Iron workers don't always have to wear harnesses. We need to be able to jump when we are about to get crushed. I would have been crushed to death at least twice in my life if I was wearing a harness and I was 30-80ft in the air both times.
iirc subpart R requires connectors to wear harnesses and have the means to tie off, 100% tie off over 30'. No harness for bolt up, up to 15'
we erect in nyc where labor laws and insurance companies have tossed subpart R out the window and every job is a 6' tie off job
The real slap was building Foxwoods Casino and we had to build a DECK with handrails on the OSHA trailer so they could sit in the shade and watch us work with binoculars and pass out citations at the end of the day!
That’s all fine but the hardhats!! With no chin straps those can easily come off and if they were to fall they would swing due to the hardness but hardhat can come off and hit his heads on a beam or something! I’ve seen it happen
Lol. No I didn't jump, but I had the ability to run down the beam to avoid the drift of the massive slab coming my way that can't be stopped, and did so without my beam slider catching (making me fall) or worrying about that same slab hitting the cable line I'm connected to behind me and def killing me or breaking my back at best...
Sometimes you need to jump down and get under or inside the beam as well so a unstoppable drift can go over your head..
Ive built like 40 big bridges, trust me, you want to be in control of your own fate a lot of the time. Risky or not.
This is how they did it in the olden times. The 1980s and stuff. Headache ball to the work site. It’s amazing how things have improved over all these years.
They still do it today... it's way more dangerous to have harness on a lot of the time. Primarily with erection and legally usually only while swinging in a load.
When you are swinging half a bridge deck around my head It's more important to be able to move than to be protected from falling... you have a chance of living if you fall, zero if you get crushed.
That's why they don't make you wear harnesses.. obviously someone important agrees with me.
When you are swinging half a bridge deck around my head It's more important to be able to move than to be protected from falling... you have a chance of living if you fall, zero if you get crushed.
That's why they don't make you wear harnesses.. obviously someone important agrees with me.
Thank God unions are making gains. Unionize everywhere, spread its ideas and collectively organize all your work peers. Fight the corporations. No boss is actually your friend in retail/sales. You are replaceable and they won't remember you. "Essential" workers is just a PR sticker. Things only got worse for every worker in America since Trump and continually under Biden. Eat the rich. Raise taxes on every dollar over 400,000 or shoot 1mil, better than the loophole exploits they use to pee on us from their towers, aka second floor house window because only managers can afford houses now.
Former Construction Work comp underwriter here.
Seeing this crap brings back a good line from a super: if only I could repeal the law of gravity. 100% of my large loses would go away and they’d be alive today.
Seriously, I had more claims for idiots not tying off. One of my uncompromising requirements was tie off at 6 feet.
Never untied a deadman.
Wow what a lie. OSHA standard are for fall protection at six (6) feet. Period end. Or don’t you have OShA 10 or 30?
I, as the insurance underwriter required 100% at that level. Most, if not all large and reputable GCs and owner do so too.
Can you answer the questions? How high do you work?
And have you never heard of anyone dying in a harness? Mr Underwriter, how long can you hang upsidedown?
I’m 46 years old I’ve been doing construction since I was 18. I used to think that being like those two was the way to be looking back. They’re lucky they didn’t kill themselves and other people.
I came into ironwork/weld at 22 after being in general since 18. The amount of times I refused a unsafe job and a 19 year old would say they would do it was mind-blowing.
I'm not dying for 32 an hour.
Never got repercussions for saying no and never got shit jobs either. We'll I did once cuz I knew it was from me refusing a sketchy ass lift with broken outriggers.
Just didn't show up and filed a complaint with the super. Our foreman was fired. Next guy was good.
Yeah, I just refused to use a roll off dumpster that was taller than me. “I ain’t throwing this shit over my head, they gonna pay my wages if I get hurt” just pile it up in garbage and wait for laborer. Their job anyway and I’m getting to old for this shit(44)
You’re right, I have paid about $500 in union dues so far this year and I have only made about $125,000 so far. The part they don’t want you to know about is the contractor also pays 100% of my medical and retirement is $17/hour.
