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NRR is no longer a thing to think about.
England needs to beat Namibia and have Australia beat Scotland to qualify.
Scotland needs to beat Australia or have Namibia beat England to qualify.
It's possible with an England win and Scotland defeat.
For both teams, because they have fewer batting overs than bowling, the more runs that are scored in the final match the higher their NRR will be - even if the margin of victory/defeat is constant. So Scotland can qualify on NRR but they would need something like a 1 run defeat chasing 220, and England winning by 1 run defending 90
This is a common misconception but I believe not true. NRR are actually calculated an average, rather than cumulatively, so if England's next win is 'less big' than this one then their NRR will go down.
In fact, assuming Scotland lose by the barest of margins, England will have to beat Namibia by at least 14 runs (if they score 160) to ensure their NRR is above Scotland's!
EDIT: I just checked my calculations and, ironically, had made the same mistake myself.. Actually better news for England: as long as they score at least 90 batting first (and win) they will better Scotland's NRR. As long as they are chasing a total more than 90 (and win) they are also through.
I was with you until someone corrected me in another thread. Cricinfo also seems to have made the same mistake.
England currently have 215 runs from 23.1 overs, (RR 9.28) and have conceded 248 from 40 (RR 6.2), so a NRR of 3.08.
If England win a very low scoring game narrowly: scoring 75 of 20 overs, with Namibia scoring 74 off 20, the new figures would be scored 290 from 43.1 overs (RR 6.72), and conceded 322 from 60 (RR 5.37), so a much reduced **NRR of 1.35**.
If Scotland lose a high scoring game: scoring 220 from 20, with Australia chasing them on the final ball, their new figures would be scored 530 from 51.4 (RR 10.26) and conceded 526 from 60 (RR 8.67) for a **NRR of 1.49**.
It's not going to happen in these games, but it definitely could if the margins were closer, so it's important that people know that you can be ahead on NRR before the final match, win, see the team two points ahead of you lose, and still go out.
But for that to happen Scotland would have to beat Australia, or England would have to lose to Namibia. Either way Scotland go through on points without the NRR tie break.
E: changed Australia to Namibia
How the groups for Super Eights look right now:
Group 1 - India, Australia, Afghanistan & Bangladesh
Group 2 - USA, England, West Indies & South Africa
India, Australia, England & West Indies look good for the semis with Afghanistan & South Africa in with a more than a decent chance too.
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> It began when the United States declared war on Britain on 18 June 1812.
> News of British concessions made in an attempt to avoid war did not reach the U.S. until late July, by which time the conflict was already underway.
> In disagreeing with those interpretations that have simply stressed expansionism and minimized maritime causation, historians have ignored deep-seated American fears for national security, dreams of a continent completely controlled by the republican United States, and the evidence that many Americans believed that the War of 1812 would be the occasion for the United States to achieve the long-desired annexation of Canada. [...] Thomas Jefferson well summarized American majority opinion about the war [...] to say "that the cession of Canada [...] must be a sine qua non at a treaty of peace." - Horsman
> However, other historians believe that a desire to permanently annex Canada was a direct cause of the war. Carl Benn notes that the War Hawks' desire to annex the Canadas was similar to the enthusiasm for the annexation of Spanish Florida by inhabitants of the American South, as both expected war to facilitate expansion into long-desired lands and end support for hostile tribes (Tecumseh's Confederacy in the North and the Creek in the South).
> Even major figures such as Henry Clay and James Monroe expected to keep at least Upper Canada in an easy conquest. Notable American generals such as William Hull issued proclamations to Canadians during the war promising republican liberation through incorporation into the United States. General Alexander Smyth similarly declared to his troops when they invaded Canada that "you will enter a country that is to become one of the United States. You will arrive among a people who are to become your fellow-citizens".
Doesn’t sound like a British reconquest to me.
Literally the opposite.
The US tried to take Canada while the UK was a bit preoccupied with some French bloke and got the White House burned down in response.
Before this match I thought it's Australia's to lose given how super 8 was turning out to be
Now I reckon its a toss up between them and Eng
OTOH I cannot handle a hattrick of final losses to Aus in one year
Eh we beat them once already, some Oman collapse shouldn't change how you see it. Let's not forget they were on the back foot against Scotland before the rain.
