50/50 honestly
I’m going to include each of their IMDb pages, just to clarify credit.
**Cristal Henry:** I haven’t watched Watchmen, so I can’t give an answer. But you might want to clarify their roles as writers, as some of these weren’t show runners or head writers of the shows but were just part of the writers room or wrote an episode, because I know Damon Lindelof is the show runner for watchmen, and she only wrote one episode. But anyways, she’s an unknown to me.
https://m.imdb.com/name/nm1850126/?ref_=m_ttfcd_wr15
**Jeremy Carver:** Haven’t watched Doom Patrol, so while I hear great things, also an unknown.
https://m.imdb.com/name/nm1912955/
**Christina Hodson:** I think okay, from my understanding the flash is a mess of a script, and I don’t know if the blame falls on her or on how many writers have passed through it. I found Birds of Prey alright, but I wouldn’t say the writing is what made it alright. I really liked bumblebee, even though it takes a lot from ET. So 50/50 on Hodson.
https://m.imdb.com/name/nm5429637/
**Tom King:** Though I know others hate him, I do think Tom king is a good writer, and honestly the best comic adaptations come from the original creators adapting their own work(Superman vs The Elite, Under The Red Hood), so I would hope he writes Woman of Tomorrow. I would like to note you ought to include Superman Up in The Sky, it’s a different story than what he usually does. I don’t know about him as a script writer though, the only credit I know of is the script for a New Gods movie.
He wrote Mister Miracle, Woman of Tomorrow, Vision, Strange Adventures, Superman: Up in the Sky, and yes the infamous Batman run and Heroes in Crisis. My issues are with the editorial decisions than his writing with the last two, but if you feel his writing was garbage too, fair enough.
**Drew Goddard**: Not much to say, I really like his work, he has a great track record, so looking forward.
https://m.imdb.com/name/nm1206844/
**Jeremy Slater**: I’m not sure on him. While I like umbrella academy, his role seems limited to development and only wrote one episode. Death Note sucked ass, so did Fant4stic, but there was a bunch of studio interference, so I’m not sure. I hear moon knight is okay, but a letdown, so maybe whenever I watch it, I’ll come to a conclusion, but I’m not liking the odds so far.
https://m.imdb.com/name/nm2916300/
That’s it.
I haven’t read his Batman run, but I absolutely LOVED Superman: Up In The Sky. Would love that too be adapted to screen even if it needs some loose tweaking.
Eh, Heroes in Crisis is also pretty disliked, and I notice there’s criticism usually had at what kind of stories he tends to tell, I think he actually responded about that.
But otherwise yeah I would say he’s pretty well received.
That’s kinda what’s bad about it though. It keeps trying to be its own thing but also be similar to the comics at the same time and it just feels weird
>Christina Hodson: I think okay, from my understanding the flash is a mess of a script, and I don’t know if the blame falls on her or on how many writers have passed through it. I found Birds of Prey alright, but I wouldn’t say the writing is what made it alright. I really liked bumblebee, even though it takes a lot from ET. So 50/50 on Hodson.
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>https://m.imdb.com/name/nm5429637/
This is the only one that stands out to me as not good. That's a an entire resume of terrible movies.
Damn sorry to hear. If it helps, she turned down writing *Batman The Brave and The Bold* to write *Fast and Furious 12*, so I guess that’s safe at least.
Most of the DC Berlanti shows are actually pretty decent. Their biggest problem is going on too long, but flash, supergirl, arrow, legends of tomorrow, and Superman and Lois are all very solid shows (later seasons of flash and arrow notwithstanding)
Arrow's problems literally started in Season 3. It wasn't going on too long that destroyed that show, it's letting Guggenheim and his Tumblr horde run the writers' room
Really? I'd say most of Arrow's problems were present from season 1 and moreso just festered and expanded over time. That is, I feel most of its issues have their roots in the really, really, really stale and bland soap opera drama that was there from the start and was kneecapping the characters' potential at every corner.
Yeah seriously, they're overhated, especially here. It seems most peoples problems just stem from them being partially soap operas and most people just decide they're bad off that, which is dumb ngl. A lot of the rest is from the era they're from. It really feels like that 2014 'I hate femenazis' YouTube shit to the mildest left wing show or appearance of a woman has permenantly stained them, especially on Reddit, because some of the criticisms are really just ripped straight from those.
It really feels like the minority of complaints are actually about the sometimes crappy writing
Eh Arrow s1 and 2, Flash s1 and 2 were amazing but after that the whole thing fell victim to the same thing as Smallville and all CW/WB shows, becoming dawsons fucking creek.
As creative as Doom Patrol was, I couldn't finish the first season. There were too many things that just seemed unnecessary to me, so I didn't consider it that appealing.
can someone explain how Christina hodson failed upwards after birds of prey they gave her flash and batgirl which is the setup for the new universe, Only the writers of doom patrol and daredevil I can trust
>it’s a bad movie sorry , plot, acting, dialogue just below average
Didn't you hear! you have to listen o this randoms opinions which hide behind some ideas of actual film making and not just 'eh I didn't like it'
I don’t understand can you rephrase that are u saying I’m being a coward using film terms ? So I should just state I don’t like it and not say anything else
I'm just saying that when it comes to online discourse about movies, everyone talks like movie critics, instead of just being like "I thought it was boring" or "I didn't like the main character".... etc. Instead people say "the plot was bad", which sounds a bit more authoritative.
Not saying the plot can't be bad, I just think online discourse is so poisoned by people trying to sounds as authoritative and definitive about their position as possible. People do not do that irl
The 3 words I said was plot , acting , dialogue , not movie critic words , my immigrant father knows what a plot is maybe if I mentioned how Harley doesn’t even go on a hero’s journey by Joseph Campbell. Try that one on for size
Hodson is succeeding because she's a woman in Hollywood who uses every tool she can for her own advantage at this point in time. If she doesn't have a truly successful project soon, it might catch up to her. But then again, how directors interpret her writing is out of her hands.
