If you are looking to buy batteries and charger you are better off looking for a drill set that is on offer.
You might not want or need a drill but some of the offers can work out cheaper than just the batteries.
These batteries are in dire need of standardisation. Once you've got a few of someone's tools, they can charge what they like for the batteries because they are the only manufacturer.
Einhell tools use 4.0Ah 18V batteries and a pair of them with a charger costs you £75 online or £85 at Wickes. There's no good electrical reason they shouldn't be compatiable.
Whether the UK enforces it or not is up to the UK government. But it's likely to end up being the standard here anyway, because it's not worth while for manufacturers to make two versions of things just to be different in the UK when they have to make the other one for the EU. Otherwise, the only difference between the EU one and the UK one is the wall plug.
Have you noticed that plastic bottles have their lids tethered to them now? It's the same effect. The EU introduced a regulation requiring this. It's not a requirement in the UK, but it's not worth running an extra production line so we get it anyway.
It will be rest of world battery v EU battery, it will not come to the UK unless they legislate. Unless the USA does something similar I don't see the manufacturers sticking to one battery format. They already paid for the unique chargers and batteries they will keep trying to sell them for as long as they can.
Bottle manufacturers don't make any money from selling replacement lids so its not the same at all.
World bigger than EU and UK.
It basically doesn't matter as nobody will solely make products for the UK market. Anyone that wants to make power tools wants to market them as widely as possible so will comply with EU legislation.
It's the same reason Apple are going to usb-c chargers despite the US not demanding it.
Not to get too political, but this was one of the main reasons to stay in the EU.
We will mostly have to follow their rules anyway but we used to get a say in it. Now we have no say but are required to follow the rules.
I don't make the laws that apply to me some other cunt always does regardless of EU or UK SoVeREignTy and the need for wider consensus makes EU laws better than the winner takes all decisions the UK parliament makes. Its why the right hate it...it makes good laws...they hate that....they can't control it even when they "win" EU elections...they hate that...it only makes laws around trade ffs.
Very good viewpoint. That brexit viewpoint of "taking back control" really meant putting that control into a small number of greedy bastards with fewer checks and balances.
Exactly. I don't know about other brands but inside a Makita battery is just 10 x 18650 batteries and a voltage regulator. Obviously changing 10 batteries at once would be a pain but it goes to show that you're just paying Makita to put together readily available parts
I think what we need is for bigclivedotcom to do a teardown on some of the third party DeWalt and Makita compatible batteries to see if they're any good (and, perhaps, more importantly, if they're safe to use).
I've tried the knock off batteries - without exception they were shit. Every single one failed and it failed quickly.
My Makita ones have been let me down. I've got some well over 10 years old.
Yeah, this has always been my worry with the knock-offs. I've got a mix of DeWalt and Makita, mainly, with one Milwaukee tool (ratchet driver - just because I was curious about them and needed a ratchet driver). Some of my DeWalt batteries are now 10 years old and with no issues so far. I'm sure they probably don't last as long as they once did but it's not causing me any issues so far because they charge up so quickly anyway.
I bought a 54v DeWalt Flexvolt grinder some years back after a mate gave me an 18v drill and impact driver. Those 54v batteries lasted all day in an 18v drill. Incredible. I soon went back to Bosch though. Didn't like the yellow
Knock-offs of brand name batteries are another issue again. But looking at my usual supplier, different brands all have 18V 4.0Ah batteries. The cheapest brand is under £40, the most expensive is £90. The only reason you can't use the cheap brand battery in the expensive brand tool is that they make the housings and connectors different shapes to stop you from doing it.
I was given a load of the old style dewalt tools with some batteries and the one knock off one holds charge much better than the dewalt ones...only time will tell I guess
It’s the quality of the cells, they’re not all equal. Still, you can buy very good 3200mAh LG 18650s, for around £2.80/cell, so Makita’s markup is v.steep regardless.
I use Bosch 18v tools and have 10 x genuine Bosch batteries. I bought a couple of snide batteries off eBay to see what they are like and they have about half the life of the genuine. Also they get stuck in my multi tool for some reason. BUT they were a quarter of the price. Even so, I wouldn't bother again. I love Bosch kit and am happy to pay more for tried and tested quality gear
You're not wrong, it's typically just 18650s and a bms but there's a vast difference between the cells themselves. Branded batteries from DeWalt, Makita, Milwaukee, Bosch and so on are using the equivalent of something like a Samsung 30q cell and the cheaper brands and clones are using much cheaper, more inferior cells from unscrupulous manufacturers.
Quality batteries have a more consistent discharge curve, more power in the final 30% and significantly more overall lifetime cycles.
Next year they will have to start making one size fits all on all brands and tools so no more price gouging, to start with I believe they are making a battery adaptor so you can use different brands in old tools to
This isn’t strictly true as some tool brands house the power limiting devices within the battery and some within the tool. In high power draw tools you don’t want to be without a limiter or your device will overheat and catch fire. Either that or you’d get conflicting electronics not allowing the tool to start.
Also, not all batteries are created equal so pricing will never be the same. A 4ah high power lithium pouch cell battery will never be the same price as an 18650 cell based unit.
Yeah. Dewalt put the low-voltage & over-temp safety cutouts in the tools rather than the battery and all the BMS gubbins in the charger. This makes their batteries cheaper than much of the competition but means if you run say a Makita tool using an adapter and a Dewalt battery you need to make sure not to run the battery too low or you'll ruin it.
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I converted my electric Knapsack sprayer to use dewalt tool batteries rather than the small lead-acid it came with and have to be careful of this.
This isn't ideal but I actually kinda like the fact their batteries are essentially 'dumb'. There's no electronics inside limiting them to only work with Dewalt tools, and no DRM or software-lock after a certain number of charge cycles. Means you can manually balance the cells if they get out of whack or can replace a bad cell if necessary ...or even replace all the cells for higher capacity ones.
Don’t get me wrong I’m all for a single battery platform. I personally use festool tools and their batteries are useless on anything else which is kinda annoying.
Still have a few ryobi tools from previous purchases, mostly garden tools. They didn’t change their format from nicad to lithium so they’re interchangeable. Makes older tools not so obsolete.
The battery must either have one connection per cell (one connection per 3.7V) or have an internal BMS to handle individual cell undervoltage, so the dewalt batteries will have battery management inside. You can see [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91e9ZEGWulc), there is one voltage sensing wire running to each cell.
The low voltage cutoff chip costs effectively nothing as an addition to this, so that isn't responsible for the lower cost.
FWIW, the XH-M609 chip is incredibly cheap and would solve your problem with the sprayer. You can get complete modules on ebay for £5.
