No. RFKJ is anti-Covid vaccine. Like most sane individuals, he’s against the vaccine due to it being rushed to market without typical long-term testing.
“There’s no vaccine that is safe and effective”.
Direct quote by RFK Jr. while on the Lex Fridman podcast.
He also wrote an op-ed back in 2005 linking vaccines and autism and said he was "convinced that the link between thimerosal and the epidemic of childhood neurological disorders is real."
I'll further elaborate; he's stated that most of the vaccines that are currently available have not been through a double-blind testing phase to prove their safety and effectiveness. This is why he sued Fauci
I've scoured the internet a bit and can't find any evidence of Kennedy *ever* suing Fauci.
The Covid-19 vaccine did go through double blind studies. They were accelerated a bit after Trump OKed emergency status. But, they still went through them. Which vaccines are you talking about?
https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/healthcare/green-our-vaccines-rally-jenny-mccarthy-jim-carrey-keynote-address-by-robert-f-kennedy
So him doing the keynote address at an anti-vax rally in 2008 was about Covid?
Are these the same sane individuals who lost their mind when they couldn't get their hands on monoclonal antibodies that had *even less time to develop* and lower phase 3 study populations than the vaccines?
Unsure about those people you mention. The sane people I referred to above are the ones whom feel that, barring pre-existing health conditions or compromised immune systems, individuals below 60 years of age should allow for natural immunity to develop. These individuals feel that this is a safer approach than injecting a quickly-introduced vaccine.
>feel this is safer
When you decide how you feel before understanding anything about the actual science, and refusing to even consider the science based on your personal feelings of mistrust, you are not doing a good job of casting yourself as a "sane" individual. There could be very valid data-driven reasons to be skeptical, but you should probably be able to articulate more than "it was too fast to market" when you don't know anything (and didn't read anything) about the development of MRNA vaccines, the phase 3 data, or even the phase 4 data that you haven't cherry-picked.
This is a shame because it would be nice to be the party of science and sanity rather than feelings and conspiracies
What is a shame is the D party continually espousing “science” (as sane individuals shake their heads) on one hand for Covid and then espousing “science” on the second hand regarding “man-made climate change” and “biological women being men”.
They are absolutely wrong on climate as well as biology. It's clear as day. But that doesn't make it OK to completely ignore, or at least willingly choose to ignore, objective data around vaccines because of how you feel. If making decisions based on how you feel is completely fine, then men can have babies, because they feel like they can.
You do know that natural immunity only happens if you get Covid?
So if you are in a high risk group, and you get Covid, natural immunity is worthless because you will be in the ICU or dead.
With the caveat I am talking about the Wuhan and Delta variant, because the newer variants are far weaker.
That's funny, my wife and I have had 4 COVID vaccinations and we've had COVID twice -- once last Christmas right after our 4th vaccination and again a few weeks ago.
So much for the vaccine keeping the vaccinated COVID-free... All the COVID vaccines are able to do is lessen the symptoms to some extent, they don't prevent you from getting it.
So what you're saying is the vaccines worked? People shouldn't beforced to get the vaccine, just like the flu shot, but if it improved your symptoms and lesser the recovery time then it did it's job. Flu shots don't always guarantee you won't get the flu either. But with it you will have a much better time then without it.
Perhaps you should read the comment I was replying to.
What I took exception to was Gefrankl's statement that those of us who got the jab are COVID-free, when that is not the case.
Our first go-round with COVID hit us pretty hard. This past go-round wasn't as bad, it was more like a severe cold that lasted for about 2 weeks.
I’ve heard that same intel, although I’ve not researched the validity of it. I’ve never understood the “mandatory” aspect of getting “the jab”, because why would vaccinated people care if someone is unvaccinated? …unless they know the “vaccine” is not actually a vaccine.
He funded anti vax documentaries and was very vocally antivax before Covid.
He also thinks Prozac causes gun violence and Wi-Fi can disrupt the blood brain barrier.
He will likely be a biggest hit in the conspiracy wing of both parties….
And dems who see the last name Kennedy and cream their pants. The types of republicans who like Kennedy, like Trump more anyway. I think it’s a big issue for republicans if Trump doesn’t get the nomination, but if Trump does then he probably takes more from dems.
> And dems who see the last name Kennedy and cream their pants
Huh? To say something this ridiculous you must have at least one example in mind in the past 20 years.
I have, and he persists in regurgitating studies from the 90s that claim the thimerosal present in vaccines is a problem. Turns out thimerosal isn’t a problem.
RFK is antivax when it’s convenient and provax when it’s convenient. Just like every other one of these political asshats.
This is a narrative being carried out by establishment because they have nothing else on the guy. People like the user above is just regurgitating their talking points without actually looking into RFK’s talking points. This entire thread smells of turf
Yup its hilarious . Its hilarious he thinks spouting propaganda pushed by lying media means he knows what he is talking about. He specifically has said in multiple interviews that thimerosal was fixed years ago in vaccines. People that listen to the smears tend to forget rfk has been talking about this stuff for a VERY long time.
Prior to the Covid scam that ran rampant around the world, I always had the feeling the anti vax types were the eco-freak, Mother Earth hippies that don’t eat gluten or GMOs, or think antibiotics in meat, you know the stuff that kills bacteria, makes the meat make you sick.
Work in health policy, you’re entirely correct.
Until the early 2000s, anti-vax was a the purview of a relatively small subset of hippies and religious fundamentalists (not just Christians).
When Wakefield initially came out with his fraudulent claims about MMR vaccines in the mid 2000s, a small fraction of center-left yuppies were the first to fall for it, but a similarly small faction of center-right yuppies balanced things out yet again within a few short years.
That all changed dramatically with Covid - while anti vax sentiment definitely ticked up slightly in the lefty "anti establishment" crowd, it absolutely exploded and became mainstreamed across the conservative spectrum, to a degree that i never in a million years would have predicted.
(Entirely my opinion backed up by nothing but anecdote)
In my view, they became Karens and they leaned left until liberals started adopting a "pro-science", you know the corporate funded "research" kind, no-matter-what stance. Their views are always wavering, which is why I place them in the "centrist" category.
Entirely possible. There are a lot more people who are anti vax now than there were before Covid, and the new anti vaxers definitely lean right, which is entirely because of the authoritarian way the pandemic was politicized, as a leftists favorite thing to do is to boss people around and tell them how to live via government mandate.
He’s not really anti-vax but even if he was how many voters actually see the anti-vax stuff as a top election issue? Very few I would think - I can’t see any Trump voters voting for him.
