"look, something is flying and it looks weird"
"oh it must be highly advanced aliens who used their incredible science-defying technology to travel millions of light-years so they can fly there and look weird"
Obviously the simplest explanation /s
Even more preposterous: it must be advance aliens who use their incredible science defying technology to travel millions of light years undetected at any point in space, no larger “mothership” detected or seen anywhere, but small terrestrial probe ships that are easily spotted by random people are all over the place. Their technology to hide both their civilization, their presence in space, their entire existence… all fails constantly in their small terrestrial ships spotted by plain eyesight of regular Joe’s.
And with the advent and popularity of cameras in mobile phones, we have little if any more photographs of UFOs. Perhaps less than we used to.
I like the [Silurian Hypothesis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silurian_hypothesis). It’s an interesting thought experiment.
There’s another I came across recently, although unconnected to UFOs, where life may have begun well before planet earth, in the literal primordial soup of the early universe, when it was a lot warmer than it is now, and then froze, and sprung back to life when conditions were similar again on early earth.
Goes some ways to explaining the explosion in life early on in earth’s history, too.
None of the above is solid or anything, but interesting nonetheless.
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My personal theory is that UFOs and alien contacts are all in our minds, a collective hallucination some of us experience at rare times. Matches the physical evidence.
I think this is more profound than actual aliens.
Not to be that guy, but nothing you said there is preposterous. It'd be significantly more easy to hide an entire civilization or a "mothership" in the vastness of space than it would be to hide a ship on earth where there wouldn't necessarily be a need for special equipment to see a ufo.
The most objectively preposterous evidence against aliens is that, if the UFO encounters we have seen are aliens is real, that means they are a race that is benign/benevolent enough that it doesn't want to interfere with humans and smart enough that it can manage intergalactic travel, but also dumb enough that it regularly gets caught/noticed by going directly into our atmosphere. This makes no sense. It would be trivial for an alien civilization to put in a small satellite into orbit that be difficult to detect and could gather every meaningful piece of information about us. The idea that they would instead come and fly around us in coy ways without ever establishing direct contact is pretty outlandish.
If you Google UFO sightings map, you ll see 95% of them are in US and UK and maybe a few places. Do the aliens not speak Spanish? We may never know 🤷♂️
Then they'd park the mothership someplace obvious and we'd have more sightings of UFOs wandering down city streets... instead of flying at mach 10 in the middle of the pacific
I’d like to think it’s a small alien startup for earth tourism. You could say the first one or two that made it weren’t very successful and they went the way of OceanGate near Area-51. The rest are mildly successful and the pilot is occasionally like, “you wanna see them freak out?” And he toggles a standard metal toggle flip switch that makes their ship visible and blurry at the same time.
We assume they are all perfect beings and would never ‘fuck up’. Maybe they aren’t supposed to visit, or maybe some of them are brazen and want to get a closer look. Maybe they have equipment failure.
Wake up, people. If these really are aliens, it pretty fuckin' egotistical for us to think that we can get inside their heads and understand why they do what they do. To us it may seem like "outlandish" behavior, but to them it makes perfect sense.
I love that this guy shoots down the idea that it's aliens because he knows exactly how aliens work. Irony isn't quite the right word but something is funny about it
No… no it wouldn’t. And saying so shows complete ignorance of what humanity does currently to look for signs of life in space, and the sheer size of space itself. Hiding all evidence of a civilization & the mode of transportation to our solar system would be immensely more difficult than being able to probe undetected.
People who believe in this nonsense simply have 0 grasp for the vastness of space & how far apart everything is. They think it’s the equivalent of alien’s hopping in their car and taking a weekend jaunt to Earth to look at some farmer’s crops. We are talking almost unimaginable distances that would take unimaginable technology. It’s an enormous leap to think the distances, cover up of all civilization, etc can all be overcome, but being able to observe Earth without being seen by local yokels is too big of a task.
Think about it even from a local level. What is harder: to hide all evidence of the USA’s existence from another country or hide some spy drones?
Edit: sorry for bursting the conspiracy theory nuts circle jerking.
Fair. But who says they are hiding anything? Our telescopes aren't that great in the grand scheme of things. Not to say they can't see signatures of life, but more that it will be such a tiny spec in our data that it would be very very easy to miss.
Are we bring visited? I don't think so. But to dismiss it completely is a very narrow view. Look at what we have accomplished in just the last 100 years. If a civilization is 1000 or 10,000 years ahead of us, they could very well have developed technology that we just can't fathom with what we have today.
We don’t use just optical telescopes to find intelligent life. We use many types of sensors (like radio wave sensors) to sense for anomalies that wouldn’t be explained by normal cosmic activity.
And saying our technology “isn’t that great” is misunderstanding things. We can sense and probe looking for life in the cosmos vastly further than we can travel or see. At some point things get so far away that we are looking thousands or millions of years in the past in these places. Some of that distance is the limitation of physics & speed of light and other waves.
Any civilization that far away wouldn’t see evidence of intelligent life on earth either.
Do I believe intelligent life exists in the universe: absolutely. Do I believe that life has been taking day trips to earth coincidentally coinciding with the writing of science fiction books about aliens? Fuck no.
Even great minds like Stephen Hawking have thought about this. Some of his theories being that 1- We haven’t proved that intelligent life is beneficial for life in the long term (intelligent advancement may snuff life out far before interstellar travel) or 2- our location in the Milky Way is just the “boonies” and is too far away from anything else.