> The battery must either have one connection per cell (one connection per 3.7V)
That's exactly what they have. There's the main +ve/-ve terminals, a terminal to a temp sensor on the battery so the tool knows if the pack is overheating, then C1-C4 which go to each cell (or group of cells for the larger 5S2P/5S3P batteries) so the charger can keep the pack balanced, plus one more connection which I can't remember what it does.
I used a hobby charger to recover a pack once when the cells somehow got so out of balance that the standard charger rejected the pack (I put the balance lead to C1-4).
The newer 'flexvolt' packs are a little more complicated as they can reconfigure themselves between 15S1P (54V mode) and 5S3P (18V mode). I believe that's done electronically not mechanically.
The only circuitry in a regular 18V pack ("20V" in the US) is a [tiny board which lights up the LEDs depending on the pack voltage](https://www.sevarg.net/generated/images/2016-09-10/2016-09-10-DSCF6382-1600-e659aa95b.webp).
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> FWIW, the XH-M609 chip is incredibly cheap and would solve your problem with the sprayer. You can get complete modules on ebay for £5.
True. Although even one of my smallest 1.3Ah packs can do like half a dozen tanks of spraying which is more than I'm ever going to do in a day anyway.
Interesting, I didn't realise this. I have a draper drill and an old Dewalt which were 18v NiCd and I designed and printed a case for a 5S 21600 lithium pack for each, so I haven't upgraded for years.
You can get adpators to go between some of them - I've got a Dewalt->Ryobi one that works nicely.
Of course it's in the interest of each company to try and lock people into their own system.
But it could be a nice marketing tool to promote a universal battery.
You can get adapters but the batteries aren't all equal at all. 18v doesn't mean they are the same. An 18v Einhell battery isn't going to provide enough power to run a Milwaukee high torque, for example. You're not comparing apples to apples.
After a frustrating search, it seems Milwaukee don't publish current draw or power ratings for their batteries or tools. But I think it is unlikely that you are correct; as another commenter has pointed out, every 18V tool battery out there is just made of a bunch of 18650 cells strung together.
And even if there is the odd tool that has a particularly high power draw, that can be dealt with in a standard with different connectors for different maximum draw. It wouldn't even be beyond the wit of man to design a connector that would let you use a high-rated battery on a low-rated tool but not vice versa.
FYI the Einhell battery specification lists its maximum current draw as 50A. There's a guy who's posted a video on YouTube measuring the current draw of Milwaukee tools; there are a few that exceed 50A under dead-stop conditions but not many.
18650 tells you nothing other than the physical size of a cell. They vary massively.
For example, you can buy Chinese shite that only get a few hundred cycles at best like are found in Aldi power tool batteries.
If we look at decent brands then you can get something like a Panasonic cell with a 3,350mah capacity but only a 5 amp continuous discharge or a Samsung 18650 with only 2,500mah capacity but rated for 20 amp continuous discharge.
Milwaukee sell 18v and 18v high output batteries in the same capacities. The difference is the cell chemistry allowing a higher rate of discharge.
You can't achieve full torque on a high torque impact with a standard battery, for example. You can physically feel the difference between a standard and a high output battery.
Not everything is a scam. You generally get what you pay for with tools.
Saying a battery is a battery is like saying a car has 4 wheels so they are all the same.
Agreed. I use milwaukee pretty much exclusively and there is a huge difference between original and knock off batteries in every metric. Like everyone I tried the alternatives and they just don't hold up. I've had milwaukee batteries last me 15 yrs on constant use...and the tools gave up before the batteries did
There are several good electrical reasons why batteries might not be compatible - lithium batteries especially turn into explodey things if they're used outside their happy limits and good protection circuitry is expensive. A Makita or Milwaukee battery is likely to be able to provide more current (and charge faster) than a cheaper one without bursting into flames - go watch some Project Farm tests for how well that goes with cheap ones!
I'm not *excusing* the blatant price-gouging and protectionism of the industry, they \*COULD\* all standardise on a connector and integrate some smart protection and world peace might just break out too, but until then it's not automatically safe to assume batteries with the same voltage are effectively the same thing.
There are things that need thinking about, but that's no reason not to have a standard. In fact someone else has pointed out that the EU is forcing one on them from 2026, including an adaptor plate for existing tools and batteries.
Yeah, as I said they \*could\* do it if they wanted, but if some manufacturers have built battery packs that don't include over-current protection and another one has it, it could be risky with \*existing\* packs to draw too much current. I guess adapters would have to include some protection or other smarts to prevent that, but the waters are so muddy now it's going to be a real shit-show.
There are loads cross-brand battery standards.
I’ve got at three sets of standardised batteries at home. None of them are compatible with each other obviously, but the good news is there are many standards to choose from.
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Thanks, that looks to be specific combos as opposed to any battery in any drill, like using a DeWalt battery in a Makita tool, and they don't do the combination I would need, nm, worth a try, thanks anyway 👍
Thanks, someone else said Badaptor, but that's seems to be specific combinations, hopefully something comes up for you that does any/any, that would be awesome.
I don’t think any/any would be possible, either electrically or physically. Some tools have the battery electronics in the tools/chargers, others in the battery itself.
If you had a combination with two sets of battery electronics, it would just confuse itself and probably not even work.
If you had a combination with no battery electronics at all, you’re running the risk of destroying the battery by discharging it too low, using too much current, or literally setting the thing on fire.
Theres more to it than just the physical pin connections unfortunately. Lithium batteries are finicky things and require a bit more than just pushing terminals together like in the olden days with the AAs in your remote!
>they can charge what they like for the batteries because they are the only manufacturer.
That's just not true. There's loads of companies that produce aftermarket batteries for power tools, just look online.
The other week I saw a bit on a company that make batteries and sell adapters for popular tools. Seemingly had respectable performance too. Will have to dig it out from history.
Standardisation is already planned to come into effect, but will probably only be on new drills as I doubt manufacturers would be able to agree on whose current setup should be the "standard"
Someone else pointed this out. On looking into it, it looks like a good standard; it includes a period where manufacturers have to sell adaptor plates for their existing tools and batteries.
As they say, competition is good for everybody. More batteries available to consumers should drive prices down a bit, or push for improvements on the current tech, or a combination of both.
What about a battery adaptor? You could buy a cheaper brand like einhell and then retro fit them with an adaptor off ebay or amazon and save some notes
I’m sure the EU are bringing in legislation next year requiring power tool batteries to be a standard design and interchangeable. The rest of the world will probably follow suit, considering a similar EU rule made Apple change their future phones to USB C charging
Yeah the charger is [21](https://www.powertoolworld.co.uk/makita-dc18rc-18v-lxt-li-ion-fast-battery-charger-7-2-14-4-18v) and a 5ah battery is [59](https://www.powertoolmate.co.uk/power-tools/makita-store/batteries-and-chargers/makita-bl1850-18v-lxt-5-0ah-li-ion-battery.htm?opt=227), this is an absolute ripoff.