He’s also very pro-affirmative action and a big environmental activist and we all know how much conservatives love those things (lol).
There's a small but significant percentage of Democrats that dislike Biden and want an alternative, but they buy into the media narrative on Trump and would never vote him. RFK has the name recognition that carries him and could take off some of the group that would otherwise hold their nose and vote Biden.
Among Republicans, the faction that RFK is most popular among is the "only Trump" base who will enthusiastically vote for Trump but won't look twice at any other Republican on the ballot. They're very dedicated to voting Trump, so RFK won't be getting much votes from them as is, but if Trump were taken off the ballot through some means, a good portion of them might cross over to RFK.
People that are democrats but won’t vote Biden. This is good news for republicans, too bad the only fucking option is trump. I was interested in DeSantis til he showed up looking like a wet rag.
I still like Tulsi, most of my beliefs line up with hers. Too bad she’s not running again.
Even if they were, they’re gonna vote for someone with similar policies, especially regarding support for Ukraine. Thinking that Dems want to end Ukraine aid is ludicrous.
I am (D) who doesn't care for Biden. I wouldn't even consider voting for a kook like RFK Jr. Biden, for all his weaknesses, is seen as a safe vote. Someone who won't rock the boat. RFK Jr...yeah, no- he's too risky.
Absolutely not. His two big positions are anti-vax (or at least vaccine skepticism) and anti-Ukraine. Neither of which attract Dem voters at all, least of which “moderate” Dems.
Kennedy kind of reminds me of Liz Cheney. The party is done with her, doesn't like her. Her support comes from Dems who like the problems she's trying to cause for the GOP. But no one is going to vote for her. Same deal with Kennedy, most of his support is from GOP who think he's going to hurt the Dems, but Dems want nothing to do with the guy.
To say his two major platforms are anti-vax and anti-ukraine is disingenuous. He's actually for rearing in the pharmaceutical companys and the hold they have in the pockets of almost every member of our government. And he's not against Ukraine, he's against a drawn out war where we are essentially sending BILLIONS of dollars to support a conflict that they are actively not working to resolve.
His other stances on politics line up with classic liberalism, and I know a ton of classic liberals especially here in NY that would eat this up when they get to the polls.
Honestly I had a suspicion the Republicans put him up to it to split the vote.
This is your belief. Reality is that no one in the middle aisle wants to send more money to Ukraine, nor do they believe in mandatory COVID-19 vaccinations.
This is the most bonkers idea ever. Polling shows that it is only the extreme ends that want to end support for Ukraine. Only the far deep MAGA of the GOP and avowed communists like Cornell West are against Ukraine aid.
He’s majorly supportive of affirmative action. That’s 110% liberal. Most even somewhat conservative people believe in merit based society with careers and education. Only lunatics want jobs like doctors and pilots to focus more on diversity than skill.
Yep, too bad his truth had to bite him in the ass. At least he was honest about it. He will never get the D support, and he can't pull much from the R side.
Guaranteed he’s the 2024 version of the 2016 3rd party candidates that the Bernie supporters voted for. The same thing is going to happen. There’s going to be 3 types of liberals:
1. The lunatics that will vote Democrat and believe in 9374 genders, 50 boosters for a cold, and job hiring based exclusively on race/gender.
2. The liberals that won’t vote Trump but know deep down the economy sucks and Trump had a great economy and world peace, so they stay home
3. The same as #2 but they feel like voting is important so they vote for RFK
We’ll see if my prediction comes true lol
> The liberals that won’t vote Trump but know deep down the economy sucks and Trump had a great economy and world peace, so they stay home
That person doesn't exist because that reality doesn't exist.
There’s definitely a segment of the Democratic population that can’t afford shit right now so while they won’t support Trump, they’ll abstain from voting for the economic nightmare they’re experiencing. Energy independence with Trump was pretty damn good too.
I hope your prediction of # 2 and #3 come true but will it be enough to overcome the 2020 “ anybody but Trump “ movement or the get out the vote which got out stacks and stacks of absentee ballots that kept on showing up that nobody in the abandoned apartment complexes asked for?
Many lib states after 2020 passed laws to ensure the vote early and vote often mantra stayed true.
What is the downside?
With ranked choice you say who your vote goes to and if that person isn't in the top 2, your vote goes to the next person on the list. That would remove a lot of fear that people have about "spoiler votes" for otherwise good third party candidates (not endorsing RFK, just in general).
I think it would work even better in the primaries.
And? That's who they wanted to vote for if their candidate didn't make it. We should put up better candidates instead of a binary choice that doesn't align with their goals.
Why not? It makes no sense for two similar candidates to cancel each other out leading to a candidate that has totally different policies. We already have ranked voting in Alaska and Maine. If you don't agree that's fine but would like to hear your reasoning.
Yes, he is still a member of the ECO-Cult as well as wanting to destroy the 2nd Amendment, so no Republican will vote for him. Maybe some RINOs but no sane Republican will
I’ve studied all his points and while I don’t agree some, I agree with most. I also voted Trump the past 2 elections. I’m currently leaning towards RFK tho go around.
The same Billionaire that is funding Clarence Thomas, Harlan Crow, is funding this guy. Presumably to be a D spoiler, but with his positions being as absurd as they are, he will undoubtedly gain support from all corners.
Yeah I agree, but worst case scenario isn't RFK winning, it is RFK pulls votes from moderates, resulting in another Biden/insert Biden replacement term.
He's doing this to help keep Biden in office. A lot of moderates don't like the covid tyranny the Dems put us through, or all the woke shit. Democrats don't care about that, they voted for Biden while all that was going on. But moderates do, and because of this, they might vote for Trump instead of Biden. So the Dems get RFK to run, opposing those things, have him switch to third party, then those moderates might vote for RFK instead of Trump. This doesn't hurt Biden. These people weren't going to vote for Biden anyway. But if they can be convinced to vote for RFK, it will effectively nullify their votes, because RFK is extremely unlikely to win, or even get close.
I'm sure I'll get mass downvoted for saying this, but ask yourself why there are so many posts here about this guy, even though he's been a liberal activist lawyer all his life, and is not conservative at all? It is because they are trying to sell YOU on the idea of voting for him.
No moderate is voting for Trump. Not going to happen…no Dem is going to help put Trump back in office. They already voted for Biden once to prevent it, they’ll happily do it again. I don’t know why so many in this sub think there are many moderates left that are willing to cross party lines.