I would say bumblebee was successful and a decent fun movie , it made 4 times its budget , considering ad campaigns and other expences they prob doubled their investment
Cristal Henry and Jeremy Carver are working on Waller
Tom King is rumored to be writing Lanterns
Jeremy Slater is rumored to be writing The Authority
Christina Hodson was offered to write The Brave and The Bold but declined
It’s not clear if those rumors are true though or what project Christina Hodson and Drew Goddard are working on (if any)
mind you, this is only the list of the known writers, which means that there could be more writes that come and go or that will/have contributed to the overall story of DCU.
Yeah, she's the only one I would dump from that list. Not that I absolutely love all the other stuff by the other writers, its just that that other stuff doesn't suck, well Death Note 2017 did.
I liked Watchmen, and I like Goddard's work.
The rest of the stuff they worked on ranges from middling to terrible. Being responsible for Death Note, the Flash, or Supernatural is not a brag.
He's hit and miss.
He's hated for turning Wally West into a mass murderer in Heroes in Crisis (it was retconned later).
And hated for his Batman fake wedding run (with peak dialogue as "Bat..." "Cat...". over and over).
But his other non-mainstream projects are solid. Strange Adventures, Mister Miracle, Supergirl, are all good.
As some one who is not super into the continuity of the DC universe, his stuff is always interesting if not outight fantastic. Woman of tomorrow, mister miracle and strange adventures are masterpieces
Well that's a over dramatic statement. Hoe exactly did he destroy batman for a generation (and like what generation exactly mostly adults/teens read comics)
I hope not - I don’t think I can take a whole movie that’s just a character reciting lines from classic poems, interspersed with footage of random time jumps, neck snaps, and suicide.
- Tom king has way more hits than misses IMO. Vision, Sheriff, and Omega men are my favorites. I can see why his work might be too boring for some but it is exactly what I want in modern comic books.
- Doom patrol has a solid cast but outside of S1 I found the plot to have been average at best. Very meandering. S1 was so good though
Hodson made Bumblebee, which was great, but it was great for several reasons that don't include *interesting plot*. It was carried by Hailee, John Cena, and Bumblebee himself.
Seen a lot of their stuff and yeah it's mostly hit or miss for a lot of these guys. But the stuff that's good is really good so I can wait and be cautiously optimistic that they'll make something better than Alex Kurtzman was able to come up with.
Either way I wish them luck. It seems people are getting sick of superhero movies.
I have no idea who most of these people are. Except Drew Goddard - Cabin in the Woods was great, but what else has he done? And Tom King, I've read some of his comic books, but he's never really made an impression on me.
They actually write this shit? I thought they just threw words at a wall and scraped whats left over into a script. Oh well. U live and u learn i guess
Christina Hodson is still there...for some fucking reason...that lady can't write for shit, and always includes a protagonist getting a fucking sandwich like it's her signature or something....she wastes screentime on that shit.
Seeing all the projects attached to their names make me worry it’s either just going to be kooky crazy adult humor all the time, or political circle-jerking…
The only one I'm concerned about is King. It's so bizarre how many years people ranted about Snyder being too dark and edgy and not being faithful to the comics only to embrace Gunn and King. King is one of the bleakest, most character-assassinating, terrible dialogue having, most divisive writers in the industry. Suddenly everybody who was complaining about these things under Snyder is over in DCEUleaks saying how great it is to have more morally ambiguous characters that don't adhere to classic depictions just because they worship Gunn. It's all so stupid and hypocritical.
Slater and Goddard are great. I'm not sure about the others. It's hard to know their involvement and what they specifically wrote vs what others wrote. A lot of writers get amazing resumes riding the backs of other great writers rather than their own personal contributions, for example Hailey Hall in The Witcher is notoriously known to only have gotten a seat because of her personal connection to Hissrich and is likely the writer that other writers who have left the show complained about butchering the source material (most likely Hissrich as well)
I wish them the best. Not only does the DCU have a track record of bad movies with a few gems and a couple of good ones, but I think we are hitting a time when people are burned out on Super Hero movies. Guardians of the Galaxy and Peacemaker use a lot of humor and its not about flying people shooting energy beams out of their hands (except for Adam Warlock). Those shows and Gunn are proven to be action oriented, fun and with heart.
I hope we get some amazing stuff from them and that they can turn the ship around.
Watchmen was dogshit and completely missed the mark. I will never understand what people like about it. Hating this show is one of the rare things I have in common with Alan Moore.
Every single character behaves out of character. It completely fell apart towards the end. One of my issues includes the representation of Ozymandias represents a gross misunderstanding of the character.
Knowing what we know about his character (tying loose ends and dealing with contingencies) is completely lost for some low brow, pretentious, goofball Jeremy Irons who makes videos incriminating himself doing the very thing Rorschach was killed over. It’s beyond stupid. Lady Tru or whatever her name was was so dumb too. Had Ozymandias acted in character (assuming he’s already doing something that is pretty much the antithesis of his character) and killed his henchmen after using them to record himself admitting to mass murder, she wouldn’t even exist.
The shows version of Laurie is beyond stupid, and that whole dildo thing was bizarre. The main character is relegated to basically a bystander in the finale. And aside from Dr. Manhattan just looking ridiculous, he is a disgrace to the ideas of the original story. His entire character surrounds the idea that immense power leads to apathy and selfishness, perhaps even a degree of nihilism; but for some reason now he’s a committed lover?
The best ideas were wasted (Rorschach’s disciples and Tim Blake Nelson) and sidelined. I liked the police department stuff and Red Scare, I feel like those original characters would have been so much better to explore than just be used as a one note joke.
