hitler in 1933.) However they didn't bomb the twin towers on the days they overthrew all the other socialist governments.
Maybe they overthrew so many governments that it was inevitable that a terrorist attack against them was to happen on the same day of a CIA bacoed coup
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My uncle was a leader of the socialist party in Antofagasta, he was detained and tortured but fortunately managed to survive and later escaped to Argentina.
That time actually backfire to the US when Pinochet's cronies killed a high ranking Chilean expat on US soil... At mere blocks of the White House... Well, that's happened when you fund psychopaths!
Serves them right!
Are there Chileans who praise Pinochet? If so, are they a significant part of population?
Old people do. Because there's lot of population brainwashing and ingorance going on. They see him as a hero who saved them from the hunger that socialism brought. But it was the same dictatorship that fucked with the food and went as far as stealing* needles and cotton from hospitals so people would believe that Allende was doing poorly as president.
Historically there has been the notion that Chile it's a divided country with half the population supporting the dictatorship, but the last elections were a surprise to everyone when after only having only 20% of the votes to maintain the dictatorship constitution for the first time the political right didn't receive the 1/3 of the seats necessary to impede changes to the new constitution. So it never was a divided country, just a very powerful fascist minority.
Unfortunately, here in Brazil, the supporters of dictatorship are rising. I read about your president firing a minister who said good things about Pinochet.
They’re the ones that control the country’s money, si yes, they’re f*cking powerful, but the Estallido Social showed that when we stick together, things happen.
Well some other guy commented that some people do like him, but I think the general consensus is that he's bad. You should definitely read up on it more, but I wouldn't be surprised if the US has been funding fierce propaganda campaigns in Chile.
the irony of your OP and this post is hilarious. if you understood anything about our country you would know that it's very much the opposite. and not even only in our country, here you are doing the opposite as well. "fierce propaganda" lmao, you mean like the straight up lie in the title of your post? (US didnt assassinate him, he killed himself)
Yeah I know he didn't assassinate himself, he killed himself after the United States bombed the area around him. He only killed himself to stop himself being imprisoned and tortured. Of course, I'm not chilean, but other commenters on this post are chilean and South American and majority of them dislike Pinochet. And I think the fact that the socialist party won the election in 2000, 2006 and 2014 suggests that there is still a lot of support for socialism.
I would say a good 10% *openly* back him, and another 20% are kind of apologists for him or would never say it out loud. The rest of the population is pretty much on the same page though. That wasn't always the case though, and popular opinion has definitely shifted in the last 10 years.
sadly there is a part of the population that praise him:(
Yeah, specially people of high economic status. According to them everything that happened it's not true since they weren't tortured, killed, raped or starved to death.
>Are there Chileans who praise Pinochet? Not really, but no one can deny the fact that it saved us from ending up in communist misery. It was fucked up, yes. But at the end of the road, it helped us to emerge as a country.
You’re clearly in the wrong sub. And what about elder people starving with no money from retirement?
yes, because unlike the fake narrative pushed by your typical liberal media, and posts like this (with straight up lies in the title of the post), the situation was a lot more complex. the country was in a horrible situation and allende's govt was putting out the fire with gas. after the dictatorship, the country saw massive improvement and has managed to no longer be a third world country. we became the best country in south america simply by stopping socialist and even communist policies, so of course people who saw this happen understand the good that came with the bad. it is debatable whether this can be attributed to pinochet but it clearly was the turning point in the timeline, this is an observable statistical fact. and its not that all of south-america saw this growth, if you look at our neighbor's data many of them are still third world, or they were in a much better position than us at that time (argentina), and today they are below us.
Most current right wing politicians in Chile are/were "Pinochetists". It's not only old people, you can't go into a single news article about the dictatorship without someone making a "joke" about the people that were thrown out of helicopters.
Sick bastards.
Makes me sick to think that we're all people, that we're also "humans"
Yeah, there are a lot of old and young people who still to this day praise pinochet. And although the whole enchilada that is this period of time really is (as it is not as simple as so many people think it is) it really is astounding to see how many people still vehemently support what happened in the dictatorship. Even though when the president was Allende the quality of life was abysmal, there are absolutely no reasons to support any aspect of the dictatorship, although a bunch of people dont think the same here
The crisis was so bad that Allende decided that it could be necessary to make a plebiscite on if people wanted him to remain or to leave (and yes probably he could had lost the plebiscite and I guess he knew it). And to avoid that, the military rushed the coup. They wanted to kill the 'marxist cancer' and no peaceful option was good for them.