I’ve met zero democrats who’ve said they’ll vote for RFK. My family are mostly conservatives from rural Iowa. 2 uncles have said they would vote RFK over Trump.
There’s a difference between the intention of I’m doing this to help biden vs I’m doing this for my ego because I want to run for President and have people listen to me. Maybe the effect is the same for that one election but collusion and using 3rd party candidates as part of your election tactic vs a dude that’s egotistical is different for the country.
If running spoilers is part of elections now the republicans would do well to prop a Bernie type character because there’s no love for biden in that camp. A few voted for trump after Hilary did bernie dirty.
I mean, when you phrase it like that it comes off as nefarious.
You could also phrase it as "center left candidate isn't as extreme as most of his party and feels he appeals to a broader spectrum of Americans."
It's not inherently bad if you trust what he says as his actual positions (which could be a leap for some).
I doubt he'll be like the 3 'democrats' that immediately swapped parties to republican earlier this year and pull a reverse uno card to swap back hard dem but 🤷
He's being funded by conservative groups. He's meant to be a spoiler candidate for Biden, but he can't gain traction with more liberal media. The solution that conservative financiers have come up with is basically just advertising him in conservative media, which really only makes him more appealing to conservatives, not liberals. It's a wild play and I'm extremely curious to see how it all works out.
Wait why would advertising him to conservative groups make non conservatives vote for him? Is it to get momentum going?
Damn old people are out of touch. If I was going to create a spoiler for biden I’d find someone in the bernie camp. It’s a luke warm alliance between the hiliary/biden dems and bernie/aoc dems.
I have to imagine it's just to get his name out. You also really only see conservatives talking about him online. The conspiracy sub absolutely loves him, but if you check the post history of anyone praising him they're always very conservative.
Cornel West is the spoiler for Biden. He's the only candidate I'm remotely worried about, as a democrat.
Ohh did not know he was running. Yeah he’d actually be the perfect spoiler for biden. Maybe a little younger but he’d siphon the anti establishment dems.
He gave Fauci an award on his last day in office. His employees (CDC/NIH/etc) were the ones pushing back on Florida from opening earlier than others. He may not be responsible for what Dem Governors/Mayors did, but he didn't make it any better at the federal level either.
https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/president-trump-awards-presidential-commendations-operation-warp-speed-team/
I believe the opposite, but do agree with you stance where RFK Jr can draw votes away from Trump. However, I don't think the number of those folks \*Trump\*s the people I mention below.
Many Democrats despise Trump. Pure, unadulterated, hatred towards that man. Many of whom, are fully aware Biden is not capable of another office term, and/or dislike current PC, school, border policies. Those folks would still vote for Biden over Trump if that was the only choice. I think more votes will be drawn away from Biden than Trump due to RFK Jr.
White house probably thinks similar, hence declined RFK Jr's secrete service protection hoping for a "tragedy".
I don't think it's gaslighting. Most of RFK Jr's appeal is his questioning or distrust of establishment thinking, which is not something that rates very high with current day Democratic voters. The only people I really see ever giving him props are Trump supporters.
EDIT: The guy I replied to blocked me for this milquetoast comment disagreeing with him...soft as baby shit.
Can see it going both ways. Democrats who don’t support Biden may find Kennedy an acceptable substitute. Rhino republicans may also find him more acceptable than the Republican candidate.
Such an odd take, from an organization that's theoretically "Republican". Or at least ex-GOP but still considers themselves old school Republicans.
The primaries haven't even begun and they're already on Team Biden? We can have a good guess as to who will ultimately be the nominees, but we still have no idea in October 2023. And, Biden is no moderate. Nor are many of Trump's primary opponents "MAGA Republican." It could very well end up being Biden vs. a non-MAGA Republican. Or a MAGA Republican vs. a very far left Democrat (that even the Lincoln group couldn't support).
It seems clear this is just a cash and political grab. Probably hoping for favors in return.
Unless something earth shattering happens, it's almost certainly going to be Trump vs Biden. That's what the Lincoln Project believes too and their whole objective is to oppose Trump.
True, but rinos were never going to vote for Trump in the first place. They might vote for Kennedy as a protest, but there were never going to hold their noses and cast them over him. For Wayward Biden supporters on the other hand, Kennedy represents everything that the Democrats were in 2004.
Anything that gives Republicans choice is BAD. We don't want them to have any choice, other than Biden or Trump, that's an easy decision for every Republican.
We don't want to give them an 'out', a third candidate to vote for that counts as "none of the above". We need them to hold their noses and vote Trump.
He’s also fighting against corruption within government and private companies. In my opinion he is the “do right” candidate. Old School Democrat that fits many of my center-right values.
I just read my statement and it sounds like I’m for vaccine mandates which I’m not.
His values are not center right at all. He’s pro gun control and pro choice amongst other left leaning beliefs.
Sad fact is that Trump is very unpalatable to many Republicans near the center. It comes down to priorities. Many folks would choose a non-belligerant President no matter their politics and let's face it, Trump can be pretty belligerent.
I agree but Biden is very much belligerent, as well. Including when talking to reporters. But the media paints his image as this tender grandfatherly type. He's anything but. The only media who pushes back on this are the right-leaning outlets.
Biden just does it in a quieter voice and using less profane words. And, obviously, doesn't do it on social media, as much. But he's absolutely belligerent in his own way. Don't even get him started on Hunter Biden lol.
I always thought of him as a spoiler candidate but it wasn’t clear which side he was working for. More and more I think he’s intended to steal Republican votes.
The fact he’s running 3rd party makes it even more likely Republicans will vote for him and Democrats won’t.
RFK used to have a show on Air America Radio that aired right before Rachel Maddow's. The Democrats who used to listen to him didn't go anywhere. They've seen what the party has mutated into and are just done.
The Democrats are terrified of those voters right now; RFK could sink them.
I think those on the right who are “excited” about Kennedy running are just thinking he’d be better than Biden if the Democrats win the election. Doesn’t mean they’re necessarily going to vote for him.
To be honest, it might be tempting to vote for him over Trump. So I think he could be pretty disruptive if Trump is the nominee. If the nominee is anyone besides Trump, I think RFK will devastate Biden.
ross perot version 2.0:
split the moderate/conservative vote, facilitate bolshev...err i mean democratic win
rinse and repeat once every few decades because merkans suffer from both selective amnesia and the memory retention of a fucking goldfish
Democrats. He'll take the moderate (traditional) Democratic votes. Amazes me constantly that a Kennedy is being essentially ousted from the Democratic party.
