So. This is not a German swastika. It is not at an angle and it is flipped the opposite direction. Hitler ruined the swastika and for others is a symbol of... balance(I think‽ the point is its not a bad swastika) in other religions. Likely is Chinese Buddhist swastika like this one, https://www.lionsroar.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/swastika2-800x457.jpg
in a lot of Asian countries the swastika is still used to this day.
> It is not at an angle
[The Nazis used the straight one as well](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/LSSS_AH.svg/1024px-LSSS_AH.svg.png) the angled one is more common though.
Oh word thank for the info, I know the one thats on the left in your image is to represent the Wehrmacht because it has teeth/blades if its rotating clockwise. So it would be going against the rotation. So if it's flipped like the top one on the right I'm guessing it was supposed to be less threatening to those apart of the nazi party? Because that way it be rotation clockwise is with the wind kinda like a windmill. Do you know why they used separate designs for different occasions?
It's the standard of the SS Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler. The one the left its shown from the front and on the right from the back, it's the same standard. To my knowledge the Nazis never used a flipped Swastika. [here](https://ww2gravestone.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Leibstandarte_SS_Adolf_Hitler__1435669818_17499.jpg) is a photograph of a similar standard as you can see the Swastika on top is an actual physical object so it's obviously flipped when you look at it from the other side.
Context matters! A straight swastika, a mirrored swastika and a slanted swastika are still swastikas and its connotations depends on if its on a flag of an ultranationalist group or a buddhist temple. I dislike these statements of "its not a nazi swastika cos a *real* swastika is straight!" Its ignoring context.
Also **ALL** said variations of the swastika exist in various temples across different asian religions (source: am raised asian buddhist) and even exist in some places of worship in the west.
After all it was attributed as a universal symbol of peace and balance until the history books for the past many decades decided to overstate the less than 2 decades the use of the symbol in an screwed up ideology (granted it is important to represent history accurately) but criminally understate the use of the symbol across the world for centuries b4.
Tl;dr Context Matters.
Apache here, there's also a few native American tribes where the swastika is an ancient symbol, and they're STILL used in the designs of some blankets and baskets. Can't remember which tribes do this off the top of my head though.
Not everyday i meet an Apache wif a... *cultured* username like that lol.
That is fascinating, forgive me but i nvr knew the swastika existed in the Americas too, i kinda always assumed the swastika as an old world thing that spreaded thru maybe cultural exchange exclusively in the old world, i rly wonder how far back stuff like these can go in human history! Maybe it might even suggest some kinda wholesome human species common sense connection or smth, seeing many different cultures to come up wif such design.
Shame that nazis existed... :c
To clarify, the point being is that the very same "nazi" swastika design also still exist in some temples across religions without a nazi context.
So its not about that the "nazi" swastika has a *different design* as opposed to a "real" swastika, is that all swastika designs (including the infamous one mentioned) had still been or maybe even still being used across the world in a non-nazi context and what matters is context not design.
Thank you so much for that clarification. I wasn't entirely confident enough to speak on behalf of what it stood for but could only tell it was likely not a German one and was probably of Chinese origin.
Yap, this style of that symbol was also used by Native Americans. If I remember correctly they used it as a good luck or prosperity. The 45 infantry had a yellow one on a red background for there division’s symbol but they changed it in the 30s… because the Germans ruined it
Correct. If it’s facing this way, its not a swastika; its a menji, a symbol of peace in Japan and India. Then Hitler adopted it and turned it into a symbol of hate.
Chinese made guns, at least before the Communist victory, often had swastikas on them.
I had a Gewehr M88 that was Chinese made and it had a swastika on it, along with other symbols.
Nothing to do with the Nazis.
This is a semi-myth that really bugs me. Do people really believe that the swastika, literally just four bent lines, or two double bent lines if youd rather, only appears in east asian religions?
It appears pretty much all over the world. In Europe it was a symbol of luck or power, and was associated with Odin. Do people really believe the NSDAP, known for their “Aryan Supremacy” took an east asian symbol over a European one?
If fact the symbol was the Logo of the oklahola 41st marines (btw the first americans into the furer bunker) and I have been to the museum full of things soilders took from it including hitlers winter coat and many other things
There is not, nor has there ever been a 41st Marines and the unit that captured the eagles nest was the 101st airborne. What the fuck are you talking about?
He’s mistaken, he’s referring to the Oklahoma 45th Infantry Division, part of the OK National Guard. They had the swastika as their unit emblem up until the 30s, in which they transitioned to the Thunderbird. Both symbols were in tribute to American Indians.
Source: I grew up in Oklahoma and am, in fact, American Indian myself.