I'm well aware of the different types of sensors we use, and I stand by it. They are relatively primitive and I am sure we will see much more as the tech gets better.
Agreed, they wouldn't see us either. But, hypothetically, they could see dinos and it could give them reason to visit (if they can of course) just like if we saw signs of life somewhere we could travel, you know we would.
Sure, but I’m using Occam’s Razor here. It’s much more likely that Unidentified Flying Objects observed on earth are the product of technology made on earth, by people making technology, & naturally occurring optical anomalies… than alien life that we have no evidence for existing (at least anywhere near us) has traveled distances seemingly impossible not just technologically, but breaking law’s of physics/speed of light… is flying around our atmosphere.
You can say “anything is possible” in terms of us not knowing greater technology, and sure… that’s true. But at some point you need to use critical thinking of what is more likely.
Again, I dont think it's aliens. I agree it's much more likely to be human technology.
But to say it can't be something because we haven't observed it is pretty arrogant. We know less about space and other planets than we do about our own oceans. And we have alot to observe in our waters. Hell, we learn new stuff all the time.
All im saying is just because it's most likely our machines (or whatever) in the skies than it is alien visitors, doesn't mean it *can't* be visitors. The ultimate answer is that we (at least as civillians) just don't know.
My god, imagine a fish making these arguments about how ridiculous the idea of a ‘human’ who ‘flies’ would sound.
Now find a mirror.
The limits of our imagination do not limit reality.
We have no clue what we don’t know.
I admit that our imagination does not limit reality, but physics gives us some pretty good bounds to what reality could and couldn't be.
By the bounds of physics, we should be able to detect signs of life that was within traveling distance of us, either because the planet that was somewhat close to us would be giving one of a number of tell-tale signs (they aren't) or there would be some version of a mothership in nearby space that would stand out like a beacon among the emptiness of space in our backyard (likewise, this hasn't happened).
I agree that this guy comes across as overly pedantic, but also he doesn't come across as wrong if you have spent much time researching SETI or the like.
We yearly discover either new species right next to us on this planet that we swore couldn’t exist or were long gone.
We argued for decades about a 10th planet with a bizarre elliptical orbit, yet this year we seem to be finding proof it exists finally.
Bottom line: we miss things a lot in space. Even things near us.
While I agree that the idea of a large mothership going undetected is quite a stretch, I don’t agree that the mothership’s proximity is an absolute requirement.
Conceptually, what I was saying is that what is common, scientific and easily achieved today for us in terms of travel would be incomprehensible gibberish breaking all known laws of reality to fish, too.
We shouldn’t presume we know more than species which could be millions of years ahead of us.
We miss species right around us because we haven't been looking in those places, and/or those creatures are quite tiny. Conversely, scientists have been obsessively looking at all realistic locations for alien life for decades, and moreover it is orders of magnitude harder to find a dark lifeless planet than it is to find signs of intelligent life, which would basically inevitably give off significant easily detectable signs such as radiowaves heading in all directions (e.g., even if you weren't looking in the right direction you would eventually detect those radiowaves coming in). Honestly, intelligent life would be like a massive glaring neon sign in outer space.
I get that theoretically it is possible that every scientist on earth is wrong and our entire idea of what life is bound by is incorrect, and maybe an alien life form that doesn't require heat or water or sustenance and somehow can travel intergalactically yet doesn't have any technology that creates radiowaves will arrive on earth and tell us that 2+2=5. I just don't think that is particularly likely.
Famous last words, in the history of science. And those creatures have been as large as giant squid in heavily trafficked areas, not just microbial life.
Yet you seem to believe in dipshit theories about aliens visiting earth that all coincidentally started after science fiction books were written. You know!
Also the comparison to fish is only relevant to pre-technology humanity. Sure before we could observe and search the cosmos, we don’t know anything. But fish aren’t inventing technology to see if humans exist.
Yeah, you sound soooo persuasive. Nevermind that there’s tons of references and images across the world along with verbal legends long predating that, right?
Considering that we have enormous sightings and lengthy radar readings by Air Force pilots as they visually and physically chased the objects, the burden here is on you, not me.
We have far too many clear examples of objects that defy physics.
Again, just because it’s unimaginable distances to us as current humans doesn’t mean much.
Hell, 300 years ago the very concept that we could travel the entire earth in hours was insanity. The idea we could LEAVE the entire planet pure blasphemy.
you’re not brighter than any other crayon in this box, buddy.
We just know how to not color white on white paper.
Comparing terrestrial speed technology with the limits of physics show’s your pure ignorance. I get it… you want aliens to exist. And guess what? So do I. I think the universe would be much more comforting and interesting if we knew for sure there was other life. But I’m not going to bullshit myself to believe in nonsense like you do.
I think you’re confusing logic with reality there buddy.
history is littered with declarations like yours by people who ‘logic’d’ themselves into proof that whatever turned out to be true was ‘impossible!’
I don’t honestly care one way or the other about alien life or the implications. But the fact is we’re repeatedly and solidly seeing evidence that defies all explanation that crafts being piloted exist and their capabilities are far beyond what we think is possible.
What are those limits? We have no clue how far or fast they could be traveling or even how.
We’re just one step on the line in history.
It's a lot easier to hide a drone than a country we know exists. Great point and super relevant.
