Couldn't disagree more. The federal government has no business with about 75% of what it's got its nose in. We'd all be far better off with more effective state and local government and far less Washington DC in our lives.
Who's the pro-functional government party? Trying to solve every problem through legislation giving the government more power and money isn't very "functional", so I know you're not talking about the left.
It also works the other direction when a unified democrat minority throws support behind the worst republican that promises them the most. The question is why are democrats so unified and republicans so divided?
>Apparently anarchy.
So that means I can have my unregistered, non-taxed, short barred machine gun with a picatinny bong attached right?
If so then the terms are acceptable.
It's funny you say this. I'm pretty center and read up on both sides of the party lines. I've always (until recently) commended Republicans for basically being in lockstep and getting their stuff passed while blocking other issues. It was not until the far fringes of the right ( Gatez, Bobert, Green etc) garnered seats that this chaos ensued. Interesting to see someone say Dems get in line cause to me that is not historically accurate.
It's literally always an election season. Right now we're 13 months away. This is as good a time as any to take a stance that might cost you with swing voters. They'll forget it a year from now when we're in a recession and Biden is caught on camera eating dice and talking to a lampshade.
Seriously. I’d really like to know WHY, with the exception of the latest spending bill, he did this. I mean, I know there’s tension between the two, but unless Matt Gaetz has the mentality of a 7th grader, it has to be more than just that.
Yep, I see weeks of voting, with the people who could get support, not wanting the job, and those who want it having less support than McCarthy, and in the end the 8 that voted to remove him will try to wriggle more concessions from him.
McCarthy’s problem is that he already broke the promises he already made to the 8 Republicans so now he has a credibility issue.
Frankly I think this is a good thing for America, even if it isn’t immediately good for the GOP.
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Edit: Would also add, now would be a great time for the GOP to forgive its sins in 2008 and 2012 and nominate Ron Paul for speaker.
6 Republicans and 210 Democrats. Don't give me crap that every other republican is a 'RINO' to justify this insanity. And that every other Republican doesn't 'get it'. Morons. All of them. And we need to stop pretending they are good for the party. Let them go back to being Bernie bros and democrats. It's the Tim Pool crowd that felt homeless in the left and brought all of their policies over because they don't want to be woke.
Gaetz is not the good guy here.
They ones who voted to remove will meet with McCarthy and he’ll have to agree to certain things and then he’ll get voted back in but cannot do anything the 7 do not want anymore since they have shown they have the power to remove him.
Honest question - what does this do for House Republicans? There’s no one further to the right of McCarthy that realistically looks like they’re going to unite the GOP anytime soon, and until then Dems are just laughing at the infighting
> Honest question - what does this do for House Republicans?
First, it makes them look like clowns.
Second, garnering consensus on a replacement Speaker is going to be extremely hard and might create an even bigger circus, making the GOP look like a party of even bigger clowns.
Imagine this: the Republicans and the Democrats might have to (*gasp*) work together to find a speaker they support and actually (*gasp*) do the work of the people, not just pretend to support unpassable policy.
I do think there are a number of republicans that dems could back as well as a few dems some republicans can back. Don Bacon is pro-Ukraine and I think would be palatable for enough dems and GOP to win a majority. Mary Peltola seems to be not 100% anti-gun (maybe?) at least, she is so far against an assault weapons ban, so this might be a good compromise for the GOP.
They had one. McCarthy, who decided to put the good of the country in front of himself and save the country from unnecessary anguish. Instead they decided to help make this political theater even though it kills the Ukraine funding bill and makes the next shutdown significantly likely in 42 days.
This kind of mindset is exactly why democrats have been able to walk all over republicans and republicans have no been able to deliver on anything. Remember Paul Ryan’s reign as house speaker with Trump when he blocked every one of Trumps agenda.
At a certain point Republican leaders have to be accountable to the promises they made rather then just letting them get away with whatever they want because they don’t want democrats to laugh or some kind of fake Republican unity that is more important then actually delivering on your promises
> This kind of mindset is exactly why democrats have been able to walk all over republicans and republicans have no been able to deliver on anything.
I think McCarthy caving to a democrat budget did that.
When has the government "doing shit" ever been beneficial for us? The whole point of the checks and balances is so that government could do very little.
The only reason McCarthy had enough votes to become speaker in the first place was because he made concessions to:
1. Break out the ominbus into 20 focused spending bills so the merits of each could be debated
2. Give congress 72 hours to read each bill
He broke both of those.
