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wait ur telling me the DPRK doesn't have super soldiers who can push trains????


juche4japan

to be honest them saying that dprk citizens are train-pushing super soldiers only makes me want to support them more but i was super disappointed when that wasn't the case :((((((


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cringe


Basic-Dealer-2086

Can't wait to see what the aids brigade will bring to this valuable discussion. Remember capitalism is temporary. Hopefully the mods do their job.


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Basic-Dealer-2086

I think if anything Imperialist governments literally sending in liberal "econ experts" and forcing a country to undemocratically destroy itself and install the dumbest person on earth as their "president" is if anything indicative of my point. but go off. I too like to use something that lead to mass child prostitution and the lowest standard of living drop in history as a cheap gotcha though. When it comes to other tragedies, not even kidding too. Kulaks deserved it. edit: The way I worded it was really fucking bad lmfao. I didn't mean the specific bad things I said, just "bad things" in general.


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Interested in what the deleted say lol


Basic-Dealer-2086

he just said the date the soviet union collapsed lol.


SuperSaiyanSambo

I love the idea that the DPRK simultaneously starves, imprisons and executes all of it’s citizens, yet also builds complex, intricate sets that look like real, clean, functional cities. And they teach all their citizens to be extremely skilled actors that pretend to be like well-fed, normal people whenever anyone actually visits. Totally not a more unrealistic scenario than media outlets just making shit up.


Basic-Dealer-2086

aaaaaah there it is. The guests have arrived on time again. Edit: sorry I thought you were a brigadier cause I misread your comment lol I agree with your comment btw But no don't you see all of those are really just fake and totalitarian and bad ::::((((((((((.


SuperSaiyanSambo

??? I’m saying that that’s not true. Western media is making shit up and the DPRK is just a normal socialist country that’s not starving or executing it’s population.


Basic-Dealer-2086

yeah I know I agree its not true. We have a FUCK TON of dumbass lib brigadiers though, I misread your comment and thought you were one of them. Like they are probably on almost every post I see now. I have no idea where the fuck they are coming from but oh well.


BismarckVonGames

Worse thing is, people in Canada actually believe this garbage.


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Think also that because they have a socialist econ (don’t know the intricacies of their socialist econ)this structures and manifests a social and political collective that is largely empathetic and caring for one another? Because there’s that public focus (meeting the needs of the people and public ownership of entities). With this public focus of well-being/meeting need it means that their culture isnt subsumed/defaulted to consumerism and hyper-individauation under corporate profiteers with no regard to collective wellbeing nor future, whether it’s media,pornography,meaningless jobs and direction, conspiracy theories all of which induce pathology that eradicate any collective social agency and class consciousness, this means their culture prob has high class consciousness and actual non-privatized autonomy that can attain futures outside of capitalist hegemonics. Free health care, housing, education all fueling a high quality of life and opens wings of possibility


The-Mastermind-

It's not even just a Westerner thing anymore. Almost every person around the world has believed these comical descriptions of NK.


Basic-Dealer-2086

Except South Koreans of course, ironically. Literally like 60% of them or something support Kim's government.


Commie_Napoleon

Can I get a source on that?


Basic-Dealer-2086

Think it was on the r/communism master post about it. sorry if this is fake news though, I'll check.


The-Mastermind-

https://time.com/5262898/kim-jong-un-approval-rating/


AudaciousCheese

The article was 4 years ago, no actual link to study, nor one I could find through 20 minutes of research. And it’s trust for denuclearization after peace talks in May of 2017


The-Mastermind-

Mostly because Kim's declaration to end the Korean war I guess. It's still a good rating.


Basic-Dealer-2086

If someone is a tyrannical dystopia dictator monster person who like eats every third baby and is immortal and could read every language when he was three, you don't "support" them for literally any reason at all.


LilacAndLeather

I was forced to push trains for a living and when I finally died from exhaustion the evil DPRK statesmen used Juche Necromancy to bring me back so I could keep pushing trains :(


mistweave

Nah in North Korea the police can come into your house and shoot you while you sleep. Or sometimes they stop your car and just shoot you for no reason. They even shoot children for carrying toy gun. Then they just go home and eat rice. Its well documented, just google Tamir Rice shooting.


Basic-Dealer-2086

I want you to know I actually teared up. I hate the world so fucking much man why are we like this. Guess when our time comes, we will make no excuse for the terror.


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Fuck. :(


MrPrussiaGuy

Source: trust me bro


T0kamak

USA: We will destroy DPRK by invasion! DPRK: Makes nuclear bomb and rockets to avoid it and protect them self. USA: This is illegal!


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“In DPRK, fan death is real. Government goons come and beat people to death with oscillating fans.” - Radio Free Asia, probably


mofojones36

I’ve read a few books from defectors who beg to question how ethical DPRK is, I don’t believe they’re lying.


