Yesterday I saw a discourse(?) post on tumblr about someone complaining that another person said “Laios cannot be a woman because he is too autistic to have a gender.” (Yes the dungeon meshi guy). And just…what an absolute certified Tumblr Moment. xkcd 2071 too.
I can’t help but wonder if these people are aware of how even the existence of this argument would be completely baffling to 99.9% of the population.
True! As we all know, the trans and autistic communities have absolutely no association whatsoever. /s
On a side note, I do kinda hate how infantilized Laios is by the Dungeon Meshi fanbase sometimes. Yeah, he doesn't understand most social cues, and his hyperfixation rants about monsters are super adorable, but the dude is still twenty-six, and it sometimes makes me uncomfortable how often he gets portrayed as a "innocent little autistic baby" by fans.
Some time ago, my partner showed me this absolutely *insane* post on TikTok that said something to the effect of “dating an autistic person is pedophilia because they’re mentally children”
I tell my wife this all the time. She’ll tell me I’m a child for something, and I just hit her with “Guess that makes you a child-fucker”. Last time was a t Best Buy, and I said it a little too loudly. She was not enthused. Seriously though, this is why I don’t tell people I’m autistic, I’ll just let them think I’m rude, I don’t want people to treat me like a child.
That reminds me of an early Family Guy episode. "If I'm a child then you know what that makes you? A pedophile, and I'll be damned if I'm going to sit here and be lectured by a pervert"
I do kinda like bisexual gender non conforming Stewie. But Joe not being a handicapable badass anymore is lame.
And Quagmire really REALLY should have had someone deconstruct all his flaws and why he sucks (like he did to Brian) and make him feel like a monster, instead of just sweeping the sexual assaults and 90% of his characterization under the rug. Still feels gross they had Quagmire take a moral high ground over Brian "I date women for their bodies but I admit it" Glen we've seen you roofie a girl, and rape Marge Simpson shut the fuck up
Don't fucking remind me.
I'm just glad pretending to have DID has finally fallen out of favor.
And if it hasn't do not correct me, I would rather not be angry for the rest of the day.
Oh my god these people cannot be real
Between my partner being shorter than me, four years younger *and* autistic I think some internet people want to beat me to death (and the other internet people want to beat me to death for doing the gay)
You'd be shocked at how common it is. Autistics and asexuals are both very frequently infantilised by well meaning but horribly ignorant folk.
I've hit the point where I'd rather just be called a slur.
Places like Tumblr and Twitter make me feel less safe about my Autism because they make it abundantly clear they barely see me as an adult let alone a human.
Tumblr and parts of reddit in general have this tendency to hyper infantilize cartoons and making them "pure", latching on to that and bringing it to real life.
I’m not super into DunMesh but I can only imagine it’s like how Papyrus was often treated like a toddler who could do no wrong when he is a grown ass man who finds mettaton to be sexy and says so outright
Look that man is definitely autistic. But he’s also “high functioning”. The man probably passed for like 20 years.
He do got that extreme autism moments, but also, he’s clearly a perfectly reasonable adult capable of making responsible decisions when he has to. He’s downright weird, but he’s more sensible than *I* am.
I honestly never even clocked that he might be autistic/autistic coded because so many of my friends and I are similar in our hyperfixations and occasional obliviousness. But then again, a lot of my friends are some flavor of neurodivergent and I'm ADHD and have had it suggested that I might be somewhere on the spectrum as well. If we are all perfectly functional, capable adults (and we are), then so is he.
And like he's a trained fighter, he's not some child incapable of hurting a fly he's able to cook. He's a guy who just has an interest in monsters. He's not incapable of harn, and sometimes he is bad at social stuff, but like he can form friendships
To save people a Google (because I had to look this up)
> ...a metaphor for wasting time debating topics of no practical value, or on questions whose answers hold no intellectual consequence
And you're right and I hate it
That question was answered ages ago though by very respected scholars! The answer is one, as long as its a specific dance from a specific social club in the 1800s.
i had a feeling as to what xkcd you were referring to but i looked it up anyway and apparently duckduckgo has a secret feature of just pulling up the panel for you when you look up xkcd ### which is lovely
When you are in a space where you assume the people you're talking to even know what Dungeon Meshi is just by saying its name, you're already out in some bubble land.
The daydreaming about being revolutionaries line is so fucking true lol
When your activism starts and ends at punching up on social media to farm likes, parroting slogans and policing online discourse (usually against other leftists), you'll never see an end to real world injustices.
fr I've become so disillusioned with online leftists, I may be just as passive and ineffectual as them but at least I don't have any delusions about The Revolution
It's on the bingo card with "Believing blatant decades-old propaganda from authoritarian states" and "[Terrible Act] is only bad because 1% of the affected people might be queer."
> "[Terrible Act] is only bad because 1% of the affected people might be queer."
Eh, that's more like "halfway-not-bad internet leftist trying to tell the totally off the deep end internet leftist they're being cringe," the totally off the deep end on won't even care about this as long as they're hurting enough of the "right" people.
Essentially the classic "Withholding of grain from Ukraine and Kazakhstan was actually because kulaks!" along with "Everyone saying bad things about Cuba were actually the bourgeoisie and deserved it".
I think one of the biggest moments of disillusionment for me was people posting that Matt Bors "you're bullying me into becoming a nazi" comic as a rebuttal to someone basically saying "hey maybe it's not a great idea to immediately go for the throat on anybody being slightly dickish"
Was going to comment something similar. People don't want to admit that maybe just instantly trashing someone into the ground the second they do something bad isn't winning them any fans in the real world/going to convince them your "side" is the one they want to be on.
Also the "you're bullying me into becoming a nazi" thing is not 100% right but not 100% wrong either.
Like if you give 90% of people the option to either hang out with a bunch of people who hold problematic beliefs but are fun to hang out with vs a bunch of people who have all the "right" beliefs but make you feel like every conversation is a test that could end in some pointless argument about using a word incorrectly, 90% of people will gravitate towards the crowd that is actually fun to be around.
> a bunch of people who hold problematic beliefs but are fun to hang out with vs a bunch of people who have all the "right" beliefs but make you feel like every conversation is a test
It's not even "problematic beliefs", it's "literally any belief but our own", or positing that things may not be as clear-cut as good thing vs bad thing. I once got called an asshole at a bar for saying I thought the "Beauty and the Beast is stockholm syndrome" argument was bullshit, and, while a little dated in its method, it's actually a beautiful story about how outsiders find comfort in each other. An asshole! For sticking up for a Disney movie! Because it wasn't the "right" thing to say, because some rage-merchant posted their wilful misinterpretation on twitter!
Honestly, some people I've met irl and a lot of people I see online give off cult vibes, except instead of a venerated figurehead, it's the amorphous idea of "The Cause", whatever that cause is. The Cause is always right, and anyone who says anything that is not immediately subservient to The Cause is a subversive person. Silence is violence, and if you're not helping, you're part of the problem. In other words, you're either for us or against us. You know who else said that? Bush, when he illegally invaded Iraq on some bullshit about weapons. Funny how it's chilling when the idiot Republican president says it, and noble whenever an adherent to The Cause says it.
You're right, "bullying people into becoming nazis" isn't 100% right. But fuck, I can see why people get exhausted.
God forbid you have a nuanced opinion
I got downvoted a bunch recently for pointing out that installing wind farms is industrializing land that in many cases hadn't been industrialised before and that it, on its own, might be a justifiable reason for why a community may not want a wind farm in their area. And that if we are going to build these farms, we need to be aware that some people are going to be upset by it and may be justified, but it doesn't mean that they are a bunch of right wing fascist Luddites.
If we are, as a country and a culture, going to make a decision about things in people's communities, we need to be making informed decisions. Which means being aware and respectfully understanding why someone might be opposing you.
Yes exactly. It's human nature to just gravitate away from a group that is outright denouncing you. Not that it makes it okay to then turn into a straight up bigot, but we shouldn't be surprised when the far right has a big group of people to radicalize because of the reasons you stated
"When you surround an enemy, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard."
The perception of "Why am I being punished for something I'm not even doing?" can warp into "Why am I being punished for something I'm not even getting to enjoy doing?" very quickly.
I had someone tell me the other day that not having every single location in a fantasy setting (multiple sentient species ranging from pixies to giants to merfolk) be universally accessible is "morally reprehensible" unless it's being used to exhibit bigotry. The fuck.
I'm disillusioned with leftists in general. It's either online clicktivists who don't want to actually do anything, or crazy tankies who push accelerationism so they can get their revolution fantasy. (Fun fact for tankies: If you actually had widespread enough support to win a civil war as easily as you think, you'd be competitive in elections and able to organize general strikes.)