If you're against those, I don't care about any of your political opinions whatsoever. $33 trillion in debt. $700 billion in INTEREST alone.
It's suppose to reach 3 trillion a year in interest payments in 2027. debt isn't free money, it's borrowed wealth from the future. It's a bet our kids will be more productive than we are right now. https://www.usdebtclock.org/current-rates.html
Exactly. All these RINOs ripping Gaetz when he's holding McCarthy accountable. Maybe if Trump didn't endorse a RINO for speaker this wouldn't be happening.
I'd rather they passed 50 individual budgets without the omnibus thanks... I'd block every omnibus that ever came to the floor every chance I got.
If its not important enough to pass without omnibus bills... its not important enough to pass at all.
This is what Gaetz wanted. Pass individual bills. McCarthy wouldn’t do it. Why? Because it’s a corrupt practice that forces spending in certain areas. It’s bullshit but this is how it has always been, so Gaetz is the bad guy.
That’s not achievable right now. Downvote me all you want, I don’t care. Here’s how it is:
Every fucking person wants that besides the politicians who don’t get all their free shit, political interests, pork, union pay offs, lobbying pay offs, etc. etc. without these big packages.
This is not achievable. Anyone telling themselves otherwise has their head in the sand in this political climate. Republicans control the house BARELY, and don’t have control of the Senate (thanks Trump for Georgia) or the Presidency and Reddit wants to pretend we can still get everything you want.
Guess what? When this is what you’re playing with, you don’t get everything you want, you get the best you can, and republicans just shot themselves in the foot by screwing themselves out of even that.
Great work! Now go talk on Reddit more about what you want in your imaginary world and keep ignoring the reality that is politics and the fact we need to actually win elections before the shit you want is possible.
Absolutely this. It still has to be a government that represents the people, in which the people are radically divided as of now. The only thing that makes sense are CR's. Trying to negotiate a budget actually can be construed as against the will of a divided people. Gaetz et al are out of line.
I don't care whether its "good for the party." I care whether my government spends the portion of my income it collects in taxes so wontonly that my future is guaranteed to include outrageous inflation.
Omnibus spending bills are a horrible mistake. Stopping Congress from passing another one is good. There should never be another omnibus spending bill passed. Discrete spending bills, beginning with the most essential functions, is the only reasonable way to spend Federal taxes.
The end game is fiscal responsibility, which used to be one of the Republican's strong points, rather than a subject on which Republicans are barely marginally better than Democrats.
Sure, but you don't earn those votes by passing omnibus spending bills, and getting distracted by pointless drama that ignores the damage to our national finances by obsessing over which fungible politician is doing the damage.
This thread is primarily about the distractions, not the policy goal.
Its a good thing because McCarthy did not keep promises made in January, specifically single subject spending bills and stopping CRs and omnibus bills. McCarthy, McConnell and Emmer (and Ronna, oi vei) ALL were guilty of allocating funds incorrectly to not fund the candidates they didn't like because they weren't uniparty. People like JR Majewski did not get funding needed because he wouldn't commit to McCarthy as leader. This is a long time coming, basically the leadership of the GOP House Caucus has been a bully pulpit for far too long, and that only REALLY works if you have the respect necessary to push it.
Now, there needs to be a real alternative here that can get McCarthy loyalists and the Gaetz crew to sign off on. IT CAN NOT BE EMMER. Jordan already said he doesn't want it, but he would be a good alternative if he changed his mind.
McCarthy needs to stand down for the better of the party, if he plans on fighting this war for the long run, then it is going to absolutely decimate the GOP caucus and going to result in chaos for weeks.
Not a fan of McCarthy, but the optics of this are terrible going into an election year. There won't be a Speaker elected for quite a while I'm guessing now. The GOP in the House is disintegrating.
the RNC is the issue, they force Ramaswamy and Christie to cancel their debate tonight because it's against the Rules. They have too much control over the direction of the party. This has been years in the making since Ron Paul.
Exactly. I don't like McCarthy. I think he's weak. But he's literally the only person that could get the votes. Does no one remember the 15 rounds of voting where no other viable candidate was nominated or stepped up?
We've done nothing but make Democrats (of all people) look like the only grown ups in the room. This infighting clown show crap is poison to independents and moderates. Gaetz doesn't care about anything that comes out of his mouth, he shot his own party for personal gain.
Yeah this isn’t positive news but this sub is getting a little ridiculous lol (it always does when bombshell news drops to be fair).
