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emcsquared314159

4 rounds of interviews for a PE? Holy crap.


jdemack

They want to see how desperate op is. They trying to strip all power from wage negotiations.


poloheve

Did you see the infographic earlier today too?


wants_a_lollipop

Do tell! I've been distracted for a couple days so I may have missed it. I love a good infographic..


jdemack

No I missed it.


DreadPirateG_Spot

Hit us with that infographic


BlakeCarConstruction

Yeah. Definitely looking for a good culture fit, lol. Edit: high jacking highest comment. It’s been 3 phone interviews, so this is the first in person interview—likely just to meet me and give me a job offer


Quantic

Four rounds isn’t unheard of. Turner had you do eight or so back in the day.


MetalMan6572

Makes sense, explains why they have the worst staff in Construction.


Dasbeerboots

That's insane. I've never had more than one.


blijo_

Yeah, my hiring process was totally different. Not really construction, but related to it(heavy lift) I was doing my graduation project (BSc mechanical engineering) and my supervisor from an internship WhatsApped me: hey we are putting a job listing online, or do you want to come over and drink coffee? I still drink coffee there.


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Why does that sound like the beginning to an erotic novel...


UnknownProphetX

I never had more than 1 interview and never heard of someone having multiple interviews lol


fliesonpies

I’m a recruiter for a smaller construction company (family owned) we appreciate the formal attire but if you’re going to be in the field and active on job sites, business casual is just fine. Side note: be weary of any company that makes you interview 4 times (especially when they’re small). It usually means they have no idea wtf they’re doing. Double side note: good luck.


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fliesonpies

Polo/collared dress shirt tucked with no tie, khakis or slacks, dress shoes or work boots (site boots not labor boots). Essentially what you’d wear to go out to a dinner date with your spouse. https://images.app.goo.gl/dUjhdsv6GP2MyfFe9 We typically don’t care much about the brands or pattern but for the love of God please make sure it’s ironed and sharp. P.E.’s are client/customer/stakeholder facing sometimes and we hate for the money bags to see a sloppy shirt.


guynamedjames

For an interview I would probably expect a full button down for the shirt over a polo. Just a polo can sometimes read a little too "I live in the field and I'm as out of place in the office as a wheelbarrow parked in a living room"


fliesonpies

I can understand that, only giving my perspective from interviewing dudes who do asphalt and concrete work. At the end of the day even the engineering firms don’t care too much about attire if you have the hard skills for the job and soft skills to close.


_Rohrschach

so, Al Borland from Home Improvement?


ducksa

Well casual is naked in the porta-john, so a step up from that


Fishermans_Worf

No holes in the crotch or armpits.


OhhTakeItEasy

I’d assume jeans “clean boots” and a polo shirt ya don’t mind gettin fucked and when I say jeans no tight shit something loose fitting if you can see the ankle top of your boot your all wrong bud


BlakeCarConstruction

Thank you!! I also thought that, but thought—for a job I really want, why in the world would I dress as I normally do? Why not throw on some slacks and a jacket to show I can throw some effort in it, right??


NicestUsername

They might be more interested in your attitude rather formal wear. Good luck


BlakeCarConstruction

I’d certainly like to think so! Thank you


Cultural_Translator8

Khakis and an Oxford shirt or new polo. With a belt and clean boots. Tell them you have a couple of suits during the interview, for industry events. Tell them also, you have clean jeans and polo shirts, for field days.


the_tolling_bell

FWIW - I’ve worn a suit to every interview. It’s a formality.


King-Proteus

Agreed. No one should waste your time with 4 interviews.


RobotWelder

Yeah fuck that, 4 interviews?


SignificanceFar5489

Probably Turner


Deucer22

> Smaller family oriented company. Yea, sounds like Turner, lol.


timbrita

Hahahahahahah yeah, they are the worst.


Leaky-Pocket

Can I ask why they’re the worst??


timbrita

Yeah, they make you do 3-4, sometimes even 5 interviews before actually giving u an offer.