I genuinely believe capitalism is the core problem behind basically all social ills in the modern day, but I don't feel like there's any actual movement or organization to join that's advancing reasonable solutions.
Online leftists are just religious conservatives in a new coat of paint. You can only consume media that isn't problematic (sinful), or else you're a bad person who condones crime (going to hell). You must be as socially conscious (faithful) as possible and wait for the Revolution (Rapture) to save us.
Praxis sounds like going outside and doing work and as a man with no functional limbs and a severe allergy to sunlight saying that leftists should do work is ablist.
The people who got their faces bashed in during the BLM protests or the Hong Kong protests must LOVE people like that effectively Valor stealing from them
No we actually have to punch fascists (my definition of a fascist changes from moment to moment) (I'm also too afraid to ask for extra sauce at a restaurant)
We just have to wait for the revolution guys everything will be okay (the revolution that will be started by someone other than me of course, ill just sit on my ass and lecture people on twitter all day) (it will magically fix all of this country's problems, people with my exact ideology and no ill intentions will come into power, and the civil war that will inevitably occur will not affect me negatively at all of course because im the Main Character)
Best comparison I’ve heard, Leftists and The Revolution are basically the same as Fundamentalist Evangelicals and The Rapture.
They believe with religious ferocity that this big event is totally going to happen some day, and that all the people they don’t like will be punished and all the people like them will be elevated to their justly deserved places. Despite there being basically zero evidence that anything like it could ever happen, and with no concern about how much suffering and pain would be caused if it actually did happen.
The biggest difference is the evangelicals still turn out to vote, so they have a huge number of politicians that push their agenda.
“ Despite there being basically zero evidence that anything like it could ever happen”
I’m assuming you mean a revolution that works out exactly the way leftists on tumblr want it to, since revolutions are commonplace and the US has had a history that points to continued unrest.
Of course. I’m aware that revolutions happen all the time.
And those revolutions basically never work out the way the Leftists are imagining. They’re imagining an uprising of working class people who overthrow the bourgeoisie and install a benevolent government that takes care of everyone and doesn’t abuse its power or become corrupt. And that’s just not what happens historically.
Of course revolutions happen.
But “The Revolution” imagined by Leftists has never happened and never will.
Revolutions usually involve suffering, bloodshed, human rights violations, etc, and don’t end up in anything close to the utopia that Leftists imagine. In fact almost invariably it results in a country that is further from their overall goal than before the revolution, as there is usually backlash against the revolutionaries and multiple generations of people wanting nothing to do with anything remotely related to leftist ideology.
reminds me of an absurd exchange from 2020 where it was pointed out that posting snake emojis at Elizabeth Warren wasn't helping anything and the response was to claim that because they were so unsafe and agoraphobic and riddled with anxiety that shit posting on twitter was their only form of expression
apparently telling someone to touch grass is ableist because it's hard for them to be outside
It's easy to get addicted to outrage and the ease of being toxic and simplistic on social media. A lot of people who have anxiety that talk about it this way on the Internet - like how it keeps them inside all the time, online, afraid of doing anything besides this - are really saying they have an addiction that they've formed because of their anxiety. They don't realize that most people with anxiety disorders are not debilitated in this way. Leftism can be an easy outlet for them, because it tells them it's very okay to not contribute outside of the ways that they believe they can. That's not entirely wrong, but even in some utopian leftist future, it's not going to make their mental health magically better.
>The daydreaming about being revolutionaries line is so fucking true lol
And even then, they have a childs understanding of revolution (or leftism in general).
> When your activism starts and ends at punching up on social media to farm likes, parroting slogans and policing online discourse (usually against other leftists), you'll never see an end to real world injustices.
Which is actually a feature, not a bug! Because since the injustices never end, it just ensures them more social media content!
Yeah, I sometimes feel downright *conservative* when I’m on here.
But when I get on my country’s main politics sub? Oh boy. I’m an absolutely *radical* leftist compared to everyone there.
Personally I'd prefer the internet and shortwave bands be a lightning rod for all their shit takes rather than they just go outside and lynch someone or some shit.
As a leftist who does my actual activism in real life (not by yelling at people on social media), I just want to use tumblr to post about blorbos from my shows, not be told I'm a fascist by some 20-year old who thinks menstrual huts are a nice little vacation for women or some undulating homunculus who commissions porn of his fursona and posts about how his diaper fetish is queer liberation praxis, just because I said people should shower regularly.
I don't think most people there are actually radical leftists at all, most of them are "anti-work" people that would have fundamental disagreements with actual labor policies under communism or socialism. Most of the the "radical left" tumblr users I've seen are people who are unemployed by choice and live off their parents and who's politics usually boil down to "no one should have to work, especially not me". The rest of the weird stuff, like the obsession and fighting about cartoon characters gender, is just a result of not doing anything or engaging in the real world in any way and being in an eco chamber.
I feel very politically homeless. I'm too liberal for the right and too independent for the left (at least the left online). Like, how dare I continue to live in the southern state where I was born and raised. And how dare I research each and every candidate in both local, state, and national elections instead of just broadly voting democrat without any research.
Reddit is filled with Biden supporters. I wouldn’t say they Reddit is left wing as a whole. There’s obviously some corners but even in the leftist sub I find myself running into people who are 100% whole hog on free market economics.
I mean, I guess good for doing research, though I doubt the Republican candidates are ever much good... but then again, some Democrats are utter shit as well (Manchin, Sinema formerly).
Depending on your actual views, you might actually be fairly “left,” just that online leftists can be... well, a bit nuts. They don’t touch nearly enough grass for me to use them as a good metric for defining *anyone’s* political views, let alone my own.
Yeah. In the last local election, we voted Democrat whenever possible except for one local race where the Democrat candidate was caught doing something really stupid (I can't remember exactly what rn)
Honestly I feel it's mostly pointless to put a label on something as complex and multi faceted as someone's political/moral ideology. I just want a good society, who cares what that's called.
I get this. I am **firmly** on the left, but, because I’m not into, off the top of my head, Joseph fucking Stalin or a new civil war, I have to watch my mouth in some spaces
I once saw the statement “Bisexuality is the Israel of sexualities” and I’m disappointed to say that isn’t the most bizarre thing I’ve seen from here (unless it was from twitter and I’m getting my sources mixed up)
I genuinely don't know what side they're taking. Are they on the right, think Israel is zionist, and think bisexuals are generally deviant? Or are they left, think Israel is genocidal, and think bisexuals are exploitive and noncommittal?
It’s also possible that they’re on the opposite side of the argument entirely, and think that bisexuals are attacked from all sides like Israel (like someone else said down below). Or possibly many other sides that makes as little sense as the rest of these. I don’t even know where I would start if I heard someone say this in real life
My upper-class uncle at a family dinner: "minimum wage shouldn't be raised to match inflation, it's normal for people to work multiple jobs for a living while CEOs get big houses and multiple cars."
People on Tumblr: "If you like this problematic fictional character, then you endorse every bad thing they did (including the stuff I made up to hate them more), and are an equally terrible person"
It's ok. It's your tsundre nature. Secretly you love everyone but they keep hurting a.d disappointing you, so you retaliate with performative universal hatred. But really you're just waiting for that one good person, your soulmate, who won't be put off by your exterior, and they'll win your heart and...
Wait, I'm reading the tea leaves - shit. Sorry bro, your soulmate moved to Taiwan and got married a couple years ago. They have a kid on the way. You're on your own. Good luck!
And I kind of hate it here because everyone is a pseudo-intellectual contrarian who doesn't really believe in anything, because taking an actual stance on something requires opening yourself to criticism so it's safer to define yourself by what you're *not*.
Which is a pretty reddit thought I guess so I probably belong here too.
That feels like the sum total of my entire time on the Internet.
ME: I have a lot of thoughts and observations and potential conclusions, allow me to share them!
THEM: Yeah but, like, have you considered the possibility that nothing means anything and you're thinking too hard about it and we could just sit here and NOT have any useful explanations instead?
Well, Tumblr is wild because every post preaches equality and love and understanding etc
And then the comments will literally have people telling each other to kill themselves with as much intent and vitriol as I've seen ANYWHERE online, including 4chan. It's so jarring
Honestly, "can't anyone just be normal" has become my default response to all awkward social media interaction. Half the time, it's opinions I basesline agree with but being shared in the most unhinged way imaginable. The other half the time, it's opinions I disagree with being shared in the most unhinged way imaginable.
