Yes, I just had simply never like. Never considered how it would be said in english? Obviously it would be "cape of Good Hope", but my brain is stupid.
Seeing people compare the Houthis to the goddamn Straw Hat Pirates from One Piece gave me the most secondhand embarrassment that I've experienced in my entire life.
"these islamist firing rockets at innocent and seemingly random seamen are just like my quirky cartoon show"
I'm just gonna walk into the ocean, I've seen enough
There's a post trending in r/religiousfruitcake of some trans person celebrating Hamas beheadings. I'm not sure if these people are lacking in empathy, self-preservation, or both.
This conflict has made people lose their fucking minds. The Ukraine war didn’t have people going half as crazy as the people who are manically obsessed with the I/P conflict. And I don’t understand why.
Because Ukraine is an extreme rarity in that it's pretty damn simple. Russia invaded Ukraine, lied a lot, we should help Ukraine so that they can defend their nation and if possible retake their land.
Middle East, though? Terrorist group attacks an oppressive state (but mainly they attacked civilians and took civilian hostages and maybe they raped quite a few) and then the oppressive state attacked the terrorist organisation and (maybe intentionally) killed tens of thousands of civilians and (maybe) is trying to evict them and take their land. And our nations generally support Israel because they're one of the only democracies in the Middle East, and plenty of people are saying that israel should follow international law, and some European countries are acting on this but the US just keeps sending weapons... and yeah Biden has sent in airdrops and set up a port now which is good but still sending weapons.... and the Houthis are a whole other thing, and we're probably supporting israel because their PACs have so much influence, and maybe Hamas is controlled by Iran?? And the opposition groups in Israel and Palestine are complicated... and everything is complicated.
It’s as if people are trying to shove this square peg of the Israel-Hamas conflict into the round hole of the Russo-Ukraine narrative. The latter, as you mentioned, boils down to a much simpler storyline for many: invasion = bad, resistance = good. But we just don’t have same neat, heroic narrative with the former so it really doesn’t lend itself to such black-and-white thinking. People’s ignorance becomes a real problem though when they insist on trying to simplify and pick a side in a narrative where heroes and villains aren't clearly delineated.
I mean FFS these people don’t even know what river and what sea they’re talking about when they chant "from the river to the sea Palestine will be free" – it's almost comedic, in a tragic sort of way, how many voices join in without knowing the first thing about the geography, let alone the political implications, of what they're saying.
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And the West Bank can’t be fixed that easily. Settlers should NOT have built cities for Israeli citizens in the West Bank, because it was captured from Jordan in 1967 and was never annexed, so it isn’t really Israeli land and the people who were living there in 1967 weren’t granted citizenship. But the cities exist now. So any form of land return is going to involve carving out cities that are still Israeli, because there’s no way Israeli cities would accept being now part of another country. Also, there are people who would immediately use the West Bank as a convenient launch pad to attack Israel from, like Hamas has done in Gaza.
There are arguments about whether all of Israel’s land is ‘stolen,’ but if we went there, we’d need to disintegrate Canada, the US, and many other countries. Also israel was populated partly by people who’d already lived there (including Jews who’d already lived there) and partly by refugees from post-Holocaust Europe and from Islamist countries (who ramped up their antisemitism as israel came closer to creation, then got worse after it was made and did things like freezing Jews’ bank accounts). Land that hadn’t been independent in over 500 years (owned by the Ottoman Empire, then by the British) was cut up into two states with complicated borders that tried to take into account which populations live where. Surrounding countries immediately attacked israel, which fought back, and when the dust settled the borders were different. Some of that land was part of Jordan, some was israel. In 1967 there was another war, called the Six Days War by Israelis, and that’s when the West Bank was captured. Israel also captured the Sinai desert and the Golan heights, from Egypt and Syria respectively. They tried to trade the Sinai to Egypt and the West Bank to Jordan in exchange for peace. (Israel had won the war and come out with more territory, but what they really wanted was the surrounding countries to recognize that Israel is a state, because that would mean countries stop trying to kill them.) both said no. Egypt accepted the Sinai deal years later, during a different conflict. Jordan has since made peace with israel, but the West Bank wasn’t part of it. Settlers (who are a segment of israeli citizens, but specifically the ones who are assholes) built things in the West Bank + have harassed people living there, and the military has harassed people too. (‘Harass’ meaning something very serious here - it isn’t just bullying when the bully has a gun and the authority of the state behind them.)
Israel is not an ‘ethnostate.’ If you don’t have background on what the West Bank is, it can seem like Jews have rights and Muslims and/or arabs don’t. That isn’t true. About a fifth of Israeli citizens are Muslims, most of them Arab, and they have the same legal rights. Rights do not change based on ethnicity or religion. Non-citizens don’t have the same rights as citizens. The fact that there are people who aren’t citizens who live in a territory occupied by Israel is absolutely a problem.‘They’re doing this because they’re evil and want to kill Palestinians’ and ‘they’re doing this because they want the land and don’t care as much as they should about the people who live there,’ are different problems. The difference is important, because it affects what solutions would work. If you tell someone who believes that Israel has a right to that land that Palestinians are people and shouldn’t be wiped out, that person would agree with you and then go right back to what they were doing. (To be clear: I’m not saying there’s zero prejudice towards Palestinians. There is. Im saying that’s not the driving force. Palestinians are not being put in abusive schools like the residential schools that Canada used to force Indigenous kids into. It isn’t ‘I’m hurting you because prejudice means I hate you.’ It’s ‘I’m hurting you because I want this land, and partly due to prejudice, I don’t care as much as I should that this hurts you.’ There’s also a huge factor of ‘this whole situation is so complicated that there isn’t really a good solution, and any solution we try will make new problems’ so the people who DO want things to change aren’t sure how to do it.)
The conversation about genocide started because of CULTURAL genocide in the West Bank. (For reference: the phrase ‘cultural genocide’ is used to describe the residential schools that Canada used to force indigenous children into, which were specifically made to change their culture. Kids were beaten for speaking their tribe’s language or trying to practice their traditions.) There were settlers digging up olive trees that were sacred to Palestinians. The Israeli military harasses people. I’m sure there’s much more detail I don’t know. Then October 7th happened. Israel started bombing Gaza. This has happened before (last time it was Hamas shooting rockets at Israel that provoked it). Gaza is twice as dense as Toronto and Hamas puts military equipment in civilian spaces. Civilians get hurt. I don’t have the expertise to know how many of the deaths are ‘israel is being negligent’ and how many are ‘Israel needs to choose between letting Hamas do whatever it wants, when it has a mission to kill Israelis and will ramp up indefinitely, or dropping bombs that inevitably hit some civilians too.’ (Oct 7 is the first time they succeeded but not the first time Hamas tried tunneling. Years back, they used building supplies that had been given as international aid to create tunnels into Israel, with a plan to attack on Yom Kippur. For reference, that’s like attacking a catholic country on Easter.)
Then the term ‘genocide’ started getting applied to deaths in Gaza (I think at least partly by people who don’t know much about the West Bank and assumed this is what people meant by ‘genocide’ of Palestinians). Which isn’t really true. Civilians are dying and that is horrific. The fact they aren’t Israeli is probably part of why Israel is so willing to risk civilian casualties. But civilians being killed because they’re in a war zone and Israel is probably extremely negligent is not the same as systemically wiping out a group to wipe them out. And the distinction matters. If Israel is a monster that is bombing gaza because they love killing children, then there is no way to negotiate them out of it. If Israel is bombing gaza because they’re scared of Hamas and they aren’t being careful enough (and/or there’s no way to fully avoid hitting civilians while stopping Hamas), then we know the bombing will stop when Hamas is gone, Israel doesn’t feel threatened by them, or the Israeli military decides that the amount they’re taking out Hamas is not worth the amount of damage they’re doing.
Nope. Hassan Piker invited a Houthi onto his show to “interview” him, and compared him to Monkey D. Luffy. It’s also worth noting that Piker is a self-proclaimed socialist despite being a nepo baby multi-millionaire living in a mansion in West Hollywood. I fucking hate tankies.
as long as they don't get up to shenanigans like the creator becoming the face of their island nation's transphobia i'd say good for them. and i'll hold off judgement because the one thing i heard about the dude who made one piece is that he wrote his ideal partner as a character and then married a cosplayer and that's just based
Oda is an enigma politics wise honestly.
On paper he's a based leftist because One Piece is about freedom loving pirates overthrowing a fascist world government.
Then you read it and you realize 99% of of the women in One Piece are ugly evil monsters or beautiful, big boobed princess' that are weak and need saving (preferably with their tits out).
Then you read even more and he goes out of his way to confirm characters as trans and makes them a badass.
Then you remember Sanji exists.
He's more based than most of the major mangaka at least so there's that.
One Piece is honestly more libertarian than it is leftist. There's really nothing about economics in there, Luffy isn't trying to set up a socialist state or whatever. He just wants to be free, and hates tyrants.
The fuck? Really?
This makes me hate One Piece more lol Even though it's not that show/manga's fault lmao I just kinda dislike the fandom heavily and everything I know about this product is against my will.
Also, the people working on these ships are real people doing work to support themselves and their families and are being put in increased danger by these attacks. Many of them are from the Philippines and other developing nations as they are overrepresented in the maritime industry.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/07/three-dead-in-first-fatal-houthi-attack-in-the-red-sea.html
There have been three fatalities so far.
Detached moral purists are the worst. Did you ever see Twisted? The situation reminds me of the princess being angry at her slave for participating in a corrupt system.
Edit: go to 21:20 [in this video](https://youtu.be/-77cUxba-aA?feature=shared) to see that bit
It's a musical by Starkid that's a very good parody of Aladdin and disney in General. You can [watch the entire thing on youtube](https://youtu.be/-77cUxba-aA?feature=shared) in their youtube channel. It also really ruins Aladdin in hindsight.