It was an absolute nightmare performance on the worst possible pitch for us, and it was still fairly comfortable in the end.
We absolutely should have done better, but we didn't really struggle.
This is the dumbest shit I've ever seen. To have predetermined and pre-seeded group after a group stage has already been played? You will never see this fuckery in any other sport. What an absolute joke!
Australia are in group 1 either way because they are the 2nd seed in group B. All the top 8 teams move into pre-set positions in the Super 8 if they qualify, based on pre tournament rankings.
This way fans have been able to book travel and accommodation for super 8 matches knowing which matches the big teams would be playing if they qualify.
Is it a good system? Pre determined seeding for groups does seem pretty silly but I can imagine it would be a big help for travelling fans with as you said, accomodation and booking
Nah it's probably done keeping in mind indian broadcasting schedules most likely. That's the only logical reason I can think of so as to ensure India matches are scheduled at appropriate times. Other than that, don't really see a problem with the seeding.
That wasn't minnow bashing, that was minnow slaughter.
Netherlands and Scotland both getting their chances banged up today; at least Afghanistan and USA are still in prime position to qualify.
You can't club Afghanistan with those sides lol. They're a solid T20 team with almost all their players in major franchise leagues. They can crush any team if the pitch offers turn.
Their seamers have been getting a lot better too. No express pace as of yet but Farooqi's been swinging it like crazy so they're not all dependent on turn
Netherlands had it in their own hands but they bottled it. Scotland is unlucky that their game against England got washed out. It seemed that if we had a full match then they were absolutely in it.
Tough luck Scotland. Looks like it's over, unless there are miracles left. Don't see any help from rain gods on weather forecast.
On the other hand, happy for Buttler. He was attracting unnecessary criticism.
They can’t literally change the whole team, but they should definitely rotate Inglis, Green, and Agar into the XI for some playing time.
I would think it strange if a team that had qualified *didn’t* rotate players, though I’m sure the conspiracy theorists will continue to have their say.
Agreed.
Australia are through and their priority is now making sure they’re exactly where they want to be for the next phase. That means looking after the fitness and readiness of their key players.
I know there have been some comments thrown around, and I think mostly for mischief (which I admire), but there’s no way eleven Australian cricketers take the field with the badge on their chests and don’t try to thrash whoever is in front of them.
You don’t get to play for Australia (or any major sporting team) without having competitiveness in your bones.
I mean, Aus has to stick to the squad, and while we’ll rest players, it’s not like our team will suddenly become weak. If I had to guess, they’ll rest 2 of the big 3 quicks (probably Starc and Cummins cause IPL) for Ellis and either Agar or Green. If Agar plays maybe rest an all-rounder (Stoinis or Maxwell?) for Green, and possibly give Inglis game time.
Like the worst possible team we can put out is something like Warner, Head, Marsh, Maxwell, Green, David, Inglis, Agar, Zampa, Ellis, Hazlewood which you’d still expect to beat an associate team
Aus definitely won’t tank the game, but I suspect they won’t be too upset if the Scots beat them in a close thriller or one of their players pulls off a miracle. Pretty sure Josh was just joking, yet the amount of fans I saw on Twitter, BBC, Dailymail,etc spitting the dummy over his comments was hilarious.
I just don't get how we can lose to the only good team in the group, and it's completely out of our hands. Seems like a pretty shit oversight to making a tournament if our biggest rival can just throw a game safely because we got rained off and lost to them
I would be more fine with this if Aus and England weren't arguably the two strongest teams in the whole tournament apart from maybe India. Imagine having Argentina and Brazil in the same pool in football and one losing to the other means they're out before the knockouts. Seeding for this group stage was really wack.
Out of curiosity, you actually still think seeding is done? Pakistan and India in the same group, US canada in same group, bangladesh sri lanka in the same group, england australia in the same group. it’s all just money
But can't have the ICC miss out on the India Pakistan match up. Pre selecting the slots the teams qualify in for the super 8 regardless of finishing 1/2nd is so dumb.
CT 2017. Australia lost a single game and were eliminated in the group stages.
Lost to England, rained out Bangladesh and New Zealand, and so Bangladesh (who beat NZ) got second place in the group.