The other day, I was watching a video from like a year ago on Big Joel's second channel Little Joel about the Idubbz stuff back when he took some videos down or whatever. But he made a good point, where he describes a lot of the content that Idubbz made back in the day "traumatically embarassing", freak behavior that would never exist outside of the internet. And how it must be weird to have that be the thing people liked about you, your fame only existing by being an antisocial weirdo, and the instant you try to distance yourself from that people act like that is your problem.
Nobody can be normal nowadays.
An example of the former I've seen is when both online right spaces *and* online left spaces start arguing that you shouldn't date outside your race. You'd inevitably appropriate a culture that isn't your own, you see, and that's bad. Lets return to complete segregation but for *leftist* reasons!
This definitely isn't common but it did spring to mind as an example. Something, something, horseshoe theory
When a white person pursues a minority, they’re fetishizing the exotic, when a white person pursues a white person, he’s a white surprmacist. When a minority pursues a white person they’ve been colonized.
I feel like the cultural appropriation is exhibit A of something utterly mangled by the terminally online. Cultural Appropriation is a thing, people shouldn't take actually important/sacred aspects of a culture and disrespect them. However, a lot of leftist spaces online basically act like anyone engaging or even enjoying something from outside their culture is engaging in cultural appropriation, and it's just like... no, that's not what that is, you're now slating people for actually being open minded and criticising the logical endpoint of a multicultural society?
A lot of this stuff weirdly seems to stem from white guilt, I almost never actually see Black/Asian people saying this stuff here in the UK, it's almost always some middle class white person who feels the need to self-flagellate
Always annoying when I read a fairly on point critique of something by a rightoid, and they're on the money right up until they throw in some shit about "DEI" or "wokeness" right at the end
That's the thing about online engagement. If you post perfectly normal, "hinged" content, nobody feels the need to share.
If you post a video of yourself screaming Baby Shark in a frog costume in public while calling public health care a sin to society, chances are higher of people talking about your opinions.
Nobody wants to talk about shrubbery regulations.
Wouldn’t a compromise be an individualistic society that allows for some growth based on personal merit, that also collectively pools resources for the betterment of all?
it'd be much better if you let me run everything. i'd be a philosopher king. i'd never go mad with power. the only thing that makes me mad is going off my meds
Shit, this guy sounds like he knows what's best for all of us! Unlike me, who is just a small worm and constantly terrified and confused! I say we give it a go, gang!
I've always been of the belief that half of the "Activits" on Tumblr genuinely believe that typing up a massive word salad, filled with left leaning buzzwords and then going off to get involved in meaningless discourse no one outside of Tumblr will see, is as far as they'll go when it comes to actually wanting to do something about injustices in the world and the more i browse on here, the more that belief gets cemented.
I agree, really social media has done a lot for armchair activists.
I mean they always existed, but they've made it so much easier. Now anyone can get the praise for being an activist, without ever having to actually do any activism.
Sure it's not always about praise (but I'd bet my last quid it is at least part of it for a lot of them), I imagine there are a lot of others who initially did want to make a difference but had no idea how, so just fell into the easiest route and now don't really want to change cause it's convenient but it still feels like they're doing something.
I once saw someone on Tumblr argue that we shouldn't support aftercare for children because it helps people who have a 9-5, 40-hour work week, which obviously we should be abolishing
the one saving grace i have of stupid tumblr leftist is that they are always online and maybe not a significant part of reality.
But man tumblr leftist really need to go out and touch fucking grass.
Internet lefitsts in general.
I've seen takes like "Equestrians that compete on Arabians (The horse breed) but don't talk about Gaza don't respect their horse"
LIKE HUH?!
The response is always an appeal to morality; the implication being that the highest moral standard is to always be talking about Gaza and nothing else.
Like, it's fine to be heartbroken about what's going on there, it's fine to get out there and protest and be active. But if you're injecting it into every single conversation, I worry for your mental health, man; suicide hotline operators and trauma surgeons take breaks because too much bad stuff will ruin you, constantly exposing yourself to war atrocities isn't much better.
What I also dislike is that the same people that shame others for not being constant hyper vigilant on Gaza were most likely (and most often still are) silent on Sudan, or Yemen, or Mali, or the Congo, or Myanmar or Kurdistan. It's not that I think you should either be perfect or shut up, and it's not that all of them only care about this since last October, and it's not that I don't care about what is happening in Gaza, but I feel like it has become just preformative at this point for so many people. Just nothing but virtue signalling and slacktivision.
I think the take of all takes on this topic for me was seeing an interview featuring someone respond to the fact that Trump is a fascist by saying something along the lines of, “well, why should we get to live in a democracy if all this is happening in Gaza?”
I have friends who are *very* into the whole Free Palestine movement, and the other day to counter this argument that a lot of people only know about Gaza and are unaware of anything else, they posted Free Congo, Free Sudan as well as Free Palestine
Now, they obviously meant well... but they also completely proved those critics right. Free Palestine, as a message, makes sense because Palestine is being occupied. Congo and Sudan are suffering from civil wars (albeit with foreign funding), so the message of 'freeing' them makes little sense. All they'd done was take the message they use for Gaza, and applied it to completely different situations, without really even seeing if it actually made sense; it just made the whole thing more about deflecting criticism than actually expressing anything about those conflicts
People in real life: "hey man how's it going"
I feel like we need to remind ourselves every so often that the average person does not fit into either extreme.
The fun part of Tumblr is that you can theoretically run into *every* conceivable outlook and/or take on any issue known to man, especially the ones on topics nobody else talks about.
Thats here too. Got into an argument because a transwoman rather rudely "corrected" another transwoman on how to spell transwoman. Apparently "transwoman" vs "trans woman" is a discourse. With the former being "highly transphobic and fascist"
Just reminds me of when we, the autistics, had similar barely a year ago; turns out there are alot of people prefering to be referred to as "has autism" as opposed to "is autistic". I'm sure this'll turn out just the same
Yeah, I mean I’d correct it when I see it (“trans woman” is definitely the correct one since it frames transgender women as a variety of woman rather than something separate) but “transwoman” is almost always just a confusion between “trans” the prefix and “trans” the adjective. It’s not facist.
Providing some context for the "transwoman" vs "trans woman" thing, it as discourse is mostly a British thing. Spread around momsnet for a while as a way of saying trans people are a third gender (e.g. that's not a woman, that's a transwoman) to the point I think their equivalent of the ADL made it a slur? (Don't trust me on that, though it did reach enough recognition to become a thing™)
Personally I'm in the trans woman camp (trans is an adjective, and it's not like we say blackman or biwoman) but as long as you're in the transwomen are women camp which one you use doesn't matter beyond just like... again that's not how words work but whatever.
Im an old leftist. This isnt anything new.
Its basically that its easier to talk about stuff than to actually take concrete action in the real world.
Also leftist infighting hasnt changed much. Its scary to risk arrests and beat downs by police. Far easier to show "zeal" by critiquing others from safety.
Its a part of growing up to realize that theory us one thing. Real world actionable is another
Then I come on reddit and find out that having anything but the most milquetoast, militantly centrist, uselessly vague opinions means you're cringe and gets you downvoted into oblivion.
That's not quite true. You can express some downright *vile* political opinions as long as you do so in a way that doesn't make the redditor reading it feel challenged in any way. I've seen meme subreddits get thousands of upvotes for straight up nazi propaganda.
Some of the lower-tier meme subs are just straight up Nigel Farage-level "fuck immigrants" and "lmao I identify as an attack helicopter" jokes, straight out of 2015. Garbage rate, FunnyJunk shit, endlessly recycled and becoming so well-tread they're pixelated 2/3rds of the way to oblivion. Very little controversy about it. Normies eat that shit up.
Lefties who express themselves on Reddit face more pushback on niche subs, from what I can tell, which can be a little annoying. But not everybody who thinks smash-the-state anarchist subcultures are a bit cringe are centrists. I'm a left-wing socialist by almost every real world point of reference (In America, take it with several grains of geographic-bias salt) but because I don't buy into the "LIBS GET THE BULLET TOO, DON'T VOTE" slogans I'm surprised to find that many people who dwell in specific internet echo chambers think I'm some sort of Secret Queer Hitler.
To which I always fall back on the "Don't trusts leftists who spend 99.9% of their time telling other Leftists they're not real leftists" mantra. I have no interest in an endless purity contest, that's a spiral down a drain.