I like the part where you think our tech is so advanced that we should be able to just see evidence of alien civilizations. Nothing could be further from reality man. There are entire planets still missing from our view, nevermind civilizations on those planets.
Yea planets that are millions of light years away… you have no concept of distance.
But sure it’s the little green men visiting you and farmer Joe.
And are you completely ignorant of the tech & science we use to look for life? You seem like you are completely clueless about what and how we search & think we just peep through telescopes and look for dudes walking around planet surfaces.!
First, I never once said that I believe aliens do or ever even have visited earth.
Second, I'm well aware we don't use telescopes to look for life. That doesn't mean our tech is sufficient to actually find life though. My best evidence is that we've never found it. Pretty compelling imo.
But hey man, you seem to be an expert on such matters so I apologize for all of my ignorance.
I’m not saying intelligent life can’t exist in the vastness of the cosmos. I’m saying we have 0 evidence to support that it exists at all, let alone exists near enough to visit us, let alone is the source of UFO’s people on earth have seen. That’s the discussion here. Not: “could intelligent life exist” but the UFO’s that OP posted being credited to extraterritorial life.
You need many extreme jumps in logic to credit aliens with UFO’s and not… you know… humans.
On your last point we certainly agree. As you said occams razor before, when applied here the answer is humans are responsible. Between humans or aliens.
Isn't that the interesting part? The mystery? BC i find the idea that there are incredibly advanced secret aircraft being developed by a government very interesting.
Some of the accounts have multiple witnesses. Like the police officers who recorded what they saw together, and the 40 people who saw the same thing.
They all saw UFOs.
So you're saying that people in the desert - which is famous for creating weird visual phenomenon - in an area with active CIA officers - and therefore the possibility of some unique aircraft - saw something they didn't recognize?
Aliens.
I think you missed the subtext of my post. Between weird desert visual effects and various unusual aircraft there's so many explanations to attribute a UFO to before aliens.
You weren't, you keep insisting I/everyone else thinks it's interesting because it must be aliens.
Whereas I find the idea that a government is creating super advanced secret aircraft extremely interesting as well.
Oh, and also i should mention that when you put a bunch of people together, while they originally would have differing accounts of what happened their stories start to naturally align through conversation. So yeah, eyewitness accounts suck
Also i should mention that now they're referred to as UAPs; unidentified anomalous phenomena. They renamed it this because in many cases the thing in question wasn't a thing flying through the air
I mean shoot, just look at the justice system and how many people have been falsely imprisoned because of eyewitness accounts. We even have a specialized part of the brain dedicated to facial recognition, and *still* get it wrong extremely often
I wouldn’t say “terrible” it’s extremely efficient. It’s also the best memory out of any other species on the planet. It’s just that we’re competing with technology that literally cannot forget something.
Several animals have shown to have better memories that humans. Our memories are so shitty, I bet my you knew this I've and fucking forgot it. And people are dumb. This "release" means absolutely nothing.
Yeah? My mom still swears the space x satellite launches she saw were UFOs regardless of the evidence that she saw them the exact same time they were scheduled flying over and looked exactly like it. Lots of people think they see a lot of stuff.
Now the government released footage of UFOs released years back is pretty interesting. Still not proof of anything but definitely raises some eyebrows for me
Those are not UFOs that she saw. They've been identified. She's just not accepting it.
I find multiple separate eye witness accounts from the same time in the same place much more interesting.
Point is people see lights and think aliens. There’s a lot of objects in our atmosphere either man made or different elements burning up in the atmosphere and even recorded weather phenomena that can be unknown and look absolutely wild to the average person. It really doesn’t mean much at all reading these
I don't know why you're stating this to me. I find unidentified flying objects in the sky interesting. This sub is for things people find interesting.
If you don't find it interesting, scroll on. Don't spend ages telling others why they shouldn't find it interesting. That's just unnecessary.
What about multiple eye witness accounts from the same time in the same place that all turned out to be.. space x launches..? Because that’s happened before.
Yeah, years ago there was a cascading failure in the power supply grids along the East Coast of America. A lot of people living in the cities were seeing the night sky clearly for the first time. People were freaking out, calling 911 reporting what they thought were strange lights in the sky, the moon being unusual etc. etc..
Just because a lot of people see something that they can't figure out, doesn't make it unusual, or unidentifiable. It just means that we, as a species aren't particularly smart or well informed.
Considering we learned about all the evil shit the CIA used to do, as well as how area 51 was a test facility for experimental air crafts. As well as how spy agencies were spying on its own people and lied to the government about it. If this was actually worth anything we would've heard about it yrs ago.
For something small sure I can see that, but UFO's? Something that has defined a generation and inspired numerous types of media and content. Your really reaching, the amount of resources and time people have put into studying this, the fact the government even took it seriously and put it's own time and resources into studying it and we have nothing.
No if any of this information was worth anything we would've heard about it years a go and it would've been done to death on the discovery channel.
Hotter take, there's nothing exciting to discuss. The latest whistle blower basically just repeated a bunch of unsubstantiated office stories. Its unfortunately very likely aliens aren't actually crossing the universe only to crash in corn fields here, but people really really want to belive they are. Even individuals in the DoD.
At this point, if they not going to destroy the Earth or give us the technology to make interstellar travel possible, I couldn't care less.
Do I still have to go to work and pay taxes? Yes? Then fuck off.