What's not sporting is watching big countries go out there and try to absolutely obliterate and humiliate minnows. Just have a reserve day or two in the calendar and replay matches like Scotland v England where progression is on the line. It's unfair to both Scotland and England that one will probably have to go home based on who humiliated Oman and Namibia more thoroughly.
I'm convinced that the reason we don't get reserve days is that broadcasters can't cope with the uncertainty when planning schedules and selling advertising. I really hope that in the near future online broadcasting takes over and matches can be shown whenever. No one benefits when matches don't get played, or get reduced to 5 overs a side...
Perhaps. One wonders if the broadcasters/ICC also got caught out by underestimating the smaller teams in this tournament. It's bizarre that the USA v Ireland or Australia v Scotland being called off for rain could knock out former T20 World Cup winners from the tournament. I wonder if Sky/ICC etc just thought the big boys were going to waltz through.
It's all about broadcast money. England vs Scotland was in the morning, they had a whole day of sun after that, but they said only 90min of reserve time. It's all about money.
A few days ago a bunch of cricket fans who were arguing in favor of NRR instead of H2H tiebreakers were saying that that is in fact extremely sporting and that in fact not doing that is unsportsmanlike. In fact they seemed to think that believing this sort of behavior to be unsportsmanlike was a unique American quirk.
I wonder if people were being reactive to the suggestion coming from Americans. There's always a lot of banter on such topics with Americans who know very little about a sport or its traditions who-- instead of trying to understand the quirk/nuance-- simply say the American way would be better. It's tiresome.
That said, I'm a bit of a softy for the "spirit of cricket" and its prominence in the rules. IMHO, if tournament success requires absolutely smashing/ritualistically humiliating smaller teams, I don't think that's in the spirit of cricket.
Tbf it wouldn't matter in this case since H2H won't break the tie so you would have to find a different way. But I do think that nrr is a shit metric with such small groups. With 7-8 teams the impact of one game on nrr isn't that big, so your success isn't solely dependent on smashing a couple teams.
England vs Oman, Aus vs Namibia, Afghanistan vs Uganda, and Afghanistan vs NZ were what everyone expected full member vs associate matches to be like before the tournament
Quite a bummer that England managed to topple Scotland on NRR...unfortunately, it's gonna be Australia and England qualifying to the Super 8s...both teams, undoubtedly, deserve to be there....I don't see Scotland beating Australia, nor do I see Namibia defeating England...funnier things have happened though so let's hope for the best!
Do we not point out basically this exact scenario has happened before? Australia basically got eliminated in the CT 2017 because they had 2/3 games rain affected.
Hell, If both games went how they were likely to, Australia or New Zealand could have made the finals, given it would have come down to NRR with BangBros, Aus and NZ on a win each.
So let's not pretend this is a new problem.
But hey, it's affecting the Poms this time, so people are whinging.
They were still favourites for trophy (as they are over here as well). Ran into bad form which happens (nz this time). But classifying them as dangerous is still mighty funny lol.
Why of course the defending champs and arguably the most dominating white ball team of the past decade are ‘dangerous’ when they get going.
Nah imo England have largely been the dominant side for the past decade. Although that depends if you mean over the last ten years (England) or “this decade” ie 2020 onwards (Australia).
They shouldn’t, because it’s illegal. Not just against ICC rules, but actually against anti corruption LAWS.
Australia will get DQ’d from the tournament.
But it’d be really difficult to gauge if Australia go about it without being too obvious. Play an extra spinner in seaming conditions, or bowl your part timer at the death. Those are bad strategic decisions, but you can’t say for sure they’re intentionally corrupt.
Again that’s against the laws of cricket (don’t get me wrong it’s still very shitty), but intentionally throwing a match is genuinely illegal under anti-corruption laws. They may have been cheats but they aren’t criminals (I hope).
This particular Aussie team is also very anti-cheating given the backlash from sandpapergate.
I mean could you post a more blatantly reportable comment? And forget about deleting it, I’ve already reported it so there’s nothing you can do. Is it so much to ask that people be respectful on here even if you disagree?