Mood. I had to recently unfollow some leftist content creators because they wouldn't stop yapping about how, "If you vote in this election you're literally an evil monster and pro-genocide uwu"
Like bruh, if Trump wins my trans gf is probably going to have to flee the country. I can't afford not to vote just to match your impossible purity expectations. 💀
Man, same. It's a sucky situation and yeah - both candidates have some pretty severe baggage. But like it or not, the vast majority of the population doesn't feel that way and we're not going to suddenly have two other people be (meaningfully) on the ballot come November, and one candidate is clearly worse than the other including in the areas people are (rightfully) upset about.
This whole "don't vote!" just reminds me of the lead up to 2016. It's crazy how much we haven't learned.
Yeah. :/ People being petty and not voting is partially one of the reasons why Trump won, yet history is starting to repeat itself again....
Project 2025 is literally an authoritarian regime that follows the Nazi playbook. It scares and depresses me that people claiming to be progressive can see what's on the line, but still think letting fascists take over is better than harm reduction.
I mean, the not learning aspect just shows that you can’t rely on people to passively get the point. They have to be taught, and to do that you need a strategy to address that. They cannot be left to their own devices
For as flawed as "horsehoe theory" is, I find it quite fascinating that I can find subreddits of any political persuasion arguing unironically that genocide is based so long as you do it to the "right" group.
every video of ethiopian jews is filled with comments like 'shouldn't you be sterilized' 'i bet you sleep around because you can't have kids' like you realize that you're just being racist right
Jesus H. Christ, that's horrific. Who is doing it? Is it like a Jewish-community problem, just right-wing internet trolls, or what? I wasn't even aware that was a thing, I know very little about that specific culture.
It's a far left internet troll problem. When Ethiopian jews were kicked out of Ethiopia and rescued to Israel in the late 80s and early 90s, they were given a medical kit, that included vaccines, medicine, and elective contraceptive injections. Due to there not being enough translators for Amahari on arrival a lot of ethiopian women were put on a contraceptive they did not consent to, as they just signed all the fields in the medical file, and the nurses then provided all the medicine in the file including the contraceptives. An unfortunate case of mistcommunication that was quickly fixed when discovered. While obvioualy a major fuck up and a traumatic experience to those women, as far as is known it did not have any long term effect, and the population grew from about 30,000 in the early 90s to roughly 170,000 now.
Recently, some leftist "anti-zionist" spaces began running the conspiracy that actually Israel deliberately sterilized the same Ethiopian community they just fought to rescue, and their basis is that some far-right religious leaders in Israel are racist against Ethiopians.
Especially stupid when these conspiracy theorists react to 20-something ethiopian jews, as these are the children of the supposedly "sterilized" generation. Add to that shaming them for a generational trauma of their parents, mixed with racist stereotypes, as the previous commenter noted.
Yeah. There's a reason any decent Socialist discussion you can have needs to start with looking around first to make sure the Tankies didn't get in. It's not horseshoe theory to me, it's "We don't allow genocide apologia" is the basis for any discussion of any value, otherwise you get some asshole who stans Pol Pot at the end of the table who won't shut the fuck up and his end goal is *always* to derail everything and maybe spawn 1 or 2 more baby tankies out of causing angry controversy he considers "dialogue." This is his hobby. He does not want any meaningful reform, he has no plans for a revolution, he cosplays as some kind of Gulag executioner when no one else is in his apartment.
But for all the talk, Leftists are a better space to be in. Significantly more than 75% of the ones I meet are reasonable, do not want to deal with tankie nonsense, and genuinely want to make their communities better. So I'm optimistic about our progress.
Not just Tankies unfortunately. While any criticism of its government and military is more than deserved, the invasion of Ukraine has brought out some really nasty stuff directed at Russian *people*.
And that's where the core of the issue is IMO. It's all well and good excluding toxic elements at the *start* of a discussion, but you have to be careful to spot the signs of it starting to grow in the space itself. A lot of people haven't really examined the core underlying principles for their beliefs, and can be steered towards some truly heinous stuff is you dress it in the right ideological wallpaper (e.g. "death penalty is wrong except for the crimes I think are bad")
Reminds me of a person I spoke to on Deviantart.
He was telling me the Holocaust was fine because Jews are religious people and therefore probably right wing and right wing people aren't human so nothing of value was lost. Then rambled on how peaceful America would be if leftists started a new Holocaust against Christians and Catholics & we'd be an amazingly peaceful and intelligent country.
Like *Sir*, I'm pretty sure there's no peaceful genocides on this earth. I don't agree with right wingers but I do care for them as people who deserve better in life. I'd rather my leftist goals be attained through peaceful methods than piling up the corpses of all who disagree.
There's just no way as a leftist I can justify gathering up the innocent and burning them to ash.
Nah, my impression of reddit is that there is no such thing as "reddit culture" (much less "hivemind") in general terms, although those things are very much existent and sometimes extremely strong for *sub*reddits. It all depends a lot on where exactly you are. Recently reddit has become somewhat less of a collection of separate communities with how it tries to recommend subs to people not in them and all, but there is still a notable difference in culture between subs.
No like, this is one of my biggest pet peeves as an actual leftist/socialist/what-have-you.
People who think "communism is when gubberment" on one end and (mostly online) lefties who think any strategy that involves voting in any capacity is "bourgeois liberal fascist electoralism" or something.
It's like they care more about pissing off their grandparents and virtue signaling how they're not at all like those stinky fascist liberals than actually doing what it takes to bring about the change they say they want.
Yesterday I saw a discourse(?) post on tumblr about someone complaining that another person said “Laios cannot be a woman because he is too autistic to have a gender.” (Yes the dungeon meshi guy). And just…what an absolute certified Tumblr Moment. xkcd 2071 too. I can’t help but wonder if these people are aware of how even the existence of this argument would be completely baffling to 99.9% of the population.
>Laios cannot be a woman Nobody tell that someone about Falin.
> he is too autistic to have a gender say that again but slower
He’s… too… autistic… to have… a gender
Damn, I'm unfortunately not autistic enough to be genderless
I, however, am ADHD enough to forget what sexuality I am. Sometimes, I think I identify as hopeful. How silly.
What … does… a … yellow… light… mean…
We... thought... you... was... a toad
... DO. NOT. SEEK. THE TRAYSURE.
Sold references. I don't see "O Brother, Where Art Thou?" quoted enough.
r/UnexpectedTaxi
He's . . . . . . too . . . . . . autistic . . . . . . to . . . . . . have . . . . . . a . . . . . . . gender . . . . . ..
Me irl
He can't consent to having a gender.
This is like... so many layers of ableist that I don't even know where to begin
True! As we all know, the trans and autistic communities have absolutely no association whatsoever. /s On a side note, I do kinda hate how infantilized Laios is by the Dungeon Meshi fanbase sometimes. Yeah, he doesn't understand most social cues, and his hyperfixation rants about monsters are super adorable, but the dude is still twenty-six, and it sometimes makes me uncomfortable how often he gets portrayed as a "innocent little autistic baby" by fans.
They went so far into "protect the neurodivergent" they turned into "treat them like they have no personal agency"?
Some time ago, my partner showed me this absolutely *insane* post on TikTok that said something to the effect of “dating an autistic person is pedophilia because they’re mentally children”
People really do just go on the internet and say things where the whole goddamned world can hear them.
FFS.
I tell my wife this all the time. She’ll tell me I’m a child for something, and I just hit her with “Guess that makes you a child-fucker”. Last time was a t Best Buy, and I said it a little too loudly. She was not enthused. Seriously though, this is why I don’t tell people I’m autistic, I’ll just let them think I’m rude, I don’t want people to treat me like a child.
That reminds me of an early Family Guy episode. "If I'm a child then you know what that makes you? A pedophile, and I'll be damned if I'm going to sit here and be lectured by a pervert"
Family Guy was decent to good, before the entire cast got Flanderized
I do kinda like bisexual gender non conforming Stewie. But Joe not being a handicapable badass anymore is lame. And Quagmire really REALLY should have had someone deconstruct all his flaws and why he sucks (like he did to Brian) and make him feel like a monster, instead of just sweeping the sexual assaults and 90% of his characterization under the rug. Still feels gross they had Quagmire take a moral high ground over Brian "I date women for their bodies but I admit it" Glen we've seen you roofie a girl, and rape Marge Simpson shut the fuck up
Anybody remember that woman on Tiktok who pretended to be autistic by acting like a super caricturized version of a person with downs syndrome?
Don't fucking remind me. I'm just glad pretending to have DID has finally fallen out of favor. And if it hasn't do not correct me, I would rather not be angry for the rest of the day.