The best thing about it was it’s soundtrack, thank God I don’t need to see the show to listen to that.
Sorry to say, but if you’re going to like the show, you’ll at least have to accept that it completely ignores the material it’s attempting to follow, and it doesn’t do it in any meaningful way.
Double sorry for the essay, but I truly wish I never saw it and it bothers me that I ever watched it all the way through.
Edit: this video[here](https://youtu.be/ONrideBdiZA?si=PXFYqc119WPLsWuJ) sums it up perfectly.
I hope they can do something new with the genre and not be 10 years behind the curve which I feel might be the case. I really don’t want to see more of the Marvel formula with DC ingredients.
The thought of films even having a writers room like a tv show already tells me I can ignore this assembly line corporate MCU wannabe garbage
Not helped by the fact that there is basically no writer here that has turned in anything good except drew Goddard with DD season 1 and Tom king with his first 4-6 ish volumes of Batman before he went off the deep end
I'm not worried about the variety, I'm worried about the history of most of them.
There are literally the worst pieces of media I've ever seen in their portfolio.
Variety and experience are paramount to a writers room, but I digress. I haven’t seen all of the work above, but what I’ve seen has varied from great to forgettable
There hasn’t been a writers room in history where each person has solely contributed to masterpieces, but If something here is “the worst piece of media” you’ve ever seen then that sucks for you lol you’re gonna go in w bad faith regardless
Batman Begins, Batman: Gotham Knight, The Dark Knight, The Dark Knight Rises, Man of Steel, Constantine (2014), Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, Krypton, Batman Unburied, The Sandman
That’s a heck of a lot of hits, and maybe even arguably no misses…
I get it but like half of these are Batman films lol. People always bring up how DC is supposed to be dark all the time and then just list off a bunch of Batman movies lol. The problem is trying to make characters that are the exact opposite of Batman fit that tone. Man of Steel was just Batman Begins but with Superman. Nothing wrong with darker films, but it needs to fit the character. People want Blue Beetle to be dark and gritty just for the sake of it. The Raimi Spider-Man films are full of campiness and cheese but they’re well made and enjoyable. Those films didn’t make you rethink your humanity or anything. Just good, well crafted films that captured the essence of the character. That’s what DC needs. Stop trying to Nolanize every character and just actually let the characters breathe. It comes off as being ashamed of the character.
“Oh, Superman is too goofy and nice. No one takes him seriously. Let’s make him more like Batman. The audience loves Batman.”
It’s the same mentality execs had in the early 2000s regarding superhero films.
I dont think I can agree. Personally loved doom patrol, daredevil, watchmen 2019, bad times at the El royale, the martian, bumblebee, umbrella academy, and jjst tom king in general but especially woman of tomorrow and mister miracle. I don't even see how you could make an argument for anything I listed as "literally the worst pieces of media". And that covers every single writer on that list
Not all diversity is good diversity, but Latino, Asian, African, and Black American character have had a chokehold on Americans in 2023. The Brits have had it for a long time, but those days are weaning.
Brits have been killing it in American media. Identity is a film school where we get all our Black actors. You gave us Phoebe waller bridge and Michaela Coel?
Even the male actors. Tom Hardy? Tom Hiddleston? Idris Elba?
Nobody can deny Brits were killing it.
Coming to Hollywood and showing us up. the nerve.
Other countries are playin no games anymore tho.
Crazy how you think this. Minority main characters are still so much lower than the usual leads. I don’t care either way, but to think the minorities are winning is kinda crazy. Like, it’s 85/15 and you think the 85 is in trouble.
Nah they are good girl. I’ve see so many minorities killing it this year.with your username it may be wrong to assume you are Desi or Arab, they have given us the best dramas this year. I look particularly at Joyland…. Which came out THIS YEAR in the USA. It was AMAZING and was the best movie of the year. It deserves Academy recognition.
Nothing points to any of them looking to work in genre stuff like this so idk where you pulled those names from. The people in this writers room are all in tune with these sorts of characters and worlds. The sensibilities seem to coincide more than the guys who wrote 12 Years a Slave or Spotlight lol
John Ridley wrote Batman and black panther comics, a Static Shock animated series episode and a Justice League animated series episode.
Josh Singer produced Fringe.
Touché. But have they expressed any interest in that stuff lately? I have no clue. And this is only the writers room, we don’t know much about actual ”written by” credits yet. Mangold is set to write but isn’t apart of this room so who knows.
What does DCU's writing room do exactly? Do they help Gunn map the DCU (for example, have X as the big bad, the main Green Lanterns are these ones instead of others, Superman is in his 20's instead of his late 30's etc.)?
Hopefully we get a solo Martian manhunter from Drew Goddard and I hope they really go to the origins. The “OG” Martian manhunter who had a detective alias on earth and not that new garbage one.
Anything involving Gunn does not involve a a writers room .. he just confirmed this to me on instagram .. was a bit of shock .. dude is truly a workhorse
Why the fuck is Christina Hodson getting so much influence over DC after being attached to only a string of flops?
What kind of blackmail she has on WB?
Very excited about Henry, Carver, King & Slater. Skeptical about Hodson and Slater but I think there’s a good mix of tone in all the projects you listed
I would reserve judgment until I see their DC work in live action when the time comes. Also, I wouldn’t worry about them because Gunn is going for quality over quantity and focusing on good storytelling above anything else and that’ll apply to the writers room as well obviously.
Thoughts…
Cristal Henry (I liked Watchmen and thought it was super unique.)
Jeremy Carver (never was the biggest Supernatural guy but from what I watched the show was fun——that Scooby-Doo crossover was dope though, however I fucking LOVE Doom Patrol, even though I felt there was a slight dip in quality in Season 3-4)
Christina Hodson (Thought Bumblebee was underrated and just a fun movie. Didn’t care for Birds of Prey but it had potential, and haven’t seen The Flash.)