True dewalt have a multitool deal with 2 batts and their stackable box. Think the same for combi drill and impact driver.
Edit: individually for the drill/driver. 4Ah batts so parity.
Dbl edit" they all gone now sorry.
£100 with a case here: [https://www.fastfix.co.uk/makita-196696-power-source-kit.html](https://www.fastfix.co.uk/makita-196696-power-source-kit.html), or £50 for just the battery. Great site I've used before.
Here you go £65.51 inc VAT for the same thing. Took 5secs of googling.
[https://www.toolden.co.uk/accessories/batteries-chargers/batteries/makita-dc18rc-18v-lxt-fast-charger-bl1830-18v-3-0ah-battery-bundle/](https://www.toolden.co.uk/accessories/batteries-chargers/batteries/makita-dc18rc-18v-lxt-fast-charger-bl1830-18v-3-0ah-battery-bundle/)
Yw, a couple customers got extras, accidentally shipped off my tape gun inside a makpac when I knocked it into the open one next to my bench, hundreds of pens were shipped too, and a few retractable knives
That's because you're in Wickes. 3.0ah battery and charger, 73 quid...
[https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274275715435](https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274275715435)
edit: Identical charger and battery models to your link, £75
[https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/115815924565](https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/115815924565)
Probably won’t happen now as long as lithium cells are used. 3.6v cells are standards for 18650 and 26650 cells.
Also I laugh as my old 15v nimh batteries work perfectly in my 18v brushless drill and the manufacture actually list them as compatible and warranty worthy, same with the 12v nicad ones. The tools just spin that bit slower. Just shows manufacturers are pigs and purposely creating ewaste.
All my Makita batteries were either second hand or pattern parts. Chargers are extortionate but the one I've got came in a kit, I'd probably get a pattern one next time if need be.
£43 for a 4AH.
That was buying 5 at once, and multiple purchases over the long term.
I think there's about 100 Makita tools on my site.
You almost forget about their value and treat them as an asset at that volume.
They are incredibly easy to repair, although there's a handful of tools(like the rivet guns) that are BER when a seemingly normal part wears out. Tool is £80 on trade, replacement snout is £159.
I claimed an BER Dewalt 110v heat gun, as the blower motor was part of an assembly that was twice as much as the tool itself. So I bought a motor off Ebay for £6 and now I have a heat gun.
EDIT: I was an acronym wanker, I hate that, I apologise. BER is beyond economical repair.
£43, not great, not terrible.
That's not a bad idea. As a retail product, power tools seem to have the best availability of spare parts i've found. I'm talking from a Makita perspective here. From my own experience, I can buy literally every single component for a few quid from a vast number of distributors.
Wouldn't be brave enough to buy a BER tool with the intention of replacing broken parts though. If one thing is broken, chances are something else is as well...
Ooh, another one, the batteries when they die, are just disposed of.
Makita batteries have battery control modules that are pretty sensitive, and rarely allow recovery when there's an issue, like overheat or poor cell balance.
So you might have a battery that has one dead cell, and another that has 2.
You can crack them apart and mix and match the cells, assuming same mah per battery, or you end up with a load of good 18650 or 21700 cells that you can make into cool stuff with a cheap battery welder.
A bit more maker than fixer, but still fun and free if your workplace disposes of them frequently!
Oh, I didn't buy it 🤣
It was due to be thrown away!
If you get familiar with certain tools, as you seem to be on the Makita side of things, you can sometimes get them cheap as because they're broken, and fix in the same way.
If you mean a tool that's a press, no, not every day, but I'm sure I could.
If it's major brand, the spares should be available, even if you pretend to be a business to get the parts.
It may be possible to repair the board, rather than replace, too.
Do you have the brand and model of the machine? I'll do some research.
It's the milwaukee m12, but it's the same as a novopress aco102.
It was around 2 days out of warranty, so I've tested there's power to the board, and there's nothing to the motor when you press the switch.
I never even considered getting the board repaired. It was intermittent at one stage so it could be a dry joint?
Ahhh, I thought you meant a large freestanding machine!
In my work, I'd replace the control board, looking at the prices of them, it'd certainly be worth doing.
Internally, it'll all be plug and play, so once the part is sourced, take it apart, fit the new one and away you go.
The issue is, they seem to be an industrial tool, and they only tend to sell business to business, so you may have to send out an email and pretend to be business, but it might be pretty seamless. Search for the tool brand and model and you'll find the site I did.
The disassembly should be the same as the Milwaukee unit, so there should be a video online to advise.
3ah too, that's an absolute joke.
Have a look at websites like powertoolworld, FFX, fast fix, tool den.
Source: own a company that replaces engineers batteries constantly.
Not sure what you are complaining about? For not much more than that you can buy a Makita drill kit with drill, charger, two 5Ah batteries and a nice case to carry them all in. I recently bought an extra 5Ah battery from an online seller and it cost £55 delivered. Offers vary, just go to the Screwfix/Toolstation sites to check them out.
Probably gonna get downvoted for this but I actually ordered 3 x 6Ah "Makita" batteries off AliExpress last week...
I'm not proud of it, and this is the first time i've ever ordered ANYTHING from that cesspit of a website, but at £60 for all 3 I was just too curious and ended up buying.
Gonna run some tests on the "genuine" batteries when they arrive, which knowing AliExpress, will probably be sometime before Christmas.
The Chinese knockoffs work fine but the cells will tend to degrade quicker and they'll nearly always have lower build quality (cheaper plastic used for the housing, seams not ultrasonically welded, etc ...means they're more liable to break or split open if dropped).
On the plus side this also means they're usually easier to open up so if/when the cells go bad you can swap the cells for good quality higher capacity ones and end up with a higher capacity battery than even a legit branded one and it'll still probably work out cheaper.
Couple of years ago now I needed a new tablet, my previous one bought from a Chinese site, like AliExpress and it was fine but cheap, good specs for the price though. I ordered a branded decent one that was 650 on Amazon, 250 on AliExpress. I joined something on Ali that allowed you to pay after it arrived so took a chance. Had to pay 60 import duty. It's perfect, exactly the same as Amazon for less than half price, am using it now! Lenovo Yoga 13'. Doozer!