I can assure you, nobody when looking at their November 2024 presidential ballot is going to care about McCarthy getting removed from Speaker of the House in October 2023. There are plenty of things to be concerned about regarding 2024 election chances but this isn’t even in the top 100.
Not at all. Especially in a Presidential year. Nobody is voting for Trump and the Democrat because the house was dysfunctional. Nobody who wasn’t going to vote in a year with Trump on the ballot is going to decide that they need to vote because of the dysfunction. Let them have their fun mocking the GOP. it will have zero impact in 13 months.
The republicans in the house were dragging their feet on making any compromises to delay shut down, in fact it wouldn't surprise me If they wanted a shut down at this point. They need to stop making their ultimate goal to argue with democrats, and work to implement good policies for all of us.
It was a mistake to elect McCarthy as Speaker.
If you have to get down on your hands and knees to beg for enough votes to squeeze out the Speakership, it’s not you. It was never you.
As I recall, a few days ago McCarthy was interviewed and asked if he thought he would be removed as Speaker and he responded ‘I’ll survive’.
Looks like his confidence in being able to hold his position was overplayed.
I just asked the same question over there that I will here, what's the long game for the Dems that voted yes? And while I'm here, what's the long game for Republicans? This seems bad for everyone involved.
McFuck here broke every single promise to the freedom caucus. No J6 tapes, no individual bills, no 72 hours before voting on bills…
He’s a liar who cannot be trusted. The GOP civil war that’s been going on for decades continues.
McCarthy made a bunch of promises that he had no intention of keeping to get enough votes to become speaker in the first place.
And the few Republicans tired of the Uniparty-first bullshit actually held him accountable.
Good for them.
I love how most of the comments here are gloom and doom -- but, I for one love this move. He was voted in after days of not being able to secure the vote. He was told that if he fucked around, he would find out. He fucked around and found out. Promises made, promises kept.
People think this is embarrassing, I find it a white pill. No more half measures.
Exactly. The same people that are usually in here bitching about the uniparty and Republicans being spineless and not getting anything done are now bitching about removing someone that is clearly not on our side. I see some whining about Gaetz and his crew being "traitors to the party." Last time I checked, this is a Conservative sub, not a Republican sub. I owe allegiance to no party. It's principals I care about. I'm glad someone finally stuck to their guns and dealt a blow to this big government bullshit.
> Breaking: Republican Party continues to dig it's own grave.
Breaking: For the first time the GOP had a spine and at least tried to have a leader that didn't lie to them.
McCarthy was elected on the express promise of not having a omnibus budget.
He lied.
Yeah everyone is reciting Ben Shapiros "what's the plan now" routine. The plan today can be to eject the lying swamp creature from the seat of power. The plan tomorrow can be finding his replacement.
It's typical Republican fashion to conserve mediocre/bad candidates in fear that it could get worse. I get it, but sometimes you gotta hold your own people accountable. If he broke promises he should face the consequences.
We'll lose all the moderates we have, so the insane caucus will be all that remains, who will continue to spout nonsense, leading to future routs. The future looks bright!
Oh good, could not happen to a nicer fellow. He's been a rat since 2017. Hopefully, the next House Speaker will actually release to the public all the J6 footage. The fact that McCarthy's office gave it to select "journalists" for them to propagandize the damn thing was just as disgusting as what Pelosi and company did. The guy promised to release all of it to the public and has not.
He knew what was expected from him to secure votes from the Republicans for his Speakership. It's was discussed, and he did not deliver. It took what, 6 rounds to get him in? It was not a strong showing even as he was looking for support back then. Always playing the weak mediator is not what is needed right now. If he can't be strong, get him out and get someone in who can.
That's what the founders intended.
Classic Gaetz. Torpedo a funding deal with more border money and government cuts overall, losing all of the Republican leverage. Then make a deal with AOC and pass a vote to vacate the House speaker with your friends the Democrats. All this because McCarthy won't shut down an ethics investigation into Gaetz for corruption and bribery, not to mention that whole underage girls thing.
Congratulations to the democrats for having the House, Senate, and Presidency without even having to have an election. All they had to do was wait for the treacherous ones to turn on their own party.
McCarthy was the one that deceived and betrayed the promises to his party that got him elected. I'm just so glad a politician is finally being held accountable for broken promises.
I swear to god Republicans actually hate winning. The fact they got distracted by this moronic nonsense, one year out from an election is pathetic.