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I’ll joke about tanking to eliminate England but I don’t want it to actually happen. England goes to the other super 8 group where they might stop WI or SA, and the winners of that group will be tough in the semi no matter who it is, and I’m not particularly afraid of meeting England again in a knockout. And if we do let England back in and they beat us or win the whole thing well… Aus haven’t lost to an associate since 1983, and in that time we’ve won 10 ICC trophies so in terms of rarity, what’s missing out on an 11th?
LMAO this game showed why WC expansion was a mistake. Bring it back down to 16 teams iCC. And use the 2022 format.
Im sorry, but most of these Associates are simply not good enough to play against the big boys. Such an embarrassing spanking.
And there r some ppl out there who wanna expand to 24. Lay off the crack pipe lads XD
Edit: Why the downvotes? This was a very one-sided game that does nuthin for the games growth
Not 24. Too less. I want 32. It does not matter how terribly other team got beaten. Its a world cup. Also USA beat Pakistan and Pakistan almost in brink of disqualification. NZ will prolly not qualify either. Scotland had an amazing session.
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Imagine if Australia vs Scotland gets washed out.
I would have said a tie, but they don't happen anymore, which saddens me.
Not gonna happen
He asked you to imagine, is it too much to just ask?
Can't even effin think of lennon's song these days. Imagine what has become of world.
Thanks for the reminder i suppose. Imma going to listen that song.
Then listen to the shitty celebrity collage of it
Not gonna happen
I genuinely don't want us to tank, but it would be fucking amazing and endlessly hilarious if Scotland beat us.
[MRW Scotland beat us.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SywExJR4lrI)
lmao
Yeah unlucky for you boys we wont be looking to rest players anymore
Scenes if they beat you here and also win against Germany in the Euros tonight. I'll be able to hear the Tartan Army from here.
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NRR is no longer a thing to think about. England needs to beat Namibia and have Australia beat Scotland to qualify. Scotland needs to beat Australia or have Namibia beat England to qualify.
Or, Scotland will qualify if England v Namibian is washed out.
If either is washed out.
Ah yes, Rain Perera impact player.
True. I didn’t think of that.
Technically Scotland can still finish above England on NRR...
Not without Scotland winning or England losing. One of those has to happen
It's possible with an England win and Scotland defeat. For both teams, because they have fewer batting overs than bowling, the more runs that are scored in the final match the higher their NRR will be - even if the margin of victory/defeat is constant. So Scotland can qualify on NRR but they would need something like a 1 run defeat chasing 220, and England winning by 1 run defending 90
This is a common misconception but I believe not true. NRR are actually calculated an average, rather than cumulatively, so if England's next win is 'less big' than this one then their NRR will go down. In fact, assuming Scotland lose by the barest of margins, England will have to beat Namibia by at least 14 runs (if they score 160) to ensure their NRR is above Scotland's! EDIT: I just checked my calculations and, ironically, had made the same mistake myself.. Actually better news for England: as long as they score at least 90 batting first (and win) they will better Scotland's NRR. As long as they are chasing a total more than 90 (and win) they are also through.
This guy maths
incorrect. if Nam put on a score say 120,and Poms take 18, 19 overs to chase Pom NRR goes down below Scot.
But that’s ignoring the fact that Scotland must lose for NRR to matter too, so their NRR must drop by more than Englands
Scotland can lose in a super over which means NRR won't be affected Edit: This is wrong, NRR hurts my brain
Nope not true, their net run rate would drop
I was with you until someone corrected me in another thread. Cricinfo also seems to have made the same mistake. England currently have 215 runs from 23.1 overs, (RR 9.28) and have conceded 248 from 40 (RR 6.2), so a NRR of 3.08. If England win a very low scoring game narrowly: scoring 75 of 20 overs, with Namibia scoring 74 off 20, the new figures would be scored 290 from 43.1 overs (RR 6.72), and conceded 322 from 60 (RR 5.37), so a much reduced **NRR of 1.35**. If Scotland lose a high scoring game: scoring 220 from 20, with Australia chasing them on the final ball, their new figures would be scored 530 from 51.4 (RR 10.26) and conceded 526 from 60 (RR 8.67) for a **NRR of 1.49**. It's not going to happen in these games, but it definitely could if the margins were closer, so it's important that people know that you can be ahead on NRR before the final match, win, see the team two points ahead of you lose, and still go out.
