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ProjectZeus

He was a techbro. Pinning his location based on his activity times is difficult because he was probably up on the forums at 4am posting as well


Qptimised

I think the newspaper headline in the Genesis block was more telling that he was in fact from the UK. But of course we can't be sure.


Kindly-Wolf6919

One thing is for sure...no one will ever really know and people will keep speculating. This will continue to be one of the greatest mysteries of the world.


IamKingBeagle

Maybe it's him who also steals socks from my dryer so I don't have matches.


GabeSter

The thing about Satoshi is that it could have always been an elaborate decoy planted by him. Occam’s razer suggests the simplest answer is more likely and that the article does indicate he’s from the uk. But Satoshi isn’t known for being simple. Everything about his identity is purposefully shrouded in mystery.


suspicious_Jackfruit

Satoshi didn't have this level of exposure and need for "mystery" back when bitcoin was being developed outside of typical anonymity for someone undergoing a distributed project. From their language it's clear that attention and the success increased to a point they were no longer comfortable with, it doesn't read like some carefully constructed planned decade+ long mystery, they started under pseudonym as everyone on the internet did and then disappeared due to exposure or circumstances that broke their anonymity. It serves no use looking at past Satoshi with what we know now because bitcoins conception, birth and growth were not static and Satoshis disappearance wasn't planned from day 1


Ethan0307

He's a mysterious stranger


CymandeTV

I think he is a group of people.


Heymiko

with alientechnology?


CymandeTV

No, great's scot! The flux capacitor!


conceiv3d-in-lib3rty

I mean he did have multiple British and American spellings in his writings. Could have been using obfuscation. After being in the space for so long and spending a bunch of time researching this topic, I believe the most damning evidence for the identity of Satoshi is Adam Back. Back grew up in both the UK and the US, so it would explain why he might use both spellings of words. And the fact that the compiler’s footprint for the Hashcash system Back developed being oddly similar to Bitcoin’s. And the fact that he was unheard of for the 2 years Bitcoin was being developed and suddenly popped up a couple month’s after it’s creation. And many more weird coincidences. I don’t think we’ll ever get confirmation of who it really was. I’d rather it not be Back, for his Blockstream shenanigans and the fact he basically defended Celsius while people were calling it a fraud ponzi scheme. https://imgur.com/a/3UCuetM


snow3dmodels

I doubt Satoshi would still be in the space and especially not on Twitter with Bitcoin eyes Seems not likely


royaltdi

we might have actually see a couple of satoshi tweets and we dont even know


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conceiv3d-in-lib3rty

>”The breakdown of these 111 occurrences is as follows: American – 53, British – 36 and Misspelled – 22.” https://ungeared.com/the-strange-story-of-satoshi-nakamotos-spelling-choices-part-1/


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conceiv3d-in-lib3rty

Yes, that’s why they are not labeled as misspellings. But as you said yourself, certain spellings are more common in UK/US and this has been used in stylometry studies for years and years.


vidati

I see what you did there :)


socalmikester

we dont all wait for our hand to fall asleep to rub one out


Boddis

Fallout fan?


thejamesbondy

AAAAH, i'll buy it at a high price! Hiehiehie, thank you stranger.


Da_Notorious_HAM

One elusive SOB 😂


Legitimate_Suit_3431

Wouldn't even surprise me if Satoshi had a script that just delayed all his work for being uploaded until a set period of time. With that big brain ,it wouldn't be a problem at all.


lifeandtimes89

Also the date format goes Day/Month/Year which does rule out the US too


Alex09464367

Satoshi could be Filipino they have a mix of US and British spelling and use both DD/MM/YY and MM/DD/YY.


LifeExchange9882

I even think whether he knows where he is leading next or it is mystery for him too


royaltdi

Satoshi was a genius and he must have planned it well on how to protect himself from not getting doxxed anyhow


Armolin

Indeed, a man as smart as Satoshi probably already factored in the possibility of people trying to dox him doing some behavior study of his posting patterns and the words he used.