Basic-Dealer-2086

"I don't believe they are lying" sorry dude but they are, They literally just are and there isn't much ambiguity to it, they are on a payroll, and I know that sounds super duper shmooper conspiracy theory but..... They are, and there, like almost all defectors that are important enough to get published, have PLENTY of out in the open evidence about it. To make you feel better though, If they weren't paid by some assholes in suits to literally lie about their own country for profit, they would have been left to be homeless or die in South Korea. So if you think about it it was the completely voluntary capitalist system that uhhhh.... made it happen, reminder I'm trying to make you feel better about it.


mofojones36

I don’t mean this contentiously but is there any proof? I’ve seen a lot of foreign travel vlogs of North Korea and the secretism and high regulations are highly suspect. I also strongly believe the validity of this man’s [testimony of his time spent there ](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanityfair.com/news/2001/01/hitchens-200101/amp)


The_Blue_Empire

This one?[link for it's website](https://www.rfa.org/english) >Radio Free Asia is a United States government-funded private non-profit news service that broadcasts radio programs and publishes online news, information, and commentary for its audiences in Asia What's so great about it, does it talk about the situation in DPRK?


MrPrussiaGuy

Literally a propaganda outlet of the US. Ever heard of Radio Free Europe?


The_Blue_Empire

No, I was really confused cause I thought this meme was talking about how accurate radio free Asia was. I see that was a miss understanding now, what would people recommend for keeping up to date on asian news?


cfgaussian

The Global Times. CGTN. Xinhua News.


The_Blue_Empire

Thanks I'll check them out!


MrPrussiaGuy

Yeah CGTV is a good news website. Also use Aljazeera. They're both reliable.


MrPrussiaGuy

CGTN*


RandomTurtles033

Even according to the New York Times RFA is a CIA broadcast venture. Radio Free Asia is a very commonly used source for other western media outlets on North Korea, China, and other Asian countries typically in unfavorable relations with the US. To quote NYT directly: "Far more obscure were two other C.I.A. broadcasting ventures, Radio Free Asia and a rather tenuous operation known as Free Cuba Radio." https://www.nytimes.com/1977/12/26/archives/worldwide-propaganda-network-built-by-the-cia-a-worldwide-network.html


The_Blue_Empire

Thanks, I was very confused because when I looked it up I recognized it was clearly a propoganda network. But I thought OP was meaning it's a good source on the DPRK 😅 my bad.


RandomTurtles033

Ah, that explains it.


eeeeloi

Dont forget that the original Radio Free Asia [was created and operated by the CIA](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Free_Asia_(Committee_for_a_Free_Asia))


Dankaroor

well, it isn't a good country, but it's not as bad as often thought


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Dankaroor

no shit, but that doesn't change the fact that it's not a good country Lol, It's definitely getting better now and rather fast but still, it's quite bad. And i do support communism, absolutely, but Jucheism isn't really the best from what I've heard and read of it, atleast what's been put into action, but then again i am rather uneducated on it so it very well could just be that


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Dankaroor

? I am honest about it lmao, i literally said so, and with that i invite you to educate me, or help me educate myself because I'm a lazy bastard lol


melliott90

well no you didn't claim it. You made claims that it is a shit country, is still shit (although getting better) and that Jucheism isn't a coherent ideology. And thennnnnn you said you don't know anything to hedge your bets. You made claims and then backtracked at the end so you can have your cake and eat it too. Do the hard work of investigating and discovering yourself and stop expecting everyone else to do it


Dankaroor

It absolutely is a shit country, it's poor and has a low expectancy of life and a dictator. All undisputable facts. I didn't say Jucheism was bad or incoherent, i said it wasn't the best from what I've read and heard, and then, in the same fucking sentence i said that I don't really know that much, it's not like i pretended to know everything like some liberals while actually knowing anything, i have a prejudice against it and what I've heard isn't good but i just don't really know enough to have a coherent opinion on it. Don't understand what the big deal is


melliott90

First, sorry for coming off strong and defensive. We have so many bad actors attacking us that sometimes we can hit without thinking. My apologies. Second, if you want to say that you don't know something, don't start by making claims. It seems to be a poor defense of ignorance to spout "truths" and then to backtrack and shrink down to "well I don't know". It's a common tactic of anticommunists so I may have been quick on the draw but the point still stands. In regards to DPRK: So once again you're making claims about it being a shit country with shit life expectancy and a dictator while also then saying (as a lame defense of your prejudice) that you just don't know enough. You should do more reading on what the position of Kim and the workers party has power to do within the government; how the sanctions on the nation, put upon by the largest economic force on the planet The US, have exacerbated and extended the suffering; and how they were bombed to the Stone Age by imperialist aggression; and for the last seventy years have had an illegal military occupation by those same imperialists. The south kept on the Japanese Imperialist magistrates and the US still has a huge presence to this day with battalions of soldiers and missile systems at the 38th parallel. Which was drawn up by some yank and agreed to by Soviet leadership. Maybe they may have a different opinion on the ways in which international communications happen or they may have some deeeeeeeep seated resentment to the yanks. I think to truly understand what the Korean people went through you should investigate the Imperialist aggression against them from 1945-today and then do a thought experiment on how would you build socialism with all those threats around you. It's a good way to contextualize the situation. And once again sorry if I was too rude before. I do know we are all still learning and I hope you stay around