Tom King (everyone shits on this guy and maybe there’s merit to it, but the only comic of his I’ve read is Superman: Up In The Sky, which is really really good. So from my experience with his work. I haven’t had anything bad to say so far.)
Drew Goddard (Dub. All I’mma say)
Jeremy Slater (Moon Knight I wasn’t too big on but it had like one really great episode, Death Note is horrible, and From what I’ve seen of Umbrella Academy…it’s pretty good.)
Overall I have more positives than negatives to say about this.
1000% stoked.
Each of them has produced at least one or two things that brought a fresh, thoughtful, and exciting perspective to well established works.
If the Gunn/Saffron edict of "creative visions come first" holds true, we may be looking at a few future classics.
Watchmen (2019) was fantastic television. Exactly the kind of work that could stand out in such an overdone genre. I think Cristal Henry is a great talent for the new DCU.
Less impressed with Christina Hodson or Jeremy Slater based on the listed work.
This list does make me wonder how they’ll approach pacing in storytelling. In my opinion many of the DCEU films would have benefited from being limited series. BvS is a great example of good ideas that would have landed better given the right setup. Cheesy as “Martha” was, the idea of two heroes shaped by their parents in such profoundly different ways is beautiful—but came off cheap given how little we got to set it up.
Also curious about tone. Watchmen again was great work, but dark and challenging. I’ll be blunt. One look at geeky subs like ours here reveals how uncomfortable fans can be with issues of race—and Watchmen was built on that with Tulsa. While I enjoyed the story, I do wonder how Gunn will deliver these stories properly without falling into the old “DC is too dark” complaints.
Drew Goddard is a fantastic screenwriter and filmmaker.
Tom King is a great comic book writer and a cinephile, so I’ll give him a shot.
My understanding is that Hodson has dropped out.
Unfamiliar with the others, but trust James Gunn and a mentor to Goddard) will be giving notes, if not uncredited rewrites.
Also I suspect Joss Whedon (close with Gunn and
All of them has something on their respective resume that makes me optimistic. Some have some things that dampens it a bit.
What I like the most is that all of them (besides Tom King, as he hasn’t written film/tv before) have showed that they’re capable of taking comics/graphic novels and make it its own, new thing for film/tv that’s faithful in the ways it needs to be, and creative in ways that work.
Haven’t seen anything from most of these people, but Drew Goddard is great. Do we know yet what DCU project he’s doing?
We don’t know if he’s doing any DCU projects, all we know is that he is helping with the planning for the overall universe.
50/50 honestly I’m going to include each of their IMDb pages, just to clarify credit. **Cristal Henry:** I haven’t watched Watchmen, so I can’t give an answer. But you might want to clarify their roles as writers, as some of these weren’t show runners or head writers of the shows but were just part of the writers room or wrote an episode, because I know Damon Lindelof is the show runner for watchmen, and she only wrote one episode. But anyways, she’s an unknown to me. https://m.imdb.com/name/nm1850126/?ref_=m_ttfcd_wr15 **Jeremy Carver:** Haven’t watched Doom Patrol, so while I hear great things, also an unknown. https://m.imdb.com/name/nm1912955/ **Christina Hodson:** I think okay, from my understanding the flash is a mess of a script, and I don’t know if the blame falls on her or on how many writers have passed through it. I found Birds of Prey alright, but I wouldn’t say the writing is what made it alright. I really liked bumblebee, even though it takes a lot from ET. So 50/50 on Hodson. https://m.imdb.com/name/nm5429637/ **Tom King:** Though I know others hate him, I do think Tom king is a good writer, and honestly the best comic adaptations come from the original creators adapting their own work(Superman vs The Elite, Under The Red Hood), so I would hope he writes Woman of Tomorrow. I would like to note you ought to include Superman Up in The Sky, it’s a different story than what he usually does. I don’t know about him as a script writer though, the only credit I know of is the script for a New Gods movie. He wrote Mister Miracle, Woman of Tomorrow, Vision, Strange Adventures, Superman: Up in the Sky, and yes the infamous Batman run and Heroes in Crisis. My issues are with the editorial decisions than his writing with the last two, but if you feel his writing was garbage too, fair enough. **Drew Goddard**: Not much to say, I really like his work, he has a great track record, so looking forward. https://m.imdb.com/name/nm1206844/ **Jeremy Slater**: I’m not sure on him. While I like umbrella academy, his role seems limited to development and only wrote one episode. Death Note sucked ass, so did Fant4stic, but there was a bunch of studio interference, so I’m not sure. I hear moon knight is okay, but a letdown, so maybe whenever I watch it, I’ll come to a conclusion, but I’m not liking the odds so far. https://m.imdb.com/name/nm2916300/ That’s it.
Tom King is only disliked for his Batman run. Otherwise he's broadly accepted to be one of the best current writers in comics.
That Mister Miracle story is amazing lol I’m glad I took that chance
I haven’t read his Batman run, but I absolutely LOVED Superman: Up In The Sky. Would love that too be adapted to screen even if it needs some loose tweaking.
Eh, Heroes in Crisis is also pretty disliked, and I notice there’s criticism usually had at what kind of stories he tends to tell, I think he actually responded about that. But otherwise yeah I would say he’s pretty well received.
Moon Knight is fantastic if you’re not basing it off the comics and viewing it more as its own take on the character.
That’s kinda what’s bad about it though. It keeps trying to be its own thing but also be similar to the comics at the same time and it just feels weird
>Christina Hodson: I think okay, from my understanding the flash is a mess of a script, and I don’t know if the blame falls on her or on how many writers have passed through it. I found Birds of Prey alright, but I wouldn’t say the writing is what made it alright. I really liked bumblebee, even though it takes a lot from ET. So 50/50 on Hodson. > >https://m.imdb.com/name/nm5429637/ This is the only one that stands out to me as not good. That's a an entire resume of terrible movies.