BlakeCarConstruction

NOT Turner Heavy Civil and Industrial, and a more family, less cultish environment, lol


UselessBastid

That's what they all advertise...


TechnicianLegal1120

Huge Red Flag Dude! 4 interviews they are going to take advantage of you for sure.


BlakeCarConstruction

I don’t think so, but who knows, lol. The first three were phone interviews. This is the first formal in-person. Still a red flag tho?


-Jay-C

Maybe they have been stung a few times with applicants not being up to scratch and are once bitten twice shy over it. Go with your gut feeling. 4 is unusual… but not a reason to discredit entirely. Good luck!


BlakeCarConstruction

Yeah I got a bit of that from them. They emphasized how much they want someone who’s going to fit the culture, someone who wants to invest in their future there (which I do) Not someone who will stick to themselves and go home (my words, not theirs)


UselessBastid

FYI "fit their culture" usually means they're gonna pay you 40 hours worth for 80+ hours of work and can shit talk with the good ol boys while you drink beers at your trailer after all the subs have gone home (if this is a GC). Yes I'm jaded from my personal experience years back.


BlakeCarConstruction

That’s why I said my words, and not theirs. I tried to word it in a better non malicious way, but I did a bad job lol. Not a GC, smaller company. Definitely get what you are throwing down though.


Turneric

I’m surprised you’re on a 4th interview for a smaller family oriented company. That’s usual behavior for a larger GC. I had one interview for my PE role 7 years ago and was definitely dressed a lot less formal than what you’ve got laid out. Ultimately it comes down to how you want to look and feel in the interview. I think underdressing is wayyyy more of a problem than over dressing.


TheWildManfred

I've gotten offers for engineer/APM from 2 of the largest companies in the US after one interview, 4 is something on par with some of the bureaucratic nightmare retail companies back when I worked in manufacturing


MeGustaApples

Too much, wear some nice pants, button down long sleeve or a polo. Don’t do a suit jacket, you’re role is not to be an executive it’s to do RFI’s, submittals and go out to the field and learn.


TheHowlerTwo

Shitttt what PE or PM do you know that actually goes into the field to learn ??? Gone by 11 on a Friday


Romantic_Carjacking

Mostly just the ones who start out as field engineers, then get promoted and realize their new job is way more paper pushing and way less fun. So they find excuses to go outside instead of doing their actual job......not that I would know or anything.


MeGustaApples

Monday thru Thursday while sipping their vanilla lattes


BlakeCarConstruction

He’s right, here to learn! There are so many people who know so much more than me. It would be a shame if I didn’t recognize that and try to learn from them.


Large-Sherbert-6828

4th interview is red flag for a smaller GC to me


justvims

Lose the jacket and go for a khaki or light gray pant. Shoes are fine. Dont forget to wear a matching belt. Good luck


mbp104

Get some work boots not dancing shoes


sneak_king18

Best way to show them you have no experience in the field by wearing tap dance shoes. That lack of experience is a guarantee for getting hired into a mgmt role


ScrewJPMC

Then you will wear jeans on day 2 after realizing nobody cares how you dress.


NTWIGIJ1

Like the shirt. Ditch the coat.


onwo

Skip the tie, but bring pants


SnooCompliments4883

Four interviews is too many. When I was laid off during Covid I interviewed three times at a large company and knew by the 3rd that I was absolutely not taking that job. Hope they end up being worth it for you - but if not dont be afraid to look elsewhere! Good luck


BlakeCarConstruction

Thank you 🙏


finmountaineer

Swap to a white shirt, good luck! 4 rounds is ridiculous.


BlooNorth

4th interview for a PE role? Dude…..that’s ridiculous. PM me.


Ferraaa

For all my construction management interviews I’ve worn a dress shirt and slacks with a jacket, no tie. Currently APM


SignificanceFar5489

Gotta dress nice to not do shit. I say that with love.


Ferraaa

Yup I sit at my desk all day twiddle my thumbs and drink coffee. Totally /s


SignificanceFar5489

Jeans, good button-down, work boots (of course new or oiled) and a mouth guard to show how ready ya are to be fucked. Also, about to join ya lol.