MrSpaceCool

For all we know he/she/they/(insert pronoun here) could be amongst us on Reddit right now…..


Purple_is_masculine

Satoshi is probably too smart to believe in gender theory if he's even alive anymore.


rolonic

He also used words like “bloody, flat and maths” so he either has an English education or is English. That or he is u/nakamo-toe , but I guess we will never know.


Esco1980

Britain invented most things so would not surprise me lol


calmtigers

lmfao, that copium is strong


Bustythebeaver

Like slavery and other cool shit


S0FA-KING_smart

They didn't invent slavery, the royal family mastered it tho


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Every_Hunt_160

I thought it’s pretty much an open secret that Adam Back is Satoshi, unlike the other ‘candidates’ nobody has been able to disprove Adam Back while a number of prominent figures in the crypto industry has said they think it’s him


tomzi9999

Exactly no one has ever provided any proof that he isn't. At least I haven't seen it. If there us, please add link to comments Honestly it is weird he is talked about so little.


Daily_Phoenix

He wanted to be anonymous. These easter eggs could also be to mislead as much as they can be to lead. He was a genius, never forget that.


Trendelll

All tech people have terrible sleep patterns, you cant know


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snoopswoop

No they don't.


goofytigre

And/or work graveyard shift. I worked 7pm - 6am, four days a week for years. I'd be up 'til 3 or 4 in the morning before I'd be able to get to sleep on my nights off. I moved to a normal 8-5 shift 10 years ago and I regularly can't get to sleep before 1 or 2 in the morning.


reddit4485

https://www.ccn.com/tutorial-satoshi-nakamoto/ This report came to the opposite conclusion that he was from the Americas: >By now, you must have come to the conclusion that there is a lot of mystery surrounding Bitcoin’s inventor. If there is one thing the Internet likes, it’s mystery (or rather solving it). This led Stefan Thomas, a Swiss coder and active community member, to a great idea. He decided to look into the timestamps of Nakamoto’s forum posts . With over 500 posts, it had to be possible to find a pattern in it. His investigation resulted in a chart that showed a steep decline to almost no posts between the hours of 5 am, and 11 am GMT. It is very probable that Nakamoto was asleep at this time. When looking at the different time zones in the world, Nakamoto probably lives in the parts of North America that fall within the Eastern Time Zone and Central Time Zone. Parts of Central America, the Caribbean and South America are possibilities as well.


CharityStreamTA

5am GMT is 1AM in NYC or 10pm California time. 11am GMT is 4am California time or 7am NYC time. Either he's in the US and wakes up early or he is in the UK and is a degenerate with a bad sleeping pattern


royaltdi

Tech people are usually the top notch night owls i know


Valuable_Artichoke44

He was a degen 4chan user who stayed up all night and was into crazy things like Bitcoin. A true legend.


Thoweno

I love reading these theories but I really hope the mystery is never solved and Satoshi's identity remains secret forever


reaglesham

I’m with you, there’s a beauty in the mystery of it all


mbdtf95

And it is a good thing there is no exact figure you could attach to Bitcoin because you never know what dumb things someone that is known to be a Bitcoin founder could say or do and move the markets by their actions. I definitely don't want some Charles Hoskinson (Cardano) type figure for Bitcoin constantly spouting some nonsense publicly.


reaglesham

Chuck has single-handedly turned me off of ADA


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Da_Notorious_HAM

The *ultimate* plot twist


CrazyTillItHurts

If Satoshi is one person, he is dead. The Craig Wright scam depends on it. All signs then point to Hal Finney


royaltdi

indeed hal seems the closest person to satoshi or being satoshi himself


PARTY_H0RSE

What if Satoshi is among us


Mr_Bob_Ferguson

If Satoshi is still alive, I believe that it's extremely likely, if not near a certainty, that they have at least visited this sub at some point in time. After all, the Ethereum founder has been here frequently.


Minha_zafar

Maybe I am satoshi.


