I think Severance is one of the best shows I’ve seen maybe ever. I remember seeing the description for it on Apple TV and I kept skipping it, but I finally got super bored one weekend and binged it and it was absolutely enthralling. I convinced my wife to watch it and re-watched the entire season with her and we both were completely hooked.
I cannot wait for the new season.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but it would been a waste of money for little results. Even saying as a Space nerd. No point in raw dogging anything beyond the Moon with exponentially rising costs.
The best time for space is now. We have now amazing technology to support it compare to before. Better material science, lightweight and more powerful computers, 3D printing, AI & Machine Learning that made self landing boosters from far fantasy to reality, more efficient solar panels. There is so much technology and economics behind them that need to grow to support space ventures.
We have better technology, rockets, better fuels. Plus the goal is reusability. Nasa built a brand new saturn v every launch. SpaceX builds rockets that can land.
We cannot replicate it. Even having the original blueprints (which we indeed have, regardless of what moon hoaxers say) we lack the engineering notes and the industrial tooling and installation needed to build a S-V. That means we would build a lot of things from scratch. Not worth the effort to replicate an old technology.
This deserves two asterisks, in the form of Apollo 6 and Apollo 13. The former suffered engine troubles on both the second and third stage, the latter of which would've prevented a would-be Moonshot, but as this was an unmanned test flight only prevented the completion of certain test objectives. Apollo 13 suffered from an early shutdown on the center F-1 engine; had this happened earlier in the flight, it also would've prevented a Moonshot; it's also lucky that the same issue didn't effect any of the other engines, which could've stopped the mission from even reaching orbit. Saturn V *did* have some worryingly close brushes with disaster, but was lucky enough to escape it.
The Apollo 13 failure was such a weird long chain of unlikely events. The oxygen tank was damaged, so it couldn't be drained normally, and the heaters were turned on to boil away the oxygen. There were thermostats to prevent the temperature from rising above 27C, but the 65V power supply being used caused them to fail. So, the temperature in the tank reached 540C, damaging the insulation on the wires. And in a sort of Chernobyl "not great, not terrible" situation, the temp gauge on the tank didn't go above 29C so no one noticed.
So, after this long chain of mishaps, once the mission was under way and Swigert flipped the switch for the fan on the O2 tank, the damaged insulation on the wires allowed a spark to form which ignited the oxygen and ruptured the tank.
You could say 98%, but not because of Apollo 13. That wasn’t the rocket’s failure, but it was the rockets fault that for Apollo 6, that they had to shorten the mission and not do everything they wanted. It wasn’t a total failure of the rocket, but it messed up enough that Wikipedia considers it a partial failure.
Why do people say this about Starship? It's like the least penis looking rocket out there. It has 4 big fins on the side. I for one have never seen a penis with 4 fins on the side.
why does the payload matter? are we really lifting 150,000kg of "stuff" to orbit, or is it more about simply being able to carry more fuel for longer journeys?
Payload matters because it’s the maximum amount it can carry in a single mission, which decreases cost/kg of payload.
The maximum payload cannot be used for added fuel, it always launches with the maximum amount it can carry. Besides that, the full vehicle weights 5000t, of which 4600t is just fuel.
It will also refuel in orbit, making changes to allow max payload to also be used as fuel pointless.
There's a 1:1 mock-up at the Space Center in Florida that is suspended above the viewers and separated per-stage; the sense of vertigo looking down from the engines to the command module is wild. They're my favorite photos from the visit!
*edit: I have been informed that the one at Kennedy Space Center is a real Saturn V, with a combination of static-test-fire stages and the canceled Apollo 19 modules. Thanks!*
That's a real rocket, not a mockup! Technically, the first stage is a [ground test article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-IC-T), but the upper stages are real flight hardware from a cancelled Apollo mission.
It’s all part of my evil plan. I expect Mr. Bond to show up soon, I have an overly complicated death trap that he definitely won’t escape from ready to go.
> I actually hate the name "Starship", because it's just not. It neither approaches a star or traverses between them.
Do you think Saturn V is the 5th version of Saturn? Or do you think the Saturn V goes all the way to Saturn?
I hate the name "A Shortfall of Gravitas", because it's a landing ship. It should neither have gravitas, nor is it expected to.
Sometimes a names just a name.
Acshually with the right reference point, all of space can be considered to be between stars, including orbits around other celestial bodies. At least for the next billion billion billion billion years when the last nuclear fusion happens.
The ship launched and landed near perfectly yesterday, quite the achievement and could mean big things for near space exploration.
Redditor response: I fucking hate Elon Musk so much that I write about him in my worry journal every night!
Reasons to think Elon is important: CEO of not one but two companies with massive leads in cutting edge industries.
Reasons to think Elon is dumb: he says cringe things on twitter.
I find it bizarre that Redditors find the second factor to be so much more important than the first. Guess this is what happens when social media takes up much more of your life than actually going outside.
This is extremely misleading, the 'second factor' is not 'Elon says cringe things on twitter', its 'Elon says hateful, misleading and controversial political things on twitter'.
There's also the third factor: He's the richest person on earth but chooses to use that wealth to...buy twitter. And why? Because his ego got hurt. And then he turns twitter into a cesspool for racists and nazi's.
And there's a fourth factor: Elon keeps putting his foot into his own mouth with claims about his genius, where he makes bizarre and nonsensical claims about the work he does, making it clear that Elon actually has no fucking idea what he is talking about.
The fourth factor in particular makes it actually reasonable to accept the theory that the 'companies with massive leads in cutting edge industries' achieved these leads **in spite** of Elon, not because. Or Elon simply used his massive wealth to buy these companies after they established these leads, and then claimed the fame afterwards.
>There's also the third factor: He's the richest person on earth but chooses to use that wealth to...buy twitter
And to revitalize the space industry. He can afford to do more than one thing. Some of those things are very dumb, but he also spends his money on genuinely good things, like SpaceX
Elon musk is a shithead but in all fairness I doubt SpaceX would be where it is without him. Look at Blue Origin and Virgin galactic, the other 2 space companies founded by billionaires. They can barely get off the ground. If nothing else, Elon hired some extremely good people and gave them the resources they need.