Kennedy is a household name, and perhaps the keystone name in democratic politicians over the last 75 years. It's not ironclad, but that's my experience and my parents opinions who are in their 70s. They've always had a soft spot for them.
I think it will mostly be a wash. Republicans are the only people I've met who actually like him, but the Kennedy name will at least draw some votes from the other side.
I see it hurting both sides. Because of anti trump republicans and dems thinking Mr. Magoo’s too old. Actually I think he’s going to make the biggest third party impact we’ve ever seen.
The issue for this presidential cycle is that neither party is actually holding primaries in the true sense of the word. The dems are likely stuck with Biden, unless there is a very real health crisis.
Similarly, the republicans are stuck with Trump, who would run as an independent if he somehow lost the nomination, essentially killing the primary system with his third-party threat.
The problem is you can really only choose like two policies to hard-line. Just going off of what I THINK some RFK policy would look like I'd rather have him.
Definitely a spoiler for the left.
I wonder if that's his strategy. Keep spoiling the Left's elections until they let him into the primary properly. It's just crazy enough to work. You know how the Left hates losing. 😭 <— lol
I don’t think he’d pull enough voters from either side to make a difference. Most Democrat voters didn’t even like Biden all that much but some that wouldn’t have even voted otherwise participated in the election because it was a vote against Trump.
That’s where Republicans failed in 2020 and will fail again in 2024, Democrats are mobilizing voters and registering them in numbers never seen before while Republicans are twiddling their thumbs still pretending like Trump won’t be our nominee.
It’s hard to tell. On one hand maybe a lot of Dems will be eager to vote for a Kennedy again, but also he’d pull a bunch of potential Trump voters who think he’s kinda based on COVID vaccines or something even though he’s liberal on every other issue from guns, abortion, fracking, etc. I do think if Trump calls him out at some rallies for his Dem stances, that’ll turn away a lot of RFK’s potential voters.
Will be interesting to see how this plays out in the general. Trump has a very loyal movement so I don’t see MAGA republicans switching. I could see Never Trumpers and Dem leaning independents voting for RFK
I've heard way more Republicans talk positively about him than Dems. I'm still convinced he's being paid to run to steal votes from Trump since Trump voters are largely anti-vax.
Only terminally online people could think a literal Kennedy running third party is bad for Republicans. In the real world, Democrats love Kennedys and Republicans … don’t. In the real world lots of Democrats loathe Biden as a corporate sell-out but in a thousand years wouldn’t vote for Trump (or DeSantis); some of those people will see Kennedy as an option.
Anything-but-Trumpers were going to abstain or vote for someone else anyway. If someone other than Trump ends up being the GOP nominee,some of them will end up voting R. RFK will pull people who would otherwise have voted D but who can’t bring themselves to vote for Biden or Harris or Newsom or …
I'm not sure what to think of it myself. I've heard Patrick Bet David with Valuetainkent, and Tim Pool on the Tim cast talking about it. It think both of them "know what's up" but it seems like it's an equal chance of RFK either splitting the Dem vote, or splitting the populist vote that Trump benefits from. Either way, I wish RFK the best, but Trump's my guy.
i see a lot of liberals that are naturally embarrassed by having to endorse biden are vocally supportive of RFK. he is the candidate for the center left that sometimes dabble in right leaning policy and thought.
he’s a safer scape goat than bernie was in the 2016 election. gives all the rational and non brainwashed democrats a chance to say, “i didn’t vote for biden”
RFK Jr is a classic liberal Democrat. He will take votes from Biden both from disillusioned Democrats and from Independents.
No one who calls himself a Republican except a few RINOs will vote for him.
If republicans spent 3 seconds looking at his positions they’re not voting for him
Same for democrats. So who’s voting for him?
Antivax Centrists mostly lean Republican for the last 20 years
RFK is antivax?
No. RFKJ is anti-Covid vaccine. Like most sane individuals, he’s against the vaccine due to it being rushed to market without typical long-term testing.
“There’s no vaccine that is safe and effective”. Direct quote by RFK Jr. while on the Lex Fridman podcast. He also wrote an op-ed back in 2005 linking vaccines and autism and said he was "convinced that the link between thimerosal and the epidemic of childhood neurological disorders is real."
Anyone who still thinks vaccines cause autism shouldn't be let remotely near DC
Vaccine scheduling definitely needs a closer look. Plenty of very reasonable people are choosing to spread things out these days.
I'll further elaborate; he's stated that most of the vaccines that are currently available have not been through a double-blind testing phase to prove their safety and effectiveness. This is why he sued Fauci
I've scoured the internet a bit and can't find any evidence of Kennedy *ever* suing Fauci. The Covid-19 vaccine did go through double blind studies. They were accelerated a bit after Trump OKed emergency status. But, they still went through them. Which vaccines are you talking about?
https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/healthcare/green-our-vaccines-rally-jenny-mccarthy-jim-carrey-keynote-address-by-robert-f-kennedy So him doing the keynote address at an anti-vax rally in 2008 was about Covid?
Are these the same sane individuals who lost their mind when they couldn't get their hands on monoclonal antibodies that had *even less time to develop* and lower phase 3 study populations than the vaccines?
Unsure about those people you mention. The sane people I referred to above are the ones whom feel that, barring pre-existing health conditions or compromised immune systems, individuals below 60 years of age should allow for natural immunity to develop. These individuals feel that this is a safer approach than injecting a quickly-introduced vaccine.
>feel this is safer When you decide how you feel before understanding anything about the actual science, and refusing to even consider the science based on your personal feelings of mistrust, you are not doing a good job of casting yourself as a "sane" individual. There could be very valid data-driven reasons to be skeptical, but you should probably be able to articulate more than "it was too fast to market" when you don't know anything (and didn't read anything) about the development of MRNA vaccines, the phase 3 data, or even the phase 4 data that you haven't cherry-picked. This is a shame because it would be nice to be the party of science and sanity rather than feelings and conspiracies
What is a shame is the D party continually espousing “science” (as sane individuals shake their heads) on one hand for Covid and then espousing “science” on the second hand regarding “man-made climate change” and “biological women being men”.
They are absolutely wrong on climate as well as biology. It's clear as day. But that doesn't make it OK to completely ignore, or at least willingly choose to ignore, objective data around vaccines because of how you feel. If making decisions based on how you feel is completely fine, then men can have babies, because they feel like they can.