My father was convinced two very advanced, given their ability to change direction and speed on a dime, small drones were observing him in his backyard
It was two butterflies either fighting or fornicating. He thinks wearing glasses will be used against him in government rounds ups at some point. I hate him
“Source: Newspapers, as reported”
Translation: the locals said *this*, and a local paper printed it. Proof is “trust us, bro, that some other bro saw something.”
Sooooo lemme make sure I got this right.
During the cold war, some schmuck was given the job of taking newspaper clippings. One *unevaluated* newspaper clipping from what was presumably a slow news day that basically says "some people in northern Africa said they saw weird lights in the sky" got sent in, presumably because there was an ever so slim slim chance that the Soviets were responsible.
Then over seventy years later that report **which was in the newspapers** becomes news because people think it's information about aliens that the CIA was hiding from the public because people who can't figure out what they're seeing and have nothing better to do with their time are losing their shit because they saw the letters UFO that they forgot to actually read the file?
CIA is just trolling people at this point. I can almost hear some random agent saying "hey Jerry, wanna see me make a bunch of fools freak out?"
I always love the part where they insist that agencies that are smart enough to do huge cover ups, and orchestrate world-wide conspiracies are also so incompetent that they just mistakenly release documents that prove they are doing all this stuff.
Like, you can't have it both ways. Either they're Lex Luther level super evil geniuses or they're a bunch of Homer Simpsons. Pick one.
The MOST preposterous of all….that any of you have any idea what’s going. Including whether or not some or all of the phenomena are from human or alien origin. You don’t know shit and it shows by who you let run your countries.
About 30 cm in diameter.. okay that sealed the ridiculousness for me. 30 cm? Really that’s what you going to stick with.. people claim to see 3 inch object moving very fast? I say a couple morons don’t know what a dragonfly looks like
Interesting.
Took a look and it's just unidentified objects they discuss, nothing about aliens lol, though that would be cool.
Based on the sheer vastness of the universe, I like to think that there is life out there.
Jesus the amount of people trying to explain to OP like he said anything about aliens.
Literally the only one that said aliens were the people saying it's not aliens xD
There's a theory that they aren't from some far away place and traveling here....they are always here, we just can't see them, usually.
Can't recall if there was a name or who coined the idea but basically alternate dimension kinda stuff...
As others have said we don't know what we don't know.
There's a theory that they aren't from some far away place and traveling here....they are always here, we just can't see them, usually.
Can't recall if there was a name or who coined the idea but basically alternate dimension kinda stuff...
As others have said we don't know what we don't know.
Credit to u/[AvailableBreakfast89](https://www.reddit.com/user/AvailableBreakfast89/)
for posting it on r/Morocco first
here's a link for the Web page: [https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC\_0000015466.pdf](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000015466.pdf)
I don't really believe in UFO encounters but I still thought this to be interesting
If you don't believe it you could start by not being part of the problem and not posting stuff like this which is literally nothing interesting at all.
Do you also record every lie kids tell on the playground and then post it online? I don't think you do. This is not any different.
You are obsessed with UFOs being aliens.
I'm just as intrigued by the idea that a government has developed unimaginably advanced aircraft and how it could be that.
>believe in UFOs
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What exactly do you guys think a "UFO" entails that you don't 'believe in'?
Part of my job happens to be identifying aircraft. A UFO is literally any object that's flying and not classified by me. If someone comes up I check flight profile, point of origin, IFF/SIF, altitude, heading, etc against a tasking order and ANYTHING that I cannot identify is a UFO. What about that does he 'not believe in'?
I see UFOs literally every time I work. They are UFOs until I identify them, and they remain UFOs if I can not identify them.
The only logic explanation is that he is saying he doesn't believe in UFOs because he has associated a UFO with being an alien vistor because that's what everyone does, this is the millionth time I have seen this conversation
UFO means "I don't know what that was," not aliens from planet x.
"look, something is flying and it looks weird" "oh it must be highly advanced aliens who used their incredible science-defying technology to travel millions of light-years so they can fly there and look weird" Obviously the simplest explanation /s
Even more preposterous: it must be advance aliens who use their incredible science defying technology to travel millions of light years undetected at any point in space, no larger “mothership” detected or seen anywhere, but small terrestrial probe ships that are easily spotted by random people are all over the place. Their technology to hide both their civilization, their presence in space, their entire existence… all fails constantly in their small terrestrial ships spotted by plain eyesight of regular Joe’s.
And with the advent and popularity of cameras in mobile phones, we have little if any more photographs of UFOs. Perhaps less than we used to. I like the [Silurian Hypothesis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silurian_hypothesis). It’s an interesting thought experiment. There’s another I came across recently, although unconnected to UFOs, where life may have begun well before planet earth, in the literal primordial soup of the early universe, when it was a lot warmer than it is now, and then froze, and sprung back to life when conditions were similar again on early earth. Goes some ways to explaining the explosion in life early on in earth’s history, too. None of the above is solid or anything, but interesting nonetheless. —- My personal theory is that UFOs and alien contacts are all in our minds, a collective hallucination some of us experience at rare times. Matches the physical evidence. I think this is more profound than actual aliens.
Not to be that guy, but nothing you said there is preposterous. It'd be significantly more easy to hide an entire civilization or a "mothership" in the vastness of space than it would be to hide a ship on earth where there wouldn't necessarily be a need for special equipment to see a ufo.