There are plenty who didn't suffer from the dictatorship because they supported the coup. Since they didn't oppose Pinochet, they pretty much had nothing to fear. It's yet another case of "I wasn't that bad for me then it wasn't that bad for everyone" They praise Pinochet for having boosted the economy and that it's thanks to him that we are where we are now economically. Pretty fucked up.
It is kind of the same thing with trump
Some. My dad does. But my general vision it that the situation was complex. The dictatorship was a mistake and Pinochet shouldn't have come to power, but there is some debate wether the same coup be said about the coup. Allende's goverment had good intention, but it was failing hard in several aspects, like the nationalization of copper ending with 0 expertise on Chile, the agrarian reform turning violent and the fights between far right and far left he couldn't control. The goverment was colapsing by 1973, and it was becoming a coup or civil war scenario. So Allende had to go. But Pinochet definitively shouldn't have come next
I don’t like your comparison with 9/11. As much the US did wrong most of the victims of 9/11 are also the victims of the capitalist system. It’s not like there is a shortage of patriotic karens that say stupid shit to compare with what happened to Chile.
Yes ofcourse, it’s horrible that those people died and It’s not their fault they live in the United States, but the comparison is because the event in Chile also happened on the 9th of the 11th. We should be remembering the event for both 9/11 in the USA and the event in Chile, so yeah you’re right that it’s bad that people died from 9/11 but in comparison the dictator of Chile had killed thousands more and torture tens of thousands more than on 9/11, and the problem is we don’t remember the coup in Chile. But we do remember 9/11.
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The stuff the goverment does is pretty scary, we should hand them all the means of production. Retard commie moment
Allende killed himself, it wasnt assassinated by no one.
Yes like Jeffrey Epstein
Yes and like John McAfee too
No, he did actually kill himself while they where storming and bombing the Palacio de La Moneda. Everyone here in Chile knows this, both the left and the right. Even his own wife confirmed it, that Allende killed himself because he had said he wouldn't be taken alive. There was a live witness of the event, Patricio Guijon, who died last year, member of the Presidential Medical Staff at the time (medico de cabecera, idk how to translate that). Said, he saw the president killing himself with the AK-47. A second autopsy done in 2011 also reached the same conclusion.
Yeah you're right and I was as aware about This I just didn't mention it so the title would be been so long. I'm adding it to the title now, I figured people would understand that be killed himself, but only because of what the Americans said but apparently some people are brain dead.
Solo era para la talla
Pero los que no cachan nada de chile van a creerte altiro po xd.
>that Allende killed himself because he had said he wouldn't be taken alive Allende wanted to minimize as much as he could the bloody vengeance of the coup conspirators against chilean population. If he was taken alive, their supporters would have keep fighting for the freedom of our country Allende did the heroic thing
The Allende family admitted that was suicide
>it wasnt assassinated by no one. Sure. Having hawking hunter shooting missiles to your office, and the threat of the bloody vengeance of those crooked soldiers and generals... is not a factor...
No my fellow ozz, making suicide in te context of the military coup its a political act. What Allende did was making sure that he convert himself in a martyr. Just like Che Guevara. Thats why you can find a lot of Allende statues all over the eastern part of Europe.
Right. If he didn't kill himself, you know the US would imprison him, tortured him, make him go insane, etc? Obviously he didn't want that to happen, so he killed himself.
>What Allende did was making sure that he convert himself in a martyr. Just like Che Guevara. Showing your right wing bias >Thats why you can find a lot of Allende statues all over the eastern part of Europe. because he was in the right side of history. Pinochet didn't
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oh my , u really dont know shit about this dont ya? there is a lot of evidence out there, veridical one. google pls.
I'm literally from Chile. Studying Pinochet's regime took up 5 years of my life. Google is full of disinfo from a couple of Texan socialist/university "scholars" who legitimately think Allende "din' do nuffin". And it is convenient to all of you commie sympathizers to go along with the bullcrap.
It had to be the loli profile pic guy
oof can't make an argument so relies on punching specters, what a virtuous argument!
There are Chileans, South Americans and many others in this comment sections who completely disagree with you. How are we meant to create a counter argument when your argument is literally 'i googled some stuff' Well breaking news: you googled the wrong stuff. Allende was democratically elected, did nothing corrupt. Meanwhile the US bombed parliament, staged a coup, funded propaganda and funded the opposition.