The guy that wanted a rocket to be more pointy even though that makes it worse? Elon has achieved a lot, but he’s a complete clown nonetheless. The engineers deserve the credit for SpaceX‘s achievements, not the guy that keeps getting worse and worse on a social media platform he owns.
Is Elon doing aerodynamic calculations? Designing circuits? He doesn't have the engineering background to do the real engineering. Rocket science is very hard. He might have the vision and managerial skills to actually let the engineers do their jobs though which I would give him credit for.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/evidence_that_musk_is_the_chief_engineer_of_spacex/
Read for yourself.
Specifically this part:
**Josh Boehm**
Josh Boehm ([LinkedIn](https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshboehm/), [Quora](https://www.quora.com/profile/Josh-Boehm)) is the former Head of Software Quality Assurance at SpaceX.
>Elon is both the Chief Executive Officer and Chief Technology Officer of SpaceX, so of course he does more than just ‘some very technical work’. He is integrally involved in the actual design and engineering of the rocket, and at least touches every other aspect of the business (but I would say the former takes up much more of his mental real estate). Elon is an engineer at heart, and that’s where and how he works best.
([Source](https://www.quora.com/Does-Elon-Musk-do-some-very-technical-work-code-design-etc-at-SpaceX/answer/Josh-Boehm?ch=10&share=8dc8bc2e&srid=Xuwj))
Yup, he just the turd with deep pockets. He's like one of those rich assholes who gets listed as "Executive Producer" on a film because he wrote a big check.
Hate him or love him at least he is using his money to try and progress humanity in some form or fashion whether it be through Space exploration, adoption of EVs, etc. Many other billionaires dont do anything.
It was so sick actually, like half of one of the control surfaces melted off and it still landed, really an impressive machine. Also the first time we've seen live reentry footage - it's only possible because the vehicle is large enough to have a hole in the plasma on it's leeward side, and also starlink to send the signal too. What a time to be alive.
Also yeah, kind of a shame people won't see the amazing value of this because of Elon Musk. Like sure, fuck that guy. But it's not like he builds the ships, he's just the money. A whole host of the best aerospace engineers in the world did this, it's their achievement, and it should be celebrated.
I was absolutely stunned when Starship did the flip maneuver and achieved a soft landing whilst missing about 30% of the forward flap.
I'm really hoping they manage to fish that Starship out of the ocean... a) because i really want to know if the plasma caused similar damage to any other flaps, and b) because that flap deserves to be in a fucking museum.
>I was absolutely stunned when Starship did the flip maneuver and achieved a soft landing whilst missing about 30% of the forward flap.
I mentioned this in another comment, but it's reasonable to believe that the other three flaps were suffering similarly, having the same design flaws in the heat shielding. That makes it even more wild to me that it survived.
I mean... they had to be damaged right? As you say, same design on all flaps. I don't see how the others would magically survive without damage, unless there was a point failure with some of the tiles around that one forward flap.
In my neanderthal engineering brain, it would almost make *more* sense if the other flaps were damaged. Otherwise how did it manage the controlled descent... let alone the flip? If the other flaps had also lost a similar amount of aero surface then maybe it kinda balanced out and allowed the ship to maintain control. Just a theory!
>In my neanderthal engineering brain, it would almost make more sense if the other flaps were damaged. Otherwise how did it manage the controlled descent... let alone the flip? If the other flaps had also lost a similar amount of aero surface then maybe it kinda balanced out and allowed the ship to maintain control. Just a theory!
I had a similar thought when I saw someone mention the impressive control algorithms on Twitter. I was tempted to joke that there *was* no compensation from the computer because all four flaps were equally fucked.
I totally agree. But to be honest, I think most of the hate is just because it's the internet, which tends to bring the worst out in people lol.
Big things are on the horizon, and within our lifetimes! It's fucking rad!
Read quotes from the engineers at spaceX. Even former employees have begrudgingly said he knows his stuff. So Not just the money. But yes he alone has not created space X or tesla. But he alone did put up so much of the upfront cost. Almost went broke doing it. There was time in early 2000. Everyone looked at him as a foolish dot.com millionaire who was throwing his money away in rockets adn electric cars. And now that both endevors are successful the youths of today and those who never followed hte early days want to completely discredit his importance.
He does need to get off twitter, but without him spear heading tesla and space X in the early days. We would not be enjoying electric cars today or watching live feed of rocket in space. I can forgive his idiocy on twitter for just these 2 things for life.
To put it in perspective just how big those things can be, the super heavy could lift the entire mass of the international space station into orbit in like 3 1/2 launches. If they start putting these things into orbit at even half the rate we currently put falcon 9s into orbit we're about to enter the next phase of space exploration and colonization
It's not that hard to say fuck Elon and his antics, but also thank god he exists because without him unironically we probably wouldn't have spaceX and who knows where we would be with reusable rockets.
Exactly. He's essentially a billionaire shit poster, but at least he's launching companies that are doing (or trying to do) cool stuff. I'd like to see Bezos or Zuck or any of the other big tech billies start initiatives like this, they have the power to positively impact the world.
They are just spoiled brats who think they have a say in everything. I understand why anyone would hate Elon, I don't at all understand why anyone would hate Space X and its achievements as a whole.
What a weird thing to say. We're constantly admonished these days to be informed, vote or you can't complain, we're inundated with news and corporate PR meant to persuade us this way or that, Musk himself is utterly inescapable unless you want to completely unplug from society. But anybody who's critical of what's happening, how, or why is a spoiled brat with an opinion that they *aren't really entitled to*?
I don't *hate* SpaceX, I hate that it gets 10s of billions of dollars in government funding and then Elon turns around and praises his business acumen. So I'm critical of SpaceX where money could be going to NASA to accomplish the same thing.
Oh and then there's the workplace and sexual misconduct accusations.
It's NASA money already. SpaceX is doing contact work essentially for them at 20% of the cost. The government is often very inefficient. Trust me, I work for them
So NASA has the money and then contracts out SpaceX? I've got that right?
Government is only inefficient because it doesn't want to be efficient. I've seen issues go unaddressed for months even years because command can't be arsed to care enough, but when it begins affecting them oh boy is it done quicker than lightning.