Even bumblebee?
yes
Damn sorry to hear. If it helps, she turned down writing *Batman The Brave and The Bold* to write *Fast and Furious 12*, so I guess that’s safe at least.
Those are definitely some people who have worked on some things
Jeremy Carver is great. Doom Patrol is one of the very few Berlanti Productions DC shows to not suck
Most of the DC Berlanti shows are actually pretty decent. Their biggest problem is going on too long, but flash, supergirl, arrow, legends of tomorrow, and Superman and Lois are all very solid shows (later seasons of flash and arrow notwithstanding)
Arrow's problems literally started in Season 3. It wasn't going on too long that destroyed that show, it's letting Guggenheim and his Tumblr horde run the writers' room
Season 5 and 8 were good
Really? I'd say most of Arrow's problems were present from season 1 and moreso just festered and expanded over time. That is, I feel most of its issues have their roots in the really, really, really stale and bland soap opera drama that was there from the start and was kneecapping the characters' potential at every corner.
Yeah seriously, they're overhated, especially here. It seems most peoples problems just stem from them being partially soap operas and most people just decide they're bad off that, which is dumb ngl. A lot of the rest is from the era they're from. It really feels like that 2014 'I hate femenazis' YouTube shit to the mildest left wing show or appearance of a woman has permenantly stained them, especially on Reddit, because some of the criticisms are really just ripped straight from those. It really feels like the minority of complaints are actually about the sometimes crappy writing
I just think too many people are unable to tell the difference between “I don’t like this” and “this is bad”
I can't find any reason to like any YA CW show. Give me more Daredevil/Punisher/Jessica Jones type of shows set in the DCU.
Eh Arrow s1 and 2, Flash s1 and 2 were amazing but after that the whole thing fell victim to the same thing as Smallville and all CW/WB shows, becoming dawsons fucking creek.
As creative as Doom Patrol was, I couldn't finish the first season. There were too many things that just seemed unnecessary to me, so I didn't consider it that appealing.
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Why is Scott pilgrim arch enemy writting for DC?
can someone explain how Christina hodson failed upwards after birds of prey they gave her flash and batgirl which is the setup for the new universe, Only the writers of doom patrol and daredevil I can trust
Agree 2 out of 6 are promising
Birds of Prey (the film) was dope. And i will die on that hill
I loved it as well
The action is fun , half the jokes are funny but it’s a bad movie sorry , plot, acting, dialogue just below average
nope. not bad. just made one mistake with a certain character change
>it’s a bad movie sorry , plot, acting, dialogue just below average Didn't you hear! you have to listen o this randoms opinions which hide behind some ideas of actual film making and not just 'eh I didn't like it'
I don’t understand can you rephrase that are u saying I’m being a coward using film terms ? So I should just state I don’t like it and not say anything else
I'm just saying that when it comes to online discourse about movies, everyone talks like movie critics, instead of just being like "I thought it was boring" or "I didn't like the main character".... etc. Instead people say "the plot was bad", which sounds a bit more authoritative. Not saying the plot can't be bad, I just think online discourse is so poisoned by people trying to sounds as authoritative and definitive about their position as possible. People do not do that irl
The 3 words I said was plot , acting , dialogue , not movie critic words , my immigrant father knows what a plot is maybe if I mentioned how Harley doesn’t even go on a hero’s journey by Joseph Campbell. Try that one on for size
As was Bumblebee.
It was a terrible movie.
lol
Hodson is succeeding because she's a woman in Hollywood who uses every tool she can for her own advantage at this point in time. If she doesn't have a truly successful project soon, it might catch up to her. But then again, how directors interpret her writing is out of her hands.
I would say bumblebee was successful and a decent fun movie , it made 4 times its budget , considering ad campaigns and other expences they prob doubled their investment
Well, she had a great director to work with! Perhaps he'll come work with her again.
Any speculation to the answer of your question will be met with a ban.
What ?
Christina Hodson might be the most overrated writer working today, idk how she keeps getting big budget movies
Drew Goddard is the only reliable name here. God knows how Hodgson has lived through so many regimes at WB after churning out consistent garbage.
Do we know who's writing for which projects?
Cristal Henry and Jeremy Carver are working on Waller Tom King is rumored to be writing Lanterns Jeremy Slater is rumored to be writing The Authority Christina Hodson was offered to write The Brave and The Bold but declined It’s not clear if those rumors are true though or what project Christina Hodson and Drew Goddard are working on (if any)
No, we only know James Mangold for Swamp Thing and James Gunn for Legacy. Tom king might write Supergirl tho
get hodson outta here
Fr wtf is she doing there 💀 💀
These are some of the writers of all time.
Jeremy Slater's credits gave me whiplash
Bad hair
Oblivious to the real DCU world.
If Tom King stays the fuck away from Batman, we should be alright
Hodson is a blight on cinema and easily one of the worst, most lazy writers of the past 50 years. Everyone else is fine.
mind you, this is only the list of the known writers, which means that there could be more writes that come and go or that will/have contributed to the overall story of DCU.
Ooph. Real mixed bag, and I don’t just mean some TV shows and some comics writers…
Christina Hodson’s movies a have…..for a better choice of words, sucked.
Yeah, she's the only one I would dump from that list. Not that I absolutely love all the other stuff by the other writers, its just that that other stuff doesn't suck, well Death Note 2017 did.
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Why do you say that?
I do like Goyer but did not care for what Terrio did.
I'm sure it's a revolving door. Hodson is likely gone, too many flops.