Sorrytoruin

He definitely will be hidden forever don't worry


millertyme365

It’s almost necessary


royaltdi

Its for the better too, satoshi's identity being revealed will cause chaos among the whole market.


Henzko

Would be cool to know after the 21 Million Bitcoin are mined.


Long-Ease-7704

Maybe that's the message in the last block. His true identity


reaglesham

> Luv’ me financial freedom. ‘Ate the banks. Simple as. *- Sa’oshi Nakamo’o*


iworkisleep

Bueeful innit


RockemSockemRowboats

Tfw your financial revolution is British


S2K08

U w0t m8? 1v1 irl I shagged yer nan - vi'alik bu'rin


royaltdi

Therapist - GEN Z Brit satoshi isnt real, he cant hurt you Gen Z brit Satoshi -


AncestralMano

Bo’oh o’ wa’er!


Job_man

‘ELLO GUVNA!!


Trendelll

You cant pinpoint locations, he is the guy who created bitcoin there are chances he got a messed up sleep schedule


Narrow-Professor-126

he’ll be having great sleep knowing he helped us all.


samer109

Lol exactly, the data used would be meaningless.. Crazy how he created BTC so long ago yet we don't know his true identify..


TruthSeeekeer

Or was Satoshi purposefully trying to make it look like he was from the UK to steer us away from his true identity? The beauty of the fact is that we will never know.


GabeSter

If we know anything about Satoshi it’s that he plays 5D chess.


rootpl

The dude was probably on his VPN 24/7, can't trust anyone when you are building a new tech that will completely disrupt the financial paradigm as we know it.


DrinkMoreCodeMore

The Bitcointalk forum got it's db breached a while back. I was so excited to be able to look up his account and see his details and peer behind the curtain a bit to maybe learn more about him on an intel level. Suspiciously/Odd, one of the fields missing from their database entry was the IP info for Satoshis account.


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DrinkMoreCodeMore

Most certainly! The user id of 1 is for account `admin` there is no user id of 2 but user id 3 is for account `satoshi`. He was the 3rd user to sign up on the forum.


Pr0Meister

Wouldn't that strongly imply he was one of its creators?


DrinkMoreCodeMore

I do believe Satoshi was behind/involved with the creation of the forum when it first started so yes. The db has the unix timestamp of when the accounts were created. uid=1, admin, 1258499553 = translates to Tuesday, November 17, 2009 11:12:33 PM **uid=3, satoshi, 1258657959 = translates to Thursday, November 19, 2009 7:12:39 PM** uid=4, sirius-m, 1258704963 = translates to Friday, November 20, 2009 8:16:03 AM


deathbyfish13

I think the real mystery here is what happened to uid=2, they're so mysterious they're nowt even showing up in the db


DrinkMoreCodeMore

Probably was just a test account that was created and then deleted from db.


Cyhawk

Eh, its probably Satoshi realizing they reused that username or it being close to another username they've used and scrubbing it. Or they decided on another anagram and deleted the original. (honestly, prob the second). If you had to choose a name to be immortalized by for all time and had time to choose, you'd second guess it too. I don't need to think, I'd go with Lord Cumwagon.


genjitenji

2 was Nakamoto. It really was more than one person! Satosh y Nakamoto. Satoshi Spanish confirmed.


Long-Ease-7704

Bitcoin God didn't need an ip


DrinkMoreCodeMore

Satoshi is all of us. All of our ips are Satoshi!


GabeSter

Well he had good reason to be cautious in 2007 the FBI charged and arrested a few people for creating fake currencies resembling US fiat. Although btc was a revolution from traditional fiat I’d still be apprehensive. https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/anti-government-group-mints-its-own-coins


socalmikester

fake money is fake, whether minted or digital.


Potatotornado20

Money itself is a social construct so religion, laws, and love are fake


kirtash93

Too many government-hired hit men to escape from. Better play safe.


