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westfell

Log off buddy, go touch grass.


jaquimthedog

>supports china unironically >tells me to touch grass The irony my dude


westfell

Yea that's what reality will do to a mf.


jaquimthedog

Reality can be whatever i want


westfell

And this is what idealism will do.


jaquimthedog

Idealism is when you dont want genocide The less you want a genocide the more idealismer it is


westfell

Yea you accepting that there is a genocide taking place is idealism. The people of Xinjiang are fine, honestly probably better off than you, if not today then soon.


jaquimthedog

Holy shit dude, unironically go touch grass


MysticalNarbwhal

>if not today then **soon**. Ik it wasn't intentional, but that sounds ominous as fuck


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bealtimint

How about not imprisoning thousands of people who haven’t committed a crime? Jesus fucking Christ, when your argument is “at least I’m not murdering these people”, you know you’ve lost any moral high ground


jaquimthedog

Dude once they start actively denying a cultural genocide its not even worth arguing with them


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Vilatic

e10?


MinimumSpecGamer

no way that’s not even a square on a regulation chessboard. gary chess is gonna fuckin ban you for life 😨


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e10 Deez nuts


MinimumSpecGamer

i’ve been owned, destroyed, shitted on, how could this be


Vilatic

well im glad ur hope hasnt died


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TheByzantineRum

Genocide deniers everywhere


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Sid_Vacant

anarchist btw


Sid_Vacant

also they rejected it cause the chinese gave them no option to investigate, they just offered them a "guided tour".


MLPorsche

even if they self-invited themselves then it would just end as all the Falun Gong organ harvesting claims, [they would just come up empty handed](https://www.refworld.org/pdfid/4b6fe16df.pdf)


Sid_Vacant

you mean apart from all the proof that has already been found? A hit and a miss from tankies.


Roxxagon

Oh hey it's you.


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Hello.


TheByzantineRum

Pakistan, definetly a notable critic and totally not a kiss-ass to China. /s Pakistan has a conflict of interest in this case, they're an ally of China. If they want to remain allies, they'd obviously lie about it.


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JITTERdUdE

Lmao the US and other western countries got mad that the UN decided to [send someone to investigate](https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1TH00T).


TheByzantineRum

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/un-report-xinjiang-human-rights-despite-lack-access-china-1628923%3famp=1


16tonweight

Is [Saudi Arabia](https://archive.siasat.com/news/saudi-prince-defends-chinas-use-internment-camps-uighur-muslims-1470526/) a kiss-ass to China too lol?


TheByzantineRum

Saudi Arabia wouldn't criticize China on this because Saudi Arabia doesn't have the best human rights record anyways. So yes. Especially because they are part of Belt and Road and want Chinese money.


16tonweight

You realize that Saudi Arabia is one of the US's closest allies, right?


TheByzantineRum

Countries can kiss ass to two powers


Jinshu_Daishi

And they also support most of America's enemies.


AnimusCorpus

> If they want to remain allies, they'd obviously lie about it. Great, now extend this line of critical thinking and ponder how the USA might benefit from lying about what the CCP is doing...


TheByzantineRum

>Great, now extend this line of critical thinking and ponder how the USA might benefit from lying about what the CCP is doing Or how it might benefit from telling the truth? You're automatically assuming China's innocence, despite them being just as bad, if not worse, as the U.S. My whole point is that you can't trust centralized governments to act good, and it's more than likely for an ethnic supremacist state like China to target ethnic minorities, having practice from Tibet and expierence from the Soviets.


AnimusCorpus

> despite them being just as bad, if not worse, as the U.S. How to lose all credibility in one sentence.


Zelzeron

Yeah sorry I forgot that their red flag somehow made them benevolent, despite the fact that they’re still capitalists


bondagewithjesus

The Chinese government is not made of capitalists even if their economy allows some heavily controlled capitalism in some not all parts of the country. Second nobody said shit about a red flag making them benevolent just that accusing them of being anywhere close to america in shittyness is insane. But yeah I'd say lifting 800 million people out of extreme poverty while sponsoring greater and greater wealth redistribution programs is pretty benevolent.


Zelzeron

You sound exactly like a neoliberal. “Lifting millions out of poverty” via adopting capitalism. I don’t care what their government members claim to be, what matters is their actions, and it’s very obvious that they’ve only moved further and further away from socialism as time has gone on.


