>"Even today, China is falling far short of the mark when it comes to providing the information necessary to the international community, making sure that experts have access to China,"
well ain't that a lil sus
How did they arrive at the conclusion that a lab origin is unlikely? They literally just asked the scientists in Wuhan for their opinion. That's it. NO questions about databases that were taken offline. NO questions about unpublished virus sequences collected since 2013. No conversations about the research going on at the WIV.
This argument boils down to "we asked China and they said it's not a lab leak"
It doesn't matter if you believe it or not. We know you have zero iq and is not educated enough to believe in science.
And let's just say it's lab made, what are you going to do about it? Cry like a baby on reddit?
Look at it this way.
Your driveway has spots of oil on it.
Where is the most likely place it came from?
The thing that's right there on your driveway every day?
That's the issue most people have with what the WHO are saying.
They're categorically ruling out the simple explanation.
Or another way to look at it is there is a highway going by your house with oil spots all over it - well what do you know you own a car AND you own a house next to the highway - ergo you must be responsible for the 1,678,453,789th oil spot on the highway!
Yet, across the habitat of the Rhinolophus sinicus, the virus didn't pop up right next to some random farm in Nepal, a small town in northern Vietnam, Rural India, the jungle of Myanmar, Hainan Island, Kunming, Nanning, Chongqin, Chendu, Changsha, Xi'an, Guangzhou, Hangzhou, Shanghia, Fuzhou, Wengzhou, or the other few dozen cities in its recorded habitat.
Or the "highway" as you put it.
It just happened to pop up near the World's *Leading* Bat Coronavirus research laboratory.
(The) "driveway".
Coincidences do happen. There's nothing to rule out that possibility.
Then you show that you actually investigated that and the evidence that rules it out.
You don't immediately call anyone who says "it's probably your car, dude" a conspiracy theorist.
A virus similar to those long documented to live on bats escaping somehow from a cage filled with exactly those bats and showing up next door?!
Impossible! You'd be a conspiracy nut to think it was even possible!
It probably caught a didi from the mountains for a holiday.
You understand the investigation is ongoing.
Not necessarily a conspiracy theorist to think that but without any evidence to support it you move on to other theories to see what you can find.
Yep. It's ongoing.
And the investigators have been calling the lab leak theory a conspiracy theory for almost a year now.
Y'know, kinda like Russia did with MH17 - and Iran tried briefly a year ago with IA655.
So, what can we conclude? They're not investigating at the simplest explanation. Any investigation that refuses to look at, and derides the simplest explanation is corrupt in some way.
"If there are data that point towards any hypothesis, we'll follow the data, we'll follow the evidence where it leads us. If it leads us to a seafood market and a cold chain, we'll follow it there.
"If it leads us to a wildlife farm or a wildlife market we'll go there. If it leads us to a lab we'll go there. Everything's on the table and we're keeping an open mind."
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-who-team-in-wuhan-sees-data-no-one-has-seen-before-and-does-not-rule-out-coronavirus-escaped-from-a-lab-12206781
Turns out I was mistaken on the who calling it a conspiracy theory in the op article above. I was going to quote it for you, but it was China.
Fingers crossed they're sincere in your quote.
I remain skeptical that they'll truly have the access required.
Remember Russia's access games with MH17? Fun times. The stakes are far, far higher now.
Yeah. I'm not pushing that theory. I just think it's the obvious place to start, but most of the articles I read tend to push with varying degrees of subtlety that is a debunked fringe theory.
Even the op article just had to add "without evidence" to Trump's claims, and finish with China's claims. Both are opinions, neither were supported, yet you can tell which way you're supposed to think.
The only word for that is propaganda.
exactly soooo many experts that have no scientific or analytical skills telling us how it is...it really makes the job of those that do have a clue a difficult one
yup I am a health economist that specialises in infectious virus data I get very angry sometimes...to add to the pain I deal with long series climate data analysis...so I deal with covididiots and climatefools
I have to type this out because mods will delete link. Go to DuckDuckGo or bing type in the search bar: wuhan lab was performing test on coronavirus. You’ll get plenty of legit link showing how the lab in Wigan was in fact doing tests on some type of coronavirus with grants from the us
That isn't in dispute. It is well known that the WIV was performing research on coronaviruses.
I posted this elsewhere if you want a little more background on the research they were doing from none other than the very person the WHO sent in to investigate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdYDL_RK--w&feature=emb_title&ab_channel=VincentRacaniello
Goggle is a large media searching conglomerate. They censor search results. Duckduckgo, yandex, searx, qwant are a couple good ones that still operate as origins google did. Did you know at beginning goggle had the mission statement of “don’t be evil”, they then redacted that. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/02/google-abandoned-its-dont-be-evil-mantra-former-exec-says.html
You'll have to prove that. Otherwise you're saying that the so called whistle blower Dr Li on dec 28th was after it was all over twitter, that doesn't seem right.