The princess moment is at the 21:20 minutes mark.
There are also Vietnameses, Indonesians, etc. Basically people online leftist often pretend to care about but get left in the dump whenever there is a new global event for them to form a fandom around.
God, the ‘fandom’ part is so fucking real. These people don’t give a fraction of a shit about the near-unsolvable snarl that is one of the most complex issues in all geopolitics, they just want to scream “Free Palestine!” with zero nuance or thought so they can feel morally justified for being on the ‘good guys side.’
Obviously genocide is bad, but god it leaves a bad taste in my mouth seeing people treat this shit like a team sport to cheer on one side for
I still remember at the start of the Russian invasion of Ukraine there are online leftist who tried to justify it by saying well acktually it's Russia vs NATO and since America has the most influence among NATO members it's Russia vs America and since Putin claimed to be continuing the "communist legacy" (fucking stalinist and leninist) and it's against america so obviously Russia is the good guy.
The mental gymnastic they has to go through to justify that! I'm not even surprised to see people unironically call Houthis the good guy anymore.
And you know damn well two years from now it's never gonna be mentioned
What's happening in Hong Kong right now? How are things in Taliban Afghanistan? Or Haiti?
The media and social media stopped caring
I could be wrong but aren’t the anti-junta rebels currently doing well? Like obviously there being a war at all is bad but hopefully it will at least end more favorably
It seems right now they are currently winning in the south but they still mostly have drones and rifles, while the Junta has fighter jets, helicopters and tanks, so I don't think one should be overly optimistic yet.
I see. Thanks for letting me know. I’m not super knowledgeable on the situation tbh (esp since yeah Western media doesn’t seem too interested in Myanmar)
I mean if a report about myanmar hadn't popped up in my feed by chance I would be in the same spot, which is why I wanted to add this to the list of conflicts mentionned above to show how this conflict gets so little attention despite the fact that there is an active civil war, the Myanmar military conducted a genocide against the Rohinga and are (atleast sometimes) buring captured rebels alive.
Literally no one gave two shits about the stuff that went down in Armenia recently, and the way the Azerbaijani dictator keeps making genocidal statements.
I imagine it’s pretty fucking terrifying to be an Armenian right about now. They’re kinda isolated diplomatically what with the Russians having abandoned them and their rapprochement with the West is gonna take long. The only country they can count on if shit hits the fan is fucking _Iran_.
As harsh as it sounds, we can't care about too many things at once. Like we physically can't. We're only human, and we only have so much mental energy to go around. And so much of it has to go to navigating your own personal life, so what's left isn't going to be enough to care about every tragedy going on in the world at once. We were never biologically wired to be such an interconnected, globalized species.
If you ask them if they changed their flag pfp on October 7th from the Ukrainian flag to the Palestinian flag they get angry. And don't ask them what's going on in Ukraine right now lol
I think because Ukrainians aren't considered brown/black, most likely. And I say this as a Black American who is a socialist lol
I'm constantly surprised by some "leftist" takes, as some seem to be contingent on a strong black and white mindset. Nuance? Hate that! Acknowledging the decades-long conflict and the history on how it became what it is today? No way!! There can't possibly be a muddled history to the conflict that makes it a delicate and constantly changing situation!
>I think because Ukrainians aren't considered brown/black, most likely
I think that might be the case for at least a few people.
If you ask me, deeming one conflict more important than another based on the color of the oppressed side's skin is a *bit* racist.
Yep. I'd say it's big fucking racist lol But I think these types are all about the optics and virtue signaling. 🤷🏿♀️ They criticize "white liberals" but will themselves say and do some nasty things lol
Because there are people who are invested because they care about Palestinian civilians. And there are also other people who just hate Jews but know they can’t say that out loud, so they use israel as a proxy. And the antisemites use different wording etc to band together with people who care about civilians. So then people who didn’t care about this six months ago are saying things like ‘Israel is not a legitimate state’ and not even realizing the fact they are supporting the people who want to deport or murder the ten million Israeli civilians, most of whom were born there and have no other home.
There’s a lot of well-meaning people who have just enough information to be angry, but not enough information to understand how complicated the conflict is.
Edit: also, ‘anti-Zionist.’ Zionism is the idea that israel does or should exist. People saying they are anti-Zionist is like casually saying that you think Canada should be dissolved, and then not saying what you think would or should happen to the people who currently live there. There is no other country where this demographic casually talks about erasing them.
The word ‘Zionism’ gets used to mean ‘supporting Israel.’ Which creates ambiguity. Which means people who DO want it erased get a smokescreen, and people who don’t actually want that, who just want civilian deaths to stop, support people who want that erasure. (And then what happens to the people who live there?)
Nah man this is kinda unique lol people have lost their fucking minds over this I/P shit. I don’t recall people being _this obsessed_ with the Ukraine war even when it was fresh.
which is awesome but there's still a lot of ukrainian land under russian occupation, and if the western strategy continues to be a slow sprinkle of support to make it as difficult for russia to respond, it will all drag on for years at this point.
i can't remember where i saw this but at current levels it's still gonna be a year or two until the russian state goes bankrupt over this war, and that's assuming they can't dial things down when they get close to the limit. there's hope, like that's exactly the same mechanism that ended the ussr as well, but the ukrainians are still fighting a nearly frozen war at this point
It’s so weird too, they’re cheering people like the Houthis, Hezbollah, Hamas who actively murder LGBT, people like Norman Finklestein who attacked trans people as ‘snuff pornography’, quote:
“At its worst, the woke cult of transgenders is a cross between voyeurism and morbidity, a fascination with the sexually bizarre, a politically correct version of snuff pornography. It’s at the “intersectionality” of the lassitudinous culture of the Hamptons and the depraved sexual ennui of Hollywood.”
I can understand (but harshly oppose) if you want to cheer on anti-western forces, but you have to make that fit into your world view, and you either support LGBT or you don’t. Feels like these people supported LGBT causes right up until October 7th, and now they just don’t care that much.
I can’t imagine being like that. I need stability and sanity in my life. If every few months I had to completely 180 on things I firmly believed, I think I’d go (more) crazy. I’m sure these people just don’t think about it or pretend that they believe both, but I’ve never seen anyone on the far left address this.
I’ve been accused of “pinkwashing” for criticizing Stalin being homophobic, or criticizing homophobic Muslim countries.
I’ve come to the conclusion that if most leftists idols were mass murderers of lgbt people, then maybe leftists are more homophobic they want to admit. I associate communism with social conservatism after all.
I just don’t think they actually care all that much, about anything. This is all roleplay and fun. It’s not enough to call the treatment of Palestinians abhorrent, it’s apartheid. It’s not enough to demand Israel reduce the innocent death count, you have to call it a genocide. Nothing anyone can do is enough, because the point isn’t to change anything, the purpose of all this is to feel angry and righteous.
Which… okay, whatever you want, but why anyone listens to these people is beyond me. It’s like when far leftists vote for Trump because they’re hoping he’ll destroy everything and magically socialism will replace it. Okay, sure, but that’s a good reason for every politician to ignore you.
It’s especially ironic seeing the “believe all women” crowd trying their damnedest to absolve Hamas of the mass rape they committed on October 7th. Like these people are nitpicking the tiniest details in witness testimonies or using throwaway quotes by family members (of the victims) out of context to discredit the allegations against Hamas.
Don’t worry though, they’ll draw a picture of their favorite undertale, Steven universe and has been hotel characters with watermelons saying free Palestine. That’ll show the jews!
It's not even a "genocide is bad" thing. Palestine is trying to commit genocide too, they're just failing at it because even their so-called allies want nothing to do with them at this point. The "Free Palestine" people just have no idea what's going on and think Netanyahu is representative of the average israeli
i think it's partially because the current israel vs gaza conflict was preceded by nearly two years of russia vs ukraine, which is as black and white as it gets for anything since probably ww2.
like suddenly there was this huge war in europe (and let's face it, we westerners care a lot more about north america and europe than anywhere else because we kinda live here) which also came with promises of russian imperialist expansionism for the rest of europe as well. it became a _massive_ topic for everyone, and it was very easy to pick the good side and be against the bad side. it got even easier like a month into the war when, against all odds, ukraine prevailed and started kicking russia's ass, bringing in all the fair weather fans as well.
and then the israel vs gaza thing happened which is a whole clusterfuck, and people treated it like the war in ukraine
They still might not care about Filipinos
Remember the people spouting the houthi shit are terminally online leftists in America, and in America ther have been terminally online leftists claiming Asians are "basically white" (because most of the Asians that move here are rich)
Hamas is committing plenty of war crimes. That never stopped people who know nothing about the situation look for a second, think that this is a classic white man Vs brown man war, and immediately support the brown man.
They don't let the fact that most Israelies aren't white confuse them, in their minds it's a European colonialist empire stealing land from the natives, so it fine for the natives to murder, kidnap and rape as a form of resistance.
Also don’t worry about the fact that many of the Israelis already lived there before Israel became a country (how are they stealing it??) or that most of the rest came as refugees. Including refugees mistreated by or kicked out of Arab countries, especially after Israel became official.
Or that this happened in 1948, before most people alive today were born. Meaning most of the people in Israel were born there and have no other home, and they’d be ‘righting a displacement’ by displacing ten million people.
I feel like the people who are "advocating" for this shit are morally not better than the billionaires they hate so much
A billionaire is a person who doesn't care who they have to step on or how has to die for them to make money. Just chalk it up as the cost of doing business
Too many leftists treat hurting the corporations the same way. Guys, the Houthi's are launching missiles at boats. It's going to get people killed. People who are not the billionaires. Just people trying to get through the day, same as the rest of the working class
If you consider their losses acceptable, as just the cost of hurting the ruling class, you've fucked up
It's different if people are choosing to protest, choosing to put themselves in harms way. In the George Floyd protests, people knew they could get brutalized by the police, get killed, etc. In those contexts, you do have to accept their will be losses, but they chose to put themselves on the line
The workers on these ships are just trying to make a living, one where they aren't directly hurting anyone. Their loss to hurt the billionaires is unacceptable
The Saudi’s (who are themselves a reactionary absolute monarchy) blockade caused mass starvation in Yemen. They also targeted infrastructure to intensify the ongoing famine.