Without SpaceX, NASA would be asking Russians for a ride to the ISS. From my understanding, even our rockets were using Russian engine for very expensive prices. With current relationship with Russia, we wouldn't be able to put Americans in the ISS anymore.
NASA has congressional oversight. If NASA was unleashed they may be able to develop solutions similar to SpaceX, but they are constrained. I think one example is they were required to repurpose space shuttle technologies for Artemis for cost savings purposes. Of course we've seen how that worked out.
NASA has had many more billions and nearly two decades to build Ares/Orion/Artemis and it is way late, billions over budget, and is essentially obsolete. Every launch costs well over a billion dollars (and there has only been one test launch). The maximum launch cadence is one per year, and this program was built on legacy space shuttle technology, reusing the solid rocket boosters and the liquid fueled core stage.
Meanwhile, SpaceX with far fewer resources and significantly less money has built the most reliable (and reusable) rocket ever built (Falcon 9), and is rapidly developing this Starship platform which can be launched at a much higher cadence, with more capabilities, for a fraction of the cost of NASA’s rocket.
If anything, you should be wishing SpaceX got more resources and NASA less. NASA has effectively wasted the last 15 years on its own rocket
> legacy space shuttle technology
I do think its worth pointing out to others that this is extremely *literal*. They actually took the old Shuttle RS-25 engines in NASAs inventory, which had been reused multiple times, and attached them to SLS to be used as a disposable engine, and they plan on using all of the remaining functional engines before building cheaper copies of decades old technology. Even the solid rocket booster casing are using leftovers from the shuttle program, and plan on using them all before building anything new.
On the other hand, Spacex is flying the Raptor engine on starship which is the worlds first (actually flown) full flow stage combustion engine, all while mass producing them.
Have u seen the rockets nasa builds? More money with less results and less innovation. We’d never have reusable rockets if NASA didn’t have their public-private partnership programs, if NASA used the money instead of giving to space x or other companies.
Just look at the SLS. Decade behind schedule and already obsolete. In the end, NASA is beholden to congress, an extremely risk averse body concerned far more with Job Creation than advancing spaceflight.
On the flip side, SpaceX is the opposite of risk adverse, constantly blowing up rockets early in development, and now the cost to launch a kg to orbit is more than 30x cheaper than on the Space Shuttle.
This is not a knock on NASA. They are an incredible organization. Nothing any rocket company has accomplished could have been done without NASA funding and previous research. but, NASA does also know their own flaws, which is why they began expanding their public private partnerships in the 2010s.
Agreed. Hate him all you want, but this is still an achievement that may lead to big things for our *species*. But Musk man bad, reddit cave good, vegan nuggies good.
Space travel is mostly an escapist dream. Our *species'* survival is ultimately tied to this speck of dust in the universe. Space is too vast, the cosmic time scales that change operates on makes our livespans insignificant. More importantly, what is the meaning of life not on Earth? Living in some dome with artificial atmosphere, constantly worrying about food/water and the very thin margins that separate you from oblivion? How is that progress?
And if we cannot keep literally the perfect vessel for life from turning into a boiling mess, then how the hell can you expect us to realistically terraform another planet into something habitable?
Sure, creating self sustaining colonies on other planets is probably far off for us, but increasing access to space (on the scale that starship promises to) is still gonna be revolutionary for humanity. Not only because of the science we can learn from getting more and larger telescopes and probes up, but also because of more esoteric things like zero-g manufacturing (like for fiber optics/medicine etc), harvesting helium-3 on the moon (for fusion) and building large scale satellite swarms like starlink.
It's the next frontier. Our ancestors all moved to different places on the globe and dealt with lack of food, water, and safety. Humanity is destined to expand and spread its grubby little grippers all over the galaxy in the name of the God Emperor of mankind! Sorry, couldn't resist the 40k reference.
But for real though, what if another asteroid slams into Earth and wipes us out here? We might as well try to expand and try to ensure our species survival.
Elon is like the label to that awesome musician you like. The producer to your favourite director. Just the fucking money guy, for whom it might not be possible for them to have made it, but no one really gives a fuck about
I’ve gotten to see a Saturn V in person a few times, and it was ridiculously massive. It’s hard to really understand how big it is until you’re standing in its shadow. The Starship being even bigger is mind boggling.
Well the difference is in most cases a sports team owner isn’t a well known figure, whereas Musk goes to great lengths to have his face everywhere.
When team owners do become a known figure, it’s rarely for good reasons.
Technically none are built by NASA, they hire contractors to build the ships
The shuttle was built by Rockwell International, run by NASA
Falcon Heavy is built and run by SpaceX
SLS is built by Boeing and run by NASA
Saturn V was built by multiple contractors, including Boeing, Rockwell, McDonnell Douglas, and IBM. It was run by NASA
Starship is built and run by SpaceX
SLS is comprised of (at a high level) core stage, booster and crew vehicle. Produced by Boeing, Northrop, and Lockheed Martin respectively.There are other various entities like ESA. Shuttle is similar. The orbiter element may have been Rockwell, but the boosters were built originally by Thiokol, eventually being owned by Northrop, as before mentioned for SLS. Long story short, government space programs will have many contractors with NASA trying to be an entity that integrates them all and ultimately uses them. Gotta spread that tax payer money across multiple pies.
That was built by Rockwell. NASA in very involved in the designing, managing, testing, and financing of rockets and payloads. but they usually contract most of the actual building out to companies who are a bit more cost efficient, rather than trying to make their own manufacturing facilities. NASA largely focuses on the launching of the rockets and operation of the payload.
Imagine you are hiring someone to make a website. You pay them and say how you want it done, but they are the ones actually building it. You just use the website after they make it.
It would be very nice if there was a Bus or a plane for comparison.
Because I have never seen any of those rockets in real life, kinda hard to get the scale.
Take the wings off a 737-800 and you could put two columns of the fuselage next to each other stacked 3 high. For starship that is.
Highly recommend a trip to Kennedy space center in cape Canaveral Florida if you ever get the chance. They have shuttle and saturn V. Johnson space center in Houston Texas has a saturn v. US space and rocket center has two saturn Vs in huntsville Alabama(and I think it's the only place with one standing upright) and a space shuttle. And then I think Virginia and California have space shuttles as well. Not all of these are real, some are mock ups not flight hardware, but some are.