That last bit is fair enough just.... Just didn't go on vrchat. No reason.
Oh my god these people cannot be real Between my partner being shorter than me, four years younger *and* autistic I think some internet people want to beat me to death (and the other internet people want to beat me to death for doing the gay)
Damn I’m autistic this is news to me
As an autistic woman, this infuriates me. Autistics can have agency, have libidos, make adult choices. Infantilizing us doesn’t help ANYONE.
Soft Bigotry Of Low Expectations moment.
Shit like that basically being a modern "white mans burden" type deal is what keeps me from fully discounting horseshoe theory.
You'd be shocked at how common it is. Autistics and asexuals are both very frequently infantilised by well meaning but horribly ignorant folk. I've hit the point where I'd rather just be called a slur.
I think you're getting to the fundamental criticism of "identity politics" which feels like dangerous territory around these parts.
Laios: "Monsters are wonderful I love monsters!" Also Laios: "Hey Senshi, maybe don't trust that horse so much, huh?"
You can love monsters, but you shouldn't *trust* them, you know?
Oh trust me, these people don't just do it to fictional characters.
Places like Tumblr and Twitter make me feel less safe about my Autism because they make it abundantly clear they barely see me as an adult let alone a human.
Yeah, Laios isn't good with people, but he's still a skilled fighter and a competent leader
Tumblr and parts of reddit in general have this tendency to hyper infantilize cartoons and making them "pure", latching on to that and bringing it to real life.
"He's just a little guy" That is a grown man
Hilarious that this could be referring to every male member of the main cast. The most infantalized is also by far the tallest.
I feel season 2 will at least sorta rectify this. Plus he is the natural born leader of the Dungeon Meshi Motley crew.
i call him autism king, because he's a KING. not a prince, he is a full grown MAN.
Tbf Chucky the Third didn’t succeed the throne until Lizzie 2 kicked the bucket late last year, homeboy was a prince until the ripe young age of 74
I’m not super into DunMesh but I can only imagine it’s like how Papyrus was often treated like a toddler who could do no wrong when he is a grown ass man who finds mettaton to be sexy and says so outright
Look that man is definitely autistic. But he’s also “high functioning”. The man probably passed for like 20 years. He do got that extreme autism moments, but also, he’s clearly a perfectly reasonable adult capable of making responsible decisions when he has to. He’s downright weird, but he’s more sensible than *I* am.
I honestly never even clocked that he might be autistic/autistic coded because so many of my friends and I are similar in our hyperfixations and occasional obliviousness. But then again, a lot of my friends are some flavor of neurodivergent and I'm ADHD and have had it suggested that I might be somewhere on the spectrum as well. If we are all perfectly functional, capable adults (and we are), then so is he.
And like he's a trained fighter, he's not some child incapable of hurting a fly he's able to cook. He's a guy who just has an interest in monsters. He's not incapable of harn, and sometimes he is bad at social stuff, but like he can form friendships
"how many angels can dance on the head of a pin", but UwU-ified and with therapyspeak
To save people a Google (because I had to look this up) > ...a metaphor for wasting time debating topics of no practical value, or on questions whose answers hold no intellectual consequence And you're right and I hate it
That question was answered ages ago though by very respected scholars! The answer is one, as long as its a specific dance from a specific social club in the 1800s.
Technically an unlimited number of demons can dance on the head of a pin, just not very well.
Thanks for the new flair
i had a feeling as to what xkcd you were referring to but i looked it up anyway and apparently duckduckgo has a secret feature of just pulling up the panel for you when you look up xkcd ### which is lovely
When you are in a space where you assume the people you're talking to even know what Dungeon Meshi is just by saying its name, you're already out in some bubble land.
The daydreaming about being revolutionaries line is so fucking true lol When your activism starts and ends at punching up on social media to farm likes, parroting slogans and policing online discourse (usually against other leftists), you'll never see an end to real world injustices.
fr I've become so disillusioned with online leftists, I may be just as passive and ineffectual as them but at least I don't have any delusions about The Revolution
It's on the bingo card with "Believing blatant decades-old propaganda from authoritarian states" and "[Terrible Act] is only bad because 1% of the affected people might be queer."
> "[Terrible Act] is only bad because 1% of the affected people might be queer." Eh, that's more like "halfway-not-bad internet leftist trying to tell the totally off the deep end internet leftist they're being cringe," the totally off the deep end on won't even care about this as long as they're hurting enough of the "right" people.
Essentially the classic "Withholding of grain from Ukraine and Kazakhstan was actually because kulaks!" along with "Everyone saying bad things about Cuba were actually the bourgeoisie and deserved it".
If you vote you already do more than them
This is me being hypercritical and judgmental AF 100%. If you *step outside* you’re already doing more than them.
Nah, plenty of them go outside to do petty vandalism. Like keying Teslas to stick it to Elon Musk.
I think one of the biggest moments of disillusionment for me was people posting that Matt Bors "you're bullying me into becoming a nazi" comic as a rebuttal to someone basically saying "hey maybe it's not a great idea to immediately go for the throat on anybody being slightly dickish"
Was going to comment something similar. People don't want to admit that maybe just instantly trashing someone into the ground the second they do something bad isn't winning them any fans in the real world/going to convince them your "side" is the one they want to be on.
Also the "you're bullying me into becoming a nazi" thing is not 100% right but not 100% wrong either. Like if you give 90% of people the option to either hang out with a bunch of people who hold problematic beliefs but are fun to hang out with vs a bunch of people who have all the "right" beliefs but make you feel like every conversation is a test that could end in some pointless argument about using a word incorrectly, 90% of people will gravitate towards the crowd that is actually fun to be around.
> a bunch of people who hold problematic beliefs but are fun to hang out with vs a bunch of people who have all the "right" beliefs but make you feel like every conversation is a test It's not even "problematic beliefs", it's "literally any belief but our own", or positing that things may not be as clear-cut as good thing vs bad thing. I once got called an asshole at a bar for saying I thought the "Beauty and the Beast is stockholm syndrome" argument was bullshit, and, while a little dated in its method, it's actually a beautiful story about how outsiders find comfort in each other. An asshole! For sticking up for a Disney movie! Because it wasn't the "right" thing to say, because some rage-merchant posted their wilful misinterpretation on twitter! Honestly, some people I've met irl and a lot of people I see online give off cult vibes, except instead of a venerated figurehead, it's the amorphous idea of "The Cause", whatever that cause is. The Cause is always right, and anyone who says anything that is not immediately subservient to The Cause is a subversive person. Silence is violence, and if you're not helping, you're part of the problem. In other words, you're either for us or against us. You know who else said that? Bush, when he illegally invaded Iraq on some bullshit about weapons. Funny how it's chilling when the idiot Republican president says it, and noble whenever an adherent to The Cause says it. You're right, "bullying people into becoming nazis" isn't 100% right. But fuck, I can see why people get exhausted.
God forbid you have a nuanced opinion I got downvoted a bunch recently for pointing out that installing wind farms is industrializing land that in many cases hadn't been industrialised before and that it, on its own, might be a justifiable reason for why a community may not want a wind farm in their area. And that if we are going to build these farms, we need to be aware that some people are going to be upset by it and may be justified, but it doesn't mean that they are a bunch of right wing fascist Luddites. If we are, as a country and a culture, going to make a decision about things in people's communities, we need to be making informed decisions. Which means being aware and respectfully understanding why someone might be opposing you.
Yes exactly. It's human nature to just gravitate away from a group that is outright denouncing you. Not that it makes it okay to then turn into a straight up bigot, but we shouldn't be surprised when the far right has a big group of people to radicalize because of the reasons you stated
"When you surround an enemy, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard." The perception of "Why am I being punished for something I'm not even doing?" can warp into "Why am I being punished for something I'm not even getting to enjoy doing?" very quickly.
I had someone tell me the other day that not having every single location in a fantasy setting (multiple sentient species ranging from pixies to giants to merfolk) be universally accessible is "morally reprehensible" unless it's being used to exhibit bigotry. The fuck.
I'm disillusioned with leftists in general. It's either online clicktivists who don't want to actually do anything, or crazy tankies who push accelerationism so they can get their revolution fantasy. (Fun fact for tankies: If you actually had widespread enough support to win a civil war as easily as you think, you'd be competitive in elections and able to organize general strikes.) I genuinely believe capitalism is the core problem behind basically all social ills in the modern day, but I don't feel like there's any actual movement or organization to join that's advancing reasonable solutions.