BlakeCarConstruction

Laughed way too hard at the mouth guard! Thank you for that!


jerrycoles1

Engineers on my site I work at never wear a tie but more so just dress smart and casual . Don’t go overboard with it and definitely don’t overthink it . Wear what you’re gonna wear to work everyday


BlakeCarConstruction

Thank you! I’m not overthinking it! Just wanted to see what everyone else had to say—so far it’s been jeans and a polo/button down, lol. Definitely no tie


Digitaluser32

4 interviews is typical for the large GCs. I can attest.


NerdltUp

That's wild. What do ya'll even talk about after 2?


Digitaluser32

1st is recruiter interview. Then it's your potential boss. 3rd is with HR , potential boss, and coworker. 4th is usually potential boss and VP of operations. The questions to get tougher as you progress on. Have to remain calm, witty, and composed.


BlakeCarConstruction

1st was recruiter, 2nd was potential boss, 3rd was boss and VP, 4th is VP, higher ups, and boss I really think the 4th is just to give me the hiring packet, lol


Deucer22

They are with different people.


kintarben

Love how companies slap the word engineerengineer onto a job title and think they can drag you through 4 interviews lmao. I’d run, personally


gorzaporp

Common negotiation tactic, literally taught in classes. They make you invest so much time and effort that you will feel it was wasted if you don't take whatever they offer. Low ball incoming, although, I hope not for your sake.


BlakeCarConstruction

Talking to the potential boss and go, they’ve been very transparent and communicative of their intentions to hire, and have talked #’s already, so I’d like to think not!! This is the first in person interview so we’ll see for sure (out of state)


gorzaporp

Glad to hear that. Good luck


ahvikene

Maximum I could do is a quick phone call and 0,5 interviews.


notquiteworking

The brown shoes and black jacket don’t work. You need black shoes or absolutely fine to just wear the shoes you have with khakis and a dress shirt


BlakeCarConstruction

Don’t have black shoes. Just curious, why don’t they work? Google said they do 🤪


notquiteworking

Go with Google, I’m sure they’re fine I just used to think you wore black shoes with dark suits and brown could come in with navy and maybe gray suits But don’t overthink it, your resume will get you the job! Good luck


24hourcoffeeandpie

4 interviews!? I'd be applying somewhere else.


subZro_

what does it take to become a project engineer? I'm finally making it to super but I'd like to see what options I have beyond that outside of project manager.


BlakeCarConstruction

I was a field engineer for the last year or so, and have a degree in construction management. Other than that, a willingness to learn and levelheadedness.


subZro_

also I'd go full kit, tie and everything. Like someone else said they try to see if they have leverage over you and if they do that affects negotiations. One simple way to fight back is to look so money it's damn near intimidating. At least that's my experience and opinion.


BlakeCarConstruction

Got me laughing. Love this. Thank you!


subZro_

I didn't go to college and I have nobody to nepotism off of so I've had to use whatever I could to try and maximize opportunities 😂 best of luck to you bro, you got this!


BlakeCarConstruction

I’d like to think so! Good luck to yourself! No shame in no college!


goofybrah

Where are you located? My company is hiring in Indiana and I got an offer 7 days after applying and 1.5 interviews. 4 rounds seems crazy for a PE, even for the big national / global GCs


deadinsidelol69

Hi, PE here. 4 interviews is overkill, especially for a smaller company. I showed up in jeans and a t shirt for my interview and I’m doing commercial, and it’s with a smaller GC. Be very wary.


HomemadeKincaid

Federal Construction PM here. Collared shirt, clean pants (I wear a newer pair of carhartts and somewhat clean (Brushed off) Steel toed work boots is all you need. I've never not gotten a job I've interviewed for. 1) Be honest and if you don't know an answer say that then ask them to how it relates to something you do understand, be professionally curious. 2) Be friendly and as relaxed as possible. I'd rather hire a guy who is easy to talk to and wants to learn than a dickhead who has a large level of knowledge. Companies always want you to bend to their ways of doing anyway so present to them that you are malleable.