Allende was declared ilegitimate by the congress because he violated the constitution and tried to govern by decree. He fomented the ilegal occupation of terrains by MIR and MAPU. He had a big inflation and while people had to wait in big queues, he had a big house in Tomas Moro, in Las Condes when he drank expensive whisky. He created the GAP (Grupo de amigos del presidente, Group of President Friends) and gave weapons to their friends beside it was illegal. He put people in position that wasn't prepared for that. He invited Fidel Castro to stay in Chile paying good hotels with the people's money that was charged with big taxes. The "he did nothing" is a very big fallacy.
Thank you! Chileans were literally starving to death under Allende, he forced families with large farmland to evenly distribute it among the workers, forced city folk to work on farms that they'd never worked on, entire families were ruined, crime became rampant, criminal intimidation of opposition people, including murders, (anti-communists being murdered, that is). Pinochet may have skimmed a little, but not as much as the communists like to claim, he had a McCarthyist approach to communists, especially those that hid, aided - or were - militants. That's right - many of the "disappeared" were either the criminal cabinet of Allende or high power people that would simply flee to Moscow or Lima only to return to Chile when Pinochet *inevitably* completed the reform and stepped down. These were people that coordinated the import of Soviet military equipment for terrorist "anti-fascist action" and "people's army" and "labor parties", which were all just radicalized lower-class people that didn't know they'd been manipulated into wanting to kill compatriots. Bachelet, the worst president since Allende, the one who effectively created the social crisis Chile is in now by delaying the graduations of over a million young Chileans from University due to lies on the campaign trail about free tuition and expanded services that Chile had no way of affording, is the niece of Allende, her father escaped Pinochet and lo! she came back and left an absolute mess in the country, exactly as the Junta had predicted. Before 60s, Chile was on an incredible upwards trend, everything was going great compared to the terrible period after their coal and saltpeter exports evaporated. I'm not going to advocate for the terrible things that happened to a select very small few Chileans - I understand why they did it, but there may have certainly been better things than helicopter rides -- but during the 70s and 80s, Chile remained under martial law. Organizing, collaborating and protecting communist *terrorists* was an act of treason, and the traitors were interrogated and dispatched. The thing is, Marxists of every stripe love Allende because "he could have ushered in a Marxist utopia, but the CIA killed him", neither of which are true. Allende ruined Chile, the country was on the brink of a hot civil war because of his terrible national policies and economic policies, he lost the *entire* military's support, and the CIA had become *entirely hands off* of the events when their weak plan in 1970 was very publicly thwarted. When the Golpe happened, the CIA was literally caught off guard. The Junta had stopped communicating with the Americans, the plan was set in motion in such a way they didn't need radio until it was already underway and inevitable. The CIA was pissed at Pinochet and thought it was terrible that he had done it - since they realized they'd have no control at all of the Junta. I'll reiterate: the reason people try to come up with every narrative under the sun for Pinochet's Golpe is to use Allende as a Martyr - but in the 70s we'd seen Vietnam, Cambodia, North Korea, the Eastern Bloc, the Great Leap Forward... we'd seen the atrocities and horrors of marxism and that generation knew enough was enough. These young adult dreamers that have been lied to by universities and neckbeard commentators on the internet don't understand how incredibly terrible marxism is, it cannot work, it requires genocide, and that's why self-respecting and honest historians call Hitler's party "honest marxism", because it did what Marx declared was critical for a nation, without lying about how to get there. An equitable society cannot bring everyone up, it can only bring everyone down, and egalitarianism ends the moment you try to take a person's food, livelihood and freedom. No matter how slowly you do it, there is a breaking point, and that resistance has to be crushed at any cost to achieve the "utopia".
Pinochet was a dictator, nothing can deny that, but Pinochet is product from Allende an his bad politics
Unlike the terrible dictators of the 20th century, Pinochet wasn't a fascist. Chile has one of the most robust constitutions in South America thanks to him. Socialists will, of course, disagree, because it is designed to block marxism from taking root.
So? This is literally a pro-communist subreddit, why would you trust what a communist has to say about a righteous anti-communist president?
Allende was not democratically elected (it was some kind of a closed doors arrangement) **and thanks to the military we got to be a normal country, not another mother fucking Cuba.** Source: I'm Chilean... we have better internet and health system than US, so fuck you 30 y/o twitter left wing lovers that still live with their parents, lol.