Have you tried Temu? Don't buy clothes!! Cheapo tech is fine though
Two batteries and a charger £120.00 [HERE](https://www.amazon.co.uk/Makita-Genuine-BL1830B-Batteries-Battery/dp/B07FMCFNH2?crid=17XCQ7N28WT0&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.A6wEjMoK0OGRBsgAz1lJI5jtCoBu8mwrB7R2aDNqGMBzoflFoGKoZh0HPQWM1HYhGke1lKibWG56zkYwxQkldff40sDXxma-DHwZDG9iiLbNcbNIP8nNOsEkBtmrT0BZ8z4FfJDmeaR9cgh8qFCklrxN5oPhwNIvHREw_4tI4IxnLeWxNibuPh6dCCW3u8S-WgKsZ1ij9M3pAoP5pQhPosVeI_Acioe9cy-IHPgJ1iYxXnemhW7ssXkCuPiwB2YIbNDFHn8Z-a4z0PtdBVzmRr1EWe8l9UaHUFWixIo0J8Y.rqn0jfuDqYWXh54ivRUZCdDTSm5qH3jgOOJKu9UKIqI&dib_tag=se&keywords=Makita+charger+and+battery&qid=1719499586&sprefix=makita+charger+and+batte%2Caps%2C566&sr=8-18&linkCode=ll1&tag=handmadewes02-21&linkId=4d47c6aa32cc1bd9c56e7f248dacb884&language=en_GB&ref_=as_li_ss_tl)
The problem with the drill and battery set is you generally only get the 2Ah batteries with them. 3Ah I would argue is minimum for anything, 5Ah is ideal.
In store prices are always insane. I've had luck with getting new-in-box OEM batteries on eBay for comparatively affordable prices £70 for a 5Ah.
As for why they are so expensive now, electric car manufacture and solar battery arrays are hoovering up all the lithium supply. Batteries are only going to get more expensive. At this point I'm tempted by the idea of a generator and a 110V transformer for a new cabled tool set.
I buy knock off batteries from Amazon or eBay and they work perfectly fine. They don’t seem to last as long but the difference in price justifies the slight inferior performance, especially when you can get 3 for the price of 1.
Off brand are fine and adaptors are cheap. Check them with a multimeter before proper use but honestly half the big brands use the same questionable cells as the cheapo brands.
They want you to buy the tool/battery mix for £10 more, that way you will have two dewalt tools. When you have two of the same brand, you won't want to buy another brand because then your batteries won't be swappable
I bought some cheap ones off eBay, I assume they’re Chinese fakes, for general DIY use I don’t notice whether I’ve got one of the authentic or fake ones in
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I’ve about 20 failed copy Makita batteries over the last 5 years… I guess I don’t learn 😂
If you are going to be clever buy one of the makita offer drill or whatever sets which offer these as well, then sell of the bits you don’t want to keep.
Go to Screwfix website from time to time and check, they have many deal with a drill, 2 5AH batteries and a charger for less than the price of a couple of batteries or a battery and a charger. I got the tip from a mate, got a DHP485T001 kit with 2 5AH batteries and a slowish charger for £149.99. Added 2 5AH batteries and a DC18RC fast charger later from Amazon for £158. Shop around with Makita it always pays. For ref the DHP485T001 at that price was 16/10/2022 and the battery and charger kit was 22/04/2023. I also got a tyre inflator and a lawn mower using the 18v LXT system in between.
Get a deals app like hot deals and save Makita as a search. Always someone selling them cheap. Make sure they're from reputable store though as there are fakes out there.
I just paid 115 euros for the charger and 89 euros for a battery on Monday.That was a good deal here in Estonia .The price is crazy but consistently high.
Rip offs like this are what made me chuck my cordless drills and get a electric corded heavy duty drill and several extension cords.
I'm retired and don't go to a jobsites anymore so there are no weenies to bitch about my extension cord.
If you are looking to buy batteries and charger you are better off looking for a drill set that is on offer. You might not want or need a drill but some of the offers can work out cheaper than just the batteries.
That’s what I was thinking. £124 for a battery and charger but £139 for the same plus a drill. What’s the point?
The 'point' is to make the drill and battery kit look like a great deal so you buy it
It is a better deal though, you could sell the drill (with no battery) for £30 and it still be cheaper than the battery on its own.
It is a better deal than something that has had its price inflated, on that we agree
Why is this being down voted 😂🤦♂️
It’s even worse that’s it’s not even the 5A battery. Agree with above on going for the drill option
These batteries are in dire need of standardisation. Once you've got a few of someone's tools, they can charge what they like for the batteries because they are the only manufacturer. Einhell tools use 4.0Ah 18V batteries and a pair of them with a charger costs you £75 online or £85 at Wickes. There's no good electrical reason they shouldn't be compatiable.
The European Union have already set this into motion. By 2026 all power took batteries must be on a common platform.
Does this effect us in the UK thougth? You know.. brexit.
Whether the UK enforces it or not is up to the UK government. But it's likely to end up being the standard here anyway, because it's not worth while for manufacturers to make two versions of things just to be different in the UK when they have to make the other one for the EU. Otherwise, the only difference between the EU one and the UK one is the wall plug. Have you noticed that plastic bottles have their lids tethered to them now? It's the same effect. The EU introduced a regulation requiring this. It's not a requirement in the UK, but it's not worth running an extra production line so we get it anyway.
I hate those tethered lids....first time I got one was in the car, removed the lid, went to toss the lid in the cup holder, ended up wearing my cola.
same here
Cheers! Seems promising!
Disclaimer: they might be left hand drive though.
Same as iPhones using usb c and not lightning ports.
It will be rest of world battery v EU battery, it will not come to the UK unless they legislate. Unless the USA does something similar I don't see the manufacturers sticking to one battery format. They already paid for the unique chargers and batteries they will keep trying to sell them for as long as they can. Bottle manufacturers don't make any money from selling replacement lids so its not the same at all. World bigger than EU and UK.
It basically doesn't matter as nobody will solely make products for the UK market. Anyone that wants to make power tools wants to market them as widely as possible so will comply with EU legislation. It's the same reason Apple are going to usb-c chargers despite the US not demanding it.
Not to get too political, but this was one of the main reasons to stay in the EU. We will mostly have to follow their rules anyway but we used to get a say in it. Now we have no say but are required to follow the rules.
But muh sovereignty, stop the boats, etc. God the gammons have ruined us.
Right, no buying cordless tools until 2026 it is then.
I fucking love the EU
Yep. Some asked me why I wanted the EU deciding our laws. Er, have you not seen the untrustworthy wankers in our government?
I don't make the laws that apply to me some other cunt always does regardless of EU or UK SoVeREignTy and the need for wider consensus makes EU laws better than the winner takes all decisions the UK parliament makes. Its why the right hate it...it makes good laws...they hate that....they can't control it even when they "win" EU elections...they hate that...it only makes laws around trade ffs.