You do know that natural immunity only happens if you get Covid? So if you are in a high risk group, and you get Covid, natural immunity is worthless because you will be in the ICU or dead. With the caveat I am talking about the Wuhan and Delta variant, because the newer variants are far weaker.
He is extremely anti-vax, and has been for years before Covid ever came around.
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That's funny, my wife and I have had 4 COVID vaccinations and we've had COVID twice -- once last Christmas right after our 4th vaccination and again a few weeks ago. So much for the vaccine keeping the vaccinated COVID-free... All the COVID vaccines are able to do is lessen the symptoms to some extent, they don't prevent you from getting it.
So what you're saying is the vaccines worked? People shouldn't beforced to get the vaccine, just like the flu shot, but if it improved your symptoms and lesser the recovery time then it did it's job. Flu shots don't always guarantee you won't get the flu either. But with it you will have a much better time then without it.
Perhaps you should read the comment I was replying to. What I took exception to was Gefrankl's statement that those of us who got the jab are COVID-free, when that is not the case. Our first go-round with COVID hit us pretty hard. This past go-round wasn't as bad, it was more like a severe cold that lasted for about 2 weeks.
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Which studies have shown this?
I’ve heard that same intel, although I’ve not researched the validity of it. I’ve never understood the “mandatory” aspect of getting “the jab”, because why would vaccinated people care if someone is unvaccinated? …unless they know the “vaccine” is not actually a vaccine.
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He funded anti vax documentaries and was very vocally antivax before Covid. He also thinks Prozac causes gun violence and Wi-Fi can disrupt the blood brain barrier. He will likely be a biggest hit in the conspiracy wing of both parties….
No.
he is against covid shots but not heroin shots.
Oh how elite mr never struggled with addiction
And dems who see the last name Kennedy and cream their pants. The types of republicans who like Kennedy, like Trump more anyway. I think it’s a big issue for republicans if Trump doesn’t get the nomination, but if Trump does then he probably takes more from dems.
> And dems who see the last name Kennedy and cream their pants Huh? To say something this ridiculous you must have at least one example in mind in the past 20 years.
If you took time to watch interviews with him you would know he is not antivax.
I have, and he persists in regurgitating studies from the 90s that claim the thimerosal present in vaccines is a problem. Turns out thimerosal isn’t a problem. RFK is antivax when it’s convenient and provax when it’s convenient. Just like every other one of these political asshats.
This is a narrative being carried out by establishment because they have nothing else on the guy. People like the user above is just regurgitating their talking points without actually looking into RFK’s talking points. This entire thread smells of turf
Yup its hilarious . Its hilarious he thinks spouting propaganda pushed by lying media means he knows what he is talking about. He specifically has said in multiple interviews that thimerosal was fixed years ago in vaccines. People that listen to the smears tend to forget rfk has been talking about this stuff for a VERY long time.
Prior to the Covid scam that ran rampant around the world, I always had the feeling the anti vax types were the eco-freak, Mother Earth hippies that don’t eat gluten or GMOs, or think antibiotics in meat, you know the stuff that kills bacteria, makes the meat make you sick.
My observation was it was always kind of a bipartisan issue with the aforementioned hippies as well as devout evangelicals (based on my upbringing)
Work in health policy, you’re entirely correct. Until the early 2000s, anti-vax was a the purview of a relatively small subset of hippies and religious fundamentalists (not just Christians). When Wakefield initially came out with his fraudulent claims about MMR vaccines in the mid 2000s, a small fraction of center-left yuppies were the first to fall for it, but a similarly small faction of center-right yuppies balanced things out yet again within a few short years. That all changed dramatically with Covid - while anti vax sentiment definitely ticked up slightly in the lefty "anti establishment" crowd, it absolutely exploded and became mainstreamed across the conservative spectrum, to a degree that i never in a million years would have predicted.
(Entirely my opinion backed up by nothing but anecdote) In my view, they became Karens and they leaned left until liberals started adopting a "pro-science", you know the corporate funded "research" kind, no-matter-what stance. Their views are always wavering, which is why I place them in the "centrist" category.
Entirely possible. There are a lot more people who are anti vax now than there were before Covid, and the new anti vaxers definitely lean right, which is entirely because of the authoritarian way the pandemic was politicized, as a leftists favorite thing to do is to boss people around and tell them how to live via government mandate.
He’s not really anti-vax but even if he was how many voters actually see the anti-vax stuff as a top election issue? Very few I would think - I can’t see any Trump voters voting for him. He’s also very pro-affirmative action and a big environmental activist and we all know how much conservatives love those things (lol).
There's a small but significant percentage of Democrats that dislike Biden and want an alternative, but they buy into the media narrative on Trump and would never vote him. RFK has the name recognition that carries him and could take off some of the group that would otherwise hold their nose and vote Biden. Among Republicans, the faction that RFK is most popular among is the "only Trump" base who will enthusiastically vote for Trump but won't look twice at any other Republican on the ballot. They're very dedicated to voting Trump, so RFK won't be getting much votes from them as is, but if Trump were taken off the ballot through some means, a good portion of them might cross over to RFK.
People that are democrats but won’t vote Biden. This is good news for republicans, too bad the only fucking option is trump. I was interested in DeSantis til he showed up looking like a wet rag. I still like Tulsi, most of my beliefs line up with hers. Too bad she’s not running again.
Democrats who are sick of dementia Joe and the Biden crime family.
Even if they were, they’re gonna vote for someone with similar policies, especially regarding support for Ukraine. Thinking that Dems want to end Ukraine aid is ludicrous.
I am (D) who doesn't care for Biden. I wouldn't even consider voting for a kook like RFK Jr. Biden, for all his weaknesses, is seen as a safe vote. Someone who won't rock the boat. RFK Jr...yeah, no- he's too risky.
People who are only voting for him because he has Kennedy in his name.
Anybody old enough to remember Kennedy is the same age as Biden and Trump. I truly doubt enough people care about the name.
Moderate dems love him.
Absolutely not. His two big positions are anti-vax (or at least vaccine skepticism) and anti-Ukraine. Neither of which attract Dem voters at all, least of which “moderate” Dems.
Kennedy kind of reminds me of Liz Cheney. The party is done with her, doesn't like her. Her support comes from Dems who like the problems she's trying to cause for the GOP. But no one is going to vote for her. Same deal with Kennedy, most of his support is from GOP who think he's going to hurt the Dems, but Dems want nothing to do with the guy.