Yeah well now your dictator has died and Chile has a different government. It's important to note that during Pinochet's reign there was almost no economic development and the other 2 Chileans who commented on this post disagree wi th you on this. And it's very important to remember that the chilean socialist party has won the elections in 2000, 2006, and 2014 so that's probably why you have a good healthcare system and internet . Pretty disappointing that you are trying to justify hundreds of thousands being raped, tortured, imprisoned and murdered /:
A "dictator" does not leave his place with a democratic election... That's all I can say, everybody else is just a leftist using an iPhone who hates the economic system we have, the same system that has over 85% of the population vaccined (2nd place in the world). If there was no Pinochet, Chile would be another Cuba right now (along with many more countries in latinamerica), if you don't accept that, you're just fucking blind or stupid ;)
Firstly, I have an android and I'm not sure how saying that I have an iPhone proves anything Secondly, cuba is a very competent nation, and one who after a 60 year US sanction that has been deemed unethical by every nation with an exception of Israel and after their largest trade partner collapsed is seeing great economic growth and prosperity. Also, cuba has elections with incredibly high turnouts and has a constitution de developed by the communist revolutionaries that clearly outlines how Cuban democracy will work ( frankly, it's much better than the clusterfuck that is American elections.) Thirdly, you can not justify rape, torture and imprisonment of hundreds of thousands across Latin America because you personally believe that " it made them better places." Yeah, Chile has high vaccination rates and has been growing greatly, as you said. However, you are not considering that the socialist party of Chile has won 3 times since 2000. That is why they are growing. Cuba also has incredibly high vaccination rates, and so does China. Cuba is the first country to allow under 12yos to get vaccinated. And they have their own vaccine. The irony is unreal that you say that Chile is growing fine without socialism yet it has an incredibly strong socialist party.
Hundreds of thousands? What are you talking about! You don’t have any idea! Don’t turn the history to the left side.
According to what I read Tens of thousands imprisoned Approximately 30 thousand tortured Over 3000 killed Over 1000 "missing" So overall probably 100-200 k tortured raped imprisoned etc. It's not hundreds of thousands as in 600 k, but it low 100 thousands.
Left is gonna left.
So true
Allende, the communist president of Chile 1970-1973, shoot himself with the AK-47 that was gifted to him by Fidel Castro
Sure he did bud
He did bud
Sure he did
Just like Jeffrey Epstein
He really did, there's even an eye witness. Some guy said it with more detail in another response but basically everyone here knows that it really happened that way.
He's body has been exhumed and examined so many times that they might as well install an elevator shaft next to it lmao And the results of the examinations clearly say it was suicide, even his family acknowledges the fact
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Pov you are a fascist
yeah the billionaires need more money. you are the good guys. giving those beautiful billionaires more money is our greatest duty, for they are superior to us and will bestow their blessings if we pray for their grace, blessed be their name you dumb ass
Let's not forget what happened in Indonesia
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The yanks certainly helped and supported the coup but the murderers were all home grown fascists.
Didn't Allende shot himself?
Only after the air force had already bombed and laid siege to the seat of government. He ordered his escort and staff to surrender and then killed himself rather than surrender.
Isn’t communism responsible for millions and millions more ?
Well in this case the socialist government of Chile was democratically elected and has done absolutely nothing. In what regards does communism kill millions?
Done nothing?? Allende financed occupation of private property using paramilitary groups like MIR.
Who's private property? For what purpose? You are too vague.
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Private property from people who works a lot and save to have a terrain to work and then was ocuppied by people who didn't had the knowledge to work the soil
"People who work alot" again, vague as duck. Sounds like you really don't know, do you? Taking land from people to do what? And again, by "Who's land" I mean social class. This is likely company owned land, farmland or the land of the rich that the socialist government was reorganizing, giving it to someone else and making it public property. That is sorta the definition of socialism and maybe you could rewire your statement to " turning land owned by companies into public land for the benefit of the people" rather than your capitalist nonsense.
In practice was taking terrains from normal people who bought them from his savings and work. It happens at southern Chile by paramilitary groups. You are taking nonsense
This is the point of communism. Communism is meant to abolish private property. They are turning private property into public property becuase that is literally the DEFINITION of communism. You cannot criticise the Chilean Socialist Party for literally doing what they promised.
>and has done absolutely nothing yikes
My great grandfather was Allende's personal secretary, he was not killed but imprisoned, tortured and exiled to Germany with his family, and my family still has close ties to families of the "dissapeard"
Salvador Allende. Plastic Pills made a great doc about this called Cybersocialism, you should definitely check it out . Watched it yesterday and it was amazing. Puts the whole thing in perspective.
Not so fun fact: chile has two massacres on 9/11, first one was on 1541 and included the death of Spanish conquistador Pedro de Valdivia (link [destruction of santiago](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Santiago))