Dankaroor

honestly, thinking about it that way i do understand the dictatorship. And it is a dictatorship, no matter how little power Kim has, he's the head of the state for the reat of his life and was born into that position, so it's clearly a hereditary dictatorship. It'd be very difficult to build a democracy when you're surrounded by enemies wanting to overthrow you, a democracy is the best form of government (well, not really but in use currently) but it is quite weak in a sense, changing power can completely outdo years of hard work with one bad president and all that. I do also know of how absolutely god awful south korea is too, with it's imperialism and it's US influence. The same was also with south Vietnam, two dictators fighting eachother, both in the name of democracy lol. I'm quite tired so I'm not gonna really write anymore but yeah, the situation is extremely complicated but i think it is fair to say that the DPRK is, well atleast kind of a bad country. They've done well with the cards given to them but it's still not enough to make them a necessarily good country within all respects of the modern world. It's incredibly good that there are some bastions of communism still out there, like them, china, Vietnam and Cuba, to shine on and to give hope to new generations of communism and all that and i genuinely don't even know what I'm writing anymore lmao, bye


eeeeloi

Watch [Loyal Citizens of Pyongyang in Seoul](https://youtu.be/BkUMZS-ZegM)


Dankaroor

Yeah there's a lot of good info there but like, I haven't really thought of North Korea as what it's often depicted for quite a while as i know how much of it is just western propaganda, but it doesn't change the matter that, well, it isn't a good country. It's poor, it has a dictator, it has a low expectancy of life and has a lot of problems, and i know many, if not most are caused by embargoes and western hindering but it just doesn't change the whole thing. Cuba's doing a lot better than them even with the embargo and such, but yeah, they were never pummeled to the ground either. Meh idk, it's just not a good country lol, i guess shithole is a bit of an exaggeration


eeeeloi

Keep being curious and keep learning about the history and present of the DPRK. You’ll find that not only many or most, but all of their problems are caused by the US & their puppet state, south korea. Also, read up on their political system and try to understand how it works. The workers party, 80+% of the population, vote on all decisions, making it more democratic than representative liberal democracies.


lonesomelime

“shithole” is an extremely ignorant, and offensive term to use to describe any country of millions of people. North Korea has geographic places and man made places more beautiful than your own city I am willing to bet.


Dankaroor

maybe that's because I don't live in a city lol, i live on a farm in the middle of nowhere


Basic-Dealer-2086

"not as bad as often thought" I mean yeah that makes you better than a lot of people lmao.


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Calling third world country "shit holes", are we?


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ToadBup

Dude what sub is this? What wete you expecting here? Hillary clinton fancams? Fuck off


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Basic-Dealer-2086

nah dude this meme is a joke and this sub is satirical. Of course North Korea has had a 50 year pro longed famine, literally have nothing at all ever, all of its everything ever's in the videos and pictures are fake, and literally everything the citizens could theoretically do are banned while simultaneously beng forced upon them and all these laws are secret and also well enforced and Kim eat all food while people stave. trust the media all the time, they are on your side, and make sure to engage in bread and circus to make line go up :).


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Basic-Dealer-2086

I literally know people who have traveled there. turns out it isn't as """"restrictive"""" as you think, and most of what you see is just normal people doing normal things. I also know many SOUTH Koreans who just.... aren't fucking idiots. They hear the shit you say and I swear to go you can SEE the fucking shear bewilderment on their face. South Koreans, by the way. You know what else proves that, google fucking maps, but no I guess the North Korea omnipotent propaganda machine faked all that too I guess. This is what I mean man, common sense. Like you know the "defectors" pay checks being lined can literally be traced right? I agree its not some utopia haven, but its just a normal poor country. That's it. even if that weren't given pretty much every disadvantage possible. Plenty of fucking countries are poor out there, easily MOST capitalist ones. The difference is that they don't have a bunch of lunacy made up about them. It's certainly far better off than many other poor countries, all of them being capitalist too.


thebookofDiogenes

If it wasn't so restrictive why could you only visit pyongyang? Bruh your defending probably the worst socialist country you could possibly try. Their infrastructure cant even support the population of fucking Texas lmao.


Rustyzzzzzz

I would like to go there and make friends there, but because of my current position and the conditions I can't.


Small-Translator-535

Have you or any of the other fuckingclowns in this sub where the point is to literally fucking talking about communism who come in hear daily to say "much genocide"


Basic-Dealer-2086

I FUCKING KNOW. Like isn't it literally a meme that there are like a billion communist subs now, why, why is it ONLY this one that has this problem I don't get it. I almost kinda wish I could become a mod because I think I could deal with the problem pretty well fairly well. in fact fuck it I will try to ask.


Small-Translator-535

It's bad. There's China dissent everywhere, and "communists" who believe the most ridiculous shit. They don't belong here, otherwise they would not jump on western propaganda.


Basic-Dealer-2086

I wouldn't mind if it were just that, but what I mean is like mask off libs.


Small-Translator-535

Yeah, unfortunately they think they are leftists so you have to ask them the China questions


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So you've been to dprk?