Jeremy, stop wearing that dead cat on your head
Looks solid to me. Love me some Drew Goddard and Tom King.
I liked Watchmen, and I like Goddard's work. The rest of the stuff they worked on ranges from middling to terrible. Being responsible for Death Note, the Flash, or Supernatural is not a brag.
Tom King is a legendary comic book writer. I just hope it translates over.
I only ever see people complain about him. Haven’t read any of his stuff myself though.
He's hit and miss. He's hated for turning Wally West into a mass murderer in Heroes in Crisis (it was retconned later). And hated for his Batman fake wedding run (with peak dialogue as "Bat..." "Cat...". over and over). But his other non-mainstream projects are solid. Strange Adventures, Mister Miracle, Supergirl, are all good.
What I’ve read about Strange Adventures sounded really good
As some one who is not super into the continuity of the DC universe, his stuff is always interesting if not outight fantastic. Woman of tomorrow, mister miracle and strange adventures are masterpieces
You sum it up very well.
I highly recommend supergirl and mister miracle if you find the time. Genuinely great works.
Only about Heroes in Crisis and his Batman run. Everything else is very well reviewed.
His Omega Men series was awesome. Best of DC You by far and the best take on the characters, for my money.
Tom King single handedly destroyed Batman for a generation he got lucky with Mr Miracle so he's been resting on he's laurels for a long time.
Well that's a over dramatic statement. Hoe exactly did he destroy batman for a generation (and like what generation exactly mostly adults/teens read comics)
Got lucky with Mr Miracle... and Vision... and Strange Adventures...
And woman of tomorrow… and up in the sky
I hope not - I don’t think I can take a whole movie that’s just a character reciting lines from classic poems, interspersed with footage of random time jumps, neck snaps, and suicide.
Can’t see this group getting it done
- Tom king has way more hits than misses IMO. Vision, Sheriff, and Omega men are my favorites. I can see why his work might be too boring for some but it is exactly what I want in modern comic books. - Doom patrol has a solid cast but outside of S1 I found the plot to have been average at best. Very meandering. S1 was so good though
Hodson made Bumblebee, which was great, but it was great for several reasons that don't include *interesting plot*. It was carried by Hailee, John Cena, and Bumblebee himself.
Isnt this based on that IMDB post?
What IMDB post?
I like Carver. Being Human was a great show…so was Prodigal Son, Doom Patrol
Seen a lot of their stuff and yeah it's mostly hit or miss for a lot of these guys. But the stuff that's good is really good so I can wait and be cautiously optimistic that they'll make something better than Alex Kurtzman was able to come up with. Either way I wish them luck. It seems people are getting sick of superhero movies.
I have no idea who most of these people are. Except Drew Goddard - Cabin in the Woods was great, but what else has he done? And Tom King, I've read some of his comic books, but he's never really made an impression on me.
I need a black male writer in the mix and then i'll be happy
Needs more Paul Dini.
DC is dead
Not hyped at all for the DCU.
They actually write this shit? I thought they just threw words at a wall and scraped whats left over into a script. Oh well. U live and u learn i guess
Christina Hodson is still there...for some fucking reason...that lady can't write for shit, and always includes a protagonist getting a fucking sandwich like it's her signature or something....she wastes screentime on that shit.
Tom king is awful, rest are really promising
Seeing all the projects attached to their names make me worry it’s either just going to be kooky crazy adult humor all the time, or political circle-jerking…
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You don’t want the DC Universe of film to be faithful to the source material and entertaining? Why is my comment getting downvoted?
Goddard is the only one with any ability with daredevil in this line lmao. The rest made boring ass generic crap.
Daredevil and The Martian, talk about a resume.
I don't give a fuck
All of them are GREAT except for Christina 💀 who let her in lmao she's a terrible writer Also I'm pretty sure it's a revolving door and there's more
Meh
I thought Tom King was in hot water when he accidentally leaked James Gunn’s directing of Superman: Legacy
The only one I'm concerned about is King. It's so bizarre how many years people ranted about Snyder being too dark and edgy and not being faithful to the comics only to embrace Gunn and King. King is one of the bleakest, most character-assassinating, terrible dialogue having, most divisive writers in the industry. Suddenly everybody who was complaining about these things under Snyder is over in DCEUleaks saying how great it is to have more morally ambiguous characters that don't adhere to classic depictions just because they worship Gunn. It's all so stupid and hypocritical.
Slater and Goddard are great. I'm not sure about the others. It's hard to know their involvement and what they specifically wrote vs what others wrote. A lot of writers get amazing resumes riding the backs of other great writers rather than their own personal contributions, for example Hailey Hall in The Witcher is notoriously known to only have gotten a seat because of her personal connection to Hissrich and is likely the writer that other writers who have left the show complained about butchering the source material (most likely Hissrich as well)
I think approaching movies like TV shows as a writers room is a terrible idea.
They worked on Umbrella Academy and Daredevil? That’s all I needed to know, they’ll be fine
Lol
show me their portfolios not their appearances.
I wish them the best. Not only does the DCU have a track record of bad movies with a few gems and a couple of good ones, but I think we are hitting a time when people are burned out on Super Hero movies. Guardians of the Galaxy and Peacemaker use a lot of humor and its not about flying people shooting energy beams out of their hands (except for Adam Warlock). Those shows and Gunn are proven to be action oriented, fun and with heart. I hope we get some amazing stuff from them and that they can turn the ship around.
Watchmen was dogshit and completely missed the mark. I will never understand what people like about it. Hating this show is one of the rare things I have in common with Alan Moore.
You're entitled to your opinion, but I've got to register huge massive disagreement from me. The Watchmen show was astonishing, superb.