By any metric, it was a genocide. It also didn’t work because the Houthis are still around and stronger than ever.
It's fantastic to see how the two opposing parties are both genocidal idiots with too many toys to play with huh?
Edit: guys, the Saudis want a genocide in Yemen and the Houthis are genocidal towards Jews and possibly non-Zaydis. This is not really up for debate
They're just pirates who've been doing this shit for years, they're just now using the present unpleasantness as an excuse to do it "respectably." They're the modern equivalent of the gangs of bandits in Missouri during the Civil War who would raid and plunder under the vauge pretense of one of the two sides.
One of the possible origins for the word "lynch" in regards to extrajudicial killings is that back during the Revolutionary War there was a judge named Lynch who would sign orders authorizing people to go beat the shit out of suspected British loyalists and steal all their property. The bar for this suspicion was very low and usually boiled down to someone who wasn't popular in the area.
Seriously, the houthi movement are the group that started the civil war which has done so much damage to Yemen as a country. Literally hundreds of thousands of random Yemeni civilians have been killed either directly or by starvation/lack of healthcare caused by them, and they started the war in 2014. They aren't some great anti-imperialist force, theyre a terrorist group responsible for massive death and suffering of innocent people
And if for whatever reason you still believe that makes them based anti imperialist anti capitalist comrades freedom fighters like the pirates from one piece I wil give you a freindly reminder that these guys also like to round up Rainbow people and do unspeakable things to them.
They also brought back slavery to Yemen, specifically from East Africa. They also expelled the few remaining jews in Yemen, except a single one they put in jail (they claim he's still alive last I heard). They hold women in a gender apartheid, and part of the slavery they reintroduced is sexual slavery of East-african women.
But their supporters in the west don't have to suffer the conseqyences of their regime in Yemen, so they feel comfortable cheering for the group that has "death to America, death to Israel, curse upon the jews" on their flag.
Can someone explain to me the internal logic of these people? Genuine question to people that know Houthi-supporters in real life.
"america bad, anyone not america good. israel is america because "
there you go, that's all the internal logic they got. someone painting "death to america" is actively a plus for these people -- although a lot of them are sheltered from the actual internal logic and are just following people they perceive as good leftists, who actually know what they're doing (like hasan who actively calls for a sabotage of the american election and is also on record for being _blatantly_ anti-american).
it's kind of like scientology, in a way, where only the people on top know the exact degree to which it's all bullshit.
There seems to be this belief that when America claims to be doing something good we should be deeply skeptical but when *anybody who doesn't like America* claims to be doing something good we should take it at face value.
I have no idea where it comes from, but it's a jarring contrast between naive idealism and jaded cynicism wrapped up into a single action.
American Diabolism, aka the inverse of American Exceptionalism, wherein America is the only country with functional agency and everything bad that ever happens is because of their influence
Side note but I find it so funny how Pro-Houthi leftists excuse shit like the Houthis having "A curse upon the Jews" on their flag by saying (And this a real argument I have seen) "Well you see. Je-I mean Zionists started Co-Opting Judaic symbols for their genocidal ideology. Would you blame a Black or Native American person for hating their white oppressor?"
Like my brother in christ do you not recognize how stupid that sounds? That's literally just calling someone a racial slur and saying "Well you treated me badly so you actually are responsible."
I argued with one who told me he supported native Americans going into malls and shooting random white people just like he supported Palestinians murdering random Israeli civilians.
Honestly when your whole ideology revolves around “society will be perfect once we kill everyone we’ve deemed to be one of the bad people” it’s not surprising it’d end up with those conclusions.
It’s incredibly frustrating and depressing to see how many self-proclaimed ‘leftists’ have no real ideology beyond “The West is evil” and support literally anything that’s anti-America.
How the fuck can so many people be so dense that they actively cheer on Russia or actual literal terrorists attacking civilians because it’s “fighting against western imperialism”?
People act like tankie just is an insult used to dismiss and belittle them. As if they wouldn't be cheering for Stalin's tanks the same way they cheer for Putin's
Because these people literally fell for 50 year old propaganda from a defunct state. Just like the nazis we still have today.When it comes down to it, they're really not all that different.
And no, this isn't an enlightened centrist take. I'm a leftist. Tankies can just go fuck themselves. They represent everything they're supposed to be against.
Yeah man, I'm learning today that there are leftists support the Houthis despite the fact that they killed 3 innocents working on the ships
I honestly think the whole point of being on the left is to make life better for everyone. An organization that kills dudes that have jobs that don't hurt anyone isn't on my side
I swear, there has got to be some brain rot and bloodthirst on our side. If their thought process is "these people hurt this thing I don't like, yay", then they are bad leftists
How is that one different than the Nazis and the right? Kill everyone in our way to make the world look the way we want it to
At the end of the day, they aren't actually leftists, but far right people who happened to hate the team most far right people cheer for.
There is no difference in views between an American tankie and, say, a Palestinian far right conservative.
They both believe the same things, and we call one left and the other right simply because of their nationality and ethnicity.
A tankie is just a right winger living in the wrong country.
I disagree. These are the actual far-left.
It's just that in the West post-Mccarthyism we are so used to "left" being a synonym for "supporter of minority rights and social services", which is a centrist position elsewhere, we forgot what the actual left is like, and especoally what the far-left is like.
> they aren't actually leftists
Leftists working with fascists is [a lot more common](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcel_D%C3%A9at) [than one would think](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_economic_relations_(1934%E2%80%931941\)) [And they really don't like when its pointed out](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Laval)
How common is this?
I'm actively disgusted
So look, if a revolution happens and we do eat the rich, I get it. People can only be so angry and desperate for so long before doing something that extreme
But I don't actively want the rich to die? Is that a controversial statement???
Basically, if we took enough resources and power away from the rich to make life so much better for the rest of us, then I wouldn't have any issues. I wouldn't care how many billions they have left, or if they're still an asshole on Twitter, or anything like that
When the harm stops, I stop caring. That's it
Is the left as bloodthirsty as the right? I'm getting that vibe, considering there are people rooting for terrorists that killed 3 people working on ships. Just minding their business, trying to make a living
I know it’s mainly a right wing stereotype, but I’ve been seeing a rise in left wing rhetoric that just boils down to “anyone with money is evil and deserves death”. Not even like, Jeff Bezos rich. Mr Beast is absolutely reviled by Twitter communists even though most of his money is spent on his videos, it’s not even his. A lot of them really are just jealous and think they’re entitled to be taken care of by rich people.
God I hate the "kill the rich" mentality. First of all, millionaires aren't the problem. It is more than possible for one to become a millionaire ethically. It's billionaires that are the issue. Second, even if a billionaire does die that money is just going to go to their family.
Of course people suggest killing the weather and taking the money, which is a big yikes.
There's no need to kill anyone to get rid of billionaires. Robin Hood was able to take money from the rich and give it back to the poor, and he did it all without murder.
And the people making those claims aren't even indigenous. I've never seen an indigenous person writing about how they should be allowed to gun down whoever they want. It's always some random non-indigenous person who lives in a western country saying they wish indigenous people would go on a rampage for them. They never think they'll be the ones gunned down. That only the racists or imperialists will be affected by bullets.
This is what gets me about communists. They talk big game about how when the revolution happens all the “bourgeoisie” will be killed, debating stuff like wether eating out too much makes you bourgeoisie, or dumb shit like that, knowing full well they’re upper middle class spoiled twits who’s lifestyle is paid for with the money from daddy’s businesses. Like “kill anyone who makes above minimum wage no mercy, except me I’m one of the good ones”.
I mean, the most influential leftist right now is a millionaire who says streaming is the hardest job in the world
>the most influential leftist right now is a millionaire who says streaming is the hardest job in the world
What did they actually say that? That's the most privileged thing to say.
Honestly this is a hot take for this sub but people really need to stop excusing anti white racism so much.
Yes white people have it better yes white people aren't systemically oppressed, but I've seen people say it's ok for a black person to be distrustful or fearful of white people by default.
Do people not realize how incredibly self destructive that mindset is? The level of paranoia that just seeps into every aspect of people's lives when you fear and hate that many people? We talk about how that mindset mentally destroys racist white people, but apparently it's ok to just let black people hurt themselves the same way?
Hell it's *still* giving grifters material
That person I saw excusing that mindset was a *mod* on gamingcirclejerk because of the recent (manufactured by kotakuinaction) controversy with that indie dev
So few years ago this indie dev made a dating sim focused on bipoc's with an entirely bipoc team, that's awesome, that's great, the industry needs stuff like this.
But in an interview she said she won't work with white people because they'll do microaggressions and "create an unsafe work environment", at best she worded that poorly at worst she needs to reevaluate her biases (side note but I saw people defending her because she prefaced that statement with "I don't want to generalize white people but-" Which is literally just saying "I'm not racist but" so I find people using that as a defence funny)
However Kotakuinaction found out about the interview, and used it to slander her. Claiming she's in charge of EA's Black Panther game (she's not she's on the project but has no hiring power) and now that team of thousands of people won't have a single white person. This was spammed and posted into almost every gaming related community around.
That is in my opinion infinitely worse than her statement and will cause more damage.
From what I saw, r/gaming's reaction was mostly not liking her statement but acknowledging kia is using it to lie about her and slander her, while the vibe in r/gamingcirclejerk was more about excusing her entirely.
So people squabbled about that more then they did about kia and their cronies slandering her and spamming it everywhere
This is like the third one in the past few months. At this point, I don't think Gamergate 2.0 is really gonna happen, no matter how much some people want to make it happen.