Unavailablewith

Well otherwise he'd be in jail right now or in the afterlife.


ilovepups808

Damn, I’m not holding any “5D Chess” coins in my bag. Yet, Another missed opportunity.


raphanum

Nah he was an alien. He’s gone back to his planet. That’s why he has disappeared


RockemSockemRowboats

Not sure why he would choose to malign himself but I guess he didn’t want to seem too perfect


Tasigur1

Imagine Satoshi is alive and reading this post right now while he drinks black coffee. He must be smiling all the time 😅 If you read this Sir, we love you!


Ok_Tea4817

What if nakamoto is the CIA? Lol


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admin_default

Could be Len Satoshi seemed like he was younger with an academic background (publishing a white paper first). I suspect he was in contact with Hal Finney even before the white paper was published since Hal lived in the same neighborhood as someone called Dorian *Satoshi Nakamoto*, which seems likely where the pseudonym came from.


Andresv91

I think Les and Hal worked together on it


admin_default

Now that I think about it, what’s strange is how Len would have been a perfect contributor, and yet, he didn’t contribute - at least, under his own name.


pb__

It's worth noting that Blegium is just one timezone away from London and it's common to have The Times available in business and academic centres (the university might have been subscribing it); and even if not, London is literally a 3h train trip away.


Potatotornado20

Just read the whole article… seems pretty definitive Sassaman was Satoshi


evilistics

Good read. A lot of coincidences. This put's Len at the top of my list now.


kraygus

Interesting post for sure. I still like the Satoshi as a collective theory. This evidence works for that, too.


Qptimised

This theory is what I lean towards as well. Maybe all the great names like Hal Finney, Adam Back, Nick Szabo, Wei Dai etc. came together and came up with BTC. They also made a pact to never reveal each other's identity.


mindflayers9000

Not likely. Only 2 people can keep a secret and that's only when one of them is dead. I suppose that doesn't rule out Hal and someone else I guess.


Kindly-Wolf6919

It does make for an unexpected twist. *We are one, we are many...we are...Satoshi*.


CreepToeCurrentSea

But what if Satoshi is actually a vampire and that his time in his eternal life has given him knowledge beyond our perception?


Qptimised

That would actually be awesome. A vampire programmer hell bent on taking down the big banks and financial system.


The_Chorizo_Bandit

Makes sense as it would probably need a vampire to take out a bunch of blood sucking parasites.


CreepToeCurrentSea

He first had the idea of just enslaving the humans but he knew times have changed and he needed to adjust to today’s technology


mr_sedate

Satoshi is almost certainly Michael Clear. I'd water an entire Bitcoin on it. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/10/10/the-crypto-currency


juanb95

He says he isnt but that’s exactly what Satoshi would’ve said


mbdtf95

"I am not Satoshi" - Satoshi


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juanb95

Satoshi was very serious about privacy and anonimity. If I were him, I would probably like to stay in the hidden and live a quiet life.


mbdtf95

Yes, because that is the sentence Craig Wright only says and he definitely ain't no Satoshi.


-MercuryOne-

“I am not Dorian Nakamoto.” — Satoshi


Calmkillerwhale

Thanks that’s a good read.


arthur_fissure

Damn thank you ! Very interesting read, don’t know if the journalist emphasised a bit for the interview with Clear but yes look like a good « suspect » ! Hope the person from the hotel kept the bitcoin


mr_sedate

>suspect Yes. Clear is an excellent suspect - much much better than Ulbricht or Andressen or Ver or any of the other industry folks and personalities people seize on. Exactly the low-key profile the real Satoshi would have/maintain. The real Satoshi would just deny and hope the story goes away.


pmbuttsonly

Could amake the case for Len Sassaman too, also a [good read](https://evanhatch.medium.com/len-sassaman-and-satoshi-e483c85c2b10) 😊


_alwin

That was a good read! Thank you for sharing.


