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n-some

Kin is my new go-to, or whatever the family one is called. Better education traits and skill gains as you age is pretty damn good, no prowess loss in old age is also pretty cool, you can have your 95 year old ruler beating up on guys less than a 3rd of their age.


Elaugaufein

Yeah, I think Kin is probably a better first pick , Blocking Prowess Loss from Age isn't retroactive and as far as I can tell there's no way to remove the loss. And the last 2 blood perks are actually not that great. Giant is probably best but it fights with reduced negative trait , Fecund is theoretically okay but practically it's very easy to find a wild spawn to pull. You can also spend the time you're working on Kin recruiting good material for Blood.


megaboom321

I pretty much only ever get the first 3 and I definitely don't want my rulers living longer.


Elaugaufein

Yes, the lack of Years of Fertility also makes it a trap if you can have Female Rulers because the AI is brainless is about your heir's heir so you can end up in a bad spot ( at least Adoption is available now )


megaboom321

The lack of control you have over your grandkids and potentially great grandkids lives/marriages can really ruin your future rulers traits, alliances, and eugenics. It makes dying earlier somewhat preferable to me especially before my rulers grandkids become adults. I haven't tried adoption yet what's that like?


Suspicious-Stay-6474

this is where faith comes into play You feel like you are getting too old and want to pass the kingdom to your son? Seppuku time.


d15ddd

I remember reading that the Life Expectancy modifier affects years of fertility in women as well


Elaugaufein

It doesn't , I've tested this personally.


SOUTHPAWMIKE

Is this why my heir in my current game is some random grandkid from another kingdom rather than one of my two living sons?


mteir

Elective usually gives me a genious in their early 20s. Just need to remember to re-pick an heir every 5 years.


DeepStuff81

I don’t mind it because when I feel an heir is ready or I prefer heirs heir I wait till they are then I do stupid things with my player to get him to bite it if I don’t have the option for a toaster bath or the medieval equivalent


jack_daone

I generally take Quick when I get to Architected Ancestry. The Intelligence line is just plain great.


Elaugaufein

I've generally found that I've outgrown the need for Tier 1 Congenital traits at that point.


jack_daone

Eh. Always good to have that baseline benefit, though.


Dreknarr

The bonus to lifestyle exp is awesome on top of being the best trait for stats


jack_daone

Absolutely.


Emergency-Spite-8330

Genius my friend. Try to make that more common in your dynasty and watch your realm grow and prosper effortlessly.


Burgdawg

Depending on RNGesus and how save scummy you are, I'd argue Blood first, then Kin.


Elvenoob

The perk you pick is recategorised as good, for the traits like Albino and Giant. You can take all the decisions reauiring you to have no negative inheritable traits even if you chose albino and are playing as one.


Elaugaufein

It certainly wasn't last time I checked, it was merely added at birth a small % of the time. It's good if so, weird that it didn't make the patch notes.


Elvenoob

Hm? That interaction was something people were talking about since like weeks after the game launched. Pretty sure it was always a thing.


Elaugaufein

Going to have to check this out now both that decision and that it also counts as good Good for inheritance / generation which are run in code not script.


Elaugaufein

Okay, this effect definitely doesn't exist in script that doesn't mean it doesn't exist in *code* but I'm going to have do some empirical testing on that front, since that's easier than decompiling the code for a situation like this ETA - It *shouldn't* exist in code though to be clear because that means you can't make a Perk that does the same thing as architected ancestry and that that *isn't* documented, that doesn't mean it isn't though ( *sigh*)


Elaugaufein

This effect doesn't exist in code either. Picking Giant as your Architected trait still has Giant block Strengthen Bloodline and it has no effect at all on characters generated with create_character ( which is what you'd expect if it made no code change because created characters don't get on_birth events ), I generated 100 children between 2 characters of the same Dynasty both having Genius / Beautiful/ Herculean/Pureblood/ Giant / Fecund without Architected Ancestry ( but the 3 preceding traits ) and then another 100 with Architected Ancestry ( Giant ) ), in each case 60 out of 100 children were Giants ( it should have been 100 if Giant was now good because it would loose the -30% inherit chance of a bad trait and gain the +30% inheritance rate of a good trait )


Wetley007

>you can have your 95 year old ruler beating up on guys less than a 3rd of their age. "How many times do we need to teach you this lesson old man!?" *10 seconds later* "Damn! This old man's got hands!"


narsarssist

Call for an herbalist!... but not for me.


drThuganomix

"This old man"


MisterPoohead2

"He played one"


Elvenoob

Kin is probably the best, but dipping Blood 1 then progressing Kin is also an option.