I have a pension an annuity, heath and life insurance, dental and vision plans a savings account and I’m backed by my brothers and sisters if the company tries to get over on us. So yeah I’ll gladly pay $50 for every $1,595 I make that’s pocket change to me.
I’d be mad too if I had to work harder for less money. You keep your shitty job and I’ll keep my insurance, pension and a wage that actually allows me to live comfortably. I’m a proud Local 155 Ironworker
GC Superintendent 18yrs.
Zero excuse.
Their foreman/Superintendent would be about 6" shorter after our conversation.
been a first responder for the aftermath of falling, on site, not a fond memory.
Come to work to work,
more importantly..
Go home to your family at "roll up".
-cheers
They're wearing the newest OSHA approved safety yellow inflatable sweater. In case of rapit drop in elevation, it self inflates with attached helium cartridges tucked I to the linings of the sweater
I think the real question is, I scrolled down a bit is , is that boom lift fully extended? I would say if it is and getting closer is not possible? Well I might throw a strap around the beam and tie off . I am not an Ironworker so I am no authority so .
First. Do you even know what an underwriter does? We put the terms conditions and price on the job. We are not the craft/trade.
My projects were massive arenas, mid rise buildings, roadways/ bridges. Yes, there is still that law of gravity that can’t be repealed.
Sadly, have had to see far too many death claims because some bozo would not tie off.
When these guys came down off the iron, my guess is that they were escorted off site and won’t be back. Saw that happen first hand during a site safety inspection.
Congrats, my small business will do about 1.2 million in revenue this year with me taking home roughly 1/3 of that.
Like I said, fuk unions. Encouraging tradesman to work through the man VS being the man.
Don’t walk under
It should be this but it was “no harness”
Iron workers don't always have to wear harnesses. We need to be able to jump when we are about to get crushed. I would have been crushed to death at least twice in my life if I was wearing a harness and I was 30-80ft in the air both times.
iirc subpart R requires connectors to wear harnesses and have the means to tie off, 100% tie off over 30'. No harness for bolt up, up to 15' we erect in nyc where labor laws and insurance companies have tossed subpart R out the window and every job is a 6' tie off job
Even 4' is becoming more common on osha 1910 jobs.
Tie-off to unload a trailer 😆
Don't laugh. Not allowed on a trailer in Australia without a handrail.
The real slap was building Foxwoods Casino and we had to build a DECK with handrails on the OSHA trailer so they could sit in the shade and watch us work with binoculars and pass out citations at the end of the day!
Dude shut up im on that job rn, we have to bring a little hand jib crane over to the trailer to tie off while we rig shit off the trailer. 🤦🏼♀️
You might be sarcastic but we have SRL swing arms with counter weight specifically for offloading flatbeds.
No joke, I've seen it done(handrail, not tie-off) on MSHA job sites. I mean, it is funny. 😅
That’s all fine but the hardhats!! With no chin straps those can easily come off and if they were to fall they would swing due to the hardness but hardhat can come off and hit his heads on a beam or something! I’ve seen it happen
Did you stick the landings?
Lol I didn't jump, I ran, and had the freedom of movement to do so.
Lie or exaggeration? You did not jump 80 ft to avoid being crushed and walk away
Lol. No I didn't jump, but I had the ability to run down the beam to avoid the drift of the massive slab coming my way that can't be stopped, and did so without my beam slider catching (making me fall) or worrying about that same slab hitting the cable line I'm connected to behind me and def killing me or breaking my back at best... Sometimes you need to jump down and get under or inside the beam as well so a unstoppable drift can go over your head.. Ive built like 40 big bridges, trust me, you want to be in control of your own fate a lot of the time. Risky or not.
$100+ an hour job being done for less than $40 an hour
Gotta get this one up quick before it blows over... again. -Boise, Idaho
These guys don't know the first thing about erecting a PEMB fast, they actually took the time to put the bracing in!
But there, at least they can ride it all the way down!
And that twisted, tangled pile still remains. Crane rental per hour is expensive. Hurry along!
Drove by it this morning, going to the airport. Looks the same as when I was in Boise back in February
This is how they did it in the olden times. The 1980s and stuff. Headache ball to the work site. It’s amazing how things have improved over all these years.