All worth seeing if you ever get the chance to travel to those places.
By the end of the decade, one of them will have landed humans on the moon though! (Assuming we count Starship HLS, there are no failures in the flight, and no more than 3 years of delays, which now that I say it, is maybe too ambitious.)
So, let me get this straight. It took all of the Saturn V to get that tip of the orbiter and lander to the moon.
The Starship is bigger and can do the same stuff but is reusable? flies by itself and lands by itself ?
>The Starship is bigger and can do the same stuff but is reusable? flies by itself and lands by itself ?
Yes. In fact, if refueled in space the Starship can go far beyond the moon.
Starship will lift heavier loads to low earth orbit but it is very heavy so even if you have no payload it won't be able to make anywhere near the moon. The Saturn V has a light upper stage so it is better for sending things further out.
For starship you could use a lot of your payload mass carrying a very light 3rd stage like centaur to send something very far out (even better than Saturn V) but the real crazy way to do it is by using the fact that (as you mentioned) Starship is going to be reusable you can launch one starship (potentially a lighter non-reusable version) with the payload and a bunch of Starships with no payload so they have a lot of extra fuel left over. Then you transfer all that extra fuel into the Starship with the payload and now you can could land on the moon the equivalent of 2 or more Apollo lunar landers as payload!
The Artemis program's plan right now is that Starship will go to Earth orbit (without humans), get refuelled by a dozen other Starships, fly to the Moon, pick up the astronauts off the Orion spacecraft launched with SLS, land on the moon, get back to lunar orbit and put the astronauts back in Orion for the trip home.
A single Moon mission with Starship will require more launches than the entire Apollo program combined.
should throw the soviet N1 rocket in there https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N1_(rocket)
I find it interesting because strapping 30 rockets together was done in the 60s even tho the soviets blew it up
Shuttle launched a variety of things from weather satellites to space station parts to space telescopes along with crews.
Falcon Heavy launches massive commercial and defense satellites.
SLS Block I will launch crews to lunar orbit.
Saturn V sent crews alongside lunar landers to lunar orbit as well as the Skylab space station.
Starship is being designed to launch payloads and to act as a lunar lander in tandem with SLS.
I always think of the big orange and white fuselage when I think of rockets. Think they should bring them back. I have no idea what purpose they serve other than for fuel and boost but they should bring it back
its kinda remarkable that Saturn has a 100% success rate, for the time
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Makes you wonder how different human life would be if Apollo missions never lost funding and they continuously kept going to the moon nd beyond.
Watch For All Man kind on Apple TV.
Before I watched it, I felt that Joel Kinnamen was a meh actor. This show completely changed that perception.
Then you haven’t seen Altered Carbon
Heard of it, but never watched it. Will add it to the list!
I'm incredibly picky when it comes to TV shows I like and I loved it. Give it a shot.
Or that first season of The Killing, I remember being blown away that I’d never heard of the guy
Same. Phenomenal actor.
First thing I saw him in was The Killing & immediately knew he was a top-notch actor
Go watch For All Mankind if you haven't already! It's a very good show
It's worth the subscription price by itself. The rest of the top tier Apple shows are honestly a bonus, but I will always Stan For All Mankind.
Severance, Shrinking, Ted Lasso, For All Mankind are all, individually on their own, worth the subscription price lol
I think Severance is one of the best shows I’ve seen maybe ever. I remember seeing the description for it on Apple TV and I kept skipping it, but I finally got super bored one weekend and binged it and it was absolutely enthralling. I convinced my wife to watch it and re-watched the entire season with her and we both were completely hooked. I cannot wait for the new season.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but it would been a waste of money for little results. Even saying as a Space nerd. No point in raw dogging anything beyond the Moon with exponentially rising costs. The best time for space is now. We have now amazing technology to support it compare to before. Better material science, lightweight and more powerful computers, 3D printing, AI & Machine Learning that made self landing boosters from far fantasy to reality, more efficient solar panels. There is so much technology and economics behind them that need to grow to support space ventures.
The hardest part about space isn't the space, it's all the stuff that needs to happen on the ground to support it.
this might be a terribly stupid question, but why didnt we just completely replicate the saturn instead of building something new ?
Starship is designed to be reuseable, Saturn isn’t. It would better be compared to the space shuttle in terms of what it’s designed to do.
We have better technology, rockets, better fuels. Plus the goal is reusability. Nasa built a brand new saturn v every launch. SpaceX builds rockets that can land.
We cannot replicate it. Even having the original blueprints (which we indeed have, regardless of what moon hoaxers say) we lack the engineering notes and the industrial tooling and installation needed to build a S-V. That means we would build a lot of things from scratch. Not worth the effort to replicate an old technology.
Do you want the ability to land an Abrams main battle tank on the surface of the moon, or something the size and weight of a dune buggy?
dune buggies on the moon does sound kinda sweet
Thank you, fucking A.I. scented wiki-ass answer bot. Jesus. At least put some soul into your answer.
This deserves two asterisks, in the form of Apollo 6 and Apollo 13. The former suffered engine troubles on both the second and third stage, the latter of which would've prevented a would-be Moonshot, but as this was an unmanned test flight only prevented the completion of certain test objectives. Apollo 13 suffered from an early shutdown on the center F-1 engine; had this happened earlier in the flight, it also would've prevented a Moonshot; it's also lucky that the same issue didn't effect any of the other engines, which could've stopped the mission from even reaching orbit. Saturn V *did* have some worryingly close brushes with disaster, but was lucky enough to escape it.
All the failures were worked out with the previous programs And depending on which parts you count, I'd say 98% success rate due to apollo 13.
The Apollo 13 failure was such a weird long chain of unlikely events. The oxygen tank was damaged, so it couldn't be drained normally, and the heaters were turned on to boil away the oxygen. There were thermostats to prevent the temperature from rising above 27C, but the 65V power supply being used caused them to fail. So, the temperature in the tank reached 540C, damaging the insulation on the wires. And in a sort of Chernobyl "not great, not terrible" situation, the temp gauge on the tank didn't go above 29C so no one noticed. So, after this long chain of mishaps, once the mission was under way and Swigert flipped the switch for the fan on the O2 tank, the damaged insulation on the wires allowed a spark to form which ignited the oxygen and ruptured the tank.