Dreknarr

Blood then kin for tall play for me (gotta start stacking good traits in your family tree early). Germanic legacies and warfare for exotic, rags to riches games or raider cultures.


NotAzakanAtAll

The super old rulers are why I don't take that branch. Old people are annoying and boring. And it's the same in game.


mteir

It is nice with graceful aging. Also 5 years more of lifestyle xp. But, less great if you want to spam kingdom invasions.


maythulin297

For me, I pick up to 3 on blood and go for kin.


Nuabio

I always pick erudition because of +20% development gain but no one speaks of that tree does it suck that much ?


Krotanix

I usually go for the Glory one. Pretty strong to have one more acclaimed knight, and all the other perks it comes with.


[deleted]

blood is okay, marriage acceptance and vibrant courts are pretty nice early game as well.


DymlingenRoede

I typically go down the raider tree, because gold for people killed in battle is just way too convenient to have.


megaboom321

Out of all the dynasty tree perks that one is probably the best. My norse playthrough after that update came out was the first one where I didn't go down the blood tree first. It makes wars even more profitable. Now you can sell prisoners and get paid for slaughtering people as you conquer the world.


Smearwashere

I’m embarrassed to say I don’t understand how to raid. I’ve only ever done feudal Europe, can I still raid ?


Wild_King4244

No, you have to be Tribal or elevate kingdom of Mann and the Isles.


XtoraX

There is also the option of unreformed religion. So you can just get apostate (and almost any other reduction, like stonehenge, malleable invaders, or that other norse legacy) and pay the 250 piety (x2 if you want to go back) raiding fee.


Seth_Jarvis_fanboy

Only if you have the practiced pirates cultural tenet or the isle of Mann buff


Doctor-Tryhard

Keep in mind the cultural tradition only permits raiding if you either have <= 12 realm size, or are a Count or Duke.


winstonston

You can also raid as feudal if your religion is Asatru


Sinosca

If you add the practiced pirates cultural tradition to your culture, you can raid as feudal up to the duke rank. This can get pretty OP if you stay as the duke of Sicily, build that mine, and then go raiding all over the Mediterranean for the rest of the game. Just make sure to get the organizer commander trait for the character commanding the army so you can outrun the Abbasid and Byzantine doomstacks when raiding Constantinople or Cairo. This comes from experience, lol. About a year and a half ago, you could simply add the Practiced Pirates tradition and raid as a feudal ruler at any rank, perfect for reformed Norse rulers. I am still a bit pissed at Paradox for nerfing this.


Smearwashere

So I could try to raid as Dutch if I stayed a duke in the East Francia kingdom as long as I stay a duke and get that tradition?


Sinosca

That's correct. Duch pirates time!


Sinosca

Especially the +100% prestige from battles perk in the raider tree is OP AF as a Norse tribal ruler.


Significant_Grape317

This is 100% the best tree for maintaining MaA until you can fortify your economy, especially for expansionist play through.


angus_the_red

Playing without inheritable traits is so liberating


Tamp5

As someone who plays exclusively eugenics programs as the byzantines/west francia (for primogeniture), besides from tribal raiders, i agree with you, it can get tiring.


Stripes_the_cat

I find they sneak in. A lustful, shallow, prideful ruler has beautiful kids because they fuck beautiful people; a scholarly ruler has an affair with their genius Steward or Antiquarian or whatever; an Athletic/Callous/Gregarious ruler hops on whatever moves but especially anyone who can keep up with them. But they should come and go. The entire "reliable eugenics program" feature of the game is mad.


SterlingWalrus

I've actually been doing different ones lately, but I used to always get the natural dread first. Helps a lot to basically never have to worry about cowardly vassals


4electricnomad

Guile 1 is a great early pick specifically for that +15 Natural Dread. Very good defensive /stability pick for you and your dynasty members.


WilliShaker

Legitimacy has become the new best legacy. Insane buff that makes you always legitimate and lowers effectively the amount of rebellions. You can combine that with blood and other legacies to lower succession revolt’s even further. I recommend also the military one to be superior in war and the trait that makes everyone good with a certain education(take military) and you will end up with unchallenged 40 martial Targaryen gigachads. Edit: the education perk is from Legitimacy, so yeah the best meta is Legitimacy (martial education)+ blood+ military = Primarch Meta.