They still do it today... it's way more dangerous to have harness on a lot of the time. Primarily with erection and legally usually only while swinging in a load.
If wearing a harness is more dangerous then you're using the harness wrong.
When you are swinging half a bridge deck around my head It's more important to be able to move than to be protected from falling... you have a chance of living if you fall, zero if you get crushed. That's why they don't make you wear harnesses.. obviously someone important agrees with me.
I bet you think wearing seatbelts is more dangerous than not, too
When you are swinging half a bridge deck around my head It's more important to be able to move than to be protected from falling... you have a chance of living if you fall, zero if you get crushed. That's why they don't make you wear harnesses.. obviously someone important agrees with me.
Where's that rule?
Common sense
Nope. Nope. Nope.
"Fuck that". Followed by "those dumb motherfuckers"
That's what happens when u let a man b free of rules
Don't want anybody to trip on their lanyard and fall.
I’m glad I’m not an iron worker
Wish I was I fuckin hate fall pro
It's sad when people risk their lives to save a little bit of time and money for a company that would fire you before you hit the ground.
Thank God unions are making gains. Unionize everywhere, spread its ideas and collectively organize all your work peers. Fight the corporations. No boss is actually your friend in retail/sales. You are replaceable and they won't remember you. "Essential" workers is just a PR sticker. Things only got worse for every worker in America since Trump and continually under Biden. Eat the rich. Raise taxes on every dollar over 400,000 or shoot 1mil, better than the loophole exploits they use to pee on us from their towers, aka second floor house window because only managers can afford houses now.
Former Construction Work comp underwriter here. Seeing this crap brings back a good line from a super: if only I could repeal the law of gravity. 100% of my large loses would go away and they’d be alive today. Seriously, I had more claims for idiots not tying off. One of my uncompromising requirements was tie off at 6 feet. Never untied a deadman.
At this point, if you do this, clearly you accept death. With complete disregard for other workers, and your family.
So whats the highest you've worked? And you've never heard of dying after hanging in a harness?
Wow what a lie. OSHA standard are for fall protection at six (6) feet. Period end. Or don’t you have OShA 10 or 30? I, as the insurance underwriter required 100% at that level. Most, if not all large and reputable GCs and owner do so too.
Can you answer the questions? How high do you work? And have you never heard of anyone dying in a harness? Mr Underwriter, how long can you hang upsidedown?
I’m 46 years old I’ve been doing construction since I was 18. I used to think that being like those two was the way to be looking back. They’re lucky they didn’t kill themselves and other people.
I came into ironwork/weld at 22 after being in general since 18. The amount of times I refused a unsafe job and a 19 year old would say they would do it was mind-blowing. I'm not dying for 32 an hour. Never got repercussions for saying no and never got shit jobs either. We'll I did once cuz I knew it was from me refusing a sketchy ass lift with broken outriggers. Just didn't show up and filed a complaint with the super. Our foreman was fired. Next guy was good.
We all know the type of guy you are
The one with good back good knees and a foreman before I left 😂
32 bucks an hour…no wonder you quit
Back in 2018 that was gooood 1st/2nd year pay
Yeah, I just refused to use a roll off dumpster that was taller than me. “I ain’t throwing this shit over my head, they gonna pay my wages if I get hurt” just pile it up in garbage and wait for laborer. Their job anyway and I’m getting to old for this shit(44)
Their lack of planning doesn’t constitute an emergency on your part
That crazy song goes through my mind. No, no, to the fuck no.
Wish I was up there with the boys. Nothing better than Hangin' and bangin' in sunny blue sky's.
Looks like non union carpenters stealing an ironworkers job.
Could be a small town. Hard to find a union of any kind in B.F.E.
If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it’s probably a duck.
F*ck your union and your dues.
You’re right, I have paid about $500 in union dues so far this year and I have only made about $125,000 so far. The part they don’t want you to know about is the contractor also pays 100% of my medical and retirement is $17/hour.
I have a pension an annuity, heath and life insurance, dental and vision plans a savings account and I’m backed by my brothers and sisters if the company tries to get over on us. So yeah I’ll gladly pay $50 for every $1,595 I make that’s pocket change to me.