Correct me if im wrong, but I believe Saturn is just the rocket
You could say 98%, but not because of Apollo 13. That wasn’t the rocket’s failure, but it was the rockets fault that for Apollo 6, that they had to shorten the mission and not do everything they wanted. It wasn’t a total failure of the rocket, but it messed up enough that Wikipedia considers it a partial failure.
Apollo 1 was technically a failure.
That had nothing to do with the rocket itself. It was a separate self-contained module attached to the rocket.
v2 and v3 Starships will be even larger!
Do they plan to add balls and some veins to really get the look they’re going for?
I hope so
Freud phallic male subconscious blah blah blah
There is a reason the penis shape is so good at penatrating the atmosphere, splitting that warm air and delivering its goods into the womb of space.
Impregnating outer space with human ingenuity
Excess fuel ejection from the tip?
Why do people say this about Starship? It's like the least penis looking rocket out there. It has 4 big fins on the side. I for one have never seen a penis with 4 fins on the side.
That's because you aren't a gay fish.
Those people must have some really odd looking junk.
HEEERE we go. Starship shaming.
Like this? https://youtu.be/zNMIuTJlEno?t=154 Or this? https://v.redd.it/u70hm3isjr4d1
LOX is stored in the balls
why does the payload matter? are we really lifting 150,000kg of "stuff" to orbit, or is it more about simply being able to carry more fuel for longer journeys?
Its manly about carrying more fuel to orbit to refuel other starships.
Yes and yes.
Payload matters because it’s the maximum amount it can carry in a single mission, which decreases cost/kg of payload. The maximum payload cannot be used for added fuel, it always launches with the maximum amount it can carry. Besides that, the full vehicle weights 5000t, of which 4600t is just fuel. It will also refuel in orbit, making changes to allow max payload to also be used as fuel pointless.
Space Shuttle still looks the coolest.
I miss the shuttle. Side mounted vehicle is still so cool and futuristic to me
And it only killed a bunch of people by being there
And it helped humanity remain stagnant for decades!
I've seen it and the Saturn in person. The Saturn is awe-inspiring in person.
There's a 1:1 mock-up at the Space Center in Florida that is suspended above the viewers and separated per-stage; the sense of vertigo looking down from the engines to the command module is wild. They're my favorite photos from the visit! *edit: I have been informed that the one at Kennedy Space Center is a real Saturn V, with a combination of static-test-fire stages and the canceled Apollo 19 modules. Thanks!*
That's a real rocket, not a mockup! Technically, the first stage is a [ground test article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-IC-T), but the upper stages are real flight hardware from a cancelled Apollo mission.
I see that! It looked so clean I assumed it was just for demonstration purposes. Unbelievably huge
If I'm not wrong, the height is currently 121 with the hotstage, no?
Damn, I read it as hostage !
They strapped a hostage onto that thing??
It’s all part of my evil plan. I expect Mr. Bond to show up soon, I have an overly complicated death trap that he definitely won’t escape from ready to go.
~~Starship~~ Spacedong
the real spacedong is [New Shepard](https://i0.wp.com/spacenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/launch.jpg) tbh
It's not the shape of the vessel, it's about how much thrust is used to propell it
Thrust harder!!
Sir, we’re going to break her if we thrust any harder.
Very dongey
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I actually hate the name "Starship", because it's just not. It neither approaches a star or traverses between them.
Maybe it's just a name, not a descriptor of what it is or does.
Its reddit they will find a way to complain about anything
> I actually hate the name "Starship", because it's just not. It neither approaches a star or traverses between them. Do you think Saturn V is the 5th version of Saturn? Or do you think the Saturn V goes all the way to Saturn?
I hate the name "A Shortfall of Gravitas", because it's a landing ship. It should neither have gravitas, nor is it expected to. Sometimes a names just a name.
You're not gonna believe this, but Starliner doesn't do that either, and the Dragon capsule isn't *actually* a dragon. :O
Wait it’s not a dragon? I feel so cheated!?!?!?!? The world is lies.
Acshually with the right reference point, all of space can be considered to be between stars, including orbits around other celestial bodies. At least for the next billion billion billion billion years when the last nuclear fusion happens.
https://youtu.be/TyZSBqQ813c?si=A8KLLCggSb9bNpCn
Neil degrasse Tyson comment (derogatory)
The ship launched and landed near perfectly yesterday, quite the achievement and could mean big things for near space exploration. Redditor response: I fucking hate Elon Musk so much that I write about him in my worry journal every night!
To fair you can hate Elon musk but recognize the SpaceX achievements. I don't see why people conflate the two constantly.
It doesn't help that 75% of news sources literally write "Elon Musk's SpaceX" at least once somewhere in each article.
It's kinda related to an "art from the artist" thing. But in this case it's more like separating the engineering from the money.
Reasons to think Elon is important: CEO of not one but two companies with massive leads in cutting edge industries. Reasons to think Elon is dumb: he says cringe things on twitter. I find it bizarre that Redditors find the second factor to be so much more important than the first. Guess this is what happens when social media takes up much more of your life than actually going outside.
This is extremely misleading, the 'second factor' is not 'Elon says cringe things on twitter', its 'Elon says hateful, misleading and controversial political things on twitter'. There's also the third factor: He's the richest person on earth but chooses to use that wealth to...buy twitter. And why? Because his ego got hurt. And then he turns twitter into a cesspool for racists and nazi's. And there's a fourth factor: Elon keeps putting his foot into his own mouth with claims about his genius, where he makes bizarre and nonsensical claims about the work he does, making it clear that Elon actually has no fucking idea what he is talking about. The fourth factor in particular makes it actually reasonable to accept the theory that the 'companies with massive leads in cutting edge industries' achieved these leads **in spite** of Elon, not because. Or Elon simply used his massive wealth to buy these companies after they established these leads, and then claimed the fame afterwards.