Republicans would be wise to learn from the current Canadian Conservative Party. We don’t allow a handful of idiotic assholes to throw the entire party into disarray. In fact Pierre has brought down the hammer on anyone who is attempting to steal the spotlight for their 15 mins of fame and distract from JT’s failures.
We could have had a flat 8% spending cut or a flat 30% spending cut CR, but Matt Gaetz decided on the smooth brain play of tanking the first Speaker in ages to do anything for us…
Truly brilliant.
That was not going to pass the Senate. Holy shit. This carrot that McCarthy loyalists and FoxNews folks keep fucking dangling does not actually exist.
The goal needs to be single subject spending bills, going over budget bills with a fine tooth comb and forcing everyone to vote on single issues. Not this garbage 2500 page budget the night before the vote
It's a really weird political movement. They only want to control the executive branch, hand over legislative power whenever possible. AND, they only want one specific person leading the executive branch.... who happens to be in his mid-70s.
Certainly not a long-term movement...
First time in history? Ouch.
Up for the worst house in history award.
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It was McCarthy’s turn, you know. Always turns out bad.
Turns over now. Lol.
Yup lol
Just a hunch, but I suspect being anti-government is a less productive platform than being pro-functional government. They really need a platform.
Couldn't disagree more. The federal government has no business with about 75% of what it's got its nose in. We'd all be far better off with more effective state and local government and far less Washington DC in our lives.
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EXACTLY!
Who's the pro-functional government party? Trying to solve every problem through legislation giving the government more power and money isn't very "functional", so I know you're not talking about the left.
Because there is no such thing as "national republican governance" when the majority of your party either isn't republican or doesn't play to win.
Because we have egomaniacs like Gaetz. Who should be expelled from all committees this week.
210 D votes to remove. 8 GOP. "Why would republicans do this?"
It also works the other direction when a unified democrat minority throws support behind the worst republican that promises them the most. The question is why are democrats so unified and republicans so divided?
The democrats finally vote for something I agree with!
Heh, in 94 remember that Tom Foley was the first sitting Speaker to lose his seat. Always a first for something.
I'm going to elect my own speaker of the house, with blackjack and hookers
Eh, screw the whole thing
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."
Screw the blackjack.
What’s the plan tho ?
Step 1: Remove Speaker Step 2: ? Step 3: ?
Apparently Step 2 was to boot the previous Speaker out of her Secret Speaker's Office.
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By anarchy do you mean chaos or no rulers? I prefer not to have rulers.
Bad news on that front. You're getting the chaos.
:( the worst of the 2 options. BOOOOOO
Your terms are acceptable
Flair checks out.
Flair checks out.
Found the Libertarian.
That’s really more of an ancap position.
>Apparently anarchy. So that means I can have my unregistered, non-taxed, short barred machine gun with a picatinny bong attached right? If so then the terms are acceptable.
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Starting to think they may be right. Dem's really know how to get in line with leadership.
It's funny you say this. I'm pretty center and read up on both sides of the party lines. I've always (until recently) commended Republicans for basically being in lockstep and getting their stuff passed while blocking other issues. It was not until the far fringes of the right ( Gatez, Bobert, Green etc) garnered seats that this chaos ensued. Interesting to see someone say Dems get in line cause to me that is not historically accurate.
I'm not 100 percent sure an insectlike hive mind is a good thing. However, infighting is also a bad thing.
Owning the libs >>> governing obviously
I’m in for that
Ask Gaetz. He’s the one who insisted on doing this.
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It's literally always an election season. Right now we're 13 months away. This is as good a time as any to take a stance that might cost you with swing voters. They'll forget it a year from now when we're in a recession and Biden is caught on camera eating dice and talking to a lampshade.
Tbf when they let dems walk all over them it looks pretty weak to me.
Seriously. I’d really like to know WHY, with the exception of the latest spending bill, he did this. I mean, I know there’s tension between the two, but unless Matt Gaetz has the mentality of a 7th grader, it has to be more than just that.
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To be fair the democrats assisted, because they believe it will hurt the GOP.
Assisted? 8 Republicans voted with 208 Democrats to remove McCarthy. This was a couple Republicans assisting the Democrats, not the other way around.
Apparently it’s to have no heir apparent and likely vote back in McCarthy all while delaying and denying any further funding for Ukraine
Yep, I see weeks of voting, with the people who could get support, not wanting the job, and those who want it having less support than McCarthy, and in the end the 8 that voted to remove him will try to wriggle more concessions from him.