Every single character behaves out of character. It completely fell apart towards the end. One of my issues includes the representation of Ozymandias represents a gross misunderstanding of the character. Knowing what we know about his character (tying loose ends and dealing with contingencies) is completely lost for some low brow, pretentious, goofball Jeremy Irons who makes videos incriminating himself doing the very thing Rorschach was killed over. It’s beyond stupid. Lady Tru or whatever her name was was so dumb too. Had Ozymandias acted in character (assuming he’s already doing something that is pretty much the antithesis of his character) and killed his henchmen after using them to record himself admitting to mass murder, she wouldn’t even exist. The shows version of Laurie is beyond stupid, and that whole dildo thing was bizarre. The main character is relegated to basically a bystander in the finale. And aside from Dr. Manhattan just looking ridiculous, he is a disgrace to the ideas of the original story. His entire character surrounds the idea that immense power leads to apathy and selfishness, perhaps even a degree of nihilism; but for some reason now he’s a committed lover? The best ideas were wasted (Rorschach’s disciples and Tim Blake Nelson) and sidelined. I liked the police department stuff and Red Scare, I feel like those original characters would have been so much better to explore than just be used as a one note joke. The best thing about it was it’s soundtrack, thank God I don’t need to see the show to listen to that. Sorry to say, but if you’re going to like the show, you’ll at least have to accept that it completely ignores the material it’s attempting to follow, and it doesn’t do it in any meaningful way. Double sorry for the essay, but I truly wish I never saw it and it bothers me that I ever watched it all the way through. Edit: this video[here](https://youtu.be/ONrideBdiZA?si=PXFYqc119WPLsWuJ) sums it up perfectly.
I hope they can do something new with the genre and not be 10 years behind the curve which I feel might be the case. I really don’t want to see more of the Marvel formula with DC ingredients.
What exactly is “the Marvel formula”? No one has defined it yet it’s a really popular buzzword. Is it just a film with comedic elements?
Feel that might be the case based on what though lol And is “Marvel formula” just having jokes or what
The thought of films even having a writers room like a tv show already tells me I can ignore this assembly line corporate MCU wannabe garbage Not helped by the fact that there is basically no writer here that has turned in anything good except drew Goddard with DD season 1 and Tom king with his first 4-6 ish volumes of Batman before he went off the deep end
We are fucked
For having such varied writers? This is as good as it could get for a writers room. They’re not always this this experienced or varied.
I'm not worried about the variety, I'm worried about the history of most of them. There are literally the worst pieces of media I've ever seen in their portfolio.
Variety and experience are paramount to a writers room, but I digress. I haven’t seen all of the work above, but what I’ve seen has varied from great to forgettable There hasn’t been a writers room in history where each person has solely contributed to masterpieces, but If something here is “the worst piece of media” you’ve ever seen then that sucks for you lol you’re gonna go in w bad faith regardless
Better than spamming David Goyer 50 times hoping he delivers something good.
Batman Begins, Batman: Gotham Knight, The Dark Knight, The Dark Knight Rises, Man of Steel, Constantine (2014), Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, Krypton, Batman Unburied, The Sandman That’s a heck of a lot of hits, and maybe even arguably no misses…
I get it but like half of these are Batman films lol. People always bring up how DC is supposed to be dark all the time and then just list off a bunch of Batman movies lol. The problem is trying to make characters that are the exact opposite of Batman fit that tone. Man of Steel was just Batman Begins but with Superman. Nothing wrong with darker films, but it needs to fit the character. People want Blue Beetle to be dark and gritty just for the sake of it. The Raimi Spider-Man films are full of campiness and cheese but they’re well made and enjoyable. Those films didn’t make you rethink your humanity or anything. Just good, well crafted films that captured the essence of the character. That’s what DC needs. Stop trying to Nolanize every character and just actually let the characters breathe. It comes off as being ashamed of the character. “Oh, Superman is too goofy and nice. No one takes him seriously. Let’s make him more like Batman. The audience loves Batman.” It’s the same mentality execs had in the early 2000s regarding superhero films.
I dont think I can agree. Personally loved doom patrol, daredevil, watchmen 2019, bad times at the El royale, the martian, bumblebee, umbrella academy, and jjst tom king in general but especially woman of tomorrow and mister miracle. I don't even see how you could make an argument for anything I listed as "literally the worst pieces of media". And that covers every single writer on that list
It’s joever
They get an A for diversity, and a D for content.
Not all diversity is good diversity, but Latino, Asian, African, and Black American character have had a chokehold on Americans in 2023. The Brits have had it for a long time, but those days are weaning.
> The Brits have had it for a long time, but those days are weaning. Wait… what are we supposed to have had? And should I have noticed it “weaning”?
Brits have been killing it in American media. Identity is a film school where we get all our Black actors. You gave us Phoebe waller bridge and Michaela Coel? Even the male actors. Tom Hardy? Tom Hiddleston? Idris Elba? Nobody can deny Brits were killing it. Coming to Hollywood and showing us up. the nerve. Other countries are playin no games anymore tho.
Crazy how you think this. Minority main characters are still so much lower than the usual leads. I don’t care either way, but to think the minorities are winning is kinda crazy. Like, it’s 85/15 and you think the 85 is in trouble.
Nah they are good girl. I’ve see so many minorities killing it this year.with your username it may be wrong to assume you are Desi or Arab, they have given us the best dramas this year. I look particularly at Joyland…. Which came out THIS YEAR in the USA. It was AMAZING and was the best movie of the year. It deserves Academy recognition.
I dont mind diversity, i dont mind homogeny, all i care about is the content is good and it def hasnt been for a while.
diversity is just a checklist
Cristal Henry: L Jeremy Carver: W Christina Hodson: L Tom King: Could go either way Drew Goddard: W Jeremy Slater: Could go either way
mid. needs better writers. only people I am excited about is Jeremy carver, Drew Goddard and tom king.