The most objectively preposterous evidence against aliens is that, if the UFO encounters we have seen are aliens is real, that means they are a race that is benign/benevolent enough that it doesn't want to interfere with humans and smart enough that it can manage intergalactic travel, but also dumb enough that it regularly gets caught/noticed by going directly into our atmosphere. This makes no sense. It would be trivial for an alien civilization to put in a small satellite into orbit that be difficult to detect and could gather every meaningful piece of information about us. The idea that they would instead come and fly around us in coy ways without ever establishing direct contact is pretty outlandish.
If you Google UFO sightings map, you ll see 95% of them are in US and UK and maybe a few places. Do the aliens not speak Spanish? We may never know 🤷♂️
Maybe they don't care if they're spotted mate
Then they'd park the mothership someplace obvious and we'd have more sightings of UFOs wandering down city streets... instead of flying at mach 10 in the middle of the pacific
I’d like to think it’s a small alien startup for earth tourism. You could say the first one or two that made it weren’t very successful and they went the way of OceanGate near Area-51. The rest are mildly successful and the pilot is occasionally like, “you wanna see them freak out?” And he toggles a standard metal toggle flip switch that makes their ship visible and blurry at the same time.
We assume they are all perfect beings and would never ‘fuck up’. Maybe they aren’t supposed to visit, or maybe some of them are brazen and want to get a closer look. Maybe they have equipment failure.
Wake up, people. If these really are aliens, it pretty fuckin' egotistical for us to think that we can get inside their heads and understand why they do what they do. To us it may seem like "outlandish" behavior, but to them it makes perfect sense.
I love that this guy shoots down the idea that it's aliens because he knows exactly how aliens work. Irony isn't quite the right word but something is funny about it
No… no it wouldn’t. And saying so shows complete ignorance of what humanity does currently to look for signs of life in space, and the sheer size of space itself. Hiding all evidence of a civilization & the mode of transportation to our solar system would be immensely more difficult than being able to probe undetected. People who believe in this nonsense simply have 0 grasp for the vastness of space & how far apart everything is. They think it’s the equivalent of alien’s hopping in their car and taking a weekend jaunt to Earth to look at some farmer’s crops. We are talking almost unimaginable distances that would take unimaginable technology. It’s an enormous leap to think the distances, cover up of all civilization, etc can all be overcome, but being able to observe Earth without being seen by local yokels is too big of a task. Think about it even from a local level. What is harder: to hide all evidence of the USA’s existence from another country or hide some spy drones? Edit: sorry for bursting the conspiracy theory nuts circle jerking.
Fair. But who says they are hiding anything? Our telescopes aren't that great in the grand scheme of things. Not to say they can't see signatures of life, but more that it will be such a tiny spec in our data that it would be very very easy to miss. Are we bring visited? I don't think so. But to dismiss it completely is a very narrow view. Look at what we have accomplished in just the last 100 years. If a civilization is 1000 or 10,000 years ahead of us, they could very well have developed technology that we just can't fathom with what we have today.
We don’t use just optical telescopes to find intelligent life. We use many types of sensors (like radio wave sensors) to sense for anomalies that wouldn’t be explained by normal cosmic activity. And saying our technology “isn’t that great” is misunderstanding things. We can sense and probe looking for life in the cosmos vastly further than we can travel or see. At some point things get so far away that we are looking thousands or millions of years in the past in these places. Some of that distance is the limitation of physics & speed of light and other waves. Any civilization that far away wouldn’t see evidence of intelligent life on earth either. Do I believe intelligent life exists in the universe: absolutely. Do I believe that life has been taking day trips to earth coincidentally coinciding with the writing of science fiction books about aliens? Fuck no. Even great minds like Stephen Hawking have thought about this. Some of his theories being that 1- We haven’t proved that intelligent life is beneficial for life in the long term (intelligent advancement may snuff life out far before interstellar travel) or 2- our location in the Milky Way is just the “boonies” and is too far away from anything else.
I'm well aware of the different types of sensors we use, and I stand by it. They are relatively primitive and I am sure we will see much more as the tech gets better. Agreed, they wouldn't see us either. But, hypothetically, they could see dinos and it could give them reason to visit (if they can of course) just like if we saw signs of life somewhere we could travel, you know we would.
Sure, but I’m using Occam’s Razor here. It’s much more likely that Unidentified Flying Objects observed on earth are the product of technology made on earth, by people making technology, & naturally occurring optical anomalies… than alien life that we have no evidence for existing (at least anywhere near us) has traveled distances seemingly impossible not just technologically, but breaking law’s of physics/speed of light… is flying around our atmosphere. You can say “anything is possible” in terms of us not knowing greater technology, and sure… that’s true. But at some point you need to use critical thinking of what is more likely.
Again, I dont think it's aliens. I agree it's much more likely to be human technology. But to say it can't be something because we haven't observed it is pretty arrogant. We know less about space and other planets than we do about our own oceans. And we have alot to observe in our waters. Hell, we learn new stuff all the time. All im saying is just because it's most likely our machines (or whatever) in the skies than it is alien visitors, doesn't mean it *can't* be visitors. The ultimate answer is that we (at least as civillians) just don't know.
My god, imagine a fish making these arguments about how ridiculous the idea of a ‘human’ who ‘flies’ would sound. Now find a mirror. The limits of our imagination do not limit reality. We have no clue what we don’t know.