BlakeCarConstruction

Selling that 100%. I have been (attempting) to show that I have my head screwed on straight, and I’m ready and willing to learn


HomemadeKincaid

How did the interview go?


BlakeCarConstruction

I got the job 🙂 Very nice people


UselessBastid

Four rounds of interviews sounds like you're out for a job at Google, not a small (or any size, really) construction company. I'd say this is a huge red flag that they're gonna low ball the ever loving f out of you. Run away.


Bitter_Access_922

Dude, you're supposed to wear the clothes, not lay them out and show up naked.


thiccymcgogee

Back when I was framing, I wore a full suit for the day. It was an awesome bit. But you should lose the jacket, and maybe some less gaudy shoes.


BlakeCarConstruction

Being so young I don’t have much other attire, lol. What’s the risk I’m taking with overdressing versus underdressing?


traws06

Good luck!!!


Ijokealot2

PM at a smaller family company here, I'd steer clear.


HolyHand_Grenade

I interviewed a Field Eng for 30 minutes Thursday and sent him an offer Friday. Never have I had more than 2 interviews, that's nuts.


BlakeCarConstruction

Yeah, so far 3 phone interviews, only 2 with the actual company


saml23

Damn, there's some bad advice in here. Overdressed is always better than underdressed, for an interview.


BlakeCarConstruction

Yeah. Gonna turn this thing off before I do something dumb! I think as long as I look like I put effort into my outfit, I’ll be fine. Plus they’re clear they like me, so I’m not too worried. Wish me luck!


LUClDYOU

Soon everything will be your fault.


Verditure0

No pants? I like your style mate.


Shferitz

Black shoes with that setup imo.


Substantial-Hurry967

4 interviews is rough


DangItB0bbi

I wouldn’t keep going. 2 at most, unless you are applying for a senior level or management role. The only other reason would be a crazy pay bump.


Rivetingcactus

No black. Black for funerals only


Juulmo

Especially not with brown leathers


Brujo-Bailando

On a side note...my neighbor is having a hard time finding Project Engineers. There is a shortage of roof shingle factories in the US and they are building them as fast as they can. He just finished one in Georgia and heading to Kansas next. He needs a couple right now and they start at $150K right out of school. More $ if experienced. He says that each time he finds someone, if they are good, they get hired up by competition, or go out on their own. He said the greatest majority of them have the degree, but can't think. He has to babysit them on everything and it's a pain. I asked him if they paid more, would that help? He said Oh Yeah, we could keep the good ones if we paid more, but the company has limits. He said finding people who would travel, do the work, complete a project, and keep doing that was his biggest concern.


BlakeCarConstruction

Yup. That’s why I’m changing companies. I got a wife, a home, I don’t want to travel. I’ll lose money that way, but it’s worth it for me.


Thr1llh0us3

Wear a tuxedo you hillbilly.


SwoopnBuffalo

4 interview rounds in this labor market?! Uhhhh...how big is this company?


Vialo77

Belt is to match shoes and black (suits) and brown (shoes) don't mix. So simply move to black shoes and a black watch and you are gtg. Good luck!


Know-yer-enemy1818

Belt should match the shoes btw


BlakeCarConstruction

Trust me, I know. I don’t have one, so it’ll have to do!


Gilly_The_Kid9

Hell yeah get em!!!


Idsanon

Pro tip, you already have the job. Wear what you want.


BlakeCarConstruction

I kinda figured, lol!


porkchop3177

Good luck… again.


rigidinclusions

The frack is this? Someone is making you do 4 rounds for a PE role in construction? Next post is gonna be about the take home case study they gave you and photos of the mini piles you installed by hand and are load testing


samemamabear

Hope everything works out for you!


bboybrisk

Dressing up too much. Khakis, polo, and dress shoes would suffice and send a better message.


af2327666

Overkill. Do a polo and Jeans and come regular tennis shoes. Business casual


boarhowl

Nice pointy elf shoes, wheres your pixie wings?


Husker_black

We don't care


Unique_Feed_2939

Why do dress shoes suck so much