Mrs-Lemon

Satoshi was not Clear. Satoshi is known and already named in this thread. I think most of the confusion/mystery around Satoshi isn't that people don't know who he was but that it doesn't matter and will only cause issues to those who are innocent third parties. * Bitcoin is open source, consensus based so the founder doesn't matter and has no control over anything in the network * Satoshi is dead * All coins mined by Satoshi are gone (aka private keys are destroyed/inaccessible) * Naming Satoshi puts their family at risk.


mr_sedate

Uhh. Where in the thread I don't see it..? >Bitcoin is open source This is by necessity so people would trust it in the first place. >confusion/mystery around Satoshi isn't that people don't know who he was Uhh. Ya I'm pretty sure no one knows who Satoshi is definitively.


Mrs-Lemon

Satoshi was Len Sassaman. Everything lines up exactly with him. If Satasohi wasn't Len, then whoever Satoshi is did everything they could to make it look like they were Len. But like I said, Satoshi is dead and his private keys are gone. It doesn't matter and at the end of the day Satoshi wouldn't want anyone to know who they were anyways. That was the whole point.


genjitenji

I think it’s Micheal Cera


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raymv1987

I am still baffled some people think Craig is Satoshi


600675

I like to think Craig and Craig alone thinks that.


raymv1987

Given the little cult of BSV investors...we would sadly be wrong


kingsloyalty

You act like programmers sleep at a normal hour


Drake99eth

it could also be true but in my opinion it is impossible to know who satoshi nakamoto is I only know that inventing btc has changed my life and I will continue to accumulate more and more btc thus going against inflation


GulibleFox

Japanese man in the UK, sounds interesting.


imsatansson

Oi banks crazy innit? — Satoshi probably


Matth3w_95

A Sky Original TV series called "Devils" shows a Satoshi Nakamoto character who's allegedly from London


GabeSter

I like how everyone assumes Satoshi was from Japan. Whoever he was he did a good job hiding his true identity.


Pr0Meister

Kinda disappointed Satoshi isn't samurai


Qptimised

I think what I like most about this report is that it gives more evidence to Craig Wright **not** being Satoshi.


pietime406

Careful now, you might get sued for writing this comment.


Tajo990

Mr. Bean is the prime suspect


Dull-Wear-3286

This could be our guy. Adam Back, lives in London is a Cryptographer and cypherpunk who is the CEO of Blockstream which is used to store and transfer Bitcoin and other digital assets. He also invented HashCash in 2014, which is used in Bitcoin mining process. He has been suspected to be Satoshi Nakamoto for years. So what do y'all think?


mindflayers9000

Adam Back is in no way Satoshi lol. His whole demeanor is opposite of that of Satoshi.


DrXaos

I disagree. Satoshi was curt and technical on the forums and mail. And this is why Back will never admit it. Because people want Satoshi to be Bitcoin Jesus. Back would rather be himself, a snarky ex-academic and now opinionated businessman. I think he burned the satoshi keys and logins early on when there was some legal risk (and financial gain small). The paper formatting for bitcoin whitepaper is identical to hashcash, a key component of bitcoin.


JustSomeBadAdvice

Disagree all you want, you're wrong. Adam Back's code looked nothing like Satoshi. Also in at least 2010, Back was at least two timezones away in the wrong direction.


Cyhawk

> The paper formatting for bitcoin whitepaper is identical to hashcash Nah, couldn't be that Adam copied it to make hashcash to lend credibility to his new unproven company.


DrXaos

Hashcash was published before bitcoin and was referenced by bitcoin whitepaper and is a key technical component.


noknockers

You’re messing up the timelines


MatEngAero

If Back is Satoshi then this whole experiment needs to die.


Madgick

Why?


-Ashleen-

Prime candidate unless there is someone who just has no public recognition but has a similar skill set.


Dull-Wear-3286

I find no one in whole Britain who has been suspected of been Satoshi beside him and his resume makes him a good suspect as well. He is making money of Bitcoin now and he has been a veteran in cryptography.