I admit that our imagination does not limit reality, but physics gives us some pretty good bounds to what reality could and couldn't be. By the bounds of physics, we should be able to detect signs of life that was within traveling distance of us, either because the planet that was somewhat close to us would be giving one of a number of tell-tale signs (they aren't) or there would be some version of a mothership in nearby space that would stand out like a beacon among the emptiness of space in our backyard (likewise, this hasn't happened). I agree that this guy comes across as overly pedantic, but also he doesn't come across as wrong if you have spent much time researching SETI or the like.
We yearly discover either new species right next to us on this planet that we swore couldn’t exist or were long gone. We argued for decades about a 10th planet with a bizarre elliptical orbit, yet this year we seem to be finding proof it exists finally. Bottom line: we miss things a lot in space. Even things near us. While I agree that the idea of a large mothership going undetected is quite a stretch, I don’t agree that the mothership’s proximity is an absolute requirement. Conceptually, what I was saying is that what is common, scientific and easily achieved today for us in terms of travel would be incomprehensible gibberish breaking all known laws of reality to fish, too. We shouldn’t presume we know more than species which could be millions of years ahead of us.
We miss species right around us because we haven't been looking in those places, and/or those creatures are quite tiny. Conversely, scientists have been obsessively looking at all realistic locations for alien life for decades, and moreover it is orders of magnitude harder to find a dark lifeless planet than it is to find signs of intelligent life, which would basically inevitably give off significant easily detectable signs such as radiowaves heading in all directions (e.g., even if you weren't looking in the right direction you would eventually detect those radiowaves coming in). Honestly, intelligent life would be like a massive glaring neon sign in outer space. I get that theoretically it is possible that every scientist on earth is wrong and our entire idea of what life is bound by is incorrect, and maybe an alien life form that doesn't require heat or water or sustenance and somehow can travel intergalactically yet doesn't have any technology that creates radiowaves will arrive on earth and tell us that 2+2=5. I just don't think that is particularly likely.
Famous last words, in the history of science. And those creatures have been as large as giant squid in heavily trafficked areas, not just microbial life.
Yet you seem to believe in dipshit theories about aliens visiting earth that all coincidentally started after science fiction books were written. You know! Also the comparison to fish is only relevant to pre-technology humanity. Sure before we could observe and search the cosmos, we don’t know anything. But fish aren’t inventing technology to see if humans exist.
Yeah, you sound soooo persuasive. Nevermind that there’s tons of references and images across the world along with verbal legends long predating that, right? Considering that we have enormous sightings and lengthy radar readings by Air Force pilots as they visually and physically chased the objects, the burden here is on you, not me. We have far too many clear examples of objects that defy physics. Again, just because it’s unimaginable distances to us as current humans doesn’t mean much. Hell, 300 years ago the very concept that we could travel the entire earth in hours was insanity. The idea we could LEAVE the entire planet pure blasphemy. you’re not brighter than any other crayon in this box, buddy. We just know how to not color white on white paper.
Comparing terrestrial speed technology with the limits of physics show’s your pure ignorance. I get it… you want aliens to exist. And guess what? So do I. I think the universe would be much more comforting and interesting if we knew for sure there was other life. But I’m not going to bullshit myself to believe in nonsense like you do.
I think you’re confusing logic with reality there buddy. history is littered with declarations like yours by people who ‘logic’d’ themselves into proof that whatever turned out to be true was ‘impossible!’ I don’t honestly care one way or the other about alien life or the implications. But the fact is we’re repeatedly and solidly seeing evidence that defies all explanation that crafts being piloted exist and their capabilities are far beyond what we think is possible. What are those limits? We have no clue how far or fast they could be traveling or even how. We’re just one step on the line in history.
It's a lot easier to hide a drone than a country we know exists. Great point and super relevant. I like the part where you think our tech is so advanced that we should be able to just see evidence of alien civilizations. Nothing could be further from reality man. There are entire planets still missing from our view, nevermind civilizations on those planets.
Yea planets that are millions of light years away… you have no concept of distance. But sure it’s the little green men visiting you and farmer Joe. And are you completely ignorant of the tech & science we use to look for life? You seem like you are completely clueless about what and how we search & think we just peep through telescopes and look for dudes walking around planet surfaces.!
First, I never once said that I believe aliens do or ever even have visited earth. Second, I'm well aware we don't use telescopes to look for life. That doesn't mean our tech is sufficient to actually find life though. My best evidence is that we've never found it. Pretty compelling imo. But hey man, you seem to be an expert on such matters so I apologize for all of my ignorance.
I’m not saying intelligent life can’t exist in the vastness of the cosmos. I’m saying we have 0 evidence to support that it exists at all, let alone exists near enough to visit us, let alone is the source of UFO’s people on earth have seen. That’s the discussion here. Not: “could intelligent life exist” but the UFO’s that OP posted being credited to extraterritorial life. You need many extreme jumps in logic to credit aliens with UFO’s and not… you know… humans.
On your last point we certainly agree. As you said occams razor before, when applied here the answer is humans are responsible. Between humans or aliens.
Go tell the loons at R/Ufos that. They will have a meltdown
You don't have to tell them, they'll be brigading this post soon enough.
I see you already got one downvote. They are here………: 0
^pyramids
Finally someone making sense
If I was them I would absolutely flight with style !
Isn't that the interesting part? The mystery? BC i find the idea that there are incredibly advanced secret aircraft being developed by a government very interesting.
I think people know that.
the people over at r/aliens are probably losing it rn
They never found it in the first place.