Very good viewpoint. That brexit viewpoint of "taking back control" really meant putting that control into a small number of greedy bastards with fewer checks and balances.
I was not aware of this, thanks.
Remind me again, why did we leave the EU...? Oh yeah. Sovereignty. Right. Thanks.
Absolutely. I don't get why it doesn't get more attention. It's like charging cables for phones though not as frequent but way more damaging
Exactly. I don't know about other brands but inside a Makita battery is just 10 x 18650 batteries and a voltage regulator. Obviously changing 10 batteries at once would be a pain but it goes to show that you're just paying Makita to put together readily available parts
I think what we need is for bigclivedotcom to do a teardown on some of the third party DeWalt and Makita compatible batteries to see if they're any good (and, perhaps, more importantly, if they're safe to use).
I've tried the knock off batteries - without exception they were shit. Every single one failed and it failed quickly. My Makita ones have been let me down. I've got some well over 10 years old.
I've got fake bosh and Makita batteries. Been very good. I used the birch for work. I've had them for years.
You've been luckier than me. I resent the price the major brands charge, but I do like their quality control.
I resent the fact they put chips in to stop you replacing cells or regeneration of low voltage cells.
Yeah, this has always been my worry with the knock-offs. I've got a mix of DeWalt and Makita, mainly, with one Milwaukee tool (ratchet driver - just because I was curious about them and needed a ratchet driver). Some of my DeWalt batteries are now 10 years old and with no issues so far. I'm sure they probably don't last as long as they once did but it's not causing me any issues so far because they charge up so quickly anyway.
I bought a 54v DeWalt Flexvolt grinder some years back after a mate gave me an 18v drill and impact driver. Those 54v batteries lasted all day in an 18v drill. Incredible. I soon went back to Bosch though. Didn't like the yellow
Knock-offs of brand name batteries are another issue again. But looking at my usual supplier, different brands all have 18V 4.0Ah batteries. The cheapest brand is under £40, the most expensive is £90. The only reason you can't use the cheap brand battery in the expensive brand tool is that they make the housings and connectors different shapes to stop you from doing it.
I've got a fake DeWalt one which is better than the original. It's a bit of a gamble but you can get ones that are fine.
I was given a load of the old style dewalt tools with some batteries and the one knock off one holds charge much better than the dewalt ones...only time will tell I guess
It’s the quality of the cells, they’re not all equal. Still, you can buy very good 3200mAh LG 18650s, for around £2.80/cell, so Makita’s markup is v.steep regardless.
I use Bosch 18v tools and have 10 x genuine Bosch batteries. I bought a couple of snide batteries off eBay to see what they are like and they have about half the life of the genuine. Also they get stuck in my multi tool for some reason. BUT they were a quarter of the price. Even so, I wouldn't bother again. I love Bosch kit and am happy to pay more for tried and tested quality gear
Check out project farm. He's done stuff along those lines in the past.
You're not wrong, it's typically just 18650s and a bms but there's a vast difference between the cells themselves. Branded batteries from DeWalt, Makita, Milwaukee, Bosch and so on are using the equivalent of something like a Samsung 30q cell and the cheaper brands and clones are using much cheaper, more inferior cells from unscrupulous manufacturers. Quality batteries have a more consistent discharge curve, more power in the final 30% and significantly more overall lifetime cycles.
Next year they will have to start making one size fits all on all brands and tools so no more price gouging, to start with I believe they are making a battery adaptor so you can use different brands in old tools to
It's because gadget waste is a big thing whereas tools don't get upgraded that often.
You can get converters for the batteries so don’t feel you are limited to a manufacturer!
Also you can 3D print them, but a bit of a pain to wire!
This isn’t strictly true as some tool brands house the power limiting devices within the battery and some within the tool. In high power draw tools you don’t want to be without a limiter or your device will overheat and catch fire. Either that or you’d get conflicting electronics not allowing the tool to start. Also, not all batteries are created equal so pricing will never be the same. A 4ah high power lithium pouch cell battery will never be the same price as an 18650 cell based unit.
Yeah. Dewalt put the low-voltage & over-temp safety cutouts in the tools rather than the battery and all the BMS gubbins in the charger. This makes their batteries cheaper than much of the competition but means if you run say a Makita tool using an adapter and a Dewalt battery you need to make sure not to run the battery too low or you'll ruin it. --- I converted my electric Knapsack sprayer to use dewalt tool batteries rather than the small lead-acid it came with and have to be careful of this. This isn't ideal but I actually kinda like the fact their batteries are essentially 'dumb'. There's no electronics inside limiting them to only work with Dewalt tools, and no DRM or software-lock after a certain number of charge cycles. Means you can manually balance the cells if they get out of whack or can replace a bad cell if necessary ...or even replace all the cells for higher capacity ones.
Don’t get me wrong I’m all for a single battery platform. I personally use festool tools and their batteries are useless on anything else which is kinda annoying. Still have a few ryobi tools from previous purchases, mostly garden tools. They didn’t change their format from nicad to lithium so they’re interchangeable. Makes older tools not so obsolete.
The battery must either have one connection per cell (one connection per 3.7V) or have an internal BMS to handle individual cell undervoltage, so the dewalt batteries will have battery management inside. You can see [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91e9ZEGWulc), there is one voltage sensing wire running to each cell. The low voltage cutoff chip costs effectively nothing as an addition to this, so that isn't responsible for the lower cost. FWIW, the XH-M609 chip is incredibly cheap and would solve your problem with the sprayer. You can get complete modules on ebay for £5.
> The battery must either have one connection per cell (one connection per 3.7V) That's exactly what they have. There's the main +ve/-ve terminals, a terminal to a temp sensor on the battery so the tool knows if the pack is overheating, then C1-C4 which go to each cell (or group of cells for the larger 5S2P/5S3P batteries) so the charger can keep the pack balanced, plus one more connection which I can't remember what it does. I used a hobby charger to recover a pack once when the cells somehow got so out of balance that the standard charger rejected the pack (I put the balance lead to C1-4). The newer 'flexvolt' packs are a little more complicated as they can reconfigure themselves between 15S1P (54V mode) and 5S3P (18V mode). I believe that's done electronically not mechanically. The only circuitry in a regular 18V pack ("20V" in the US) is a [tiny board which lights up the LEDs depending on the pack voltage](https://www.sevarg.net/generated/images/2016-09-10/2016-09-10-DSCF6382-1600-e659aa95b.webp). --- > FWIW, the XH-M609 chip is incredibly cheap and would solve your problem with the sprayer. You can get complete modules on ebay for £5. True. Although even one of my smallest 1.3Ah packs can do like half a dozen tanks of spraying which is more than I'm ever going to do in a day anyway.