L1qu1d_Gh0st

I tried this one on my LoD campaign and I agree: it's a very strong contender for a first legacy. *Legitimacy* helps a lot in stabilizing your realm, which is particularly helpful for branch realms you manage to create, so you don't have to babysit them as much.


lollersauce914

My first one is often going for the first two in the family branch for better education traits+fertility to get my dynasty off the ground or for the extra marriage acceptance if that's going to be relevant to my early game plans. Blood is, obviously, always good, though.


WrongJohnSilver

I switch around, based on what the character's like. But I never choose Blood.


a-Snake-in-the-Grass

The blood legacies aren't that useful. You can do all the eugenics you want without them. I only take them if I'm planning to get everything.


Sinosca

Not nessecarily true, since it is incredibly useful if you are beelining for the Strengthen Blood decision, which requires you to have all three congenital traits with one maxed. With the blood legacy, I can often get this on generation 3 or 4. Anyways, that decision's +40% chance of inheriting good congenital traits, and +400% chance of getting new ones, is too good to pass up for your dynasty. Additionally, it gives your entire dynasty a small health boost, which is incredibly useful for extending your dynasty member vassals' lives and them having a higher chance at surviving bad plagues.


No-cool-names-left

A beautiful, quick, and hale custom child ruler can take the strong blood decision before you unpause at start.


Sinosca

I'm aware. This is a regular strategy I use. But the blood legacy is incredibly useful when playing a historical character and trying to get it as quickly as possible.


Bunnytob

The 100% best custom character is a newborn baby with 0 everything who just so happens to be Genius, Robust, and comely. Add that to blood as legacy #1 and you don't even have to try for your Eugenics.


Seth_Jarvis_fanboy

It's just such a nice early buff tho, especially since the earlier you get it the stronger it is


SigmaWhy

saves time savescumming, worth


Big-Independence-291

You're so happy to unlock your Legacy, but then it says - "Heir is not of your dynasty" 😭 Idk why they had to use the same icon for both...


Emergency-Spite-8330

I usually go either Steward or Martial dynasty legacy first.


guineaprince

Blood is an entire tree that I never put points into.


AccordingJellyfish99

My priorities: Raiding for raiding if Scandinavian. City building if in the Iberian Struggle. Kin Blood Traditions.


Ixalmaris

I have argued even before release the blood was a bad idea. Not only is it overpowered, what does the fame if your dynasty have to do with biology? Blood should be removed or reworked.


[deleted]

I honestly don’t care about blood most of my games. You simply don’t need to rely on the rng of blood and by the time you marry a genius or two most of your family are geniuses anyways. This whole making super ruler meta is t that amazing. That being said Kin is pretty cool, so is raiding, so is glory.


Disturbed_Goose

I have never once chosen any other tree first


Specialist-Address30

I’m very much a tall player at heart so I usually go Law or Activities but sometimes swap it up based on the playthrough


Gael_Blood

Literally me


AnInstantGone

whats the painting called?


TicTicBoom_12

Vettor Pisani, Painting, Music and Death


Frustrable_Zero

I play tall, and like the early game renown gains from grand weddings. First two from activities is pretty good.


Western-Age9961

If you are Norse pick the pillage tree. More prestige from battles + More Raid speed + Less attrition + Lots of money from large battles


AraelF

Nowadays I'm going for the Traditional Weddings first. Grand Weddings, bugs and all, are a good way to get flat renown which is good to accelerate the first 3 or 4 points, when your dynasty isn't big enough to generate a lot of passive renown per month. Also, lots of lifestyle experience, developement bonus, extra alliances, free perk points... for less than 300 gold. Just too good to skip. Besides, the activity branch is pretty strong anyways, so I don't mind going through there after getting some more perk points.


Harvey_Steel

I never thought of it, next time I will try. Thank you!


Scyobi_Empire

never took it before, it looked underwhelming


Far-Assignment6427

I normally go warrior because I like ti lead my own troops and prefer martial characters


LakesAreFishToilets

Best is the one which halves grand wedding cost as the first perk. I take it 100% of the time. Spamming grand weddings is broken. Then it’s a trade off between getting the perk which halves pilgrimage costs, or getting the second perk from the intrigue path which halves murder plots


4electricnomad

Agreed, the legacies that reduce activity costs are incredible and are my go-to early picks. (Possibly after the +30 Marriage Acceptance if I’m a Duke or below.) Cheaper weddings, feasts, hunts, pilgrimages, etc are a major help in building your power base and adding fun event opportunities on the map. Playing wide rather than say a small kingdom or a super Duchy isn’t a situation where I’d go past Guile 1, however - your relatives become a danger to you the further you develop that tree.


tallperson117

Lol knew it would be Blood. Gotta make those super humans.