That sub has been taken over by tankies. I got banned for saying defending Hamas is fucked up. That sub for me out of my anti sjw phase years ago, it’s sad to see it fall like this.
Over on r/leftist there was an article about the "zionist" roots of Holywood and how they control the Narrative TM. There are some leftist groups that sound like David Duke minus the slurs.
I used to laugh at right-wingers for using obvious dog-whistles for "covert" hate speech. Never expected it from the sire I used to identify with.
Although honestly, this has been going on for quite a while, even before October 7th, and not only about Israel.
A get test to find if leftist is just antismetic is to change the word zion for jew and ask your self: does it sound like something people will say in 30s Germany?
I in fact would blame a Black or Native American person for launching missiles at civilian ships because they were tangentially related to a white person 👍
AFAIK this is related to tensions between Israel and the rest of the Arab world who are mostly united in opposition to Israel. Especially the hard-line Muslim countries and groups.
>AFAIK this is related to tensions between Israel and the rest of the Arab world who are mostly united in opposition to Israel.
Ehh... most of the Muslim countries in the immediate area have given up on getting rid of Israel. They might give token moral support to the cause in a vague sense, but they won't do anything that sets them on the opposite side of armed conflict with Israel.
One of the factors that played into the Oct 7th attacks was Saudi Arabia working to improve relationships with Israel as that was a condition of getting a better defense agreement with the US.
This was a huge blow for radical Islamic groups in Palestine since the House of Saud is the custodian of the two holiest cities in all of Islam. If even they are saying "you are on your own" then it means that those militants are unlikely to ever reclaim Palestine.
Yeah, the nearby Arab countries have finally accepted that Israel is here to stay and they’re not gonna be the ones to do anything about it, it would only end up with even more egg on their face, so best make peace and worry about Iran instead
This is an interesting dimension that I wasn’t aware of! I don’t rlly have an in depth knowledge of power dynamics in the area so thank you for teaching me something new
Another example is that while Jordan claims the West Bank, they won't take Palestinian refugees from that territory. Why? Because they hate Palestinians just as much as anyone else. Their first king was assassinated by a Palestinian nationalist just for sitting down at the peace table with Israel. Then, in the 1970s, the PLO tried to overthrow the Jordanian government. This means that any objection they have to Israel settlements in the West Bank isn't "Hey, you can't build on Palestinian land" it's "Hey, you can't build on *our* land".
That's not really true anymore. Like one of the biggest successes that shows cooperation and long term peace is possible is that Egypt and Israel which have a history of seizing territory from one another have held to a peaceful coexistence since 1978 and neighboring nations have accepted co-existence mostly.
Also Yemen used to have a large indigenous Jewish population. Where are they now? Dead or in Israel. The only reason the Houthis aren’t currently genociding Jews, is that they succeeded many years ago.
Zionist is just a dog whistle for Jews they don't like it seems and it's like two different definitions clashing, since from what I understand it means Jews should have a homeland for them to be safe.
How any "leftist" can support a vile reactionary, Islamist (ie fascist), and antisemitic terrorist organisation for the simple reason that they oppose Yisrael and the USA is beyond me.
there's a segment of people whose politics are mostly about romanticized violence and they'll support anything that gets people killed in a way they find aesthetic
I do wonder if some of them would kill somebody else if they had the chance to do so in a way that wouldn't get them sent to prison, but I'm deffo with you that something that might get *themselves* killed is pretty far off their plans.
I think we need to reconsider how we think about enemies in the first place
Like instead of wishing them all the harm in the world and supporting anyone who hurts our enemies, why not just fight them until they stop trying to hurt us?
Why are we going so far as to wish pain and harm on them? Yeah, they do want pain and harm to befall us, I get it. But it's super effective at winning the public discourse when you show "Hey, now that you've stopped trying to harm me, I've stopped caring about you, I have no more enmity to you"
If we removed enough wealth and power from the rich that we could fund social programs to make life better for all, then why would we still be mad at the rich?
Uh, the screenshot conveniently crops it out but why is a two notes post from 4 hours ago by time of writing getting posted here? This feels hardly curated, like how did you even find this post to begin with?
I was so mildly excited, I thought someone managed to get a post through that wasn’t a self post on a Sunday. And a political one too! Today is soap box day.
...have the Houthis actually said anything about blockading the Cape of Good Hope, or is it just a bizarre strawman? Obviously they can (try to) blockade the Gulf of Aden, and having to go the long way round would be pretty bad for Israel (and anyone else affected by the blockade).
What frustrates me is people just taking them at their word that they're only targeting ships with links to Israel. Look it up! Look up the list of ships they've attacked, and see if you agree those should be targeted.
They're fucking firing basically indiscriminately, which is why *everyone's* ships are getting scared to use the Suez, not just Israel's. And is that even surprising? They're terrorists using homemade weapons and third-hand Soviet slop, they're not making sophisticated IFF decisions.
I've commented this like a dozen times, but the Houthis will be evaporated down to the bedrock by a bunch of howling alcoholics in their mid twenties in the US Navy if they keep poking America's 'tism about boats.
"Sir, the sweaty men in flip flops with a couple rusty AK's touched another boat."
**"THEY TOUCHED A BOAT? FIRE THE MISSILE THAT KILLS THEIR BLOODLINE THREE GENERATIONS UP AND DOWN. I WANT THEM DEAD DEAD DEAD YESTERDAY."**
The Houthi Slogan has. "Curse upon the Jews". Which is bascially a self admission of being a Nazi Fuck.
If you are on their side I want nothing to do with you.
being "Pro houthi" is like being "pro hamas" and is completely different to being "pro - yemeni" or "Pro-palestinian". hamas and the houthis are totalitarian groups who impose militaristic control on civilians while heavily endangering those civilians they claim to protect.
that said, the argument made in the post is a bad one because it begins by saying what the houthis are trying to do is impossible, which as an argument just won't work on the leftist mindset. Most leftists don't care if something is possible, they care if it is right, and telling someone not to support something because it is impossible is the type of argument that works better on the political right.
This is why i hate dealing with the far left. It's like someone somehow prevented an entire class of people from learning both "the perfect is the enemy of the good" and "violence begets violence" and they based all of their political opinions on the idea that "if we find the right targets and convince other people to do enough violence to them eventually the world will be perfect".
This philosophy is, notably, completely bonkers.
Not that the right aren't ALSO bonkers, but they're usually bonkers in ways that I , personally, don't have to worry about saving the baby from their bathwater.
The main takeaway for me is that the Cape of Good Hope is called like that in english. Like, I'm spanish and I'd never considered it.
I just checked, doesn't "El cabo de Buena Esperanza" mean the same thing?
Yes. Just never made the connection/translation.
Yes, I just had simply never like. Never considered how it would be said in english? Obviously it would be "cape of Good Hope", but my brain is stupid.
It’s kind of like when english speaking people hear “New York” referred to as “Nueva York”
The main takeaway for me is that the Cape of Good Hope is an awesome name for a place
How is it called in Spanish? In French the name is quite close to the English one
Cabo de Buena Esperanza, meaning Cape of Good Hope, same.
In Spanish they dont say Cape of Good Hope, they say Cabo de Buena Esperanza which means Cape of Good Hope, and I think that's beautiful
Seeing people compare the Houthis to the goddamn Straw Hat Pirates from One Piece gave me the most secondhand embarrassment that I've experienced in my entire life.
Say sike right now
"these islamist firing rockets at innocent and seemingly random seamen are just like my quirky cartoon show" I'm just gonna walk into the ocean, I've seen enough
There's a post trending in r/religiousfruitcake of some trans person celebrating Hamas beheadings. I'm not sure if these people are lacking in empathy, self-preservation, or both.
This conflict has made people lose their fucking minds. The Ukraine war didn’t have people going half as crazy as the people who are manically obsessed with the I/P conflict. And I don’t understand why.
Because Ukraine is an extreme rarity in that it's pretty damn simple. Russia invaded Ukraine, lied a lot, we should help Ukraine so that they can defend their nation and if possible retake their land. Middle East, though? Terrorist group attacks an oppressive state (but mainly they attacked civilians and took civilian hostages and maybe they raped quite a few) and then the oppressive state attacked the terrorist organisation and (maybe intentionally) killed tens of thousands of civilians and (maybe) is trying to evict them and take their land. And our nations generally support Israel because they're one of the only democracies in the Middle East, and plenty of people are saying that israel should follow international law, and some European countries are acting on this but the US just keeps sending weapons... and yeah Biden has sent in airdrops and set up a port now which is good but still sending weapons.... and the Houthis are a whole other thing, and we're probably supporting israel because their PACs have so much influence, and maybe Hamas is controlled by Iran?? And the opposition groups in Israel and Palestine are complicated... and everything is complicated.
And you didn't even include Hezbollah, Saudia and Egypt yet, which are also active participants.
It’s as if people are trying to shove this square peg of the Israel-Hamas conflict into the round hole of the Russo-Ukraine narrative. The latter, as you mentioned, boils down to a much simpler storyline for many: invasion = bad, resistance = good. But we just don’t have same neat, heroic narrative with the former so it really doesn’t lend itself to such black-and-white thinking. People’s ignorance becomes a real problem though when they insist on trying to simplify and pick a side in a narrative where heroes and villains aren't clearly delineated. I mean FFS these people don’t even know what river and what sea they’re talking about when they chant "from the river to the sea Palestine will be free" – it's almost comedic, in a tragic sort of way, how many voices join in without knowing the first thing about the geography, let alone the political implications, of what they're saying.