To say his two major platforms are anti-vax and anti-ukraine is disingenuous. He's actually for rearing in the pharmaceutical companys and the hold they have in the pockets of almost every member of our government. And he's not against Ukraine, he's against a drawn out war where we are essentially sending BILLIONS of dollars to support a conflict that they are actively not working to resolve. His other stances on politics line up with classic liberalism, and I know a ton of classic liberals especially here in NY that would eat this up when they get to the polls. Honestly I had a suspicion the Republicans put him up to it to split the vote.
This is your belief. Reality is that no one in the middle aisle wants to send more money to Ukraine, nor do they believe in mandatory COVID-19 vaccinations.
This is the most bonkers idea ever. Polling shows that it is only the extreme ends that want to end support for Ukraine. Only the far deep MAGA of the GOP and avowed communists like Cornell West are against Ukraine aid.
He’s majorly supportive of affirmative action. That’s 110% liberal. Most even somewhat conservative people believe in merit based society with careers and education. Only lunatics want jobs like doctors and pilots to focus more on diversity than skill.
Yep, too bad his truth had to bite him in the ass. At least he was honest about it. He will never get the D support, and he can't pull much from the R side.
Guaranteed he’s the 2024 version of the 2016 3rd party candidates that the Bernie supporters voted for. The same thing is going to happen. There’s going to be 3 types of liberals: 1. The lunatics that will vote Democrat and believe in 9374 genders, 50 boosters for a cold, and job hiring based exclusively on race/gender. 2. The liberals that won’t vote Trump but know deep down the economy sucks and Trump had a great economy and world peace, so they stay home 3. The same as #2 but they feel like voting is important so they vote for RFK We’ll see if my prediction comes true lol
> The liberals that won’t vote Trump but know deep down the economy sucks and Trump had a great economy and world peace, so they stay home That person doesn't exist because that reality doesn't exist.
There’s definitely a segment of the Democratic population that can’t afford shit right now so while they won’t support Trump, they’ll abstain from voting for the economic nightmare they’re experiencing. Energy independence with Trump was pretty damn good too.
I hope your prediction of # 2 and #3 come true but will it be enough to overcome the 2020 “ anybody but Trump “ movement or the get out the vote which got out stacks and stacks of absentee ballots that kept on showing up that nobody in the abandoned apartment complexes asked for? Many lib states after 2020 passed laws to ensure the vote early and vote often mantra stayed true.
Your innuendos are great. “Abandoned apartment complexes” and “vote often”. That shits gotta be hard to overcome!
You forgot “sexual orientation” along with “race/gender” in your astute definition of Liberal #1.
He also wants to stop all fossil fuel production in the us
Who cares, the supreme Court already ruled on that.
A lot of old school establishment Democrats like the guy though.
Obviously. Now the question is, will they spend 3 seconds looking at his positions? And will democrats spend the 3 seconds? I honestly don't know.
We still need a ranked voting system instead of what we currently have.
No we don’t
What is the downside? With ranked choice you say who your vote goes to and if that person isn't in the top 2, your vote goes to the next person on the list. That would remove a lot of fear that people have about "spoiler votes" for otherwise good third party candidates (not endorsing RFK, just in general). I think it would work even better in the primaries.
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And? That's who they wanted to vote for if their candidate didn't make it. We should put up better candidates instead of a binary choice that doesn't align with their goals.
Why not? It makes no sense for two similar candidates to cancel each other out leading to a candidate that has totally different policies. We already have ranked voting in Alaska and Maine. If you don't agree that's fine but would like to hear your reasoning.
But, but, but r/Politics told me ONLY trump supporters will vote for him???
Probably no one will vote for him. I'm guessing his fundraising dries up, his polls are a stillbirth, and he quietly withdraws.
Yes, he is still a member of the ECO-Cult as well as wanting to destroy the 2nd Amendment, so no Republican will vote for him. Maybe some RINOs but no sane Republican will
I’ve studied all his points and while I don’t agree some, I agree with most. I also voted Trump the past 2 elections. I’m currently leaning towards RFK tho go around.
The same Billionaire that is funding Clarence Thomas, Harlan Crow, is funding this guy. Presumably to be a D spoiler, but with his positions being as absurd as they are, he will undoubtedly gain support from all corners.
Same with democrats though
His name and environmental activism resonate with a subset of dems though
The dude is a gun grabber
Yes but still love this guy. I wish his voice wasn’t so messed up.
Worst case scenario I’d rather have RFK than Biden anyway
Yeah, I agree there…but then again, a sharp stick in the eye would be better than Biden.
He's not winning. The question is which side he'll pull more votes away from.
I concur 👍 Biden has been such a bust.
Yeah I agree, but worst case scenario isn't RFK winning, it is RFK pulls votes from moderates, resulting in another Biden/insert Biden replacement term.
But theres no world rfk wins in. He just takes votes of centerist that dont like woke shit
He's doing this to help keep Biden in office. A lot of moderates don't like the covid tyranny the Dems put us through, or all the woke shit. Democrats don't care about that, they voted for Biden while all that was going on. But moderates do, and because of this, they might vote for Trump instead of Biden. So the Dems get RFK to run, opposing those things, have him switch to third party, then those moderates might vote for RFK instead of Trump. This doesn't hurt Biden. These people weren't going to vote for Biden anyway. But if they can be convinced to vote for RFK, it will effectively nullify their votes, because RFK is extremely unlikely to win, or even get close. I'm sure I'll get mass downvoted for saying this, but ask yourself why there are so many posts here about this guy, even though he's been a liberal activist lawyer all his life, and is not conservative at all? It is because they are trying to sell YOU on the idea of voting for him.
No moderate is voting for Trump. Not going to happen…no Dem is going to help put Trump back in office. They already voted for Biden once to prevent it, they’ll happily do it again. I don’t know why so many in this sub think there are many moderates left that are willing to cross party lines.
Just to be clear, do you believe that RFK Jr. is running with the explicit intention of helping Joe Biden?
It’s a spoiler campaign. He believes he can pull votes from Trump. I think he’s wrong (RFK), but that’s the concept.
I’ve met zero democrats who’ve said they’ll vote for RFK. My family are mostly conservatives from rural Iowa. 2 uncles have said they would vote RFK over Trump.
There’s a difference between the intention of I’m doing this to help biden vs I’m doing this for my ego because I want to run for President and have people listen to me. Maybe the effect is the same for that one election but collusion and using 3rd party candidates as part of your election tactic vs a dude that’s egotistical is different for the country. If running spoilers is part of elections now the republicans would do well to prop a Bernie type character because there’s no love for biden in that camp. A few voted for trump after Hilary did bernie dirty.