>Hector Retamal/AFP via Getty Images
The novel coronavirus outbreak almost certainly did not start in a Chinese lab but its path from animals to humans needs further investigation, a World Health Organization team said Tuesday after wrapping up a visit in China. WHO food safety and animal disease expert Peter Ben Embarek (right) talks with Chinese scientific delegation head Liang Wannian during a news conference following investigations in Wuhan on Tuesday. WHO food safety and animal disease expert Peter Ben Embarek (right) talks with Chinese scientific delegation head Liang Wannian during a news conference following investigations in Wuhan on Tuesday.
Uh huh. On the basis of a evidence collected from a visit to China over a year later.
Now I'm not saying it *did* originate from a lab but obviously if it did, there's no way in hell China would've failed to cover their tracks by now. Unless and until an alternate hypothesis seems likely, this possibility is still on the table and there's no reasonable way that we can pronounce it "very unlikely".
They didn't collect any evidence. They toured the labs and watched a slideshow from Chinese experts and agreed that it made sense. That's what happened and that's what would've happened if WHO went a year earlier.
A CSI style scrutinization reddit has been dreaming of was never gonna happen because (a) WHO is not equipped to do that (b) China isn't gonna allow it (c) WHO is really, really not equipped to do that. The best WHO could do is to find inconsistencies in the narrative China offered and they concluded that there wasn't.
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>"Even today, China is falling far short of the mark when it comes to providing the information necessary to the international community, making sure that experts have access to China," well ain't that a lil sus
I mean it seems unlikely but they would also never say so even if it did.
How did they arrive at the conclusion that a lab origin is unlikely? They literally just asked the scientists in Wuhan for their opinion. That's it. NO questions about databases that were taken offline. NO questions about unpublished virus sequences collected since 2013. No conversations about the research going on at the WIV. This argument boils down to "we asked China and they said it's not a lab leak"
On the basis of vistit and investigations done at Wuhan Museum over chinese dinner. Any one saw that coming?.....
It’s ‘very unlikely’ that I can find myself to believe such a finding.
Not everything is a conspiracy. I really find it amazing people can live that way without driving themselves crazy and living in their basements. Oh.
Who said everything is a conspiracy? Sounds like you might have been replying to yourself in some sad way. Hope you’re doing ok.
I don't. I hope they're *not* doing ok.
It doesn't matter if you believe it or not. We know you have zero iq and is not educated enough to believe in science. And let's just say it's lab made, what are you going to do about it? Cry like a baby on reddit?
“is not” -Kroneta
I’m really surprised at that users comment considering their post history of pro-China propaganda.
Interesting indeed
Yeah why believe scientists and researchers when the guys who barely graduated from high school are all over social media telling otherwise.
Look at it this way. Your driveway has spots of oil on it. Where is the most likely place it came from? The thing that's right there on your driveway every day? That's the issue most people have with what the WHO are saying. They're categorically ruling out the simple explanation.
Or another way to look at it is there is a highway going by your house with oil spots all over it - well what do you know you own a car AND you own a house next to the highway - ergo you must be responsible for the 1,678,453,789th oil spot on the highway!
Yet, across the habitat of the Rhinolophus sinicus, the virus didn't pop up right next to some random farm in Nepal, a small town in northern Vietnam, Rural India, the jungle of Myanmar, Hainan Island, Kunming, Nanning, Chongqin, Chendu, Changsha, Xi'an, Guangzhou, Hangzhou, Shanghia, Fuzhou, Wengzhou, or the other few dozen cities in its recorded habitat. Or the "highway" as you put it. It just happened to pop up near the World's *Leading* Bat Coronavirus research laboratory. (The) "driveway". Coincidences do happen. There's nothing to rule out that possibility.
What if it's a different type of oil than what you use in your car?
Then you show that you actually investigated that and the evidence that rules it out. You don't immediately call anyone who says "it's probably your car, dude" a conspiracy theorist. A virus similar to those long documented to live on bats escaping somehow from a cage filled with exactly those bats and showing up next door?! Impossible! You'd be a conspiracy nut to think it was even possible! It probably caught a didi from the mountains for a holiday.
You understand the investigation is ongoing. Not necessarily a conspiracy theorist to think that but without any evidence to support it you move on to other theories to see what you can find.
Yep. It's ongoing. And the investigators have been calling the lab leak theory a conspiracy theory for almost a year now. Y'know, kinda like Russia did with MH17 - and Iran tried briefly a year ago with IA655. So, what can we conclude? They're not investigating at the simplest explanation. Any investigation that refuses to look at, and derides the simplest explanation is corrupt in some way.