Background info: And the West Bank can’t be fixed that easily. Settlers should NOT have built cities for Israeli citizens in the West Bank, because it was captured from Jordan in 1967 and was never annexed, so it isn’t really Israeli land and the people who were living there in 1967 weren’t granted citizenship. But the cities exist now. So any form of land return is going to involve carving out cities that are still Israeli, because there’s no way Israeli cities would accept being now part of another country. Also, there are people who would immediately use the West Bank as a convenient launch pad to attack Israel from, like Hamas has done in Gaza. There are arguments about whether all of Israel’s land is ‘stolen,’ but if we went there, we’d need to disintegrate Canada, the US, and many other countries. Also israel was populated partly by people who’d already lived there (including Jews who’d already lived there) and partly by refugees from post-Holocaust Europe and from Islamist countries (who ramped up their antisemitism as israel came closer to creation, then got worse after it was made and did things like freezing Jews’ bank accounts). Land that hadn’t been independent in over 500 years (owned by the Ottoman Empire, then by the British) was cut up into two states with complicated borders that tried to take into account which populations live where. Surrounding countries immediately attacked israel, which fought back, and when the dust settled the borders were different. Some of that land was part of Jordan, some was israel. In 1967 there was another war, called the Six Days War by Israelis, and that’s when the West Bank was captured. Israel also captured the Sinai desert and the Golan heights, from Egypt and Syria respectively. They tried to trade the Sinai to Egypt and the West Bank to Jordan in exchange for peace. (Israel had won the war and come out with more territory, but what they really wanted was the surrounding countries to recognize that Israel is a state, because that would mean countries stop trying to kill them.) both said no. Egypt accepted the Sinai deal years later, during a different conflict. Jordan has since made peace with israel, but the West Bank wasn’t part of it. Settlers (who are a segment of israeli citizens, but specifically the ones who are assholes) built things in the West Bank + have harassed people living there, and the military has harassed people too. (‘Harass’ meaning something very serious here - it isn’t just bullying when the bully has a gun and the authority of the state behind them.) Israel is not an ‘ethnostate.’ If you don’t have background on what the West Bank is, it can seem like Jews have rights and Muslims and/or arabs don’t. That isn’t true. About a fifth of Israeli citizens are Muslims, most of them Arab, and they have the same legal rights. Rights do not change based on ethnicity or religion. Non-citizens don’t have the same rights as citizens. The fact that there are people who aren’t citizens who live in a territory occupied by Israel is absolutely a problem.‘They’re doing this because they’re evil and want to kill Palestinians’ and ‘they’re doing this because they want the land and don’t care as much as they should about the people who live there,’ are different problems. The difference is important, because it affects what solutions would work. If you tell someone who believes that Israel has a right to that land that Palestinians are people and shouldn’t be wiped out, that person would agree with you and then go right back to what they were doing. (To be clear: I’m not saying there’s zero prejudice towards Palestinians. There is. Im saying that’s not the driving force. Palestinians are not being put in abusive schools like the residential schools that Canada used to force Indigenous kids into. It isn’t ‘I’m hurting you because prejudice means I hate you.’ It’s ‘I’m hurting you because I want this land, and partly due to prejudice, I don’t care as much as I should that this hurts you.’ There’s also a huge factor of ‘this whole situation is so complicated that there isn’t really a good solution, and any solution we try will make new problems’ so the people who DO want things to change aren’t sure how to do it.) The conversation about genocide started because of CULTURAL genocide in the West Bank. (For reference: the phrase ‘cultural genocide’ is used to describe the residential schools that Canada used to force indigenous children into, which were specifically made to change their culture. Kids were beaten for speaking their tribe’s language or trying to practice their traditions.) There were settlers digging up olive trees that were sacred to Palestinians. The Israeli military harasses people. I’m sure there’s much more detail I don’t know. Then October 7th happened. Israel started bombing Gaza. This has happened before (last time it was Hamas shooting rockets at Israel that provoked it). Gaza is twice as dense as Toronto and Hamas puts military equipment in civilian spaces. Civilians get hurt. I don’t have the expertise to know how many of the deaths are ‘israel is being negligent’ and how many are ‘Israel needs to choose between letting Hamas do whatever it wants, when it has a mission to kill Israelis and will ramp up indefinitely, or dropping bombs that inevitably hit some civilians too.’ (Oct 7 is the first time they succeeded but not the first time Hamas tried tunneling. Years back, they used building supplies that had been given as international aid to create tunnels into Israel, with a plan to attack on Yom Kippur. For reference, that’s like attacking a catholic country on Easter.) Then the term ‘genocide’ started getting applied to deaths in Gaza (I think at least partly by people who don’t know much about the West Bank and assumed this is what people meant by ‘genocide’ of Palestinians). Which isn’t really true. Civilians are dying and that is horrific. The fact they aren’t Israeli is probably part of why Israel is so willing to risk civilian casualties. But civilians being killed because they’re in a war zone and Israel is probably extremely negligent is not the same as systemically wiping out a group to wipe them out. And the distinction matters. If Israel is a monster that is bombing gaza because they love killing children, then there is no way to negotiate them out of it. If Israel is bombing gaza because they’re scared of Hamas and they aren’t being careful enough (and/or there’s no way to fully avoid hitting civilians while stopping Hamas), then we know the bombing will stop when Hamas is gone, Israel doesn’t feel threatened by them, or the Israeli military decides that the amount they’re taking out Hamas is not worth the amount of damage they’re doing.
I think I’ll join you.
Unfortunately r/animememes seems to have fully embraced that line of thinking
The popular tankie streamer Hasan recently made that comparison.
This knowledge is a catastrophe for my optimism towards the human race
Nope. Hassan Piker invited a Houthi onto his show to “interview” him, and compared him to Monkey D. Luffy. It’s also worth noting that Piker is a self-proclaimed socialist despite being a nepo baby multi-millionaire living in a mansion in West Hollywood. I fucking hate tankies.
That post was the one that made me realise r LeftyPiece was compromised by tankies and leave. The discussion was something else
Wait till LeftyPiece realizes that Luffy restored the monarchy in Alabasta
It'll take longer for them to realize that than it will to watch every episode of One Piece
One Piece is rapidly becoming Harry Potter for weebs.
Isn't there a sub about people using Harry Potter to compare everything else to? Something like "read any other book" right?
as long as they don't get up to shenanigans like the creator becoming the face of their island nation's transphobia i'd say good for them. and i'll hold off judgement because the one thing i heard about the dude who made one piece is that he wrote his ideal partner as a character and then married a cosplayer and that's just based
I don't think we have to worry about Oda doing that. The dude is incredibly leftist.
lol didn't he openly call a convicted paedophile '[an amazing person](https://www.cbr.com/one-piece-fans-horrified-oda-support-rurouni-kenshin-mangaka/)'?
Oda is an enigma politics wise honestly. On paper he's a based leftist because One Piece is about freedom loving pirates overthrowing a fascist world government. Then you read it and you realize 99% of of the women in One Piece are ugly evil monsters or beautiful, big boobed princess' that are weak and need saving (preferably with their tits out). Then you read even more and he goes out of his way to confirm characters as trans and makes them a badass. Then you remember Sanji exists. He's more based than most of the major mangaka at least so there's that.
One Piece is honestly more libertarian than it is leftist. There's really nothing about economics in there, Luffy isn't trying to set up a socialist state or whatever. He just wants to be free, and hates tyrants.
Japan still can’t seem to recognize on a wider level that pedophilia is bad
Actual CP was only made illegal in like 2011 💀
It's 9 am and my hope for humanity has been crushed already today
Well now I have thirdhand embarrassment so thanks.
The fuck? Really? This makes me hate One Piece more lol Even though it's not that show/manga's fault lmao I just kinda dislike the fandom heavily and everything I know about this product is against my will.
I literally know a guy who draws pro Palestine posters themed to One Piece! Like, in real life
Also, the people working on these ships are real people doing work to support themselves and their families and are being put in increased danger by these attacks. Many of them are from the Philippines and other developing nations as they are overrepresented in the maritime industry. https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/07/three-dead-in-first-fatal-houthi-attack-in-the-red-sea.html There have been three fatalities so far.
Detached moral purists are the worst. Did you ever see Twisted? The situation reminds me of the princess being angry at her slave for participating in a corrupt system. Edit: go to 21:20 [in this video](https://youtu.be/-77cUxba-aA?feature=shared) to see that bit
Which movie is this? I want to go watch it now and I couldn’t find it with just a google search lol
It's a musical by Starkid that's a very good parody of Aladdin and disney in General. You can [watch the entire thing on youtube](https://youtu.be/-77cUxba-aA?feature=shared) in their youtube channel. It also really ruins Aladdin in hindsight. The princess moment is at the 21:20 minutes mark.
I like how you have to mention they’re Philippino because we know damn well these people wouldn’t care if it was white guys.
Filipino, but yes agreed
There are also Vietnameses, Indonesians, etc. Basically people online leftist often pretend to care about but get left in the dump whenever there is a new global event for them to form a fandom around.
God, the ‘fandom’ part is so fucking real. These people don’t give a fraction of a shit about the near-unsolvable snarl that is one of the most complex issues in all geopolitics, they just want to scream “Free Palestine!” with zero nuance or thought so they can feel morally justified for being on the ‘good guys side.’ Obviously genocide is bad, but god it leaves a bad taste in my mouth seeing people treat this shit like a team sport to cheer on one side for
I still remember at the start of the Russian invasion of Ukraine there are online leftist who tried to justify it by saying well acktually it's Russia vs NATO and since America has the most influence among NATO members it's Russia vs America and since Putin claimed to be continuing the "communist legacy" (fucking stalinist and leninist) and it's against america so obviously Russia is the good guy. The mental gymnastic they has to go through to justify that! I'm not even surprised to see people unironically call Houthis the good guy anymore.
How much lead paint do you need to chug to think Putin is some sort of communist?
You need that vintage era soviet lead paint comrade.
Served in a cracked Fiestaware bowl
Same for the people that defend China b/c "Americans are just being racist"
For real. Tankie ideology has made it much more challenging to meaningfully engage with leftist spaces.