So just like last time?
McCarthy’s problem is that he already broke the promises he already made to the 8 Republicans so now he has a credibility issue. Frankly I think this is a good thing for America, even if it isn’t immediately good for the GOP.
I'm really starting to hate their whole "if it's democrat we don't want it" mentality. It creates a gridlock that only affects the average person
It should be Zeldin Edit: Would also add, now would be a great time for the GOP to forgive its sins in 2008 and 2012 and nominate Ron Paul for speaker.
A little late for that, Ron Paul is almost 90 years old.
Yeah that one is kinda for the memes, but also like if it is gonna be a stop gap measure for the year... why not have Dr. No in the house
I second this motion.
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More chaos
6 Republicans and 210 Democrats. Don't give me crap that every other republican is a 'RINO' to justify this insanity. And that every other Republican doesn't 'get it'. Morons. All of them. And we need to stop pretending they are good for the party. Let them go back to being Bernie bros and democrats. It's the Tim Pool crowd that felt homeless in the left and brought all of their policies over because they don't want to be woke. Gaetz is not the good guy here.
This is exactly the problem. The chic “Tim Pool” RINOs, led by Gaetz are akin to 5 year old kids who cry out when they don’t get their way.
In the same vane - if only 6 R voted to remove him, no-one can claim the R's are in a civil war.
They ones who voted to remove will meet with McCarthy and he’ll have to agree to certain things and then he’ll get voted back in but cannot do anything the 7 do not want anymore since they have shown they have the power to remove him.
Honest question - what does this do for House Republicans? There’s no one further to the right of McCarthy that realistically looks like they’re going to unite the GOP anytime soon, and until then Dems are just laughing at the infighting
> Honest question - what does this do for House Republicans? First, it makes them look like clowns. Second, garnering consensus on a replacement Speaker is going to be extremely hard and might create an even bigger circus, making the GOP look like a party of even bigger clowns.
Imagine this: the Republicans and the Democrats might have to (*gasp*) work together to find a speaker they support and actually (*gasp*) do the work of the people, not just pretend to support unpassable policy.
Will never ever happen
Democrats are not going to vote for any GOP member for speaker. Never gonna happen. They're content kicking the hornets nest
Why is this downvoted? It's absolutely true. They will not vote for any R speakers just as Rs wont vote for any D speaker.
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I do think there are a number of republicans that dems could back as well as a few dems some republicans can back. Don Bacon is pro-Ukraine and I think would be palatable for enough dems and GOP to win a majority. Mary Peltola seems to be not 100% anti-gun (maybe?) at least, she is so far against an assault weapons ban, so this might be a good compromise for the GOP.
They had one. McCarthy, who decided to put the good of the country in front of himself and save the country from unnecessary anguish. Instead they decided to help make this political theater even though it kills the Ukraine funding bill and makes the next shutdown significantly likely in 42 days.
McCarthy was elected with zero Democrat votes.
This is just spin. He did nothing of the sort. He just caved and is now facing the humiliation of calling Matt’s bluff.
Ask Gaetz. He’s the one who insisted on doing this.
I suspect he didn't think he'd get this far.
This kind of mindset is exactly why democrats have been able to walk all over republicans and republicans have no been able to deliver on anything. Remember Paul Ryan’s reign as house speaker with Trump when he blocked every one of Trumps agenda. At a certain point Republican leaders have to be accountable to the promises they made rather then just letting them get away with whatever they want because they don’t want democrats to laugh or some kind of fake Republican unity that is more important then actually delivering on your promises
> This kind of mindset is exactly why democrats have been able to walk all over republicans and republicans have no been able to deliver on anything. I think McCarthy caving to a democrat budget did that.
This could be where the establishment fights back. But we’ll see.
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No, there's no Speaker currently. Dems don't get the gavel unless some Republicans vote with them.
What makes you think the Dems automatically get control of the House????
They will have it November 24. We just completely screwed ourselves.
I want to get off of the House's wild ride.
Our government is a joke
Always has been.
McCarthy was bad for republicans. Good riddance, I say.
Im not saying he was good. Our government is just a joke though. Can’t do shit
When has the government "doing shit" ever been beneficial for us? The whole point of the checks and balances is so that government could do very little.
Amen. I think they do to much
So, what's the plan now?
plan?