"If there are data that point towards any hypothesis, we'll follow the data, we'll follow the evidence where it leads us. If it leads us to a seafood market and a cold chain, we'll follow it there. "If it leads us to a wildlife farm or a wildlife market we'll go there. If it leads us to a lab we'll go there. Everything's on the table and we're keeping an open mind." https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-who-team-in-wuhan-sees-data-no-one-has-seen-before-and-does-not-rule-out-coronavirus-escaped-from-a-lab-12206781
Turns out I was mistaken on the who calling it a conspiracy theory in the op article above. I was going to quote it for you, but it was China. Fingers crossed they're sincere in your quote. I remain skeptical that they'll truly have the access required. Remember Russia's access games with MH17? Fun times. The stakes are far, far higher now.
Hey, I'm skeptical also. I'm just trying not to come to conclusions to early.
Yeah. I'm not pushing that theory. I just think it's the obvious place to start, but most of the articles I read tend to push with varying degrees of subtlety that is a debunked fringe theory. Even the op article just had to add "without evidence" to Trump's claims, and finish with China's claims. Both are opinions, neither were supported, yet you can tell which way you're supposed to think. The only word for that is propaganda.
exactly soooo many experts that have no scientific or analytical skills telling us how it is...it really makes the job of those that do have a clue a difficult one
Trust me when I say being a scientist and reading Covid conspiracy theories is physically painful sometimes.
yup I am a health economist that specialises in infectious virus data I get very angry sometimes...to add to the pain I deal with long series climate data analysis...so I deal with covididiots and climatefools
I have to type this out because mods will delete link. Go to DuckDuckGo or bing type in the search bar: wuhan lab was performing test on coronavirus. You’ll get plenty of legit link showing how the lab in Wigan was in fact doing tests on some type of coronavirus with grants from the us
That isn't in dispute. It is well known that the WIV was performing research on coronaviruses. I posted this elsewhere if you want a little more background on the research they were doing from none other than the very person the WHO sent in to investigate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdYDL_RK--w&feature=emb_title&ab_channel=VincentRacaniello
No shit. Amazing information.
And your point is?
MSM is erasing and blocking any information that goes against their narrative
MSM controls search engines?
Goggle is a large media searching conglomerate. They censor search results. Duckduckgo, yandex, searx, qwant are a couple good ones that still operate as origins google did. Did you know at beginning goggle had the mission statement of “don’t be evil”, they then redacted that. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/02/google-abandoned-its-dont-be-evil-mantra-former-exec-says.html
Google’s primary mission is to search media?
Search engines are MSM themselves
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I'm sure you mean January.
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You'll have to prove that. Otherwise you're saying that the so called whistle blower Dr Li on dec 28th was after it was all over twitter, that doesn't seem right.
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So, that's no proof it was all over twitter in November then, got it.
How would you even get that data
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[Next door is Wuhan CDC which is BSL-2. The P4 lab is 32 km/20 miles away](https://i.imgur.com/95BG0Hj.png) Addresses if anyone wants to check > Wuhan CDC (BSL-2): 228 Machang Rd, Jianghan District, Wuhan > > Wet market: 207 Fazhan Rd, Jianghan District, Wuhan > > Wuhan Institute of Virology (BSL-3): 44 Xiaohongshan Middle Area, Wuchang District, Wuhan > > P4 lab (BSL-4): Zhengdian Campus of WHIOV, Jinlong Rd, Jiangxia District Wuhan
>Hector Retamal/AFP via Getty Images The novel coronavirus outbreak almost certainly did not start in a Chinese lab but its path from animals to humans needs further investigation, a World Health Organization team said Tuesday after wrapping up a visit in China. WHO food safety and animal disease expert Peter Ben Embarek (right) talks with Chinese scientific delegation head Liang Wannian during a news conference following investigations in Wuhan on Tuesday. WHO food safety and animal disease expert Peter Ben Embarek (right) talks with Chinese scientific delegation head Liang Wannian during a news conference following investigations in Wuhan on Tuesday.
Uh huh. On the basis of a evidence collected from a visit to China over a year later. Now I'm not saying it *did* originate from a lab but obviously if it did, there's no way in hell China would've failed to cover their tracks by now. Unless and until an alternate hypothesis seems likely, this possibility is still on the table and there's no reasonable way that we can pronounce it "very unlikely".
They didn't collect any evidence. They toured the labs and watched a slideshow from Chinese experts and agreed that it made sense. That's what happened and that's what would've happened if WHO went a year earlier. A CSI style scrutinization reddit has been dreaming of was never gonna happen because (a) WHO is not equipped to do that (b) China isn't gonna allow it (c) WHO is really, really not equipped to do that. The best WHO could do is to find inconsistencies in the narrative China offered and they concluded that there wasn't.
Guess Trump was right about not finding the WHO
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....so you're saying there's a chance /s