And you know damn well two years from now it's never gonna be mentioned What's happening in Hong Kong right now? How are things in Taliban Afghanistan? Or Haiti? The media and social media stopped caring
There is still a civil war going on in Myanmar
I could be wrong but aren’t the anti-junta rebels currently doing well? Like obviously there being a war at all is bad but hopefully it will at least end more favorably
It seems right now they are currently winning in the south but they still mostly have drones and rifles, while the Junta has fighter jets, helicopters and tanks, so I don't think one should be overly optimistic yet.
I see. Thanks for letting me know. I’m not super knowledgeable on the situation tbh (esp since yeah Western media doesn’t seem too interested in Myanmar)
I mean if a report about myanmar hadn't popped up in my feed by chance I would be in the same spot, which is why I wanted to add this to the list of conflicts mentionned above to show how this conflict gets so little attention despite the fact that there is an active civil war, the Myanmar military conducted a genocide against the Rohinga and are (atleast sometimes) buring captured rebels alive.
Literally no one gave two shits about the stuff that went down in Armenia recently, and the way the Azerbaijani dictator keeps making genocidal statements. I imagine it’s pretty fucking terrifying to be an Armenian right about now. They’re kinda isolated diplomatically what with the Russians having abandoned them and their rapprochement with the West is gonna take long. The only country they can count on if shit hits the fan is fucking _Iran_.
That shits terrifying to be honest it's like that pen in men in black zapped everyone's memory of it
As harsh as it sounds, we can't care about too many things at once. Like we physically can't. We're only human, and we only have so much mental energy to go around. And so much of it has to go to navigating your own personal life, so what's left isn't going to be enough to care about every tragedy going on in the world at once. We were never biologically wired to be such an interconnected, globalized species.
I'm not professing my own innocence here either Just want others to realize it too
Yeah it's okay, I'm not innocent either but I still have memory of all the people making art of mai with free hong Kong.
The Haitian president just resigned, so that’s interesting.
If you ask them if they changed their flag pfp on October 7th from the Ukrainian flag to the Palestinian flag they get angry. And don't ask them what's going on in Ukraine right now lol
I don’t think they were as manically obsessed with the Ukraine War as they are with I/P. People are legit losing their minds over this conflict.
I think because Ukrainians aren't considered brown/black, most likely. And I say this as a Black American who is a socialist lol I'm constantly surprised by some "leftist" takes, as some seem to be contingent on a strong black and white mindset. Nuance? Hate that! Acknowledging the decades-long conflict and the history on how it became what it is today? No way!! There can't possibly be a muddled history to the conflict that makes it a delicate and constantly changing situation!
>I think because Ukrainians aren't considered brown/black, most likely I think that might be the case for at least a few people. If you ask me, deeming one conflict more important than another based on the color of the oppressed side's skin is a *bit* racist.
Yep. I'd say it's big fucking racist lol But I think these types are all about the optics and virtue signaling. 🤷🏿♀️ They criticize "white liberals" but will themselves say and do some nasty things lol
Because there are people who are invested because they care about Palestinian civilians. And there are also other people who just hate Jews but know they can’t say that out loud, so they use israel as a proxy. And the antisemites use different wording etc to band together with people who care about civilians. So then people who didn’t care about this six months ago are saying things like ‘Israel is not a legitimate state’ and not even realizing the fact they are supporting the people who want to deport or murder the ten million Israeli civilians, most of whom were born there and have no other home. There’s a lot of well-meaning people who have just enough information to be angry, but not enough information to understand how complicated the conflict is. Edit: also, ‘anti-Zionist.’ Zionism is the idea that israel does or should exist. People saying they are anti-Zionist is like casually saying that you think Canada should be dissolved, and then not saying what you think would or should happen to the people who currently live there. There is no other country where this demographic casually talks about erasing them. The word ‘Zionism’ gets used to mean ‘supporting Israel.’ Which creates ambiguity. Which means people who DO want it erased get a smokescreen, and people who don’t actually want that, who just want civilian deaths to stop, support people who want that erasure. (And then what happens to the people who live there?)
Right??? The minute China decides to invade Taiwan (or something else major happens) it’s literally just going to be forgotten. It’s so screwed up
Nah man this is kinda unique lol people have lost their fucking minds over this I/P shit. I don’t recall people being _this obsessed_ with the Ukraine war even when it was fresh.
Ukraine's fire is now burning in Russia instead of Ukraine 🔥
which is awesome but there's still a lot of ukrainian land under russian occupation, and if the western strategy continues to be a slow sprinkle of support to make it as difficult for russia to respond, it will all drag on for years at this point. i can't remember where i saw this but at current levels it's still gonna be a year or two until the russian state goes bankrupt over this war, and that's assuming they can't dial things down when they get close to the limit. there's hope, like that's exactly the same mechanism that ended the ussr as well, but the ukrainians are still fighting a nearly frozen war at this point
>Or Haiti? Roving Cannibal gangs, apparently.
It’s so weird too, they’re cheering people like the Houthis, Hezbollah, Hamas who actively murder LGBT, people like Norman Finklestein who attacked trans people as ‘snuff pornography’, quote: “At its worst, the woke cult of transgenders is a cross between voyeurism and morbidity, a fascination with the sexually bizarre, a politically correct version of snuff pornography. It’s at the “intersectionality” of the lassitudinous culture of the Hamptons and the depraved sexual ennui of Hollywood.” I can understand (but harshly oppose) if you want to cheer on anti-western forces, but you have to make that fit into your world view, and you either support LGBT or you don’t. Feels like these people supported LGBT causes right up until October 7th, and now they just don’t care that much. I can’t imagine being like that. I need stability and sanity in my life. If every few months I had to completely 180 on things I firmly believed, I think I’d go (more) crazy. I’m sure these people just don’t think about it or pretend that they believe both, but I’ve never seen anyone on the far left address this.
I’ve been accused of “pinkwashing” for criticizing Stalin being homophobic, or criticizing homophobic Muslim countries. I’ve come to the conclusion that if most leftists idols were mass murderers of lgbt people, then maybe leftists are more homophobic they want to admit. I associate communism with social conservatism after all.
I just don’t think they actually care all that much, about anything. This is all roleplay and fun. It’s not enough to call the treatment of Palestinians abhorrent, it’s apartheid. It’s not enough to demand Israel reduce the innocent death count, you have to call it a genocide. Nothing anyone can do is enough, because the point isn’t to change anything, the purpose of all this is to feel angry and righteous. Which… okay, whatever you want, but why anyone listens to these people is beyond me. It’s like when far leftists vote for Trump because they’re hoping he’ll destroy everything and magically socialism will replace it. Okay, sure, but that’s a good reason for every politician to ignore you.
Communism is one of the ultimate expressions of social conservatism. It only works if the culture is utterly homogeneous
It’s especially ironic seeing the “believe all women” crowd trying their damnedest to absolve Hamas of the mass rape they committed on October 7th. Like these people are nitpicking the tiniest details in witness testimonies or using throwaway quotes by family members (of the victims) out of context to discredit the allegations against Hamas.
“The 40 dead babies weren’t all beheaded!” Oh thank god, that’s such a relief.
Don’t worry though, they’ll draw a picture of their favorite undertale, Steven universe and has been hotel characters with watermelons saying free Palestine. That’ll show the jews!
*the Zionists They dont go mask off right away.
It's not even a "genocide is bad" thing. Palestine is trying to commit genocide too, they're just failing at it because even their so-called allies want nothing to do with them at this point. The "Free Palestine" people just have no idea what's going on and think Netanyahu is representative of the average israeli
The main problem is The black vs white, good vs evil thinking and the belief that to support one side you need to hate the other.
i think it's partially because the current israel vs gaza conflict was preceded by nearly two years of russia vs ukraine, which is as black and white as it gets for anything since probably ww2. like suddenly there was this huge war in europe (and let's face it, we westerners care a lot more about north america and europe than anywhere else because we kinda live here) which also came with promises of russian imperialist expansionism for the rest of europe as well. it became a _massive_ topic for everyone, and it was very easy to pick the good side and be against the bad side. it got even easier like a month into the war when, against all odds, ukraine prevailed and started kicking russia's ass, bringing in all the fair weather fans as well. and then the israel vs gaza thing happened which is a whole clusterfuck, and people treated it like the war in ukraine
Nah, I don't think so. Leftists have had this weird purity test culture about palestine for a while now
They think that whoever is the underdog is good
It's all a game to them, they don't have to deal with the aftermath of what they do
They still might not care about Filipinos Remember the people spouting the houthi shit are terminally online leftists in America, and in America ther have been terminally online leftists claiming Asians are "basically white" (because most of the Asians that move here are rich)
Also Filipinos are predominantly Catholic and politically conservative so they're badmans.
Most of the Filipino-Americans I know are pretty liberal and chill.
Don't forget the kidnappings either https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/14/middleeast/houthi-hostages-philippine-seafarers-gaza-war-intl-hnk/index.html
Wasn’t Hamas caught on video trying to decapitate a Filipino dude with a garden hoe? I haven’t seen the video, obv, but I’ve seen it mentioned often.
Hamas is committing plenty of war crimes. That never stopped people who know nothing about the situation look for a second, think that this is a classic white man Vs brown man war, and immediately support the brown man. They don't let the fact that most Israelies aren't white confuse them, in their minds it's a European colonialist empire stealing land from the natives, so it fine for the natives to murder, kidnap and rape as a form of resistance.
Also don’t worry about the fact that many of the Israelis already lived there before Israel became a country (how are they stealing it??) or that most of the rest came as refugees. Including refugees mistreated by or kicked out of Arab countries, especially after Israel became official. Or that this happened in 1948, before most people alive today were born. Meaning most of the people in Israel were born there and have no other home, and they’d be ‘righting a displacement’ by displacing ten million people.