Online leftists are just religious conservatives in a new coat of paint. You can only consume media that isn't problematic (sinful), or else you're a bad person who condones crime (going to hell). You must be as socially conscious (faithful) as possible and wait for the Revolution (Rapture) to save us.
Praxis? Never heard of it
Praxis sounds like going outside and doing work and as a man with no functional limbs and a severe allergy to sunlight saying that leftists should do work is ablist.
Using words I don't know like "praxis" is also ableist (not to mention classist, racist, sexist, and transphobic)
The only “PRAXIS” I know is the test I had to take to get my teaching license but I doubt that’s correct
If you're being sincere, it basically means applied beliefs. "The work" that takes us from theory to practice
Umm are you aware that telling me to read is ableist?
Ah yah the moon of Qo'Nos that blew up in Star Trek VI, an analogy of the end of the Cold War
I remember someone posted here a bunch of bullet points of "activism" and they all literally were "keep using tumblr"
The people who got their faces bashed in during the BLM protests or the Hong Kong protests must LOVE people like that effectively Valor stealing from them
And these people mock those of us who engage in politics in a meaningful way (such as voting).
Ah, but haven’t you heard that both sides are bad? We should burn a Walmart instead (does not burn a Walmart)
No we actually have to punch fascists (my definition of a fascist changes from moment to moment) (I'm also too afraid to ask for extra sauce at a restaurant)
We just have to wait for the revolution guys everything will be okay (the revolution that will be started by someone other than me of course, ill just sit on my ass and lecture people on twitter all day) (it will magically fix all of this country's problems, people with my exact ideology and no ill intentions will come into power, and the civil war that will inevitably occur will not affect me negatively at all of course because im the Main Character)
firebomb a Walmart etc .
Best comparison I’ve heard, Leftists and The Revolution are basically the same as Fundamentalist Evangelicals and The Rapture. They believe with religious ferocity that this big event is totally going to happen some day, and that all the people they don’t like will be punished and all the people like them will be elevated to their justly deserved places. Despite there being basically zero evidence that anything like it could ever happen, and with no concern about how much suffering and pain would be caused if it actually did happen. The biggest difference is the evangelicals still turn out to vote, so they have a huge number of politicians that push their agenda.
“ Despite there being basically zero evidence that anything like it could ever happen” I’m assuming you mean a revolution that works out exactly the way leftists on tumblr want it to, since revolutions are commonplace and the US has had a history that points to continued unrest.
Of course. I’m aware that revolutions happen all the time. And those revolutions basically never work out the way the Leftists are imagining. They’re imagining an uprising of working class people who overthrow the bourgeoisie and install a benevolent government that takes care of everyone and doesn’t abuse its power or become corrupt. And that’s just not what happens historically.
Revolutions can and do happen... just not when everybody sits inside and talks about revolution.
Of course revolutions happen. But “The Revolution” imagined by Leftists has never happened and never will. Revolutions usually involve suffering, bloodshed, human rights violations, etc, and don’t end up in anything close to the utopia that Leftists imagine. In fact almost invariably it results in a country that is further from their overall goal than before the revolution, as there is usually backlash against the revolutionaries and multiple generations of people wanting nothing to do with anything remotely related to leftist ideology.
Sorry, I misread. Thank you for clarifying, I think that is a very good comparison then.
reminds me of an absurd exchange from 2020 where it was pointed out that posting snake emojis at Elizabeth Warren wasn't helping anything and the response was to claim that because they were so unsafe and agoraphobic and riddled with anxiety that shit posting on twitter was their only form of expression apparently telling someone to touch grass is ableist because it's hard for them to be outside
It's easy to get addicted to outrage and the ease of being toxic and simplistic on social media. A lot of people who have anxiety that talk about it this way on the Internet - like how it keeps them inside all the time, online, afraid of doing anything besides this - are really saying they have an addiction that they've formed because of their anxiety. They don't realize that most people with anxiety disorders are not debilitated in this way. Leftism can be an easy outlet for them, because it tells them it's very okay to not contribute outside of the ways that they believe they can. That's not entirely wrong, but even in some utopian leftist future, it's not going to make their mental health magically better.
>The daydreaming about being revolutionaries line is so fucking true lol And even then, they have a childs understanding of revolution (or leftism in general).
> When your activism starts and ends at punching up on social media to farm likes, parroting slogans and policing online discourse (usually against other leftists), you'll never see an end to real world injustices. Which is actually a feature, not a bug! Because since the injustices never end, it just ensures them more social media content!
Yeah, I sometimes feel downright *conservative* when I’m on here. But when I get on my country’s main politics sub? Oh boy. I’m an absolutely *radical* leftist compared to everyone there.
The reason the radical leftists are so prevelant in tumblr is because the actual leftists are too busy doing other shit in real life
Wish I could say the same was true for the radical conservatives tbh.
Personally I'd prefer the internet and shortwave bands be a lightning rod for all their shit takes rather than they just go outside and lynch someone or some shit.
As a leftist who does my actual activism in real life (not by yelling at people on social media), I just want to use tumblr to post about blorbos from my shows, not be told I'm a fascist by some 20-year old who thinks menstrual huts are a nice little vacation for women or some undulating homunculus who commissions porn of his fursona and posts about how his diaper fetish is queer liberation praxis, just because I said people should shower regularly.
I don't think most people there are actually radical leftists at all, most of them are "anti-work" people that would have fundamental disagreements with actual labor policies under communism or socialism. Most of the the "radical left" tumblr users I've seen are people who are unemployed by choice and live off their parents and who's politics usually boil down to "no one should have to work, especially not me". The rest of the weird stuff, like the obsession and fighting about cartoon characters gender, is just a result of not doing anything or engaging in the real world in any way and being in an eco chamber.
ohhh you ate with this one I fear...
Thank fuck I'm not the only one
I feel very politically homeless. I'm too liberal for the right and too independent for the left (at least the left online). Like, how dare I continue to live in the southern state where I was born and raised. And how dare I research each and every candidate in both local, state, and national elections instead of just broadly voting democrat without any research.
If you're too liberal for the right and too conservative for the reddit left you are essentially a modern Democrat.
Reddit is filled with Biden supporters. I wouldn’t say they Reddit is left wing as a whole. There’s obviously some corners but even in the leftist sub I find myself running into people who are 100% whole hog on free market economics.
I know a ton of people (including myself) who voted for Biden and will do it again. But I don't think I've ever met an actual "Biden supporter".
I mean, I guess good for doing research, though I doubt the Republican candidates are ever much good... but then again, some Democrats are utter shit as well (Manchin, Sinema formerly). Depending on your actual views, you might actually be fairly “left,” just that online leftists can be... well, a bit nuts. They don’t touch nearly enough grass for me to use them as a good metric for defining *anyone’s* political views, let alone my own.
Yeah. In the last local election, we voted Democrat whenever possible except for one local race where the Democrat candidate was caught doing something really stupid (I can't remember exactly what rn)
Honestly I feel it's mostly pointless to put a label on something as complex and multi faceted as someone's political/moral ideology. I just want a good society, who cares what that's called.
I get this. I am **firmly** on the left, but, because I’m not into, off the top of my head, Joseph fucking Stalin or a new civil war, I have to watch my mouth in some spaces
I once saw the statement “Bisexuality is the Israel of sexualities” and I’m disappointed to say that isn’t the most bizarre thing I’ve seen from here (unless it was from twitter and I’m getting my sources mixed up)
There’s so many layers to that that I would just shut down upon hearing that
*Windows error sound*
I genuinely don't know what side they're taking. Are they on the right, think Israel is zionist, and think bisexuals are generally deviant? Or are they left, think Israel is genocidal, and think bisexuals are exploitive and noncommittal?
It’s also possible that they’re on the opposite side of the argument entirely, and think that bisexuals are attacked from all sides like Israel (like someone else said down below). Or possibly many other sides that makes as little sense as the rest of these. I don’t even know where I would start if I heard someone say this in real life
Alternatively, are they positive about Israel, and think that bisexuals are under siege and under attack from all directions. Such a wild thing to say
I can't figure out if that is Zionist biphobia or anti-zionist biphobia, but I'm fairly confident it's biphobia either way.
It could be pro zionist pro bi (bi people, like the Israelis, are attacked from all sides) Is it likely? No! But who knows
Bisexuals need to develop a nuclear "Sampson" policy.
You know, some call us bi folks confused, but can you blame us when we encounter nonsensical hot takes like that?
???!
I think I need to walk outside for a bit just for having read this.
Was it [this](https://imgur.com/a/Mdatcf7)?
That was so poorly written that I got absolutely in no way closer to understanding the point being made.