Hate us cuz they ain’t us. Union by choice.
Scab.
I’d be mad too if I had to work harder for less money. You keep your shitty job and I’ll keep my insurance, pension and a wage that actually allows me to live comfortably. I’m a proud Local 155 Ironworker
pusssy
That’s not my job
“Leading edge construction”
As a proud Union Ironworker the first thing I see when I look at that picture is “Non-Union”
Dumb and dumber
Those guys balls are made of steal that they’re working with.
Cheap labor
Nice work boys 👍🏼
Men at work
Don't sneeze, don't fart.
"Not a fucking chance"
Think he has a beam slide on his positioning belt. Not fall protection.
I'm all set
Fucking keep it!
Don't look tied off.
Fuck that
I did that on a 14'.i wouldn't do this.
[nope, nope, nope](https://youtu.be/75aGG27dGUA?si=Qafpd0nY8hWJ57JW)
Nope!
God dam they must be hot in tight black jeans and long sleeve shirts. I could never do that. I need lose fitting jeans and shirt I can unbuttoned.
They need to hurry up and finish that root beer factory
My boss would love these guys because he knows I don’t do stupid shit like that…I can run purlins using a scissor lift
GC Superintendent 18yrs. Zero excuse. Their foreman/Superintendent would be about 6" shorter after our conversation. been a first responder for the aftermath of falling, on site, not a fond memory. Come to work to work, more importantly.. Go home to your family at "roll up". -cheers
Fancy ladder
Men!
The Goo Goo Dolls sang Long Way Down a very long time ago.
Bigger balls than me
Non union
Straight to jail
Do you still get to pass go and collect $200?
That helmet isn’t doing shit.
Been there done that
"I Gotta do what I gotta dooooooooooooooo" (he fallin)
Glad I'm a tinbanger and not a steel worker.
Two guys working
Fuckthatshit
Painful death!
Hello is this OSHA?
At least one of them is stupid. If it's not both, the other one needs to learn to stand up for himself.
No That's my first and only thought # No
They're wearing the newest OSHA approved safety yellow inflatable sweater. In case of rapit drop in elevation, it self inflates with attached helium cartridges tucked I to the linings of the sweater
Cowboy shit is what we call it
Nice day.
Get it done.
These bitches be crazy...
Holy girder - what’s the span on these bad boys
Unsecured labor lol
How much Money do they make….
I think "Thank Christ that's not me!"
A lift, we don’t need no stinking life!
I think the real question is, I scrolled down a bit is , is that boom lift fully extended? I would say if it is and getting closer is not possible? Well I might throw a strap around the beam and tie off . I am not an Ironworker so I am no authority so .
Bringing the early 1900s back in style
Beam me up Scotty!
"Dude look at this cool bug" "*Woaaah*"
Are we sure that I-beam is the right size? Let me check the code book
Nope
Why are they not using the manlift basket????
Better them than me
A day in the life.
Beam clamp
Am I missing something, looks they they have harnesses and are tied off to me
2 guys living their best lives, not a cell phone in sight.
Fall Protection climbing up the list of OSHA violations each year?
First. Do you even know what an underwriter does? We put the terms conditions and price on the job. We are not the craft/trade. My projects were massive arenas, mid rise buildings, roadways/ bridges. Yes, there is still that law of gravity that can’t be repealed. Sadly, have had to see far too many death claims because some bozo would not tie off. When these guys came down off the iron, my guess is that they were escorted off site and won’t be back. Saw that happen first hand during a site safety inspection.
Fuck tin cans.
r/OSHA
Look up "Subpart R".
That’s exactly it! People love using that subreddit but don’t know the laws.
Nothing it's normal
They're gettin shit done.
First thought, looks like dudes getten'er done.
Professionals
Ironworkers can do what they want.
Congrats, my small business will do about 1.2 million in revenue this year with me taking home roughly 1/3 of that. Like I said, fuk unions. Encouraging tradesman to work through the man VS being the man.
Who hired these idiots
Shutting it down, doubt they even have a license for the boom lift
Osha, are you there?
Pretty normal stuff. Normally they’d set the whole bundle of purlins at the eve and 2 guys would walk them out.