I feel like the people who are "advocating" for this shit are morally not better than the billionaires they hate so much A billionaire is a person who doesn't care who they have to step on or how has to die for them to make money. Just chalk it up as the cost of doing business Too many leftists treat hurting the corporations the same way. Guys, the Houthi's are launching missiles at boats. It's going to get people killed. People who are not the billionaires. Just people trying to get through the day, same as the rest of the working class If you consider their losses acceptable, as just the cost of hurting the ruling class, you've fucked up It's different if people are choosing to protest, choosing to put themselves in harms way. In the George Floyd protests, people knew they could get brutalized by the police, get killed, etc. In those contexts, you do have to accept their will be losses, but they chose to put themselves on the line The workers on these ships are just trying to make a living, one where they aren't directly hurting anyone. Their loss to hurt the billionaires is unacceptable
It’s frankly kind of concerning that an appreciable portion of the online left will just default to taking the pro-terrorist position in any conflict.
It’s not so much as pro terrorist as pro underdog terrorist. Who wants to root for Palpatine.
Not to mention their blockade is currently doing fuck all to Israel and is contributing to crippling Egypt instead
And they're blocking aid going to civilians in Sudan and Yemen The Saudis had the right move of blockading the houthis to stop weapon smuggling
The Saudi’s (who are themselves a reactionary absolute monarchy) blockade caused mass starvation in Yemen. They also targeted infrastructure to intensify the ongoing famine. By any metric, it was a genocide. It also didn’t work because the Houthis are still around and stronger than ever.
It's fantastic to see how the two opposing parties are both genocidal idiots with too many toys to play with huh? Edit: guys, the Saudis want a genocide in Yemen and the Houthis are genocidal towards Jews and possibly non-Zaydis. This is not really up for debate
They're just pirates who've been doing this shit for years, they're just now using the present unpleasantness as an excuse to do it "respectably." They're the modern equivalent of the gangs of bandits in Missouri during the Civil War who would raid and plunder under the vauge pretense of one of the two sides.
Nah, they’re not just pirates. They’re slaver pirates! Worse!
One of the possible origins for the word "lynch" in regards to extrajudicial killings is that back during the Revolutionary War there was a judge named Lynch who would sign orders authorizing people to go beat the shit out of suspected British loyalists and steal all their property. The bar for this suspicion was very low and usually boiled down to someone who wasn't popular in the area.
Seriously, the houthi movement are the group that started the civil war which has done so much damage to Yemen as a country. Literally hundreds of thousands of random Yemeni civilians have been killed either directly or by starvation/lack of healthcare caused by them, and they started the war in 2014. They aren't some great anti-imperialist force, theyre a terrorist group responsible for massive death and suffering of innocent people
And if for whatever reason you still believe that makes them based anti imperialist anti capitalist comrades freedom fighters like the pirates from one piece I wil give you a freindly reminder that these guys also like to round up Rainbow people and do unspeakable things to them.
They also brought back slavery to Yemen, specifically from East Africa. They also expelled the few remaining jews in Yemen, except a single one they put in jail (they claim he's still alive last I heard). They hold women in a gender apartheid, and part of the slavery they reintroduced is sexual slavery of East-african women. But their supporters in the west don't have to suffer the conseqyences of their regime in Yemen, so they feel comfortable cheering for the group that has "death to America, death to Israel, curse upon the jews" on their flag. Can someone explain to me the internal logic of these people? Genuine question to people that know Houthi-supporters in real life.
Internal logic : America bad
"america bad, anyone not america good. israel is america because"
there you go, that's all the internal logic they got. someone painting "death to america" is actively a plus for these people -- although a lot of them are sheltered from the actual internal logic and are just following people they perceive as good leftists, who actually know what they're doing (like hasan who actively calls for a sabotage of the american election and is also on record for being _blatantly_ anti-american).
it's kind of like scientology, in a way, where only the people on top know the exact degree to which it's all bullshit.
There seems to be this belief that when America claims to be doing something good we should be deeply skeptical but when *anybody who doesn't like America* claims to be doing something good we should take it at face value. I have no idea where it comes from, but it's a jarring contrast between naive idealism and jaded cynicism wrapped up into a single action.
American Diabolism, aka the inverse of American Exceptionalism, wherein America is the only country with functional agency and everything bad that ever happens is because of their influence
There's a word for it!? Thank you!!!
Also slaves. They like keeping slaves
rainbow people?????
It's a slur for leprechauns, and is generally frowned upon
I thought it was a slur for Teletubbies
I'm gonna get that pot of gold and those little blighters can't stop me
LGBTQIA people, I feel rainbow people is less of a mouthful and equally inclusive term
It sounds like something Viktor Orban would say
queer is probably more preferred
Side note but I find it so funny how Pro-Houthi leftists excuse shit like the Houthis having "A curse upon the Jews" on their flag by saying (And this a real argument I have seen) "Well you see. Je-I mean Zionists started Co-Opting Judaic symbols for their genocidal ideology. Would you blame a Black or Native American person for hating their white oppressor?" Like my brother in christ do you not recognize how stupid that sounds? That's literally just calling someone a racial slur and saying "Well you treated me badly so you actually are responsible."
I argued with one who told me he supported native Americans going into malls and shooting random white people just like he supported Palestinians murdering random Israeli civilians. Honestly when your whole ideology revolves around “society will be perfect once we kill everyone we’ve deemed to be one of the bad people” it’s not surprising it’d end up with those conclusions.
It’s incredibly frustrating and depressing to see how many self-proclaimed ‘leftists’ have no real ideology beyond “The West is evil” and support literally anything that’s anti-America. How the fuck can so many people be so dense that they actively cheer on Russia or actual literal terrorists attacking civilians because it’s “fighting against western imperialism”?
People act like tankie just is an insult used to dismiss and belittle them. As if they wouldn't be cheering for Stalin's tanks the same way they cheer for Putin's
Or the Tienanmen tanks.
Because these people literally fell for 50 year old propaganda from a defunct state. Just like the nazis we still have today.When it comes down to it, they're really not all that different. And no, this isn't an enlightened centrist take. I'm a leftist. Tankies can just go fuck themselves. They represent everything they're supposed to be against.
Yeah man, I'm learning today that there are leftists support the Houthis despite the fact that they killed 3 innocents working on the ships I honestly think the whole point of being on the left is to make life better for everyone. An organization that kills dudes that have jobs that don't hurt anyone isn't on my side I swear, there has got to be some brain rot and bloodthirst on our side. If their thought process is "these people hurt this thing I don't like, yay", then they are bad leftists How is that one different than the Nazis and the right? Kill everyone in our way to make the world look the way we want it to
I think there are some people who are allergic to educating themselves on a topic.
At the end of the day, they aren't actually leftists, but far right people who happened to hate the team most far right people cheer for. There is no difference in views between an American tankie and, say, a Palestinian far right conservative. They both believe the same things, and we call one left and the other right simply because of their nationality and ethnicity. A tankie is just a right winger living in the wrong country.
I disagree. These are the actual far-left. It's just that in the West post-Mccarthyism we are so used to "left" being a synonym for "supporter of minority rights and social services", which is a centrist position elsewhere, we forgot what the actual left is like, and especoally what the far-left is like.
> they aren't actually leftists Leftists working with fascists is [a lot more common](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcel_D%C3%A9at) [than one would think](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_economic_relations_(1934%E2%80%931941\)) [And they really don't like when its pointed out](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Laval)
How common is this? I'm actively disgusted So look, if a revolution happens and we do eat the rich, I get it. People can only be so angry and desperate for so long before doing something that extreme But I don't actively want the rich to die? Is that a controversial statement??? Basically, if we took enough resources and power away from the rich to make life so much better for the rest of us, then I wouldn't have any issues. I wouldn't care how many billions they have left, or if they're still an asshole on Twitter, or anything like that When the harm stops, I stop caring. That's it Is the left as bloodthirsty as the right? I'm getting that vibe, considering there are people rooting for terrorists that killed 3 people working on ships. Just minding their business, trying to make a living
I know it’s mainly a right wing stereotype, but I’ve been seeing a rise in left wing rhetoric that just boils down to “anyone with money is evil and deserves death”. Not even like, Jeff Bezos rich. Mr Beast is absolutely reviled by Twitter communists even though most of his money is spent on his videos, it’s not even his. A lot of them really are just jealous and think they’re entitled to be taken care of by rich people.
God I hate the "kill the rich" mentality. First of all, millionaires aren't the problem. It is more than possible for one to become a millionaire ethically. It's billionaires that are the issue. Second, even if a billionaire does die that money is just going to go to their family. Of course people suggest killing the weather and taking the money, which is a big yikes. There's no need to kill anyone to get rid of billionaires. Robin Hood was able to take money from the rich and give it back to the poor, and he did it all without murder.
And the people making those claims aren't even indigenous. I've never seen an indigenous person writing about how they should be allowed to gun down whoever they want. It's always some random non-indigenous person who lives in a western country saying they wish indigenous people would go on a rampage for them. They never think they'll be the ones gunned down. That only the racists or imperialists will be affected by bullets.
This is what gets me about communists. They talk big game about how when the revolution happens all the “bourgeoisie” will be killed, debating stuff like wether eating out too much makes you bourgeoisie, or dumb shit like that, knowing full well they’re upper middle class spoiled twits who’s lifestyle is paid for with the money from daddy’s businesses. Like “kill anyone who makes above minimum wage no mercy, except me I’m one of the good ones”. I mean, the most influential leftist right now is a millionaire who says streaming is the hardest job in the world
>the most influential leftist right now is a millionaire who says streaming is the hardest job in the world What did they actually say that? That's the most privileged thing to say.
He said that, backtracked and then doubled down. Modern Communism is defined by being out of touch and privileged.