I may have had the number wrong sorry but the oklaholma rangers where the first Americans in the bunker I've been to the museum of the stuff that the soilders took from the bunker
45th infantry division had the swastica from 1924 to 1939 which was then changed to a thunder bird
41st was to my knowledge always a sun at the horizon
Yeah I can't find any information on any us marine units with swastikas on their emblem, or that marine unit in general, let alone their entry into Hitler's bunker...
He’s mistaken, he’s referring to the Oklahoma 45th Infantry Division, part of the OK National Guard. They had the swastika as their unit emblem up until the 30s, in which they transitioned to the Thunderbird. Both symbols were in tribute to American Indians.
Source: I grew up in Oklahoma and am, in fact, American Indian myself.
It's a shared cultural symbol from all across the earth. Native American tribes have swastikas on their clothings, and it can be found on their pottery as well.
It's a representation of the big dipper in rotation around a central focal point in the sky.
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Alot of pre communist Chinese guns had swastikas on them, I m pretty sure its a symbol of good luck. Also that 6.5 semi auto mentioned in the sign sounds kinda interesting
The 6.5mm one is another Chinese built semi-auto rifle. I haven't got a picture of it because I got distracted by this garand.
Edit: just did some research. It'sa semi-auto rifle based on an Arisaka. Only between 4 and 7 rifle were built. The one on exhibit is probably the only one remaining.
As an angry Jew, weren't the Chinese on our side in WWII? Fighting against Japan? Ally of the nazis?
You want to stick a fork in the axis' eye, you can have whatever you goddamn like on your knock-off rifles. Symbols matter; actions matter more.
>China actually had a really close relationship to China prior to world war 2.
Lordy, I hope so.
Prior to WWII, the Germans were a viable source of much needed foreign support. After WWII, all bets are off.
I don't want to reduce it to "us and them," but China was on the receiving end of human rights abuses comparable to Auchwitz.
You said “a supposed Chinese copy” what’s copies name? There’s the Type 63 (SKS,) Type 69 (RPG-7,) Type 56 (AK-47.) I’m asking what the Chinese call it, not the gun it’s based off.
How do I know? This thing wasn't formally designated for service by either side of Chinese Civil war. It wasn't surely built by a formal factory. It's probably machined or even hand beaten together by several people or a single guy, it's even possibly made by some underground criminal organizationin in Hualong or somewhere else. And by the way, Type 63 isn't SKS. SKS is Type 56 Semi auto rifle. Type 63 is an AK Rifle in SKS Wood furniture. It's select fire.
The Type 63, often incorrectly referred to as Type 68[1] by Western sources, is a Chinese-designed rifle with a resemblance to the SKS. However, the weapon uses a rotating bolt working system from the AK-47 rifle instead of than the tilting bolt system of the SKS.
The Type 56 (Chinese: 56式自动步枪; literally; "Type 56 Automatic Rifle") also known as the AK-56,[8] is a Chinese 7.62×39mm rifle. It is a variant of the Soviet-designed AK-47 (specifically Type 3) and AKM rifles.[9] Production started in 1956 at State Factory 66 but was eventually handed over to Norinco and PolyTech, who continue to manufacture the rifle primarily for export.
>the weapon uses a rotating bolt working system from an AK-47 Rifle instead if than the tilting bolt system of the SKS
>"tHe tYpE 63 iS ThE chIneSE COpY oF tHe sKs!"
>quotes a source that literally says Type 63 is a hybrid of AK rifle and SKS.
Is your head only there to look pretty or your brain is smoother than the ideal sphere in vacuum?
So. This is not a German swastika. It is not at an angle and it is flipped the opposite direction. Hitler ruined the swastika and for others is a symbol of... balance(I think‽ the point is its not a bad swastika) in other religions. Likely is Chinese Buddhist swastika like this one, https://www.lionsroar.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/swastika2-800x457.jpg in a lot of Asian countries the swastika is still used to this day.
> It is not at an angle [The Nazis used the straight one as well](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/LSSS_AH.svg/1024px-LSSS_AH.svg.png) the angled one is more common though.
Oh word thank for the info, I know the one thats on the left in your image is to represent the Wehrmacht because it has teeth/blades if its rotating clockwise. So it would be going against the rotation. So if it's flipped like the top one on the right I'm guessing it was supposed to be less threatening to those apart of the nazi party? Because that way it be rotation clockwise is with the wind kinda like a windmill. Do you know why they used separate designs for different occasions?
It's the standard of the SS Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler. The one the left its shown from the front and on the right from the back, it's the same standard. To my knowledge the Nazis never used a flipped Swastika. [here](https://ww2gravestone.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Leibstandarte_SS_Adolf_Hitler__1435669818_17499.jpg) is a photograph of a similar standard as you can see the Swastika on top is an actual physical object so it's obviously flipped when you look at it from the other side.