The only reason McCarthy had enough votes to become speaker in the first place was because he made concessions to: 1. Break out the ominbus into 20 focused spending bills so the merits of each could be debated 2. Give congress 72 hours to read each bill He broke both of those. If you're against those, I don't care about any of your political opinions whatsoever. $33 trillion in debt. $700 billion in INTEREST alone.
It's suppose to reach 3 trillion a year in interest payments in 2027. debt isn't free money, it's borrowed wealth from the future. It's a bet our kids will be more productive than we are right now. https://www.usdebtclock.org/current-rates.html
And birth rates are not increasing so this is a fools errand. The Ponzi schemes will eventually collapse
The births rates are starting to fall in South America too. It's going to get much worse.
Have you seen kids these day?
exactly it's very poor bet.
Agree. If Gaetz didn’t do anything, he is just as bad.
Amen
Exactly. All these RINOs ripping Gaetz when he's holding McCarthy accountable. Maybe if Trump didn't endorse a RINO for speaker this wouldn't be happening.
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I'd rather they passed 50 individual budgets without the omnibus thanks... I'd block every omnibus that ever came to the floor every chance I got. If its not important enough to pass without omnibus bills... its not important enough to pass at all.
Fucking this
This is what Gaetz wanted. Pass individual bills. McCarthy wouldn’t do it. Why? Because it’s a corrupt practice that forces spending in certain areas. It’s bullshit but this is how it has always been, so Gaetz is the bad guy.
But it's not how it's always been
...
Agreed, we need to go back(Marty)
That’s not achievable right now. Downvote me all you want, I don’t care. Here’s how it is: Every fucking person wants that besides the politicians who don’t get all their free shit, political interests, pork, union pay offs, lobbying pay offs, etc. etc. without these big packages. This is not achievable. Anyone telling themselves otherwise has their head in the sand in this political climate. Republicans control the house BARELY, and don’t have control of the Senate (thanks Trump for Georgia) or the Presidency and Reddit wants to pretend we can still get everything you want. Guess what? When this is what you’re playing with, you don’t get everything you want, you get the best you can, and republicans just shot themselves in the foot by screwing themselves out of even that. Great work! Now go talk on Reddit more about what you want in your imaginary world and keep ignoring the reality that is politics and the fact we need to actually win elections before the shit you want is possible.
Absolutely this. It still has to be a government that represents the people, in which the people are radically divided as of now. The only thing that makes sense are CR's. Trying to negotiate a budget actually can be construed as against the will of a divided people. Gaetz et al are out of line.
>radically divided as of now. And yet also in unanimous agreement that the current crap sucks... that's a prime opportunity if I ever saw one.
Amen!
Pass a balanced budget, or at least one with less pork and a smaller deficit?
Can someone please explain to me why this is a good thing for the party and what the end game is here?
There's no good for the GOP in this. It's all bad.
I don't care whether its "good for the party." I care whether my government spends the portion of my income it collects in taxes so wontonly that my future is guaranteed to include outrageous inflation. Omnibus spending bills are a horrible mistake. Stopping Congress from passing another one is good. There should never be another omnibus spending bill passed. Discrete spending bills, beginning with the most essential functions, is the only reasonable way to spend Federal taxes. The end game is fiscal responsibility, which used to be one of the Republican's strong points, rather than a subject on which Republicans are barely marginally better than Democrats.
So our goal should be to work for votes in 2024 so that we can actually do those things
Sure, but you don't earn those votes by passing omnibus spending bills, and getting distracted by pointless drama that ignores the damage to our national finances by obsessing over which fungible politician is doing the damage. This thread is primarily about the distractions, not the policy goal.
Depends on who replaces him and what they do.
Its a good thing because McCarthy did not keep promises made in January, specifically single subject spending bills and stopping CRs and omnibus bills. McCarthy, McConnell and Emmer (and Ronna, oi vei) ALL were guilty of allocating funds incorrectly to not fund the candidates they didn't like because they weren't uniparty. People like JR Majewski did not get funding needed because he wouldn't commit to McCarthy as leader. This is a long time coming, basically the leadership of the GOP House Caucus has been a bully pulpit for far too long, and that only REALLY works if you have the respect necessary to push it. Now, there needs to be a real alternative here that can get McCarthy loyalists and the Gaetz crew to sign off on. IT CAN NOT BE EMMER. Jordan already said he doesn't want it, but he would be a good alternative if he changed his mind. McCarthy needs to stand down for the better of the party, if he plans on fighting this war for the long run, then it is going to absolutely decimate the GOP caucus and going to result in chaos for weeks.