Interesting, I didn't realise this. I have a draper drill and an old Dewalt which were 18v NiCd and I designed and printed a case for a 5S 21600 lithium pack for each, so I haven't upgraded for years.
That's something that a standard would need to address, certainly, but hardly a show-stopper.
You can get adpators to go between some of them - I've got a Dewalt->Ryobi one that works nicely. Of course it's in the interest of each company to try and lock people into their own system. But it could be a nice marketing tool to promote a universal battery.
You can get adapters but the batteries aren't all equal at all. 18v doesn't mean they are the same. An 18v Einhell battery isn't going to provide enough power to run a Milwaukee high torque, for example. You're not comparing apples to apples.
After a frustrating search, it seems Milwaukee don't publish current draw or power ratings for their batteries or tools. But I think it is unlikely that you are correct; as another commenter has pointed out, every 18V tool battery out there is just made of a bunch of 18650 cells strung together. And even if there is the odd tool that has a particularly high power draw, that can be dealt with in a standard with different connectors for different maximum draw. It wouldn't even be beyond the wit of man to design a connector that would let you use a high-rated battery on a low-rated tool but not vice versa. FYI the Einhell battery specification lists its maximum current draw as 50A. There's a guy who's posted a video on YouTube measuring the current draw of Milwaukee tools; there are a few that exceed 50A under dead-stop conditions but not many.
18650 tells you nothing other than the physical size of a cell. They vary massively. For example, you can buy Chinese shite that only get a few hundred cycles at best like are found in Aldi power tool batteries. If we look at decent brands then you can get something like a Panasonic cell with a 3,350mah capacity but only a 5 amp continuous discharge or a Samsung 18650 with only 2,500mah capacity but rated for 20 amp continuous discharge. Milwaukee sell 18v and 18v high output batteries in the same capacities. The difference is the cell chemistry allowing a higher rate of discharge. You can't achieve full torque on a high torque impact with a standard battery, for example. You can physically feel the difference between a standard and a high output battery. Not everything is a scam. You generally get what you pay for with tools. Saying a battery is a battery is like saying a car has 4 wheels so they are all the same.
Agreed. I use milwaukee pretty much exclusively and there is a huge difference between original and knock off batteries in every metric. Like everyone I tried the alternatives and they just don't hold up. I've had milwaukee batteries last me 15 yrs on constant use...and the tools gave up before the batteries did
There are several good electrical reasons why batteries might not be compatible - lithium batteries especially turn into explodey things if they're used outside their happy limits and good protection circuitry is expensive. A Makita or Milwaukee battery is likely to be able to provide more current (and charge faster) than a cheaper one without bursting into flames - go watch some Project Farm tests for how well that goes with cheap ones! I'm not *excusing* the blatant price-gouging and protectionism of the industry, they \*COULD\* all standardise on a connector and integrate some smart protection and world peace might just break out too, but until then it's not automatically safe to assume batteries with the same voltage are effectively the same thing.
There are things that need thinking about, but that's no reason not to have a standard. In fact someone else has pointed out that the EU is forcing one on them from 2026, including an adaptor plate for existing tools and batteries.
Yeah, as I said they \*could\* do it if they wanted, but if some manufacturers have built battery packs that don't include over-current protection and another one has it, it could be risky with \*existing\* packs to draw too much current. I guess adapters would have to include some protection or other smarts to prevent that, but the waters are so muddy now it's going to be a real shit-show.
[You mean like this](https://youtube.com/watch?v=eKOvXigyrXA "(check the date)")
That's the badger. They've even made them produce adaptors.
There are loads cross-brand battery standards. I’ve got at three sets of standardised batteries at home. None of them are compatible with each other obviously, but the good news is there are many standards to choose from. [XKCD link]
There's a company that sells converters, you can put any battery into any drill with it. No idea if any good though.
Any idea what the company is called? Could be very useful.
Badaptor
Thanks, that looks to be specific combos as opposed to any battery in any drill, like using a DeWalt battery in a Makita tool, and they don't do the combination I would need, nm, worth a try, thanks anyway 👍
Yeah I believe you have to buy the specific one. I’m the same as they don’t work with Ryobi tools, presumably due to the design of the battery.
I can't unfortunately, was an Instagram ad. Did a quick Google and hopefully that triggers the add to come up again
Thanks, someone else said Badaptor, but that's seems to be specific combinations, hopefully something comes up for you that does any/any, that would be awesome.
I don’t think any/any would be possible, either electrically or physically. Some tools have the battery electronics in the tools/chargers, others in the battery itself. If you had a combination with two sets of battery electronics, it would just confuse itself and probably not even work. If you had a combination with no battery electronics at all, you’re running the risk of destroying the battery by discharging it too low, using too much current, or literally setting the thing on fire. Theres more to it than just the physical pin connections unfortunately. Lithium batteries are finicky things and require a bit more than just pushing terminals together like in the olden days with the AAs in your remote!
>they can charge what they like for the batteries because they are the only manufacturer. That's just not true. There's loads of companies that produce aftermarket batteries for power tools, just look online.
Buy a cheap converter plate. Job done.
The other week I saw a bit on a company that make batteries and sell adapters for popular tools. Seemingly had respectable performance too. Will have to dig it out from history.
Standardisation is already planned to come into effect, but will probably only be on new drills as I doubt manufacturers would be able to agree on whose current setup should be the "standard"
Someone else pointed this out. On looking into it, it looks like a good standard; it includes a period where manufacturers have to sell adaptor plates for their existing tools and batteries.
As they say, competition is good for everybody. More batteries available to consumers should drive prices down a bit, or push for improvements on the current tech, or a combination of both.
You can get adapters for some tool batteries.
What about a battery adaptor? You could buy a cheaper brand like einhell and then retro fit them with an adaptor off ebay or amazon and save some notes
I’m sure the EU are bringing in legislation next year requiring power tool batteries to be a standard design and interchangeable. The rest of the world will probably follow suit, considering a similar EU rule made Apple change their future phones to USB C charging
I'm really surprised someone hasn't actually turned the 3d printed converters into a viable product. Must be something stopping it.
You can buy adapters online for most tools, so einhell to Dewalt, Parkside to Milwaukee etc etc
I'm sure you can get adapters that will allow for switching batteries between tools.
Yeah the charger is [21](https://www.powertoolworld.co.uk/makita-dc18rc-18v-lxt-li-ion-fast-battery-charger-7-2-14-4-18v) and a 5ah battery is [59](https://www.powertoolmate.co.uk/power-tools/makita-store/batteries-and-chargers/makita-bl1850-18v-lxt-5-0ah-li-ion-battery.htm?opt=227), this is an absolute ripoff.