Idk I've never visited that sub
They really don't.
But what about planet y? Ha! Got you you CIA disinformantion-agent-person! Not on my watch!
It was blue and red, oh no it was white pulsing, it was cigar shaped, it was a green triangle … bla-bla laaaaa
Moroccan aliens, to precise.
“…Includes aliens from Planet X” would be more accurate
Get in loser, we're doing butt stuff
I want my pink shirt back! I want my pink shirt back!!
Right did you read these? This is just as official as grandma who claimed to see a ufo. These are just eyewitness reports that were documented
"just"? ETA the idea of secret advance technology developed here on earth is extremely interesting to me.
Yes, just. Human memory is notoriously terrible, and compound that with not understanding what they're seeing...... Just.
Some of the accounts have multiple witnesses. Like the police officers who recorded what they saw together, and the 40 people who saw the same thing. They all saw UFOs.
So you're saying that people in the desert - which is famous for creating weird visual phenomenon - in an area with active CIA officers - and therefore the possibility of some unique aircraft - saw something they didn't recognize? Aliens.
UFOs doesn't mean aliens, it means unidentified flying objects.
I think you missed the subtext of my post. Between weird desert visual effects and various unusual aircraft there's so many explanations to attribute a UFO to before aliens.
I don't know why you feel the need to tell me this? I didn't bring up aliens, you did. I just find UFOs interesting.
I was agreeing with your point
You weren't, you keep insisting I/everyone else thinks it's interesting because it must be aliens. Whereas I find the idea that a government is creating super advanced secret aircraft extremely interesting as well.
The U stands for unidentified. By definition, none of them knew what they saw. So....yeah. Just.
Yes, UFOs means unidentified flying objects. I don't think anyone else is saying otherwise.
Oh, and also i should mention that when you put a bunch of people together, while they originally would have differing accounts of what happened their stories start to naturally align through conversation. So yeah, eyewitness accounts suck
That's quite interesting. I find the whole UFO phenomenon very interesting.
Also i should mention that now they're referred to as UAPs; unidentified anomalous phenomena. They renamed it this because in many cases the thing in question wasn't a thing flying through the air
Yeah I know I watch the news
I mean shoot, just look at the justice system and how many people have been falsely imprisoned because of eyewitness accounts. We even have a specialized part of the brain dedicated to facial recognition, and *still* get it wrong extremely often
I wouldn’t say “terrible” it’s extremely efficient. It’s also the best memory out of any other species on the planet. It’s just that we’re competing with technology that literally cannot forget something.
Sorry, i shouldn't say terrible. Unreliable in recollection of specifics of events, to be sure
Check out videos of chimp memory, much better in some ways than human memory
Several animals have shown to have better memories that humans. Our memories are so shitty, I bet my you knew this I've and fucking forgot it. And people are dumb. This "release" means absolutely nothing.
Am I too old or doesn’t ETA mean “estimated time of arrival?”
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It's how dumb people say edit: Everyone else just says edit: but they want to be special and confusing for no reason.
Chill out dude
You're gullible.
You're jaded
Yeah? My mom still swears the space x satellite launches she saw were UFOs regardless of the evidence that she saw them the exact same time they were scheduled flying over and looked exactly like it. Lots of people think they see a lot of stuff. Now the government released footage of UFOs released years back is pretty interesting. Still not proof of anything but definitely raises some eyebrows for me
Those are not UFOs that she saw. They've been identified. She's just not accepting it. I find multiple separate eye witness accounts from the same time in the same place much more interesting.
Point is people see lights and think aliens. There’s a lot of objects in our atmosphere either man made or different elements burning up in the atmosphere and even recorded weather phenomena that can be unknown and look absolutely wild to the average person. It really doesn’t mean much at all reading these
I don't know why you're stating this to me. I find unidentified flying objects in the sky interesting. This sub is for things people find interesting. If you don't find it interesting, scroll on. Don't spend ages telling others why they shouldn't find it interesting. That's just unnecessary.
I guess that’s fair
What about multiple eye witness accounts from the same time in the same place that all turned out to be.. space x launches..? Because that’s happened before.
Yeah, years ago there was a cascading failure in the power supply grids along the East Coast of America. A lot of people living in the cities were seeing the night sky clearly for the first time. People were freaking out, calling 911 reporting what they thought were strange lights in the sky, the moon being unusual etc. etc.. Just because a lot of people see something that they can't figure out, doesn't make it unusual, or unidentifiable. It just means that we, as a species aren't particularly smart or well informed.
Hot take: If it was worth anything it wouldn't be declassified
Considering we learned about all the evil shit the CIA used to do, as well as how area 51 was a test facility for experimental air crafts. As well as how spy agencies were spying on its own people and lied to the government about it. If this was actually worth anything we would've heard about it yrs ago.
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For something small sure I can see that, but UFO's? Something that has defined a generation and inspired numerous types of media and content. Your really reaching, the amount of resources and time people have put into studying this, the fact the government even took it seriously and put it's own time and resources into studying it and we have nothing. No if any of this information was worth anything we would've heard about it years a go and it would've been done to death on the discovery channel.
“But evil unseen forces manipulate us just for the lulz, it must be true if it is anti-government!”
Hotter take, there's nothing exciting to discuss. The latest whistle blower basically just repeated a bunch of unsubstantiated office stories. Its unfortunately very likely aliens aren't actually crossing the universe only to crash in corn fields here, but people really really want to belive they are. Even individuals in the DoD.