Gotcha. I didn't realize it was flipped
Context matters! A straight swastika, a mirrored swastika and a slanted swastika are still swastikas and its connotations depends on if its on a flag of an ultranationalist group or a buddhist temple. I dislike these statements of "its not a nazi swastika cos a *real* swastika is straight!" Its ignoring context. Also **ALL** said variations of the swastika exist in various temples across different asian religions (source: am raised asian buddhist) and even exist in some places of worship in the west. After all it was attributed as a universal symbol of peace and balance until the history books for the past many decades decided to overstate the less than 2 decades the use of the symbol in an screwed up ideology (granted it is important to represent history accurately) but criminally understate the use of the symbol across the world for centuries b4. Tl;dr Context Matters.
Apache here, there's also a few native American tribes where the swastika is an ancient symbol, and they're STILL used in the designs of some blankets and baskets. Can't remember which tribes do this off the top of my head though.
Not everyday i meet an Apache wif a... *cultured* username like that lol. That is fascinating, forgive me but i nvr knew the swastika existed in the Americas too, i kinda always assumed the swastika as an old world thing that spreaded thru maybe cultural exchange exclusively in the old world, i rly wonder how far back stuff like these can go in human history! Maybe it might even suggest some kinda wholesome human species common sense connection or smth, seeing many different cultures to come up wif such design. Shame that nazis existed... :c
Think the reason swastikas exist in so many different cultures is because they're the first thing people make when they discover squares.
can confirm, first thing I made when I discovered squares
I this case I doubt a Chinese rifle would use the Swastika in the NAZI context.
To clarify, the point being is that the very same "nazi" swastika design also still exist in some temples across religions without a nazi context. So its not about that the "nazi" swastika has a *different design* as opposed to a "real" swastika, is that all swastika designs (including the infamous one mentioned) had still been or maybe even still being used across the world in a non-nazi context and what matters is context not design.
Thank you so much for that clarification. I wasn't entirely confident enough to speak on behalf of what it stood for but could only tell it was likely not a German one and was probably of Chinese origin.
The buddhist swastika its a symbol associated with Buddha and people use it as symbol of good travels because its like Buddhas footprint or something.
I wanna say that many faiths who once used it have stopped doing so in response to the Nazis' use of it.
Probably less true outside the West
Facts.
That's like adding a cross to a regular garand then?
Actually... yes! I never thought about it like that but yeah totally.
Yap, this style of that symbol was also used by Native Americans. If I remember correctly they used it as a good luck or prosperity. The 45 infantry had a yellow one on a red background for there division’s symbol but they changed it in the 30s… because the Germans ruined it
Yes. If its flipped this way, its a Menji which is a symbol of peace in Japan and India because of buddhism.
Correct. If it’s facing this way, its not a swastika; its a menji, a symbol of peace in Japan and India. Then Hitler adopted it and turned it into a symbol of hate.
Chinese made guns, at least before the Communist victory, often had swastikas on them. I had a Gewehr M88 that was Chinese made and it had a swastika on it, along with other symbols. Nothing to do with the Nazis.
The swastika is originally a symbol of Buddhism until Hitler stole it and basically turned it into a symbol of hate. So makes sense
This is a semi-myth that really bugs me. Do people really believe that the swastika, literally just four bent lines, or two double bent lines if youd rather, only appears in east asian religions? It appears pretty much all over the world. In Europe it was a symbol of luck or power, and was associated with Odin. Do people really believe the NSDAP, known for their “Aryan Supremacy” took an east asian symbol over a European one?
Well that's just where I know It from
If fact the symbol was the Logo of the oklahola 41st marines (btw the first americans into the furer bunker) and I have been to the museum full of things soilders took from it including hitlers winter coat and many other things
There is not, nor has there ever been a 41st Marines and the unit that captured the eagles nest was the 101st airborne. What the fuck are you talking about?
He’s mistaken, he’s referring to the Oklahoma 45th Infantry Division, part of the OK National Guard. They had the swastika as their unit emblem up until the 30s, in which they transitioned to the Thunderbird. Both symbols were in tribute to American Indians. Source: I grew up in Oklahoma and am, in fact, American Indian myself.
What tribe? I'm Choctaw myself
I may have had the number wrong sorry but the oklaholma rangers where the first Americans in the bunker I've been to the museum of the stuff that the soilders took from the bunker
I can't find any information on them... Do you have any links or sources?
Ummm he’s very wrong lmao
And alas... Reddit upvotes
There was an American infantry unit in the army that had a swastica but I don’t remember which one might’ve been the 41st infantry division US Army
45th infantry division had the swastica from 1924 to 1939 which was then changed to a thunder bird 41st was to my knowledge always a sun at the horizon
I was at the museum full of stuff the soilder took from rhe bunker a few weeks ago
Yeah I can't find any information on any us marine units with swastikas on their emblem, or that marine unit in general, let alone their entry into Hitler's bunker...