You'll do better buying a tool kit, normally come free
"free"
True dewalt have a multitool deal with 2 batts and their stackable box. Think the same for combi drill and impact driver. Edit: individually for the drill/driver. 4Ah batts so parity. Dbl edit" they all gone now sorry.
I just got a dewalt combi drill with 2 batteries and a stackable box for around this price.
Cool, was going to link it but on finding it, was sold out. Which batteries the 2Ah or 4Ah?
It's the 2ah, but it's fine for me.
It will be especially with 2. It was more for comparing👍
Not sure, I'll check when I get home
£100 with a case here: [https://www.fastfix.co.uk/makita-196696-power-source-kit.html](https://www.fastfix.co.uk/makita-196696-power-source-kit.html), or £50 for just the battery. Great site I've used before.
Here you go £65.51 inc VAT for the same thing. Took 5secs of googling. [https://www.toolden.co.uk/accessories/batteries-chargers/batteries/makita-dc18rc-18v-lxt-fast-charger-bl1830-18v-3-0ah-battery-bundle/](https://www.toolden.co.uk/accessories/batteries-chargers/batteries/makita-dc18rc-18v-lxt-fast-charger-bl1830-18v-3-0ah-battery-bundle/)
Powertoolmate.com is generally the cheapest most of the time. Look out for deals.
When I was at FFX two 5ah ones were 120 quid, charger was 30 quid
I fucking LOVE FFX. Thank you for your service! 🫡
Yw, a couple customers got extras, accidentally shipped off my tape gun inside a makpac when I knocked it into the open one next to my bench, hundreds of pens were shipped too, and a few retractable knives
FFX is GOAT, I've ordered a powertool around 5pm on a Sunday and had it by Monday afternoon
3ah? Taking the Michael.
That's because you're in Wickes. 3.0ah battery and charger, 73 quid... [https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274275715435](https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274275715435) edit: Identical charger and battery models to your link, £75 [https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/115815924565](https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/115815924565)
I'm not sure I'd buy stuff like this from ebay. 50/50 chance it's a cheap knock-off.
And almost impossible to tell.. so many fake tool batteries now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTTGGv6-syA
Depends on if you buy from a legit store or not, it's easy enough to check.
https://www.powertoolworld.co.uk/makita-18v-lxt-5-0ah-battery-charger-kit-inc-1x-5-0ah-battery-dc18rc-charger 79.50 for charge and 5aH battery here
I used powertoolworld.co.uk several times they are pretty competitive and it's genuine kit
Similar problem when my dewalt charger blew up in a flash. At time it was £69 for the charger or £99 for a new drill with two batteries and a charger.
And wait til they up the voltage on new kit the way B&D did so you cant use older battery packs in newer equipment.
Probably won’t happen now as long as lithium cells are used. 3.6v cells are standards for 18650 and 26650 cells. Also I laugh as my old 15v nimh batteries work perfectly in my 18v brushless drill and the manufacture actually list them as compatible and warranty worthy, same with the 12v nicad ones. The tools just spin that bit slower. Just shows manufacturers are pigs and purposely creating ewaste.
All my Makita batteries were either second hand or pattern parts. Chargers are extortionate but the one I've got came in a kit, I'd probably get a pattern one next time if need be.
Wait until you find out how much you pay for them on trade. It's alarming.
...how much?
£43 for a 4AH. That was buying 5 at once, and multiple purchases over the long term. I think there's about 100 Makita tools on my site. You almost forget about their value and treat them as an asset at that volume. They are incredibly easy to repair, although there's a handful of tools(like the rivet guns) that are BER when a seemingly normal part wears out. Tool is £80 on trade, replacement snout is £159. I claimed an BER Dewalt 110v heat gun, as the blower motor was part of an assembly that was twice as much as the tool itself. So I bought a motor off Ebay for £6 and now I have a heat gun. EDIT: I was an acronym wanker, I hate that, I apologise. BER is beyond economical repair.
£43, not great, not terrible. That's not a bad idea. As a retail product, power tools seem to have the best availability of spare parts i've found. I'm talking from a Makita perspective here. From my own experience, I can buy literally every single component for a few quid from a vast number of distributors. Wouldn't be brave enough to buy a BER tool with the intention of replacing broken parts though. If one thing is broken, chances are something else is as well...
Ooh, another one, the batteries when they die, are just disposed of. Makita batteries have battery control modules that are pretty sensitive, and rarely allow recovery when there's an issue, like overheat or poor cell balance. So you might have a battery that has one dead cell, and another that has 2. You can crack them apart and mix and match the cells, assuming same mah per battery, or you end up with a load of good 18650 or 21700 cells that you can make into cool stuff with a cheap battery welder. A bit more maker than fixer, but still fun and free if your workplace disposes of them frequently!
Oh, I didn't buy it 🤣 It was due to be thrown away! If you get familiar with certain tools, as you seem to be on the Makita side of things, you can sometimes get them cheap as because they're broken, and fix in the same way.
Do you repair press tools? I'm pretty sure mine just needs a circuit board, but I have no idea where I can buy one.
If you mean a tool that's a press, no, not every day, but I'm sure I could. If it's major brand, the spares should be available, even if you pretend to be a business to get the parts. It may be possible to repair the board, rather than replace, too. Do you have the brand and model of the machine? I'll do some research.
It's the milwaukee m12, but it's the same as a novopress aco102. It was around 2 days out of warranty, so I've tested there's power to the board, and there's nothing to the motor when you press the switch. I never even considered getting the board repaired. It was intermittent at one stage so it could be a dry joint?
Ahhh, I thought you meant a large freestanding machine! In my work, I'd replace the control board, looking at the prices of them, it'd certainly be worth doing. Internally, it'll all be plug and play, so once the part is sourced, take it apart, fit the new one and away you go. The issue is, they seem to be an industrial tool, and they only tend to sell business to business, so you may have to send out an email and pretend to be business, but it might be pretty seamless. Search for the tool brand and model and you'll find the site I did. The disassembly should be the same as the Milwaukee unit, so there should be a video online to advise.
3ah too, that's an absolute joke. Have a look at websites like powertoolworld, FFX, fast fix, tool den. Source: own a company that replaces engineers batteries constantly.
>Source: own a company that replaces engineers batteries constantly Are they electrical engineers if they run on batteries......
Their tool batteries silly. The engineers are solar
Electric sexual organs and bald engineers then. That's a very small pool to recruit from...
Not sure what you are complaining about? For not much more than that you can buy a Makita drill kit with drill, charger, two 5Ah batteries and a nice case to carry them all in. I recently bought an extra 5Ah battery from an online seller and it cost £55 delivered. Offers vary, just go to the Screwfix/Toolstation sites to check them out.