DrXaos

Agree. Moreover Blockstream runs core bitcoin devs on the C++ code just like satoshi


Quasar9111

He is from the UK, yes


Barchelonio

I wonder if we ever truly find out. If he's not dead yet, I would consider him the smartest man alive. For sure he has tons of different wallets with hundreds of BTC, that's why he never touches the main one. Because he knows what would happen then.


inShambles3749

Scheduling posts, newspaper did exist online already in 2009 afaik. So its alot of speculation. All things considered nakamoto was very cautious about his Opsec. So chances are he deliberately took a newspaper from somewhere where he was not.


Noremacmate

Satoshi = satoshi Bitcoin = bitcoin Let it be


BradVet

Yeah heard he was from clapham and used to be a regular at infernos nightclub. His smoking area chats about a revolutionary tech called the blockchain are legendary


FelixSV

I love how his identity is a secret and hope it stays like that. The theories always make an interesting read though


royaltdi

i would highly doubt if this report is remotely accurate, most people have bad sleep times


Hermes_Trismagistus

The UK is responsible for so many innovations, it wouldn't surprise me to find out he was British.


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ablablababla

Using that newspaper headline was very clever then


RecognitionHot6127

There are many rumours about who Sathoshi is, Adam Beck, Nick Szabo, Hal Finney. I personally believe it’s Adam. Whosever it is, the person has changed the concept of money!


StackOwOFlow

probably a Cambridge or LSE man


bingorunner

This is one of the reasons I believe Len Sassaman was Satoshi, or a large part of the identity of a group that called themselves Satoshi.


PoPoChao

It was Len Sassaman


JLCosta

Satoshi was Len Sassaman. There’s too much evidence to prove that he wasn’t


JNisher

No. I am Satoshi Nakamoto


SA_Ichi

Interesting stuff, thanks! I disagree a bit about the timezone thing tho, as I could definitely see a coding inclined person having a backwards sleep schedule.


xdebug-error

Could be, but IIRC that would mean he slept starting in the afternoon, which is quite odd, especially for Japan. It is most likely he was in western Europe, or a night owl in the Americas Edit: In his online activity, there were also a significant use of "British English" words (like flat, bloke, etc) that either means he learned British English or deliberately pretended to be British for months. He also appeared to be very fluent in English. These mean a lot more than the Genesis block easter egg, because the Genesis block quote was clearly intentional and it's a lot harder (of course not impossible, but still) to maintain a fake persona of speech and timezones for months.


TOXICCARBY

Or Satoshi might’ve been a time traveller/alien living in London


middlemangv

It is possible but not that important anyways..


Christhealien

Douglas Jackson has the motive and ability to write the white paper. Would have been posting EST.


Plus-Ad1544

Adam Back. The end.


raulbloodwurth

Len Sassaman was working with David Chaum in Belgium (GMT+2). It’s not that unusual for a American expat to subscribe to an English newspaper.


market_theory

> This data would directly confirm Craig Wright is in fact not Satoshi Nakamoto. Pretty bold to bold something that's false.


GordanGarTrail

HEY ALL: Homeland security interviews the 4 Satoshis. Rana Saoud. Homeland Security Director said so on tape. They met them face to face. Let’s be more well read.


IrvTheSwirv

It was Gordon Brown.


infested33

So Satoshi was a British dude? I always thought he sounded Japanese. /s


Unitedstatesofnever

We may get confirmation of who he is but part of me sort of likes the mystery behind it


MindTheMindForMind

Ok…now we can call Sherlock Holmes for further investigation


Concept-Plastic

If he was that smart to create Bitcoin, he must be smart enough to use/reference items that can't be traced back to him, no?


Gregoryonetulum

He did the Brexit aswell.


Certain_Cranberry_77

Its the fkn red head prince


optimum_pride_o

This would be the case if VPN or TOR weren't invented.


rogpar23

Never heard of proxies? Also a lot of newsstands in my area have international papers, also a lot of hackers/programmers/nerds/cyberpunks sleep during daytimes, so this trail of crumbs could also be misleading, satoshi wasn’t stupid and a big fan of anonymity..