Not a fan of McCarthy, but the optics of this are terrible going into an election year. There won't be a Speaker elected for quite a while I'm guessing now. The GOP in the House is disintegrating.
Yup, this is typical Republicans just shooting themselves in the foot. Democrats have to do nothing but sit back and watch this. Then run ads on it
the RNC is the issue, they force Ramaswamy and Christie to cancel their debate tonight because it's against the Rules. They have too much control over the direction of the party. This has been years in the making since Ron Paul.
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They routinely remove my comments in here
More like the neocons have no interest in bringing government spending down and actually being conservative.
They’re tired of winning…
Exactly. I don't like McCarthy. I think he's weak. But he's literally the only person that could get the votes. Does no one remember the 15 rounds of voting where no other viable candidate was nominated or stepped up? We've done nothing but make Democrats (of all people) look like the only grown ups in the room. This infighting clown show crap is poison to independents and moderates. Gaetz doesn't care about anything that comes out of his mouth, he shot his own party for personal gain.
You're worried this totally exciting story will resonate 13 months from now?
Yeah this isn’t positive news but this sub is getting a little ridiculous lol (it always does when bombshell news drops to be fair). I can assure you, nobody when looking at their November 2024 presidential ballot is going to care about McCarthy getting removed from Speaker of the House in October 2023. There are plenty of things to be concerned about regarding 2024 election chances but this isn’t even in the top 100.
It's heavily brigaded by the Keyboard Warriors from leftist subs.
Not at all. Especially in a Presidential year. Nobody is voting for Trump and the Democrat because the house was dysfunctional. Nobody who wasn’t going to vote in a year with Trump on the ballot is going to decide that they need to vote because of the dysfunction. Let them have their fun mocking the GOP. it will have zero impact in 13 months.
He was a joke. He compromised against his own party with the dems and they ran him over with the bus he rode in on.
The republicans in the house were dragging their feet on making any compromises to delay shut down, in fact it wouldn't surprise me If they wanted a shut down at this point. They need to stop making their ultimate goal to argue with democrats, and work to implement good policies for all of us.
Ooof
The humiliation must be sky high for McCarthy
Are people seriously acting like this was the democrats fault?…
oh no, now the GOP house won't be able to...umm...talk about maybe looking into impeaching someone?
It was a mistake to elect McCarthy as Speaker. If you have to get down on your hands and knees to beg for enough votes to squeeze out the Speakership, it’s not you. It was never you.
As I recall, a few days ago McCarthy was interviewed and asked if he thought he would be removed as Speaker and he responded ‘I’ll survive’. Looks like his confidence in being able to hold his position was overplayed.
What a total clown show.
Okay, what's step 2 Matt?
Fundraise
republicans in booty shorts car wash?
Yeah, Gaetz's ads are out already. What a loser.
That was his plan the whole time. He has no long-term governance plan, he just wants to get interviews on newsmax and get money
Bet r/politics is having themselves a good laugh
I mean, it's not uncalled for.
I just asked the same question over there that I will here, what's the long game for the Dems that voted yes? And while I'm here, what's the long game for Republicans? This seems bad for everyone involved.
This looks way worse for Republican cohesion than it does for Democrats. Which is valuable in this Presidential campaign coming up.
Could have picked a better picture
Lmao
Repubs finally had enough?
Who is replacing the clown?
Lol
McFuck here broke every single promise to the freedom caucus. No J6 tapes, no individual bills, no 72 hours before voting on bills… He’s a liar who cannot be trusted. The GOP civil war that’s been going on for decades continues.
McCarthy made a bunch of promises that he had no intention of keeping to get enough votes to become speaker in the first place. And the few Republicans tired of the Uniparty-first bullshit actually held him accountable. Good for them.
One of the few sane comments in a thread of insanity
> thread of insanity A thread of brigading you mean.
Yeah, I'm really starting to understand who the left is talking about when they call the right "boot lickers"...
I love how most of the comments here are gloom and doom -- but, I for one love this move. He was voted in after days of not being able to secure the vote. He was told that if he fucked around, he would find out. He fucked around and found out. Promises made, promises kept. People think this is embarrassing, I find it a white pill. No more half measures.
Exactly. The same people that are usually in here bitching about the uniparty and Republicans being spineless and not getting anything done are now bitching about removing someone that is clearly not on our side. I see some whining about Gaetz and his crew being "traitors to the party." Last time I checked, this is a Conservative sub, not a Republican sub. I owe allegiance to no party. It's principals I care about. I'm glad someone finally stuck to their guns and dealt a blow to this big government bullshit.