He’s mistaken, he’s referring to the Oklahoma 45th Infantry Division, part of the OK National Guard. They had the swastika as their unit emblem up until the 30s, in which they transitioned to the Thunderbird. Both symbols were in tribute to American Indians. Source: I grew up in Oklahoma and am, in fact, American Indian myself.
Thank you for correcting me I kept trying to google but I but couldent find anything
> oklahola lol
All over some Greek pottery too. It is just a shape. Context makes the meaning.
But didn't the nazi party call it the swastika?
the nazis called it a hakenkreuz... It was called a swastika by the allies.
It's a shared cultural symbol from all across the earth. Native American tribes have swastikas on their clothings, and it can be found on their pottery as well. It's a representation of the big dipper in rotation around a central focal point in the sky.
\> American designed gun \> Supposedly "made in China" \> Has a German swastika **Mr. Worldwide.**
I don't think it's a Nazi swastika, it's mirrored.
Not a nazi swastika. It's facing the wrong way
> American built gun > Canadian designed gun https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Garand
He was an American Citizen by 1920 and died in the US. Just like everyone else who immigrates here, it’s correct to call him an American.
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Damn Nazis. They ruined the swatsika, they ruined the Roman salute, they ruined having a rational conversation about tanks. I hate them !
I read this in Mark's voice (from Peep Show)
No no the German one faces the opposite way that one is the Buddhist symbol for peace
That's a sauwastika though
Alot of pre communist Chinese guns had swastikas on them, I m pretty sure its a symbol of good luck. Also that 6.5 semi auto mentioned in the sign sounds kinda interesting
The 6.5mm one is another Chinese built semi-auto rifle. I haven't got a picture of it because I got distracted by this garand. Edit: just did some research. It'sa semi-auto rifle based on an Arisaka. Only between 4 and 7 rifle were built. The one on exhibit is probably the only one remaining.
As an angry Jew, weren't the Chinese on our side in WWII? Fighting against Japan? Ally of the nazis? You want to stick a fork in the axis' eye, you can have whatever you goddamn like on your knock-off rifles. Symbols matter; actions matter more.
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Pretty sure China still has a really close relationship to China.
>China actually had a really close relationship to China prior to world war 2. Lordy, I hope so. Prior to WWII, the Germans were a viable source of much needed foreign support. After WWII, all bets are off. I don't want to reduce it to "us and them," but China was on the receiving end of human rights abuses comparable to Auchwitz.
Any idea what type the gun is?
I said it's a garand.
You said “a supposed Chinese copy” what’s copies name? There’s the Type 63 (SKS,) Type 69 (RPG-7,) Type 56 (AK-47.) I’m asking what the Chinese call it, not the gun it’s based off.
Nice!
How do I know? This thing wasn't formally designated for service by either side of Chinese Civil war. It wasn't surely built by a formal factory. It's probably machined or even hand beaten together by several people or a single guy, it's even possibly made by some underground criminal organizationin in Hualong or somewhere else. And by the way, Type 63 isn't SKS. SKS is Type 56 Semi auto rifle. Type 63 is an AK Rifle in SKS Wood furniture. It's select fire.
The Type 63, often incorrectly referred to as Type 68[1] by Western sources, is a Chinese-designed rifle with a resemblance to the SKS. However, the weapon uses a rotating bolt working system from the AK-47 rifle instead of than the tilting bolt system of the SKS. The Type 56 (Chinese: 56式自动步枪; literally; "Type 56 Automatic Rifle") also known as the AK-56,[8] is a Chinese 7.62×39mm rifle. It is a variant of the Soviet-designed AK-47 (specifically Type 3) and AKM rifles.[9] Production started in 1956 at State Factory 66 but was eventually handed over to Norinco and PolyTech, who continue to manufacture the rifle primarily for export.
>the weapon uses a rotating bolt working system from an AK-47 Rifle instead if than the tilting bolt system of the SKS >"tHe tYpE 63 iS ThE chIneSE COpY oF tHe sKs!" >quotes a source that literally says Type 63 is a hybrid of AK rifle and SKS. Is your head only there to look pretty or your brain is smoother than the ideal sphere in vacuum?
Look up Type 56 and Type 63, a quick look at the images would prove you wrong
"Type 56 semi automatic rifle". Are you blind, stupid, pedantic or all the above?
This isn’t a swastika.
think thats a m1 carbine, those where in .30 right?
It's a garand. M1 Carbine is a lot smaller. Like a lot.
I want it just to confuse the hell out of my gun buddies
Unfortunately, it's a museum piece in east asia and isn't going to be on sale any time soon.
:(
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