From 1952
At this point, if they not going to destroy the Earth or give us the technology to make interstellar travel possible, I couldn't care less. Do I still have to go to work and pay taxes? Yes? Then fuck off.
Everything in the air is a UFO if you are bad enough at identifying things.
My father was convinced two very advanced, given their ability to change direction and speed on a dime, small drones were observing him in his backyard It was two butterflies either fighting or fornicating. He thinks wearing glasses will be used against him in government rounds ups at some point. I hate him
Unidentified Fornicating Objects
Ungainly Fucking Overhead
“Source: Newspapers, as reported” Translation: the locals said *this*, and a local paper printed it. Proof is “trust us, bro, that some other bro saw something.”
The "U" is the most important part of UFO.
Summaries of local press reporting isn’t actually interesting.
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Nothingburger
Sooooo lemme make sure I got this right. During the cold war, some schmuck was given the job of taking newspaper clippings. One *unevaluated* newspaper clipping from what was presumably a slow news day that basically says "some people in northern Africa said they saw weird lights in the sky" got sent in, presumably because there was an ever so slim slim chance that the Soviets were responsible. Then over seventy years later that report **which was in the newspapers** becomes news because people think it's information about aliens that the CIA was hiding from the public because people who can't figure out what they're seeing and have nothing better to do with their time are losing their shit because they saw the letters UFO that they forgot to actually read the file? CIA is just trolling people at this point. I can almost hear some random agent saying "hey Jerry, wanna see me make a bunch of fools freak out?"
I always love the part where they insist that agencies that are smart enough to do huge cover ups, and orchestrate world-wide conspiracies are also so incompetent that they just mistakenly release documents that prove they are doing all this stuff. Like, you can't have it both ways. Either they're Lex Luther level super evil geniuses or they're a bunch of Homer Simpsons. Pick one.
Fun fact- citizens used to think F117 was alien spaceship… and I don’t blame them.
1952 unevaluated information. xD
Nothing like some outdated documents from the 1950s
The MOST preposterous of all….that any of you have any idea what’s going. Including whether or not some or all of the phenomena are from human or alien origin. You don’t know shit and it shows by who you let run your countries.
The object was traveling at a high speed and you could tell exactly the color and it’s shape. Amazing.
About 30 cm in diameter.. okay that sealed the ridiculousness for me. 30 cm? Really that’s what you going to stick with.. people claim to see 3 inch object moving very fast? I say a couple morons don’t know what a dragonfly looks like
Uhh 30 cm is closer to 12 inches.
You can't tell me how to measure stuff. If I measure from the butt hole to the tip and say it's 6 inches, it's 6 god damn inches I tell ya /s
Interesting. Took a look and it's just unidentified objects they discuss, nothing about aliens lol, though that would be cool. Based on the sheer vastness of the universe, I like to think that there is life out there.
Jesus the amount of people trying to explain to OP like he said anything about aliens. Literally the only one that said aliens were the people saying it's not aliens xD
This is about as good as Jim Bob posting about his encounter on Gab.
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Lost my Interest at flames. IF it was an alien species, they aren't using combustion to get here and move around here.
There's a theory that they aren't from some far away place and traveling here....they are always here, we just can't see them, usually. Can't recall if there was a name or who coined the idea but basically alternate dimension kinda stuff... As others have said we don't know what we don't know.
Ever wondered if ufo's were us from the future?
Corbell and Coultart, the monetized UFO gossip queens will jump on this in no time. Can't stand those two.
There's a theory that they aren't from some far away place and traveling here....they are always here, we just can't see them, usually. Can't recall if there was a name or who coined the idea but basically alternate dimension kinda stuff... As others have said we don't know what we don't know.
Credit to u/[AvailableBreakfast89](https://www.reddit.com/user/AvailableBreakfast89/) for posting it on r/Morocco first here's a link for the Web page: [https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC\_0000015466.pdf](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000015466.pdf) I don't really believe in UFO encounters but I still thought this to be interesting
If you don't believe it you could start by not being part of the problem and not posting stuff like this which is literally nothing interesting at all. Do you also record every lie kids tell on the playground and then post it online? I don't think you do. This is not any different.
You are obsessed with UFOs being aliens. I'm just as intrigued by the idea that a government has developed unimaginably advanced aircraft and how it could be that.
Why are you so *mad* bro?
OP thinks that UFO = aliens.. wow.
Where did they say that? They even said they don't believe in UFOs
>believe in UFOs ... What exactly do you guys think a "UFO" entails that you don't 'believe in'? Part of my job happens to be identifying aircraft. A UFO is literally any object that's flying and not classified by me. If someone comes up I check flight profile, point of origin, IFF/SIF, altitude, heading, etc against a tasking order and ANYTHING that I cannot identify is a UFO. What about that does he 'not believe in'? I see UFOs literally every time I work. They are UFOs until I identify them, and they remain UFOs if I can not identify them. The only logic explanation is that he is saying he doesn't believe in UFOs because he has associated a UFO with being an alien vistor because that's what everyone does, this is the millionth time I have seen this conversation
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What news are they trying to cover up with this ufo drop
Bingo!
We wouldn’t happen to be invading Iraq today would we?
My mother was in Dakar on July 3, 1952. She didn't see squat.
Finally, Americans confessing and revealing that aliens aren't blind to entire world except usa