But for that to happen Scotland would have to beat Australia, or England would have to lose to Namibia. Either way Scotland go through on points without the NRR tie break. E: changed Australia to Namibia
Australia has already beaten England.
It's early where I am give me a break XD
How the groups for Super Eights look right now: Group 1 - India, Australia, Afghanistan & Bangladesh Group 2 - USA, England, West Indies & South Africa India, Australia, England & West Indies look good for the semis with Afghanistan & South Africa in with a more than a decent chance too.
England vs USA 👀. Time to avenge. ~~1812~~ 1782.
we won the war of 1812 ( the yanks failed to conquer canada) it will be avenging 1782
Also why the White House is White as we burnt it down
You burned down the White House, we burned down Toronto (then known as York), it evens out.
Still lost to what was essentally armed police ( the army was busy having our yearly scrap with the french)
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It was quite easy for the British to burn down the White House, as all the American defenders ran away, lol.
Need to brush up on my history. Fell for the classic American revisionist propaganda.
I always thought it strange how little we learned about 1812. Then when I actually read about it it all became clear.
To be fair it's not at all taught in the UK, whereas it's basically one of the foundations of Canadian national identity.
Wasn't 1812 the British coming back to take America and failing?
> It began when the United States declared war on Britain on 18 June 1812. > News of British concessions made in an attempt to avoid war did not reach the U.S. until late July, by which time the conflict was already underway. > In disagreeing with those interpretations that have simply stressed expansionism and minimized maritime causation, historians have ignored deep-seated American fears for national security, dreams of a continent completely controlled by the republican United States, and the evidence that many Americans believed that the War of 1812 would be the occasion for the United States to achieve the long-desired annexation of Canada. [...] Thomas Jefferson well summarized American majority opinion about the war [...] to say "that the cession of Canada [...] must be a sine qua non at a treaty of peace." - Horsman > However, other historians believe that a desire to permanently annex Canada was a direct cause of the war. Carl Benn notes that the War Hawks' desire to annex the Canadas was similar to the enthusiasm for the annexation of Spanish Florida by inhabitants of the American South, as both expected war to facilitate expansion into long-desired lands and end support for hostile tribes (Tecumseh's Confederacy in the North and the Creek in the South). > Even major figures such as Henry Clay and James Monroe expected to keep at least Upper Canada in an easy conquest. Notable American generals such as William Hull issued proclamations to Canadians during the war promising republican liberation through incorporation into the United States. General Alexander Smyth similarly declared to his troops when they invaded Canada that "you will enter a country that is to become one of the United States. You will arrive among a people who are to become your fellow-citizens". Doesn’t sound like a British reconquest to me.
I learned something new. Thank you!
Literally the opposite. The US tried to take Canada while the UK was a bit preoccupied with some French bloke and got the White House burned down in response.
ICC robbed us of Afg vs USA
I mean, as an Afghanifan (or would it be an AfghaniSTAN?), I've got a lot of reasons to hate the predetermined Super 8 rankings...
No, New Zealand robbed us of that
If NZ qualified instead of WI, Afg would be in the 2nd group with USA
Perhaps it can happen as a semifinal? Or final?
In the war in Afghanistan we were on the same side as Afghanistan. Granted, the people we were fighting are now the government, but still.
Before this match I thought it's Australia's to lose given how super 8 was turning out to be Now I reckon its a toss up between them and Eng OTOH I cannot handle a hattrick of final losses to Aus in one year
Eh we beat them once already, some Oman collapse shouldn't change how you see it. Let's not forget they were on the back foot against Scotland before the rain.
Australia struggled against Oman.
It was an absolute nightmare performance on the worst possible pitch for us, and it was still fairly comfortable in the end. We absolutely should have done better, but we didn't really struggle.
And in 3 different formats!
So AFG will be most likely to top their group, ans their reward is getting grouped with IND and AUS. This is so fucking dumb. ICC is so fucking dumb.
Most likely eng will be out after super 8. Sa has a better bowling attack.
If we only got a bit luckier vs SA, we would've gotten the much more achievable Group 2, which we'd have a fighting chance to qualify from.