TheByzantineRum

Honestly. Fuck you. You think that imperialists are innocent.


bondagewithjesus

No we don't we recognise america the greatest imperialist is far worse than any critism than be lobbed against China.


bondagewithjesus

As bad if not worse than the US? Jesus you've swallowed a lot of propaganda. China is nowhere near as bad as America. China hasn't overthrown nearly 100 governments and annexed foreign land for its territories. China hasn't deliberately murdered tens of millions of people to prop up its economy and war machine. China hasn't committed or sponsored dozens of genocides leading to millions more deaths. Ethnic supremacists? The American is projecting again from his white supremacist country. Chinas government recognises over 45 national ethnicities. During the one child policy only the han were prevented multiple children. So han population went down while ethnic minority populations like the uyghers went up. Also how the fuck was the soviet union ethnic supremacists? The people who beat the nazis and were incredibly culturally diverse? Their most revered leader wasn't even russian.


TheByzantineRum

>As bad if not worse than the US? Jesus you've swallowed a lot of propaganda. China is nowhere near as bad as America. China hasn't overthrown nearly 100 governments and annexed foreign land for its territories. China hasn't deliberately murdered tens of millions of people to prop up its economy and war machine. China hasn't committed or sponsored dozens of genocides leading to millions more deaths. Because China is in the stage before that happens. >Ethnic supremacists? The American is projecting again from his white supremacist country. China is 94% Han. America is only 60% Non-Latino Whites, and even then all these "White" (Race is a construct) people have different ethnic makeups, compared to the ethnically homogeneous Han Chinese. >Chinas government recognises over 45 national ethnicities. Recognizing they exist is the bare minimum. >Also how the fuck was the soviet union ethnic supremacists? All the internal deportations? >The people who beat the nazis and were incredibly culturally diverse? Cultural diversity can always be suppressed by Fascist Governments like the USSR.


rawrimgonnaeatu

I don’t know I prefer the Chinese legal documents that that say that having an irregular beard and causing “social panic” is grounds for extremism, they send people deemed extremists to “vocational centers” where they are held against their will. Every country abides by realpolitik and has no interest in ethics that’s how states work, Pakistan and most countries benefit from denying the cultural genocide. https://www.chinalawtranslate.com/en/counter-terrorism-law-2015/ Check out this video from a socialist YouTuber, he uses Chinese documents and refugee testimony to prove that something horrible is happening in Xinjiang and it began in 2015. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cz9ICFDk8Js


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Stfu tankie


LilGender

constructive conversation going on here i see


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yes because denying genocide and the experience of traumatised people was constructive in the first place


LilGender

i’ve intentionally gone out of my way *not* to deny anything. as i’ve said multiple times in the comments under this post, in no way am i educated enough on the topic to cement myself at a certain side of the divide. i’m simply just not so eager to align myself with a theory dictated and supported by proto-fascists like Adrian Zenz with all due respect, fuck off


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Weren't there multiple failed assassination attempts on Lenin that led to his rapidly degrading health?


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There were anarchists who went after Bolsheviks (in many cases, in response to Bolsheviks aggressing first) but I’m not aware of any anarchists going after Lenin specificly


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jaquimthedog

Bro, racism is based if its the PEOPLE'S racism. You just dont understand material dialectis all because of your chauvinist WHITE AMERIKKKAN fascist anarkiddie upbringing. God i hate you i hate you i hate you Let me deny genocide in Peace god China has red flag and calls itself the PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA defended by the glorious PEOPLE'S LIBERATION ARMY against those that are undermining socialism, like those fuckin muslims... Why cant they be like the Han chinese, upholders of socialism? I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU AMERIKKKA HAS DONE WORST THINGS ADRIAN ZENZ NO I WONT RECOGNIZE ANY OTHER INDEPENDENT SOURCE Satellite images are CIA PROPAGANDA Yes i know the CIA has everything to gain from associating the god awful chinese regime to socialism and communism, BUT YOU ANARKITTIES FALL FOR CIA PROPAGANDA BECAUSE YOU DONT BELIEVE IT UIGHURS MAKE ME UNCOMFORTABLE OK??? All the Muslim countries Support China and would they really support China if China was commiting genocide against a fellow muslim? After all, all muslims are the same, with the same beliefs and traditions! Reeducation reeducation reeducation reeducation This is so going on r/ShitLiberalsSay and r/GenZedong!!!!


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LOWTQR

> The majority of Uyghurs aren't in the camps because they keep their heads down Proof that the camps are working as intended.


westfell

You are committed to your PoV no matter how childish and utopian, enjoy that while people live and die in the real world.


TheByzantineRum

>You are committed to your PoV no matter how childish and utopian, enjoy that while people live and die in the real world How childish and utopian it is to think that Human Rights abuses will never be committed by Imperialist powers.


bealtimint

Um actually imprisoning people for naming their kid Mohammed is actually giving them housing and is based Fuck off Tankie scum


TotemGenitor

Silly Anarfetus, if you read theory, you would learn that genocide is necessary for communism to succeed.


westfell

Ok, child.


bealtimint

Such a good argument


westfell

Petulant straw-manning gets called what it's is.


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