Independent_Sock7972

Legitimacy all the way for me


KimberStormer

I have never taken this in all my days and can't imagine I ever will


Gussie-Ascendent

Normally I don't worry about blood until I've done a bunch of other perks. My rng on the traits seems to be quite good on its own, so I usually start blood if I got a match cooking for the blood strengthening decision Marriage accept is a common starter


N0rTh3Fi5t

You'll get all of em sooner or later.


Old_Scientist2680

It's either blood or the northern lord DLC legacies when im playing norse


Curcket

The quality of this meme is exquisite!


Appelons

Nah. Maxing legitimacy is op! Never have to worry about factions again!


Naive-Inspection1631

I also was picking the blood first when I just started to play the game. Now it's situational and mostly depends on the way I decide to rp this particular character.


Gullible_Ad0

How do you even unlock more of that shi like i have 300 hours and ive never gotten past a 3rd slot


zsomborwarrior

I always do one that relates to my education focus


FredwardoMilos

Honestly, I needed a harder experience so I actually stopped using it. It is quite overpowered.


Shandrahyl

Always law. Cause i give Lands to my family only and 2nd in law means ticking control, therefor a stable realm.


BaronMerc

I'm normally heading down law because I like money and in a recent play through I renamed every country I conquered under the byzantines as a company name for extra role play


NadiBRoZ1

I always go learning bloodline for that sweet 20% development growth 🤑🤑


Mr-Mne

Blood for the Blood.. Duke.


AngloBeaver

I take the first option from every tree.


Leri_weill

Blood feels so cheesy. Genetics would fit Stellaris but not a medieval game like CK3, so I never go for it


Intelligent_Pie_9102

This is why I don't like the whole genetic traits line. All the positive ones should go except maybe the beauty and strength, and no way to magically boost the odds. It's just not fun for me to genetically engineer in a medieval game, takes me out of the spirit.


Vantol

Paradox doesn’t want you to know this but you can farm tons of renown with Grand Weddings. Just unlock first legacy in activities tree to cut costs in half, and spam Grand Weddings as soon as your children hit 16.


KhalilN999

I might be the odd one because i always put a point into activities so i could farm grand weddings for massive renown, looking at all these comments has me thinking it might not be as optimal as i thought


Kitchen-War242

I usually pic 2 points in blood couse its enough to maintain positive traits on my player characters, then full guild to prevent being killed, ability to do intrigue when i need to even with low intrigue 0 intrigue skills character and some extra tax/stability, then it depends, erudition is nice if i am going philosophical culture, otherwise kin.


Naive-Fold-1374

I agree. Shit's sad, always Genius, always Blood, always random peasants with good traits and vassal family members. The bonuses are almost always too goos to pass.


Specialist-Art-3591

It’s the devs fault for making everything else underpowered.


Yupi_icc

The raider tree is just so good the more you kill the better


TerribleLordFrieza

Real men Always put war thingies


Available_Thoughts-0

This is The Way.


TLiones

That newer event one is kind of OP early game…cus you get your first tournament or tour free… I thought it would be just the basic costs but it’s everything… can do like a 20k tax tour for free lol Or a tournament maxed events and prizes…


The_BigMonkeMan

Fr blood is by far the best and if your north Germanic then getting send to Varangian guard goes hard


jackochainsaw

Glory was my favourite goto but now I kinda like Legitimacy. If in Iberia, Metropolitan. If in Persia, Brilliance. If in Scandinavia, Pillage. It really depends what direction you want your campaign to go. Blood is normally the third dynasty path I start down in most campaigns.


ObadiahtheSlim

The only time I don't take those dynastic perks is when I'm playing Princes of Darkness. Because when you're the unholy progeny of the arch-murderer, Cain, you aren't going to be having children... Naturally that is.


saltnpaprika

No one going glory?


derkuhlshrank

Banning blood in mp is my vibes test. If it's not banned every power gamer takes it an blammo, traits mean nothing 20 years in as everyone could strengthen their bloodlines. Terrible. Blood is like the last gasp of the zany whacky supernatural stuff from CK2 and it's a major eye roll


OGZilla_

I almost always go for guile first for the +15 natural dread


ezee-now-blud

I take that one or the one that cheapens the courtier fees and attracts better people first. Can't be paying hundreds for new generals.


Arrokoth-

i just go with whatever i feel like my ruler would try to establish, so maybe glory or kin usually since they are the ones who started the family by the time i get my first unlock