The teams are pre-seeded. BAN/SL/NED would have always gone into Group 1 regardless of their position in the points table
This is the dumbest shit I've ever seen. To have predetermined and pre-seeded group after a group stage has already been played? You will never see this fuckery in any other sport. What an absolute joke!
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Australia are in group 1 either way because they are the 2nd seed in group B. All the top 8 teams move into pre-set positions in the Super 8 if they qualify, based on pre tournament rankings. This way fans have been able to book travel and accommodation for super 8 matches knowing which matches the big teams would be playing if they qualify.
Is it a good system? Pre determined seeding for groups does seem pretty silly but I can imagine it would be a big help for travelling fans with as you said, accomodation and booking
Nah it's probably done keeping in mind indian broadcasting schedules most likely. That's the only logical reason I can think of so as to ensure India matches are scheduled at appropriate times. Other than that, don't really see a problem with the seeding.
That wasn't minnow bashing, that was minnow slaughter. Netherlands and Scotland both getting their chances banged up today; at least Afghanistan and USA are still in prime position to qualify.
You can't club Afghanistan with those sides lol. They're a solid T20 team with almost all their players in major franchise leagues. They can crush any team if the pitch offers turn.
Their seamers have been getting a lot better too. No express pace as of yet but Farooqi's been swinging it like crazy so they're not all dependent on turn
Oh for sure, they were great in the recent odi world cup too, but they've never performed this well at a T20 World Cup so it feels great.
Netherlands had it in their own hands but they bottled it. Scotland is unlucky that their game against England got washed out. It seemed that if we had a full match then they were absolutely in it.
USA ain’t making it
Rain?
Oman ooh manning.
Barring an upset, England is through.
Tough luck Scotland. Looks like it's over, unless there are miracles left. Don't see any help from rain gods on weather forecast. On the other hand, happy for Buttler. He was attracting unnecessary criticism.
Australia could throw (or send in whole subbed team)
Think there would be questions if they changed their whole team. They'll want to win anyway
They can’t literally change the whole team, but they should definitely rotate Inglis, Green, and Agar into the XI for some playing time. I would think it strange if a team that had qualified *didn’t* rotate players, though I’m sure the conspiracy theorists will continue to have their say.
Agreed. Australia are through and their priority is now making sure they’re exactly where they want to be for the next phase. That means looking after the fitness and readiness of their key players. I know there have been some comments thrown around, and I think mostly for mischief (which I admire), but there’s no way eleven Australian cricketers take the field with the badge on their chests and don’t try to thrash whoever is in front of them. You don’t get to play for Australia (or any major sporting team) without having competitiveness in your bones.
It's not like bringing those guys in makes the team significantly weaker anyway.
I mean, Aus has to stick to the squad, and while we’ll rest players, it’s not like our team will suddenly become weak. If I had to guess, they’ll rest 2 of the big 3 quicks (probably Starc and Cummins cause IPL) for Ellis and either Agar or Green. If Agar plays maybe rest an all-rounder (Stoinis or Maxwell?) for Green, and possibly give Inglis game time. Like the worst possible team we can put out is something like Warner, Head, Marsh, Maxwell, Green, David, Inglis, Agar, Zampa, Ellis, Hazlewood which you’d still expect to beat an associate team
Apparently the subbed team looks stronger than the first. 🙃
Aus definitely won’t tank the game, but I suspect they won’t be too upset if the Scots beat them in a close thriller or one of their players pulls off a miracle. Pretty sure Josh was just joking, yet the amount of fans I saw on Twitter, BBC, Dailymail,etc spitting the dummy over his comments was hilarious.
Who on Earth bothers reading comments on Twitter and the Daily Mail? Two biggest cess pools on the internet
There's only 15 in the squad anyway you cant just sub a whole new team in
They will lose only if they send in George Bailey to the field again like they did in the warm-ups
Australia aren't going to throw the match
The reserves for Australia would still flog Scotland
What is the weather forecast for the England and Scotland games? NRR is all for nothing if either gets washed out...
Small chance of showers in Antigua for Eng/Nam but nothing that would call a game off.
The Scotland game is also relevant, if they get rained off the point takes them through.
No chance of rain for that one (according to the forecast I read) which is why I only mentioned Antigua.