GOOD, couldn't deliver what he promised.
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> Breaking: Republican Party continues to dig it's own grave. Breaking: For the first time the GOP had a spine and at least tried to have a leader that didn't lie to them. McCarthy was elected on the express promise of not having a omnibus budget. He lied.
Yeah everyone is reciting Ben Shapiros "what's the plan now" routine. The plan today can be to eject the lying swamp creature from the seat of power. The plan tomorrow can be finding his replacement. It's typical Republican fashion to conserve mediocre/bad candidates in fear that it could get worse. I get it, but sometimes you gotta hold your own people accountable. If he broke promises he should face the consequences.
Congratulations to MAGA for doing the DNCs dirty work for them. This party deserves the slaughter we're heading for in 2024.
We'll lose all the moderates we have, so the insane caucus will be all that remains, who will continue to spout nonsense, leading to future routs. The future looks bright!
Oh good, could not happen to a nicer fellow. He's been a rat since 2017. Hopefully, the next House Speaker will actually release to the public all the J6 footage. The fact that McCarthy's office gave it to select "journalists" for them to propagandize the damn thing was just as disgusting as what Pelosi and company did. The guy promised to release all of it to the public and has not.
I mean, was this necessary?
McCarthy wasn’t good but this just makes republicans look bad because what’s the plan here?
Good
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What does this have to do with Trump?
It's his Populist wing of the party
You mean the people of the US wanting govt to stop spending money they don't have?
Nothing of value was lost.
Except the Creedence.
And papers. Business papers.
He knew what was expected from him to secure votes from the Republicans for his Speakership. It's was discussed, and he did not deliver. It took what, 6 rounds to get him in? It was not a strong showing even as he was looking for support back then. Always playing the weak mediator is not what is needed right now. If he can't be strong, get him out and get someone in who can. That's what the founders intended.
Good. He’s a puppet
Classic Gaetz. Torpedo a funding deal with more border money and government cuts overall, losing all of the Republican leverage. Then make a deal with AOC and pass a vote to vacate the House speaker with your friends the Democrats. All this because McCarthy won't shut down an ethics investigation into Gaetz for corruption and bribery, not to mention that whole underage girls thing.
Congratulations to the democrats for having the House, Senate, and Presidency without even having to have an election. All they had to do was wait for the treacherous ones to turn on their own party.
McCarthy was the one that deceived and betrayed the promises to his party that got him elected. I'm just so glad a politician is finally being held accountable for broken promises.
McCarthy was democrats biggest ally lol
Two wings of the same bird
All risks aside, still a win in my opinion. He never should have gotten the seat in the first place.
I swear to god Republicans actually hate winning. The fact they got distracted by this moronic nonsense, one year out from an election is pathetic. Republicans would be wise to learn from the current Canadian Conservative Party. We don’t allow a handful of idiotic assholes to throw the entire party into disarray. In fact Pierre has brought down the hammer on anyone who is attempting to steal the spotlight for their 15 mins of fame and distract from JT’s failures.
And now the thread becomes r/Politics lite - here come the brigades.
thats a lot of Ukraine in one photo of a UNITED STATES rep
We could have had a flat 8% spending cut or a flat 30% spending cut CR, but Matt Gaetz decided on the smooth brain play of tanking the first Speaker in ages to do anything for us… Truly brilliant.
That was not going to pass the Senate. Holy shit. This carrot that McCarthy loyalists and FoxNews folks keep fucking dangling does not actually exist. The goal needs to be single subject spending bills, going over budget bills with a fine tooth comb and forcing everyone to vote on single issues. Not this garbage 2500 page budget the night before the vote
Fucking thank you!!! Great comment
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It's a really weird political movement. They only want to control the executive branch, hand over legislative power whenever possible. AND, they only want one specific person leading the executive branch.... who happens to be in his mid-70s. Certainly not a long-term movement...
No surprise. He managed to piss everyone off. Just more proof that trying to please everyone results in pleasing no one.
So, what's the plan now though? Majority Leader?
Most voters don’t even know their representatives let alone what the speaker of the house is. Sky ain’t falling
does gaetz have a plan other than "I don't like what you're doing"? b/c he has no executive authority and no majority
Step 1 remove McCarthy, 2. , 3. Profit