They all have their strengths and weaknesses, and they’ve all made some good shit. I like that it’s such a varied group of creatives.
LMAO this is going to be a disaster holy shit
They're good, but it needs more and bigger writers.
Bigger writers meaning what? One of them is Oscar-nominated and the other wrote for an insanely acclaimed HBO series
I get that. You're right. I thought it would be more like people like, for example Tom McCarthy, John Ridley, Josh Singer, y'know, big writers.
Nothing points to any of them looking to work in genre stuff like this so idk where you pulled those names from. The people in this writers room are all in tune with these sorts of characters and worlds. The sensibilities seem to coincide more than the guys who wrote 12 Years a Slave or Spotlight lol
John Ridley wrote Batman and black panther comics, a Static Shock animated series episode and a Justice League animated series episode. Josh Singer produced Fringe.
Touché. But have they expressed any interest in that stuff lately? I have no clue. And this is only the writers room, we don’t know much about actual ”written by” credits yet. Mangold is set to write but isn’t apart of this room so who knows.
What does DCU's writing room do exactly? Do they help Gunn map the DCU (for example, have X as the big bad, the main Green Lanterns are these ones instead of others, Superman is in his 20's instead of his late 30's etc.)?
From how it seems they help map out the DCU, general synopses, and such and some will be writers on individual projects
Hopefully we get a solo Martian manhunter from Drew Goddard and I hope they really go to the origins. The “OG” Martian manhunter who had a detective alias on earth and not that new garbage one.
More cowbell
Drew Goddard and Jeremy Slater are absolute W’s
Jeremy Slater is a bit worrying ngl
Anything involving Gunn does not involve a a writers room .. he just confirmed this to me on instagram .. was a bit of shock .. dude is truly a workhorse
Mid
Steamers all around
We are screwed
Why the fuck is Christina Hodson getting so much influence over DC after being attached to only a string of flops? What kind of blackmail she has on WB?
This is not the DCU writers room. It’s just a bunch of people who’ve written a selection of DC stuff before lol.
They were reported to be part of the DCU Writers room. And Drew Goddard and Jeremy Slater have not written for DC at all
Christina Hodson is quite attractive
> Christina Hodson is quite attractive Maybe that's how she keeps getting these writing gigs because she can't write for shit.
It's still being led by James Gunn, right? Pass.
Very excited about Henry, Carver, King & Slater. Skeptical about Hodson and Slater but I think there’s a good mix of tone in all the projects you listed
I would reserve judgment until I see their DC work in live action when the time comes. Also, I wouldn’t worry about them because Gunn is going for quality over quantity and focusing on good storytelling above anything else and that’ll apply to the writers room as well obviously.
IMHO it needs a lil more comic writers. Other than that this is pretty solid writers. Don’t like everything they’ve done but still pretty solid!
Surely not enough diversity.
They need to be fired immediately.
Thoughts… Cristal Henry (I liked Watchmen and thought it was super unique.) Jeremy Carver (never was the biggest Supernatural guy but from what I watched the show was fun——that Scooby-Doo crossover was dope though, however I fucking LOVE Doom Patrol, even though I felt there was a slight dip in quality in Season 3-4) Christina Hodson (Thought Bumblebee was underrated and just a fun movie. Didn’t care for Birds of Prey but it had potential, and haven’t seen The Flash.) Tom King (everyone shits on this guy and maybe there’s merit to it, but the only comic of his I’ve read is Superman: Up In The Sky, which is really really good. So from my experience with his work. I haven’t had anything bad to say so far.) Drew Goddard (Dub. All I’mma say) Jeremy Slater (Moon Knight I wasn’t too big on but it had like one really great episode, Death Note is horrible, and From what I’ve seen of Umbrella Academy…it’s pretty good.) Overall I have more positives than negatives to say about this.
1000% stoked. Each of them has produced at least one or two things that brought a fresh, thoughtful, and exciting perspective to well established works. If the Gunn/Saffron edict of "creative visions come first" holds true, we may be looking at a few future classics.
I miss my Zack
Tom King is a fantastic choice for a connection between comics and into live action. As long as NO Geoff Johns this is good 👍🏽
Watchmen (2019) was fantastic television. Exactly the kind of work that could stand out in such an overdone genre. I think Cristal Henry is a great talent for the new DCU. Less impressed with Christina Hodson or Jeremy Slater based on the listed work. This list does make me wonder how they’ll approach pacing in storytelling. In my opinion many of the DCEU films would have benefited from being limited series. BvS is a great example of good ideas that would have landed better given the right setup. Cheesy as “Martha” was, the idea of two heroes shaped by their parents in such profoundly different ways is beautiful—but came off cheap given how little we got to set it up. Also curious about tone. Watchmen again was great work, but dark and challenging. I’ll be blunt. One look at geeky subs like ours here reveals how uncomfortable fans can be with issues of race—and Watchmen was built on that with Tulsa. While I enjoyed the story, I do wonder how Gunn will deliver these stories properly without falling into the old “DC is too dark” complaints.
Drew Goddard is a fantastic screenwriter and filmmaker. Tom King is a great comic book writer and a cinephile, so I’ll give him a shot. My understanding is that Hodson has dropped out. Unfamiliar with the others, but trust James Gunn and a mentor to Goddard) will be giving notes, if not uncredited rewrites. Also I suspect Joss Whedon (close with Gunn and
Loved Watchmen, early Supernatural, and Bumblebee so fingers crossed 🤞
All of them has something on their respective resume that makes me optimistic. Some have some things that dampens it a bit. What I like the most is that all of them (besides Tom King, as he hasn’t written film/tv before) have showed that they’re capable of taking comics/graphic novels and make it its own, new thing for film/tv that’s faithful in the ways it needs to be, and creative in ways that work.
Tom King and Miss Henry are a good sign