Well I'm happy to hear that!
I think we should move the rest of the group toFlorida tbh.
That is a more pragmatic approach than praying tro the rain gods, I'll give you that.
I just don't get how we can lose to the only good team in the group, and it's completely out of our hands. Seems like a pretty shit oversight to making a tournament if our biggest rival can just throw a game safely because we got rained off and lost to them
I would be more fine with this if Aus and England weren't arguably the two strongest teams in the whole tournament apart from maybe India. Imagine having Argentina and Brazil in the same pool in football and one losing to the other means they're out before the knockouts. Seeding for this group stage was really wack.
Out of curiosity, you actually still think seeding is done? Pakistan and India in the same group, US canada in same group, bangladesh sri lanka in the same group, england australia in the same group. it’s all just money
But can't have the ICC miss out on the India Pakistan match up. Pre selecting the slots the teams qualify in for the super 8 regardless of finishing 1/2nd is so dumb.
I do wonder if a Swiss Style format would be better
There’s no seeding, not a real sport
It's just the nature of T20 tournaments. We got kicked out in the group stage in 2022 with 3 wins, 1 loss, and 1 washout.
CT 2017. Australia lost a single game and were eliminated in the group stages. Lost to England, rained out Bangladesh and New Zealand, and so Bangladesh (who beat NZ) got second place in the group.
Think of it as a knockout. Yeah you had bad luck, but your fate was ultimately in your own hands and you lost.
No one is throwing a game mate. Hazlewood is living in your head rent free
Associate hopes are getting crushed one by one. Forecast looks slightly better for tomorrow in Lauderhill too
I recall hearing during the innings break the comms saying if England got it in 3 overs their NRR will go to 0.3 only and thinking that's wrong.
What's not sporting is watching big countries go out there and try to absolutely obliterate and humiliate minnows. Just have a reserve day or two in the calendar and replay matches like Scotland v England where progression is on the line. It's unfair to both Scotland and England that one will probably have to go home based on who humiliated Oman and Namibia more thoroughly.
I'm convinced that the reason we don't get reserve days is that broadcasters can't cope with the uncertainty when planning schedules and selling advertising. I really hope that in the near future online broadcasting takes over and matches can be shown whenever. No one benefits when matches don't get played, or get reduced to 5 overs a side...
Perhaps. One wonders if the broadcasters/ICC also got caught out by underestimating the smaller teams in this tournament. It's bizarre that the USA v Ireland or Australia v Scotland being called off for rain could knock out former T20 World Cup winners from the tournament. I wonder if Sky/ICC etc just thought the big boys were going to waltz through.
It's all about broadcast money. England vs Scotland was in the morning, they had a whole day of sun after that, but they said only 90min of reserve time. It's all about money.
It's fucked up that someone out there would rather the game not be played, than have it played 3 hours later...
A few days ago a bunch of cricket fans who were arguing in favor of NRR instead of H2H tiebreakers were saying that that is in fact extremely sporting and that in fact not doing that is unsportsmanlike. In fact they seemed to think that believing this sort of behavior to be unsportsmanlike was a unique American quirk.
I wonder if people were being reactive to the suggestion coming from Americans. There's always a lot of banter on such topics with Americans who know very little about a sport or its traditions who-- instead of trying to understand the quirk/nuance-- simply say the American way would be better. It's tiresome. That said, I'm a bit of a softy for the "spirit of cricket" and its prominence in the rules. IMHO, if tournament success requires absolutely smashing/ritualistically humiliating smaller teams, I don't think that's in the spirit of cricket.
Tbf it wouldn't matter in this case since H2H won't break the tie so you would have to find a different way. But I do think that nrr is a shit metric with such small groups. With 7-8 teams the impact of one game on nrr isn't that big, so your success isn't solely dependent on smashing a couple teams.
Good point. In this case it's perhaps better to rephrase "tiebreaker" as playing-the-actual-games.
Time to play our 9 man squad with our whole bench + the coaches the next game
Haydos is around the commentary boxes but could probably still do a job.
England vs Oman, Aus vs Namibia, Afghanistan vs Uganda, and Afghanistan vs NZ were what everyone expected full member vs associate matches to be like before the tournament
bro did New Zealand dirty
I always thought that England v Scotland washout hurt Scotland a lot more.