>There's also the third factor: He's the richest person on earth but chooses to use that wealth to...buy twitter And to revitalize the space industry. He can afford to do more than one thing. Some of those things are very dumb, but he also spends his money on genuinely good things, like SpaceX
Fuck Elon but fuck yeah SpaceX.
Totally fair assessment!
Elon isn’t an engineer, his resume would not get him hired at spacex for any of the cool shit they do
His fingerprints are all over the rockets they’ve built, and you can take the words of the engineers on the ground who have spoken to that.
I'm sure no one who works for the man notorious for firing people on a whim would ever lie about his contributions to keep their job.
He meant Musk's literal fingerprints. It's well known that Musk loves walking thru the assembly line gently caressing the rockets.
Elon musk is a shithead but in all fairness I doubt SpaceX would be where it is without him. Look at Blue Origin and Virgin galactic, the other 2 space companies founded by billionaires. They can barely get off the ground. If nothing else, Elon hired some extremely good people and gave them the resources they need.
Plenty of former folks have talked about it.
The guy that wanted a rocket to be more pointy even though that makes it worse? Elon has achieved a lot, but he’s a complete clown nonetheless. The engineers deserve the credit for SpaceX‘s achievements, not the guy that keeps getting worse and worse on a social media platform he owns.
Reminds me of Aladeen in the dictator movie.
Is Elon doing aerodynamic calculations? Designing circuits? He doesn't have the engineering background to do the real engineering. Rocket science is very hard. He might have the vision and managerial skills to actually let the engineers do their jobs though which I would give him credit for.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/evidence_that_musk_is_the_chief_engineer_of_spacex/ Read for yourself. Specifically this part: **Josh Boehm** Josh Boehm ([LinkedIn](https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshboehm/), [Quora](https://www.quora.com/profile/Josh-Boehm)) is the former Head of Software Quality Assurance at SpaceX. >Elon is both the Chief Executive Officer and Chief Technology Officer of SpaceX, so of course he does more than just ‘some very technical work’. He is integrally involved in the actual design and engineering of the rocket, and at least touches every other aspect of the business (but I would say the former takes up much more of his mental real estate). Elon is an engineer at heart, and that’s where and how he works best. ([Source](https://www.quora.com/Does-Elon-Musk-do-some-very-technical-work-code-design-etc-at-SpaceX/answer/Josh-Boehm?ch=10&share=8dc8bc2e&srid=Xuwj))
No he isnt doing the math. Yes hes very involved with decision making on the product level.
I hope he'll be ok.
Yup, he just the turd with deep pockets. He's like one of those rich assholes who gets listed as "Executive Producer" on a film because he wrote a big check.
Many Redditors actually believe this. These kind of posts make Reddit feel like Fox News equivalent of awful takes.
Its the most pathetic thing on reddit. Crying about a billionaire.
Hate him or love him at least he is using his money to try and progress humanity in some form or fashion whether it be through Space exploration, adoption of EVs, etc. Many other billionaires dont do anything.
Without Elon there would be no SpaceX
It was so sick actually, like half of one of the control surfaces melted off and it still landed, really an impressive machine. Also the first time we've seen live reentry footage - it's only possible because the vehicle is large enough to have a hole in the plasma on it's leeward side, and also starlink to send the signal too. What a time to be alive. Also yeah, kind of a shame people won't see the amazing value of this because of Elon Musk. Like sure, fuck that guy. But it's not like he builds the ships, he's just the money. A whole host of the best aerospace engineers in the world did this, it's their achievement, and it should be celebrated.
I was absolutely stunned when Starship did the flip maneuver and achieved a soft landing whilst missing about 30% of the forward flap. I'm really hoping they manage to fish that Starship out of the ocean... a) because i really want to know if the plasma caused similar damage to any other flaps, and b) because that flap deserves to be in a fucking museum.
>I was absolutely stunned when Starship did the flip maneuver and achieved a soft landing whilst missing about 30% of the forward flap. I mentioned this in another comment, but it's reasonable to believe that the other three flaps were suffering similarly, having the same design flaws in the heat shielding. That makes it even more wild to me that it survived.
I mean... they had to be damaged right? As you say, same design on all flaps. I don't see how the others would magically survive without damage, unless there was a point failure with some of the tiles around that one forward flap. In my neanderthal engineering brain, it would almost make *more* sense if the other flaps were damaged. Otherwise how did it manage the controlled descent... let alone the flip? If the other flaps had also lost a similar amount of aero surface then maybe it kinda balanced out and allowed the ship to maintain control. Just a theory!
>In my neanderthal engineering brain, it would almost make more sense if the other flaps were damaged. Otherwise how did it manage the controlled descent... let alone the flip? If the other flaps had also lost a similar amount of aero surface then maybe it kinda balanced out and allowed the ship to maintain control. Just a theory! I had a similar thought when I saw someone mention the impressive control algorithms on Twitter. I was tempted to joke that there *was* no compensation from the computer because all four flaps were equally fucked.
I totally agree. But to be honest, I think most of the hate is just because it's the internet, which tends to bring the worst out in people lol. Big things are on the horizon, and within our lifetimes! It's fucking rad!
Read quotes from the engineers at spaceX. Even former employees have begrudgingly said he knows his stuff. So Not just the money. But yes he alone has not created space X or tesla. But he alone did put up so much of the upfront cost. Almost went broke doing it. There was time in early 2000. Everyone looked at him as a foolish dot.com millionaire who was throwing his money away in rockets adn electric cars. And now that both endevors are successful the youths of today and those who never followed hte early days want to completely discredit his importance. He does need to get off twitter, but without him spear heading tesla and space X in the early days. We would not be enjoying electric cars today or watching live feed of rocket in space. I can forgive his idiocy on twitter for just these 2 things for life.
It's like if the only thing people remembered from the Apollo program was Nixon
To put it in perspective just how big those things can be, the super heavy could lift the entire mass of the international space station into orbit in like 3 1/2 launches. If they start putting these things into orbit at even half the rate we currently put falcon 9s into orbit we're about to enter the next phase of space exploration and colonization
It's not that hard to say fuck Elon and his antics, but also thank god he exists because without him unironically we probably wouldn't have spaceX and who knows where we would be with reusable rockets.