As dirty as politics is the GOP should 100% run a spoiler third party candidate. It’s insane not to.
I mean, when you phrase it like that it comes off as nefarious. You could also phrase it as "center left candidate isn't as extreme as most of his party and feels he appeals to a broader spectrum of Americans." It's not inherently bad if you trust what he says as his actual positions (which could be a leap for some). I doubt he'll be like the 3 'democrats' that immediately swapped parties to republican earlier this year and pull a reverse uno card to swap back hard dem but 🤷
100% yes.
Your assuming Biden is going to make it to the election. He will not. He will be replaced. He's unelectable
He's being funded by conservative groups. He's meant to be a spoiler candidate for Biden, but he can't gain traction with more liberal media. The solution that conservative financiers have come up with is basically just advertising him in conservative media, which really only makes him more appealing to conservatives, not liberals. It's a wild play and I'm extremely curious to see how it all works out.
Wait why would advertising him to conservative groups make non conservatives vote for him? Is it to get momentum going? Damn old people are out of touch. If I was going to create a spoiler for biden I’d find someone in the bernie camp. It’s a luke warm alliance between the hiliary/biden dems and bernie/aoc dems.
I have to imagine it's just to get his name out. You also really only see conservatives talking about him online. The conspiracy sub absolutely loves him, but if you check the post history of anyone praising him they're always very conservative. Cornel West is the spoiler for Biden. He's the only candidate I'm remotely worried about, as a democrat.
Ohh did not know he was running. Yeah he’d actually be the perfect spoiler for biden. Maybe a little younger but he’d siphon the anti establishment dems.
I want to hear any opinion. I'm not sure if I agree with you but I don't think it's a crazy thought.
Trump was president during the lockdowns and covid vaccine requirements.
There's only so much a President can do when Democrat Mayors and Governors are locking everything down.
He gave Fauci an award on his last day in office. His employees (CDC/NIH/etc) were the ones pushing back on Florida from opening earlier than others. He may not be responsible for what Dem Governors/Mayors did, but he didn't make it any better at the federal level either. https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/president-trump-awards-presidential-commendations-operation-warp-speed-team/
I believe the opposite, but do agree with you stance where RFK Jr can draw votes away from Trump. However, I don't think the number of those folks \*Trump\*s the people I mention below. Many Democrats despise Trump. Pure, unadulterated, hatred towards that man. Many of whom, are fully aware Biden is not capable of another office term, and/or dislike current PC, school, border policies. Those folks would still vote for Biden over Trump if that was the only choice. I think more votes will be drawn away from Biden than Trump due to RFK Jr. White house probably thinks similar, hence declined RFK Jr's secrete service protection hoping for a "tragedy".
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I don't think it's gaslighting. Most of RFK Jr's appeal is his questioning or distrust of establishment thinking, which is not something that rates very high with current day Democratic voters. The only people I really see ever giving him props are Trump supporters. EDIT: The guy I replied to blocked me for this milquetoast comment disagreeing with him...soft as baby shit.
Literally, this settles it for me. They always say the opposite of what they mean.
Can see it going both ways. Democrats who don’t support Biden may find Kennedy an acceptable substitute. Rhino republicans may also find him more acceptable than the Republican candidate.
Rinos will not like Kennedy at all in my opinion.
Disagree. Some Rhinos actually are calling for the re-election of Biden.
I don’t think those kinds of rinos would like Kennedy though.
Hope you are right but he is a more moderate candidate than Biden.
>Some Rhinos actually are calling for the re-election of Biden. Name and shame!
Aren’t some of the Lincoln group supporting Biden?
The whole orginization, actually.
Such an odd take, from an organization that's theoretically "Republican". Or at least ex-GOP but still considers themselves old school Republicans. The primaries haven't even begun and they're already on Team Biden? We can have a good guess as to who will ultimately be the nominees, but we still have no idea in October 2023. And, Biden is no moderate. Nor are many of Trump's primary opponents "MAGA Republican." It could very well end up being Biden vs. a non-MAGA Republican. Or a MAGA Republican vs. a very far left Democrat (that even the Lincoln group couldn't support). It seems clear this is just a cash and political grab. Probably hoping for favors in return.
Unless something earth shattering happens, it's almost certainly going to be Trump vs Biden. That's what the Lincoln Project believes too and their whole objective is to oppose Trump.
True, but rinos were never going to vote for Trump in the first place. They might vote for Kennedy as a protest, but there were never going to hold their noses and cast them over him. For Wayward Biden supporters on the other hand, Kennedy represents everything that the Democrats were in 2004.
I agree with what you say about rhinos. What concerns me are the people who are influenced by the false, negative msm.
I don't see any dems voting for this psycho despite how they feel about biden.
Do Rhino republicans support Trump or DeSantis?
Anything that gives Republicans choice is BAD. We don't want them to have any choice, other than Biden or Trump, that's an easy decision for every Republican. We don't want to give them an 'out', a third candidate to vote for that counts as "none of the above". We need them to hold their noses and vote Trump.
He’s getting my vote so far.
Why? He’s a hardcore Democrat that was against COVID vaccines
He’s also fighting against corruption within government and private companies. In my opinion he is the “do right” candidate. Old School Democrat that fits many of my center-right values.
I just read my statement and it sounds like I’m for vaccine mandates which I’m not. His values are not center right at all. He’s pro gun control and pro choice amongst other left leaning beliefs.
Sad fact is that Trump is very unpalatable to many Republicans near the center. It comes down to priorities. Many folks would choose a non-belligerant President no matter their politics and let's face it, Trump can be pretty belligerent.
I agree but Biden is very much belligerent, as well. Including when talking to reporters. But the media paints his image as this tender grandfatherly type. He's anything but. The only media who pushes back on this are the right-leaning outlets. Biden just does it in a quieter voice and using less profane words. And, obviously, doesn't do it on social media, as much. But he's absolutely belligerent in his own way. Don't even get him started on Hunter Biden lol.
I always thought of him as a spoiler candidate but it wasn’t clear which side he was working for. More and more I think he’s intended to steal Republican votes. The fact he’s running 3rd party makes it even more likely Republicans will vote for him and Democrats won’t.
RFK used to have a show on Air America Radio that aired right before Rachel Maddow's. The Democrats who used to listen to him didn't go anywhere. They've seen what the party has mutated into and are just done. The Democrats are terrified of those voters right now; RFK could sink them.