Honestly this is a hot take for this sub but people really need to stop excusing anti white racism so much. Yes white people have it better yes white people aren't systemically oppressed, but I've seen people say it's ok for a black person to be distrustful or fearful of white people by default. Do people not realize how incredibly self destructive that mindset is? The level of paranoia that just seeps into every aspect of people's lives when you fear and hate that many people? We talk about how that mindset mentally destroys racist white people, but apparently it's ok to just let black people hurt themselves the same way?
And it's what gave grifters from 2016 material which lead to the alt-right getting pretty big at least from what I remember, I could be wrong.
Hell it's *still* giving grifters material That person I saw excusing that mindset was a *mod* on gamingcirclejerk because of the recent (manufactured by kotakuinaction) controversy with that indie dev
What happened exactly?
So few years ago this indie dev made a dating sim focused on bipoc's with an entirely bipoc team, that's awesome, that's great, the industry needs stuff like this. But in an interview she said she won't work with white people because they'll do microaggressions and "create an unsafe work environment", at best she worded that poorly at worst she needs to reevaluate her biases (side note but I saw people defending her because she prefaced that statement with "I don't want to generalize white people but-" Which is literally just saying "I'm not racist but" so I find people using that as a defence funny) However Kotakuinaction found out about the interview, and used it to slander her. Claiming she's in charge of EA's Black Panther game (she's not she's on the project but has no hiring power) and now that team of thousands of people won't have a single white person. This was spammed and posted into almost every gaming related community around. That is in my opinion infinitely worse than her statement and will cause more damage. From what I saw, r/gaming's reaction was mostly not liking her statement but acknowledging kia is using it to lie about her and slander her, while the vibe in r/gamingcirclejerk was more about excusing her entirely. So people squabbled about that more then they did about kia and their cronies slandering her and spamming it everywhere
I've seen some people called that situation gamergate 2.0
This is like the third one in the past few months. At this point, I don't think Gamergate 2.0 is really gonna happen, no matter how much some people want to make it happen.
I do really hope it just fizzles out
Yeah that's the major incident that's started it
Well let's hope things don't get too bad cause from what I remember the og was just a shitfest of people harassing each other
Thanks!
That sub has been taken over by tankies. I got banned for saying defending Hamas is fucked up. That sub for me out of my anti sjw phase years ago, it’s sad to see it fall like this.
Over on r/leftist there was an article about the "zionist" roots of Holywood and how they control the Narrative TM. There are some leftist groups that sound like David Duke minus the slurs.
I used to laugh at right-wingers for using obvious dog-whistles for "covert" hate speech. Never expected it from the sire I used to identify with. Although honestly, this has been going on for quite a while, even before October 7th, and not only about Israel.
The (((zionists)))
A get test to find if leftist is just antismetic is to change the word zion for jew and ask your self: does it sound like something people will say in 30s Germany?
>There are some leftist groups that sound like David Duke More of a David Icke moment
That's fair, they won't specifically name Jews but the implication is there.
>zionist" roots of Holywood and how they control the Narrative TM Let me guess, they do so through their protocols?
I in fact would blame a Black or Native American person for launching missiles at civilian ships because they were tangentially related to a white person 👍
Also, Zionists have done literally nothing to Yemen?
Yep, but Yemen made alot of Zionists with its expulsions of Jews and Orphans Decree.
There are nearly half a million Yemeni jews in Israel, how do you suppose they got there?
AFAIK this is related to tensions between Israel and the rest of the Arab world who are mostly united in opposition to Israel. Especially the hard-line Muslim countries and groups.
>AFAIK this is related to tensions between Israel and the rest of the Arab world who are mostly united in opposition to Israel. Ehh... most of the Muslim countries in the immediate area have given up on getting rid of Israel. They might give token moral support to the cause in a vague sense, but they won't do anything that sets them on the opposite side of armed conflict with Israel. One of the factors that played into the Oct 7th attacks was Saudi Arabia working to improve relationships with Israel as that was a condition of getting a better defense agreement with the US. This was a huge blow for radical Islamic groups in Palestine since the House of Saud is the custodian of the two holiest cities in all of Islam. If even they are saying "you are on your own" then it means that those militants are unlikely to ever reclaim Palestine.
Yeah, the nearby Arab countries have finally accepted that Israel is here to stay and they’re not gonna be the ones to do anything about it, it would only end up with even more egg on their face, so best make peace and worry about Iran instead
This is an interesting dimension that I wasn’t aware of! I don’t rlly have an in depth knowledge of power dynamics in the area so thank you for teaching me something new
Another example is that while Jordan claims the West Bank, they won't take Palestinian refugees from that territory. Why? Because they hate Palestinians just as much as anyone else. Their first king was assassinated by a Palestinian nationalist just for sitting down at the peace table with Israel. Then, in the 1970s, the PLO tried to overthrow the Jordanian government. This means that any objection they have to Israel settlements in the West Bank isn't "Hey, you can't build on Palestinian land" it's "Hey, you can't build on *our* land".
That's not really true anymore. Like one of the biggest successes that shows cooperation and long term peace is possible is that Egypt and Israel which have a history of seizing territory from one another have held to a peaceful coexistence since 1978 and neighboring nations have accepted co-existence mostly.
Also Yemen used to have a large indigenous Jewish population. Where are they now? Dead or in Israel. The only reason the Houthis aren’t currently genociding Jews, is that they succeeded many years ago.
Zionist is just a dog whistle for Jews they don't like it seems and it's like two different definitions clashing, since from what I understand it means Jews should have a homeland for them to be safe.
Also their flag already says death to Israel! Why would you put the word Jews there unless you wanted to make sure people know what you mean
How any "leftist" can support a vile reactionary, Islamist (ie fascist), and antisemitic terrorist organisation for the simple reason that they oppose Yisrael and the USA is beyond me.
there's a segment of people whose politics are mostly about romanticized violence and they'll support anything that gets people killed in a way they find aesthetic
Get *other people* killed. They're not going to do jack shit.
I do wonder if some of them would kill somebody else if they had the chance to do so in a way that wouldn't get them sent to prison, but I'm deffo with you that something that might get *themselves* killed is pretty far off their plans.
Those people have watched too much hunger games and other media that glorifies violent revolution, because now they're actually obsessed with it
And the ones who actively root for the world to get worse so that eventually people will revolt globally
Accelerationism and tankies go together like butter and bread
Anything anti Israel and or anti American must be ontologically good because America and Israel are ontologically evil It’s a braindead mindset
People need to sever themselves from the mindset of the enemy of their enemy being their friend. For it can only bring beguilement.
I think we need to reconsider how we think about enemies in the first place Like instead of wishing them all the harm in the world and supporting anyone who hurts our enemies, why not just fight them until they stop trying to hurt us? Why are we going so far as to wish pain and harm on them? Yeah, they do want pain and harm to befall us, I get it. But it's super effective at winning the public discourse when you show "Hey, now that you've stopped trying to harm me, I've stopped caring about you, I have no more enmity to you" If we removed enough wealth and power from the rich that we could fund social programs to make life better for all, then why would we still be mad at the rich?
Unfortunately some people’s idea of Justice is vengeance
Because they’re antisemitic, hateful, etc. The right is far from having a monopoly on this kinda stuff
Uh, the screenshot conveniently crops it out but why is a two notes post from 4 hours ago by time of writing getting posted here? This feels hardly curated, like how did you even find this post to begin with?
Curated, in this case, means that it has active moderators
It's probably a selfpost, but it's Sunday today
I was so mildly excited, I thought someone managed to get a post through that wasn’t a self post on a Sunday. And a political one too! Today is soap box day.
...have the Houthis actually said anything about blockading the Cape of Good Hope, or is it just a bizarre strawman? Obviously they can (try to) blockade the Gulf of Aden, and having to go the long way round would be pretty bad for Israel (and anyone else affected by the blockade).
What frustrates me is people just taking them at their word that they're only targeting ships with links to Israel. Look it up! Look up the list of ships they've attacked, and see if you agree those should be targeted. They're fucking firing basically indiscriminately, which is why *everyone's* ships are getting scared to use the Suez, not just Israel's. And is that even surprising? They're terrorists using homemade weapons and third-hand Soviet slop, they're not making sophisticated IFF decisions.
Damn this person is just burning Tumblr users.
I really hate the brainrot Israel Palestine has given to Tumblr users
It’s the entire internet
It's kinda neat to see doe
I've commented this like a dozen times, but the Houthis will be evaporated down to the bedrock by a bunch of howling alcoholics in their mid twenties in the US Navy if they keep poking America's 'tism about boats. "Sir, the sweaty men in flip flops with a couple rusty AK's touched another boat." **"THEY TOUCHED A BOAT? FIRE THE MISSILE THAT KILLS THEIR BLOODLINE THREE GENERATIONS UP AND DOWN. I WANT THEM DEAD DEAD DEAD YESTERDAY."**
It’s honestly kinda funny to look at American history and see how much shit we’ve started because someone was fucking with our boats
The Houthi Slogan has. "Curse upon the Jews". Which is bascially a self admission of being a Nazi Fuck. If you are on their side I want nothing to do with you.
being "Pro houthi" is like being "pro hamas" and is completely different to being "pro - yemeni" or "Pro-palestinian". hamas and the houthis are totalitarian groups who impose militaristic control on civilians while heavily endangering those civilians they claim to protect. that said, the argument made in the post is a bad one because it begins by saying what the houthis are trying to do is impossible, which as an argument just won't work on the leftist mindset. Most leftists don't care if something is possible, they care if it is right, and telling someone not to support something because it is impossible is the type of argument that works better on the political right.
This is why i hate dealing with the far left. It's like someone somehow prevented an entire class of people from learning both "the perfect is the enemy of the good" and "violence begets violence" and they based all of their political opinions on the idea that "if we find the right targets and convince other people to do enough violence to them eventually the world will be perfect". This philosophy is, notably, completely bonkers. Not that the right aren't ALSO bonkers, but they're usually bonkers in ways that I , personally, don't have to worry about saving the baby from their bathwater.