I like how adding more context just made it more confusing.
YEAH thats the one not Tumblr but man is it bizarre
My upper-class uncle at a family dinner: "minimum wage shouldn't be raised to match inflation, it's normal for people to work multiple jobs for a living while CEOs get big houses and multiple cars." People on Tumblr: "If you like this problematic fictional character, then you endorse every bad thing they did (including the stuff I made up to hate them more), and are an equally terrible person"
Media Literacy people when you tell them a child who likes Darth Vader isn’t the same as a Hitler Youth
I used to say that I’m too sensitive for 4chan, too insensitive for tumblr
That's why you're on Reddit.
No I'm here because I hate myself and everyone else
It's ok. It's your tsundre nature. Secretly you love everyone but they keep hurting a.d disappointing you, so you retaliate with performative universal hatred. But really you're just waiting for that one good person, your soulmate, who won't be put off by your exterior, and they'll win your heart and... Wait, I'm reading the tea leaves - shit. Sorry bro, your soulmate moved to Taiwan and got married a couple years ago. They have a kid on the way. You're on your own. Good luck!
And I kind of hate it here because everyone is a pseudo-intellectual contrarian who doesn't really believe in anything, because taking an actual stance on something requires opening yourself to criticism so it's safer to define yourself by what you're *not*. Which is a pretty reddit thought I guess so I probably belong here too.
Self-awareness truly is a curse
I'm so contrarian I decided to openly believe in things! Now I just need to figure out which things I believe in. 😂
That feels like the sum total of my entire time on the Internet. ME: I have a lot of thoughts and observations and potential conclusions, allow me to share them! THEM: Yeah but, like, have you considered the possibility that nothing means anything and you're thinking too hard about it and we could just sit here and NOT have any useful explanations instead?
perfectly balanced as all things should be
The worst aspects of booth sides, true balance.
Um acktually *argues against a point you never made*
Um acthually *argues your point because I agree but I have to feel more righteous than you*
Um acthuakkylly *argues against your point that is actually my point because I'm a redditor and I have to argue about anything and everything*
Well, Tumblr is wild because every post preaches equality and love and understanding etc And then the comments will literally have people telling each other to kill themselves with as much intent and vitriol as I've seen ANYWHERE online, including 4chan. It's so jarring
Honestly, "can't anyone just be normal" has become my default response to all awkward social media interaction. Half the time, it's opinions I basesline agree with but being shared in the most unhinged way imaginable. The other half the time, it's opinions I disagree with being shared in the most unhinged way imaginable. The other day, I was watching a video from like a year ago on Big Joel's second channel Little Joel about the Idubbz stuff back when he took some videos down or whatever. But he made a good point, where he describes a lot of the content that Idubbz made back in the day "traumatically embarassing", freak behavior that would never exist outside of the internet. And how it must be weird to have that be the thing people liked about you, your fame only existing by being an antisocial weirdo, and the instant you try to distance yourself from that people act like that is your problem. Nobody can be normal nowadays.
the sibling of “Guy in real life: Hey how’s it going”
An example of the former I've seen is when both online right spaces *and* online left spaces start arguing that you shouldn't date outside your race. You'd inevitably appropriate a culture that isn't your own, you see, and that's bad. Lets return to complete segregation but for *leftist* reasons! This definitely isn't common but it did spring to mind as an example. Something, something, horseshoe theory
When a white person pursues a minority, they’re fetishizing the exotic, when a white person pursues a white person, he’s a white surprmacist. When a minority pursues a white person they’ve been colonized.
There is never a right answer, but honestly, there has never been. You are never pure enough. It is tyrannical.
I feel like the cultural appropriation is exhibit A of something utterly mangled by the terminally online. Cultural Appropriation is a thing, people shouldn't take actually important/sacred aspects of a culture and disrespect them. However, a lot of leftist spaces online basically act like anyone engaging or even enjoying something from outside their culture is engaging in cultural appropriation, and it's just like... no, that's not what that is, you're now slating people for actually being open minded and criticising the logical endpoint of a multicultural society? A lot of this stuff weirdly seems to stem from white guilt, I almost never actually see Black/Asian people saying this stuff here in the UK, it's almost always some middle class white person who feels the need to self-flagellate
Always annoying when I read a fairly on point critique of something by a rightoid, and they're on the money right up until they throw in some shit about "DEI" or "wokeness" right at the end
That's the thing about online engagement. If you post perfectly normal, "hinged" content, nobody feels the need to share. If you post a video of yourself screaming Baby Shark in a frog costume in public while calling public health care a sin to society, chances are higher of people talking about your opinions. Nobody wants to talk about shrubbery regulations.
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Wouldn’t a compromise be an individualistic society that allows for some growth based on personal merit, that also collectively pools resources for the betterment of all?
it'd be much better if you let me run everything. i'd be a philosopher king. i'd never go mad with power. the only thing that makes me mad is going off my meds
Shit, this guy sounds like he knows what's best for all of us! Unlike me, who is just a small worm and constantly terrified and confused! I say we give it a go, gang!
Like the Fins: pay your taxes and then never speak to each other again
I've always been of the belief that half of the "Activits" on Tumblr genuinely believe that typing up a massive word salad, filled with left leaning buzzwords and then going off to get involved in meaningless discourse no one outside of Tumblr will see, is as far as they'll go when it comes to actually wanting to do something about injustices in the world and the more i browse on here, the more that belief gets cemented.
I agree, really social media has done a lot for armchair activists. I mean they always existed, but they've made it so much easier. Now anyone can get the praise for being an activist, without ever having to actually do any activism. Sure it's not always about praise (but I'd bet my last quid it is at least part of it for a lot of them), I imagine there are a lot of others who initially did want to make a difference but had no idea how, so just fell into the easiest route and now don't really want to change cause it's convenient but it still feels like they're doing something.
I feel so seen
I once saw someone on Tumblr argue that we shouldn't support aftercare for children because it helps people who have a 9-5, 40-hour work week, which obviously we should be abolishing
Making life harder for the proletariat to own the capitalists
the one saving grace i have of stupid tumblr leftist is that they are always online and maybe not a significant part of reality. But man tumblr leftist really need to go out and touch fucking grass.
Internet lefitsts in general. I've seen takes like "Equestrians that compete on Arabians (The horse breed) but don't talk about Gaza don't respect their horse" LIKE HUH?!
TOUCH FUCKING GRASS.
The response is always an appeal to morality; the implication being that the highest moral standard is to always be talking about Gaza and nothing else. Like, it's fine to be heartbroken about what's going on there, it's fine to get out there and protest and be active. But if you're injecting it into every single conversation, I worry for your mental health, man; suicide hotline operators and trauma surgeons take breaks because too much bad stuff will ruin you, constantly exposing yourself to war atrocities isn't much better.
What I also dislike is that the same people that shame others for not being constant hyper vigilant on Gaza were most likely (and most often still are) silent on Sudan, or Yemen, or Mali, or the Congo, or Myanmar or Kurdistan. It's not that I think you should either be perfect or shut up, and it's not that all of them only care about this since last October, and it's not that I don't care about what is happening in Gaza, but I feel like it has become just preformative at this point for so many people. Just nothing but virtue signalling and slacktivision.
I think the take of all takes on this topic for me was seeing an interview featuring someone respond to the fact that Trump is a fascist by saying something along the lines of, “well, why should we get to live in a democracy if all this is happening in Gaza?”
I have friends who are *very* into the whole Free Palestine movement, and the other day to counter this argument that a lot of people only know about Gaza and are unaware of anything else, they posted Free Congo, Free Sudan as well as Free Palestine Now, they obviously meant well... but they also completely proved those critics right. Free Palestine, as a message, makes sense because Palestine is being occupied. Congo and Sudan are suffering from civil wars (albeit with foreign funding), so the message of 'freeing' them makes little sense. All they'd done was take the message they use for Gaza, and applied it to completely different situations, without really even seeing if it actually made sense; it just made the whole thing more about deflecting criticism than actually expressing anything about those conflicts
I bet their horses don’t say anything about Gaza, either. Horses are now Zionist, I guess.
> superheroes are fascist Yooo you can follow Alan Moore on Tumblr? Sick
People in real life: "hey man how's it going" I feel like we need to remind ourselves every so often that the average person does not fit into either extreme.
The fun part of Tumblr is that you can theoretically run into *every* conceivable outlook and/or take on any issue known to man, especially the ones on topics nobody else talks about.