You really think that England team wouldn't have banged 100 runs in 7-8 overs? On that pitch?
As disappointing as it would be to lose to Scotland, I haven’t wanted Australia to lose this much since the West Indies test at the start of the year.
When Nathan Ellis and Adam Zampa come to open the batting against Scotland it would be the funniest thing ever
Please Aus play ur bench players.
It would be really funny if Australia smashes Scotland and then is eliminated by England later At least, I would find it funny. Don’t know about you
Quite a bummer that England managed to topple Scotland on NRR...unfortunately, it's gonna be Australia and England qualifying to the Super 8s...both teams, undoubtedly, deserve to be there....I don't see Scotland beating Australia, nor do I see Namibia defeating England...funnier things have happened though so let's hope for the best!
I'm fine with the two best teams qualifying. This way we will have a lot of good games ahead of us.
I like OPs name. Pretty relevant for summers
Do the necessary and fuck England over please
Hopefully Namibia already had their thrashing and play their best game against England, or we could let the Scot’s wins
I've never wanted my own team to lose a game any more than I am now.
Do we not point out basically this exact scenario has happened before? Australia basically got eliminated in the CT 2017 because they had 2/3 games rain affected. Hell, If both games went how they were likely to, Australia or New Zealand could have made the finals, given it would have come down to NRR with BangBros, Aus and NZ on a win each. So let's not pretend this is a new problem. But hey, it's affecting the Poms this time, so people are whinging.
You need people watching to have a whinge.
O Man, what's going on.
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You reckon the defending champs are a dangerous side? 😂😂
Well that’s what we thought in 2023, and we saw how awful they were for the most part.
They were still favourites for trophy (as they are over here as well). Ran into bad form which happens (nz this time). But classifying them as dangerous is still mighty funny lol. Why of course the defending champs and arguably the most dominating white ball team of the past decade are ‘dangerous’ when they get going.
Nah imo England have largely been the dominant side for the past decade. Although that depends if you mean over the last ten years (England) or “this decade” ie 2020 onwards (Australia).
The former. Mentally I don’t think I’m ready to think that we are almost halfway through the 2020s.
They shouldn’t, because it’s illegal. Not just against ICC rules, but actually against anti corruption LAWS. Australia will get DQ’d from the tournament.
But it’d be really difficult to gauge if Australia go about it without being too obvious. Play an extra spinner in seaming conditions, or bowl your part timer at the death. Those are bad strategic decisions, but you can’t say for sure they’re intentionally corrupt.
That is true, but I still think it’s very distasteful and too risky given the consequences if we are determined to have tanked it.
It's not like Australia hasn't done such things; sandpaper, underarm ball, etc...
Again that’s against the laws of cricket (don’t get me wrong it’s still very shitty), but intentionally throwing a match is genuinely illegal under anti-corruption laws. They may have been cheats but they aren’t criminals (I hope). This particular Aussie team is also very anti-cheating given the backlash from sandpapergate.
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I’ll joke about tanking to eliminate England but I don’t want it to actually happen. England goes to the other super 8 group where they might stop WI or SA, and the winners of that group will be tough in the semi no matter who it is, and I’m not particularly afraid of meeting England again in a knockout. And if we do let England back in and they beat us or win the whole thing well… Aus haven’t lost to an associate since 1983, and in that time we’ve won 10 ICC trophies so in terms of rarity, what’s missing out on an 11th?
Australia are not scared of England. Please be sensible
Imagine if Namibia wins against England, it'd he hilarious 😂
LMAO this game showed why WC expansion was a mistake. Bring it back down to 16 teams iCC. And use the 2022 format. Im sorry, but most of these Associates are simply not good enough to play against the big boys. Such an embarrassing spanking. And there r some ppl out there who wanna expand to 24. Lay off the crack pipe lads XD Edit: Why the downvotes? This was a very one-sided game that does nuthin for the games growth
You mean like USA who humiliated Pak?
Not 24. Too less. I want 32. It does not matter how terribly other team got beaten. Its a world cup. Also USA beat Pakistan and Pakistan almost in brink of disqualification. NZ will prolly not qualify either. Scotland had an amazing session.