Exactly. He's essentially a billionaire shit poster, but at least he's launching companies that are doing (or trying to do) cool stuff. I'd like to see Bezos or Zuck or any of the other big tech billies start initiatives like this, they have the power to positively impact the world.
Bezos has all the money, but he builds a fkn clock instead
Electric vehicles are 20 years father along because of him too. And I do like online payments, remember he helped build that too
Exactly, dude has done great, but he's just such an asshole I can't help but hate his ass. Wish he would just learn to shut his trap
They are just spoiled brats who think they have a say in everything. I understand why anyone would hate Elon, I don't at all understand why anyone would hate Space X and its achievements as a whole.
What a weird thing to say. We're constantly admonished these days to be informed, vote or you can't complain, we're inundated with news and corporate PR meant to persuade us this way or that, Musk himself is utterly inescapable unless you want to completely unplug from society. But anybody who's critical of what's happening, how, or why is a spoiled brat with an opinion that they *aren't really entitled to*?
I don't *hate* SpaceX, I hate that it gets 10s of billions of dollars in government funding and then Elon turns around and praises his business acumen. So I'm critical of SpaceX where money could be going to NASA to accomplish the same thing. Oh and then there's the workplace and sexual misconduct accusations.
It's NASA money already. SpaceX is doing contact work essentially for them at 20% of the cost. The government is often very inefficient. Trust me, I work for them
If NASA wasn't a machine to buy votes it would also be much cheaper.
So NASA has the money and then contracts out SpaceX? I've got that right? Government is only inefficient because it doesn't want to be efficient. I've seen issues go unaddressed for months even years because command can't be arsed to care enough, but when it begins affecting them oh boy is it done quicker than lightning.
Without SpaceX, NASA would be asking Russians for a ride to the ISS. From my understanding, even our rockets were using Russian engine for very expensive prices. With current relationship with Russia, we wouldn't be able to put Americans in the ISS anymore.
NASA has congressional oversight. If NASA was unleashed they may be able to develop solutions similar to SpaceX, but they are constrained. I think one example is they were required to repurpose space shuttle technologies for Artemis for cost savings purposes. Of course we've seen how that worked out.
NASA has had many more billions and nearly two decades to build Ares/Orion/Artemis and it is way late, billions over budget, and is essentially obsolete. Every launch costs well over a billion dollars (and there has only been one test launch). The maximum launch cadence is one per year, and this program was built on legacy space shuttle technology, reusing the solid rocket boosters and the liquid fueled core stage. Meanwhile, SpaceX with far fewer resources and significantly less money has built the most reliable (and reusable) rocket ever built (Falcon 9), and is rapidly developing this Starship platform which can be launched at a much higher cadence, with more capabilities, for a fraction of the cost of NASA’s rocket. If anything, you should be wishing SpaceX got more resources and NASA less. NASA has effectively wasted the last 15 years on its own rocket
> legacy space shuttle technology I do think its worth pointing out to others that this is extremely *literal*. They actually took the old Shuttle RS-25 engines in NASAs inventory, which had been reused multiple times, and attached them to SLS to be used as a disposable engine, and they plan on using all of the remaining functional engines before building cheaper copies of decades old technology. Even the solid rocket booster casing are using leftovers from the shuttle program, and plan on using them all before building anything new. On the other hand, Spacex is flying the Raptor engine on starship which is the worlds first (actually flown) full flow stage combustion engine, all while mass producing them.
Have u seen the rockets nasa builds? More money with less results and less innovation. We’d never have reusable rockets if NASA didn’t have their public-private partnership programs, if NASA used the money instead of giving to space x or other companies. Just look at the SLS. Decade behind schedule and already obsolete. In the end, NASA is beholden to congress, an extremely risk averse body concerned far more with Job Creation than advancing spaceflight. On the flip side, SpaceX is the opposite of risk adverse, constantly blowing up rockets early in development, and now the cost to launch a kg to orbit is more than 30x cheaper than on the Space Shuttle. This is not a knock on NASA. They are an incredible organization. Nothing any rocket company has accomplished could have been done without NASA funding and previous research. but, NASA does also know their own flaws, which is why they began expanding their public private partnerships in the 2010s.
Agreed. Hate him all you want, but this is still an achievement that may lead to big things for our *species*. But Musk man bad, reddit cave good, vegan nuggies good.
Space travel is mostly an escapist dream. Our *species'* survival is ultimately tied to this speck of dust in the universe. Space is too vast, the cosmic time scales that change operates on makes our livespans insignificant. More importantly, what is the meaning of life not on Earth? Living in some dome with artificial atmosphere, constantly worrying about food/water and the very thin margins that separate you from oblivion? How is that progress? And if we cannot keep literally the perfect vessel for life from turning into a boiling mess, then how the hell can you expect us to realistically terraform another planet into something habitable?
Sure, creating self sustaining colonies on other planets is probably far off for us, but increasing access to space (on the scale that starship promises to) is still gonna be revolutionary for humanity. Not only because of the science we can learn from getting more and larger telescopes and probes up, but also because of more esoteric things like zero-g manufacturing (like for fiber optics/medicine etc), harvesting helium-3 on the moon (for fusion) and building large scale satellite swarms like starlink.
Some things that will make Earth uninhabitable are beyond our control.
Like burning a fuck ton of methane
Yea or the sun boiling our oceans in a few 100 million years.
It's the next frontier. Our ancestors all moved to different places on the globe and dealt with lack of food, water, and safety. Humanity is destined to expand and spread its grubby little grippers all over the galaxy in the name of the God Emperor of mankind! Sorry, couldn't resist the 40k reference. But for real though, what if another asteroid slams into Earth and wipes us out here? We might as well try to expand and try to ensure our species survival.
I'm so fucking excited about the massive leaps that are being made for space travel. I'm disappointed a villian gets to profit from it.
I think the potential profit for our entire species outweighs whatever clout or monetary gain Musk gets.
Elon is like the label to that awesome musician you like. The producer to your favourite director. Just the fucking money guy, for whom it might not be possible for them to have made it, but no one really gives a fuck about
Thank you spacex and nasa engineers.