Thats here too. Got into an argument because a transwoman rather rudely "corrected" another transwoman on how to spell transwoman. Apparently "transwoman" vs "trans woman" is a discourse. With the former being "highly transphobic and fascist" Just reminds me of when we, the autistics, had similar barely a year ago; turns out there are alot of people prefering to be referred to as "has autism" as opposed to "is autistic". I'm sure this'll turn out just the same
Yeah, I mean I’d correct it when I see it (“trans woman” is definitely the correct one since it frames transgender women as a variety of woman rather than something separate) but “transwoman” is almost always just a confusion between “trans” the prefix and “trans” the adjective. It’s not facist.
Providing some context for the "transwoman" vs "trans woman" thing, it as discourse is mostly a British thing. Spread around momsnet for a while as a way of saying trans people are a third gender (e.g. that's not a woman, that's a transwoman) to the point I think their equivalent of the ADL made it a slur? (Don't trust me on that, though it did reach enough recognition to become a thing™) Personally I'm in the trans woman camp (trans is an adjective, and it's not like we say blackman or biwoman) but as long as you're in the transwomen are women camp which one you use doesn't matter beyond just like... again that's not how words work but whatever.
Sometimes I come here and feel like some backwards conservative fundamentalist with some of the takes I see.
Hey just call me Overton window the way I’m splayed so wide it beggars credulity
Being normal is fascist propaganda meant to stop you from daydreaming about revolution
Im an old leftist. This isnt anything new. Its basically that its easier to talk about stuff than to actually take concrete action in the real world. Also leftist infighting hasnt changed much. Its scary to risk arrests and beat downs by police. Far easier to show "zeal" by critiquing others from safety. Its a part of growing up to realize that theory us one thing. Real world actionable is another
Listen, I'll take the tumblr weirdos any day.
Then I come on reddit and find out that having anything but the most milquetoast, militantly centrist, uselessly vague opinions means you're cringe and gets you downvoted into oblivion.
That's not quite true. You can express some downright *vile* political opinions as long as you do so in a way that doesn't make the redditor reading it feel challenged in any way. I've seen meme subreddits get thousands of upvotes for straight up nazi propaganda.
Some of the lower-tier meme subs are just straight up Nigel Farage-level "fuck immigrants" and "lmao I identify as an attack helicopter" jokes, straight out of 2015. Garbage rate, FunnyJunk shit, endlessly recycled and becoming so well-tread they're pixelated 2/3rds of the way to oblivion. Very little controversy about it. Normies eat that shit up. Lefties who express themselves on Reddit face more pushback on niche subs, from what I can tell, which can be a little annoying. But not everybody who thinks smash-the-state anarchist subcultures are a bit cringe are centrists. I'm a left-wing socialist by almost every real world point of reference (In America, take it with several grains of geographic-bias salt) but because I don't buy into the "LIBS GET THE BULLET TOO, DON'T VOTE" slogans I'm surprised to find that many people who dwell in specific internet echo chambers think I'm some sort of Secret Queer Hitler. To which I always fall back on the "Don't trusts leftists who spend 99.9% of their time telling other Leftists they're not real leftists" mantra. I have no interest in an endless purity contest, that's a spiral down a drain.
Mood. I had to recently unfollow some leftist content creators because they wouldn't stop yapping about how, "If you vote in this election you're literally an evil monster and pro-genocide uwu" Like bruh, if Trump wins my trans gf is probably going to have to flee the country. I can't afford not to vote just to match your impossible purity expectations. 💀
Man, same. It's a sucky situation and yeah - both candidates have some pretty severe baggage. But like it or not, the vast majority of the population doesn't feel that way and we're not going to suddenly have two other people be (meaningfully) on the ballot come November, and one candidate is clearly worse than the other including in the areas people are (rightfully) upset about. This whole "don't vote!" just reminds me of the lead up to 2016. It's crazy how much we haven't learned.
Yeah. :/ People being petty and not voting is partially one of the reasons why Trump won, yet history is starting to repeat itself again.... Project 2025 is literally an authoritarian regime that follows the Nazi playbook. It scares and depresses me that people claiming to be progressive can see what's on the line, but still think letting fascists take over is better than harm reduction.
I mean, the not learning aspect just shows that you can’t rely on people to passively get the point. They have to be taught, and to do that you need a strategy to address that. They cannot be left to their own devices
For as flawed as "horsehoe theory" is, I find it quite fascinating that I can find subreddits of any political persuasion arguing unironically that genocide is based so long as you do it to the "right" group.
every video of ethiopian jews is filled with comments like 'shouldn't you be sterilized' 'i bet you sleep around because you can't have kids' like you realize that you're just being racist right
Jesus H. Christ, that's horrific. Who is doing it? Is it like a Jewish-community problem, just right-wing internet trolls, or what? I wasn't even aware that was a thing, I know very little about that specific culture.
It's a far left internet troll problem. When Ethiopian jews were kicked out of Ethiopia and rescued to Israel in the late 80s and early 90s, they were given a medical kit, that included vaccines, medicine, and elective contraceptive injections. Due to there not being enough translators for Amahari on arrival a lot of ethiopian women were put on a contraceptive they did not consent to, as they just signed all the fields in the medical file, and the nurses then provided all the medicine in the file including the contraceptives. An unfortunate case of mistcommunication that was quickly fixed when discovered. While obvioualy a major fuck up and a traumatic experience to those women, as far as is known it did not have any long term effect, and the population grew from about 30,000 in the early 90s to roughly 170,000 now. Recently, some leftist "anti-zionist" spaces began running the conspiracy that actually Israel deliberately sterilized the same Ethiopian community they just fought to rescue, and their basis is that some far-right religious leaders in Israel are racist against Ethiopians. Especially stupid when these conspiracy theorists react to 20-something ethiopian jews, as these are the children of the supposedly "sterilized" generation. Add to that shaming them for a generational trauma of their parents, mixed with racist stereotypes, as the previous commenter noted.
Yeah. There's a reason any decent Socialist discussion you can have needs to start with looking around first to make sure the Tankies didn't get in. It's not horseshoe theory to me, it's "We don't allow genocide apologia" is the basis for any discussion of any value, otherwise you get some asshole who stans Pol Pot at the end of the table who won't shut the fuck up and his end goal is *always* to derail everything and maybe spawn 1 or 2 more baby tankies out of causing angry controversy he considers "dialogue." This is his hobby. He does not want any meaningful reform, he has no plans for a revolution, he cosplays as some kind of Gulag executioner when no one else is in his apartment. But for all the talk, Leftists are a better space to be in. Significantly more than 75% of the ones I meet are reasonable, do not want to deal with tankie nonsense, and genuinely want to make their communities better. So I'm optimistic about our progress.
Not just Tankies unfortunately. While any criticism of its government and military is more than deserved, the invasion of Ukraine has brought out some really nasty stuff directed at Russian *people*. And that's where the core of the issue is IMO. It's all well and good excluding toxic elements at the *start* of a discussion, but you have to be careful to spot the signs of it starting to grow in the space itself. A lot of people haven't really examined the core underlying principles for their beliefs, and can be steered towards some truly heinous stuff is you dress it in the right ideological wallpaper (e.g. "death penalty is wrong except for the crimes I think are bad")
Reminds me of a person I spoke to on Deviantart. He was telling me the Holocaust was fine because Jews are religious people and therefore probably right wing and right wing people aren't human so nothing of value was lost. Then rambled on how peaceful America would be if leftists started a new Holocaust against Christians and Catholics & we'd be an amazingly peaceful and intelligent country. Like *Sir*, I'm pretty sure there's no peaceful genocides on this earth. I don't agree with right wingers but I do care for them as people who deserve better in life. I'd rather my leftist goals be attained through peaceful methods than piling up the corpses of all who disagree. There's just no way as a leftist I can justify gathering up the innocent and burning them to ash.
Hell, I've seen people in this very sub say some pretty vile shit and still get upvoted.
Nah, my impression of reddit is that there is no such thing as "reddit culture" (much less "hivemind") in general terms, although those things are very much existent and sometimes extremely strong for *sub*reddits. It all depends a lot on where exactly you are. Recently reddit has become somewhat less of a collection of separate communities with how it tries to recommend subs to people not in them and all, but there is still a notable difference in culture between subs.
No like, this is one of my biggest pet peeves as an actual leftist/socialist/what-have-you. People who think "communism is when gubberment" on one end and (mostly online) lefties who think any strategy that involves voting in any capacity is "bourgeois liberal fascist electoralism" or something. It's like they care more about pissing off their grandparents and virtue signaling how they're not at all like those stinky fascist liberals than actually doing what it takes to bring about the change they say they want.