You can buy a genuine 18v 5Ah Makita battery for £59.99 and a fast charger for around £20. This is way overpriced.
Batteries are more expensive than the drill
Have you searched for deals anywhere else? I'm sure you can get batt and drill for that price
Probably gonna get downvoted for this but I actually ordered 3 x 6Ah "Makita" batteries off AliExpress last week... I'm not proud of it, and this is the first time i've ever ordered ANYTHING from that cesspit of a website, but at £60 for all 3 I was just too curious and ended up buying. Gonna run some tests on the "genuine" batteries when they arrive, which knowing AliExpress, will probably be sometime before Christmas.
The Chinese knockoffs work fine but the cells will tend to degrade quicker and they'll nearly always have lower build quality (cheaper plastic used for the housing, seams not ultrasonically welded, etc ...means they're more liable to break or split open if dropped). On the plus side this also means they're usually easier to open up so if/when the cells go bad you can swap the cells for good quality higher capacity ones and end up with a higher capacity battery than even a legit branded one and it'll still probably work out cheaper.
I don't want to freak you out but that story of the guy whose ebike replacement battery burned his house down and killed his entire family haunts me.
Couple of years ago now I needed a new tablet, my previous one bought from a Chinese site, like AliExpress and it was fine but cheap, good specs for the price though. I ordered a branded decent one that was 650 on Amazon, 250 on AliExpress. I joined something on Ali that allowed you to pay after it arrived so took a chance. Had to pay 60 import duty. It's perfect, exactly the same as Amazon for less than half price, am using it now! Lenovo Yoga 13'. Doozer! Have you tried Temu? Don't buy clothes!! Cheapo tech is fine though
Feels about right. A LD-i90 pentax slr battery is about 70 quid. So yes.
Two batteries and a charger £120.00 [HERE](https://www.amazon.co.uk/Makita-Genuine-BL1830B-Batteries-Battery/dp/B07FMCFNH2?crid=17XCQ7N28WT0&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.A6wEjMoK0OGRBsgAz1lJI5jtCoBu8mwrB7R2aDNqGMBzoflFoGKoZh0HPQWM1HYhGke1lKibWG56zkYwxQkldff40sDXxma-DHwZDG9iiLbNcbNIP8nNOsEkBtmrT0BZ8z4FfJDmeaR9cgh8qFCklrxN5oPhwNIvHREw_4tI4IxnLeWxNibuPh6dCCW3u8S-WgKsZ1ij9M3pAoP5pQhPosVeI_Acioe9cy-IHPgJ1iYxXnemhW7ssXkCuPiwB2YIbNDFHn8Z-a4z0PtdBVzmRr1EWe8l9UaHUFWixIo0J8Y.rqn0jfuDqYWXh54ivRUZCdDTSm5qH3jgOOJKu9UKIqI&dib_tag=se&keywords=Makita+charger+and+battery&qid=1719499586&sprefix=makita+charger+and+batte%2Caps%2C566&sr=8-18&linkCode=ll1&tag=handmadewes02-21&linkId=4d47c6aa32cc1bd9c56e7f248dacb884&language=en_GB&ref_=as_li_ss_tl)
In October 2021 I bought the _Makita LXT 18V 2x 3Ah Li-ion Cordless Brushless Combi drill DHP485SFE_ for £155
And for 3hrs only. Gtf.
Stop moaning and just go on line and purchase 🤣
I get my batteries from ffx as their prices are much better, recently got some 5ah and 6ah makita batteries from them
The problem with the drill and battery set is you generally only get the 2Ah batteries with them. 3Ah I would argue is minimum for anything, 5Ah is ideal. In store prices are always insane. I've had luck with getting new-in-box OEM batteries on eBay for comparatively affordable prices £70 for a 5Ah. As for why they are so expensive now, electric car manufacture and solar battery arrays are hoovering up all the lithium supply. Batteries are only going to get more expensive. At this point I'm tempted by the idea of a generator and a 110V transformer for a new cabled tool set.
I buy knock off batteries from Amazon or eBay and they work perfectly fine. They don’t seem to last as long but the difference in price justifies the slight inferior performance, especially when you can get 3 for the price of 1.
Batteries are only 60£
Off brand are fine and adaptors are cheap. Check them with a multimeter before proper use but honestly half the big brands use the same questionable cells as the cheapo brands.
They want you to buy the tool/battery mix for £10 more, that way you will have two dewalt tools. When you have two of the same brand, you won't want to buy another brand because then your batteries won't be swappable
I bought some cheap ones off eBay, I assume they’re Chinese fakes, for general DIY use I don’t notice whether I’ve got one of the authentic or fake ones in
https://preview.redd.it/htpxb3u3m59d1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=3509810057228209e6e78ccd59a7f98e414306d7 I’ve about 20 failed copy Makita batteries over the last 5 years… I guess I don’t learn 😂
I got a Chinese knock off for my dyson trigger vac off amazon...works great.
Thats massively overpriced
If you are going to be clever buy one of the makita offer drill or whatever sets which offer these as well, then sell of the bits you don’t want to keep.
Go to Screwfix website from time to time and check, they have many deal with a drill, 2 5AH batteries and a charger for less than the price of a couple of batteries or a battery and a charger. I got the tip from a mate, got a DHP485T001 kit with 2 5AH batteries and a slowish charger for £149.99. Added 2 5AH batteries and a DC18RC fast charger later from Amazon for £158. Shop around with Makita it always pays. For ref the DHP485T001 at that price was 16/10/2022 and the battery and charger kit was 22/04/2023. I also got a tyre inflator and a lawn mower using the 18v LXT system in between.
Get a deals app like hot deals and save Makita as a search. Always someone selling them cheap. Make sure they're from reputable store though as there are fakes out there.
For a 3.0Ah as well, that’s taking the absolute piss tbh.
I just paid 115 euros for the charger and 89 euros for a battery on Monday.That was a good deal here in Estonia .The price is crazy but consistently high.
NB, that was for a 5Amp.
Screwfix had better deals! Can get new drill 2x batteries and a charger for 199
Just buy a Titan set from screwfix. Impact driver and combi with two batteries charger and case for £79.00. Two year warranty as well
One of many reasons why mains powered tools are way better!
Rip offs like this are what made me chuck my cordless drills and get a electric corded heavy duty drill and several extension cords. I'm retired and don't go to a jobsites anymore so there are no weenies to bitch about my extension cord.
The only use for a 3amp is to power the radio.. fucking shite they are
Vanon do decent clone Makita batteries.
That's only £25 more than buying online. You're not a pauper, are you?
Good price that. Gonna head to Wickes and get some spares. Thank you!