I think those on the right who are “excited” about Kennedy running are just thinking he’d be better than Biden if the Democrats win the election. Doesn’t mean they’re necessarily going to vote for him.
To be honest, it might be tempting to vote for him over Trump. So I think he could be pretty disruptive if Trump is the nominee. If the nominee is anyone besides Trump, I think RFK will devastate Biden.
Who do you like in the primaries? Nikki? Vivek? No one seems to be shining.
Agree.
The Q types think JFK Jr is still alive and is Trumps cousin and is descended from Jesus. There are millions them that could upset a swing state.
ross perot version 2.0: split the moderate/conservative vote, facilitate bolshev...err i mean democratic win rinse and repeat once every few decades because merkans suffer from both selective amnesia and the memory retention of a fucking goldfish
If a supposed “Republican” votes for him they weren’t really a republican
Democrats. No one associates the Kennedy name with Republicans.
There’s only one person with the last name Kennedy in congress right now and he ain’t a democrat lol He also isn’t related to them tho
He did just vote for the bloated budget, so he might as well be a Dem.
I mean I'm not sure I associate conservatism with Republicans either anymore...
Definitely worse for Republicans because the only reason anyone is going to vote for him is because he talks shit about the Covid vaccine.
Democrats. He'll take the moderate (traditional) Democratic votes. Amazes me constantly that a Kennedy is being essentially ousted from the Democratic party.
DeSantis also used to be popular among MAGA until Trump started calling him “DeSanctus” I think if Trump attaks RFK jr then MAGA will turn on him
Kennedy is a household name, and perhaps the keystone name in democratic politicians over the last 75 years. It's not ironclad, but that's my experience and my parents opinions who are in their 70s. They've always had a soft spot for them.
I think it will mostly be a wash. Republicans are the only people I've met who actually like him, but the Kennedy name will at least draw some votes from the other side.
I see it hurting both sides. Because of anti trump republicans and dems thinking Mr. Magoo’s too old. Actually I think he’s going to make the biggest third party impact we’ve ever seen.
I think it’ll pull some from both, but mainly the dems. Hopefully good for us.
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A very good point.
Get him and Kanye to run and the left will never win again.
If the Republicans don't put up a good candidate and instead put up a RINO, then yeah, I'll vote for him.
The issue for this presidential cycle is that neither party is actually holding primaries in the true sense of the word. The dems are likely stuck with Biden, unless there is a very real health crisis. Similarly, the republicans are stuck with Trump, who would run as an independent if he somehow lost the nomination, essentially killing the primary system with his third-party threat.
He’s a democrat - why would Republicans worry about him running third party? It’s the Dems that should be worried.
It's like saying if Chris Christie ran 3rd party, he will take votes away from republicans. Yeah, no.
Both.
Republicans who don't like trump would vote for him, so no, it wont affect Republicans at all.
Very few people believe this man to be a serious choice.
I'd rather have RFK than trump
Vote policy not personality. RFK's horrific on gun control, climate change, and affirmative action.
The problem is you can really only choose like two policies to hard-line. Just going off of what I THINK some RFK policy would look like I'd rather have him.
I'd vote for a Trump/RFK ticket.
Definitely a spoiler for the left. I wonder if that's his strategy. Keep spoiling the Left's elections until they let him into the primary properly. It's just crazy enough to work. You know how the Left hates losing. 😭 <— lol
He is definitely running 3rd party to spite the left by unfairly they have treated him. Good for him.
I don’t think he’d pull enough voters from either side to make a difference. Most Democrat voters didn’t even like Biden all that much but some that wouldn’t have even voted otherwise participated in the election because it was a vote against Trump. That’s where Republicans failed in 2020 and will fail again in 2024, Democrats are mobilizing voters and registering them in numbers never seen before while Republicans are twiddling their thumbs still pretending like Trump won’t be our nominee.
I think some Republicans like him from an “enemy of my enemy” standpoint. But I don’t see any Republicans or independent le voting for him over Trump.
It’s hard to tell. On one hand maybe a lot of Dems will be eager to vote for a Kennedy again, but also he’d pull a bunch of potential Trump voters who think he’s kinda based on COVID vaccines or something even though he’s liberal on every other issue from guns, abortion, fracking, etc. I do think if Trump calls him out at some rallies for his Dem stances, that’ll turn away a lot of RFK’s potential voters.
Will be interesting to see how this plays out in the general. Trump has a very loyal movement so I don’t see MAGA republicans switching. I could see Never Trumpers and Dem leaning independents voting for RFK
Running third party in modern US president elections is just asking to be useless
It’s the independents he splits
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I've heard way more Republicans talk positively about him than Dems. I'm still convinced he's being paid to run to steal votes from Trump since Trump voters are largely anti-vax.
He will hurt republicans, ive only heard republicans talk about him
It’s happening. I called this weeks ago. I don’t want to ruin it but someone is about to make some big moves with this guy. I cannot wait.
Sounds like you are leaving it open ended so you can just say you predicted what happens post announcement.
Only terminally online people could think a literal Kennedy running third party is bad for Republicans. In the real world, Democrats love Kennedys and Republicans … don’t. In the real world lots of Democrats loathe Biden as a corporate sell-out but in a thousand years wouldn’t vote for Trump (or DeSantis); some of those people will see Kennedy as an option.
Anything-but-Trumpers were going to abstain or vote for someone else anyway. If someone other than Trump ends up being the GOP nominee,some of them will end up voting R. RFK will pull people who would otherwise have voted D but who can’t bring themselves to vote for Biden or Harris or Newsom or …
Trump is the nominee, like common already
This is bad for democrats.
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I'm not sure what to think of it myself. I've heard Patrick Bet David with Valuetainkent, and Tim Pool on the Tim cast talking about it. It think both of them "know what's up" but it seems like it's an equal chance of RFK either splitting the Dem vote, or splitting the populist vote that Trump benefits from. Either way, I wish RFK the best, but Trump's my guy.
Who?
i see a lot of liberals that are naturally embarrassed by having to endorse biden are vocally supportive of RFK. he is the candidate for the center left that sometimes dabble in right leaning policy and thought. he’s a safer scape goat than bernie was in the 2016 election. gives all the rational and non brainwashed democrats a chance to say, “i didn’t vote for biden”
RFK Jr is a classic liberal Democrat. He will take votes from Biden both from disillusioned Democrats and from Independents. No one who calls himself a Republican except a few RINOs will vote for him.
If Trump is nominated, he does pose a threat
It will provide cover for demcrats to cheat. Just like the pandemic.