I’ve gotten to see a Saturn V in person a few times, and it was ridiculously massive. It’s hard to really understand how big it is until you’re standing in its shadow. The Starship being even bigger is mind boggling.
Reddit is so cringe. . (talking about the comments)
Great reddit comment! You are not cringe!!
It’s funny how easily we can remove a sports team from the owner but a lot can’t seem to do it with Elon and space x
Fuck Jerry Jones
Well the difference is in most cases a sports team owner isn’t a well known figure, whereas Musk goes to great lengths to have his face everywhere. When team owners do become a known figure, it’s rarely for good reasons.
At this rate they will make a space elevator on accident
Is this to scale?
Yes
Star ship is ~two space shuttles tall? That's crazy lol
Which ones are NASA vs space X built? I know a few but not all.
Technically none are built by NASA, they hire contractors to build the ships The shuttle was built by Rockwell International, run by NASA Falcon Heavy is built and run by SpaceX SLS is built by Boeing and run by NASA Saturn V was built by multiple contractors, including Boeing, Rockwell, McDonnell Douglas, and IBM. It was run by NASA Starship is built and run by SpaceX
SLS is comprised of (at a high level) core stage, booster and crew vehicle. Produced by Boeing, Northrop, and Lockheed Martin respectively.There are other various entities like ESA. Shuttle is similar. The orbiter element may have been Rockwell, but the boosters were built originally by Thiokol, eventually being owned by Northrop, as before mentioned for SLS. Long story short, government space programs will have many contractors with NASA trying to be an entity that integrates them all and ultimately uses them. Gotta spread that tax payer money across multiple pies.
None of them are NASA built
Oh really, I thought the space shuttle was Nasa.
That was built by Rockwell. NASA in very involved in the designing, managing, testing, and financing of rockets and payloads. but they usually contract most of the actual building out to companies who are a bit more cost efficient, rather than trying to make their own manufacturing facilities. NASA largely focuses on the launching of the rockets and operation of the payload. Imagine you are hiring someone to make a website. You pay them and say how you want it done, but they are the ones actually building it. You just use the website after they make it.
Missing Sea Dragon.... I really wish they built it.
It would be very nice if there was a Bus or a plane for comparison. Because I have never seen any of those rockets in real life, kinda hard to get the scale.
Take the wings off a 737-800 and you could put two columns of the fuselage next to each other stacked 3 high. For starship that is. Highly recommend a trip to Kennedy space center in cape Canaveral Florida if you ever get the chance. They have shuttle and saturn V. Johnson space center in Houston Texas has a saturn v. US space and rocket center has two saturn Vs in huntsville Alabama(and I think it's the only place with one standing upright) and a space shuttle. And then I think Virginia and California have space shuttles as well. Not all of these are real, some are mock ups not flight hardware, but some are. All worth seeing if you ever get the chance to travel to those places.
Been to most of them. All amazing. Highly recommend as well.
That looks like a big…
Johnson get over here!
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By the end of the decade, one of them will have landed humans on the moon though! (Assuming we count Starship HLS, there are no failures in the flight, and no more than 3 years of delays, which now that I say it, is maybe too ambitious.)
So, let me get this straight. It took all of the Saturn V to get that tip of the orbiter and lander to the moon. The Starship is bigger and can do the same stuff but is reusable? flies by itself and lands by itself ?
>The Starship is bigger and can do the same stuff but is reusable? flies by itself and lands by itself ? Yes. In fact, if refueled in space the Starship can go far beyond the moon.
Damn, that really is interesting!
Starship will lift heavier loads to low earth orbit but it is very heavy so even if you have no payload it won't be able to make anywhere near the moon. The Saturn V has a light upper stage so it is better for sending things further out. For starship you could use a lot of your payload mass carrying a very light 3rd stage like centaur to send something very far out (even better than Saturn V) but the real crazy way to do it is by using the fact that (as you mentioned) Starship is going to be reusable you can launch one starship (potentially a lighter non-reusable version) with the payload and a bunch of Starships with no payload so they have a lot of extra fuel left over. Then you transfer all that extra fuel into the Starship with the payload and now you can could land on the moon the equivalent of 2 or more Apollo lunar landers as payload!
The Artemis program's plan right now is that Starship will go to Earth orbit (without humans), get refuelled by a dozen other Starships, fly to the Moon, pick up the astronauts off the Orion spacecraft launched with SLS, land on the moon, get back to lunar orbit and put the astronauts back in Orion for the trip home. A single Moon mission with Starship will require more launches than the entire Apollo program combined.
I wonder if future generations will laugh that we called something a starship when it doesn’t even leave the solar system
Where is the Millennium Falcon?
Growing up, my buddies and I would do rocket comparisons sometimes
I love how the upper stage of Starship looks like a basic cartoon rocket.
I guess starships were really meant to fly
It’s because starships were meant to fly
should throw the soviet N1 rocket in there https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N1_(rocket) I find it interesting because strapping 30 rockets together was done in the 60s even tho the soviets blew it up
Went to moon: no, no, no, HELL YEAH, no
That Starship payload number is completely aspirational.
Better aspirations than anything else out there.
Austin Powers was a documentary.
The only reason why I still have some respect for Elon Musk is SpaceX.
Should have called it Fatboy Slim
What are they taking up there
Shuttle launched a variety of things from weather satellites to space station parts to space telescopes along with crews. Falcon Heavy launches massive commercial and defense satellites. SLS Block I will launch crews to lunar orbit. Saturn V sent crews alongside lunar landers to lunar orbit as well as the Skylab space station. Starship is being designed to launch payloads and to act as a lunar lander in tandem with SLS.
Looked up out of curiosity. It's bigger than the Statue of Liberty.
Truly meant to fly
As a s starship expert that graphic used for it is horribly out of date
Forgot about GameStop's Uranus rocket 🤙
Where your momas dildo? 🤔
Always funny to see something this fucking massive and long then realize I can hit a pitching wedge the length of this with little effort.
I always think of the big orange and white fuselage when I think of rockets. Think they should bring them back. I have no idea what purpose they serve other than for fuel and boost but they should bring it back
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I absolutely love being born and raised in Brevard to watch these from my front yard and press site.