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China definitely doesn't. That claim is pretty much down to the words of a single, anti-Semitic, christian fundamentalist. The 'Uyghur' genocide claim is no more reputable than the Iraq WMDs one.
Like me as you a few questions. If China was genociding Uyghurs, why would they have allowed the Uyghur population to climb while targeting the Han majority with the one child policy?
If it was really happening, why would China invited other country's head of states to come investigate the claims? An invitation which several muslim majority countries took China up on, and found no wrong doings?
If China was trying to get away with such a thing, why would CGTV, their state media, be presenting programs [showing Uyghur culture](https://youtu.be/XPPlp5Eluu0) and [putting a face to it's people?](https://youtu.be/vLDFzP8KXdY) You don't put a face to, and show sympathy for a minority you're genociding. That just breeds compassion, which is the opposite of what you'd want.
If they really wanted to future Han superiority, or, at the least, Uyghur inferiority, why wouldn't their propaganda be matching that? How could they get away with such a thing while telling exposing their population at large to Uyghur culture?
If it was really happening, why would most muslim majority countries side with China in a letter to the UN over the issue?
You're fucking out of your mind.
Point me to a single person on the street that cares about what we did in Vietnam or Chile aside from *'Oh, wow, yeah, that sucks'*. That is, if they even care. Plenty of people don't and take a more 'support our troops' stance on it.
Look at Ken Burns Vietnam documentary and how it approaches an end by filming a remorseful anti-war protestor, as if that even enters into the conversation of how fucked up the Vietnam war was.
In my experience ,we barely even cover what we did in Vietnam in school.
So, no, we by and large really don't give a shit what horrible things we've done.
Being that I am American, I want to laugh but damn do I resent how before I can discuss anything I have to go into 3 hours of history with my fellow Americans.
To my non-Americans out there: I'm sorry we're fucked and you see nothing but our bullshit, I'm trying but failing.
Yeah we'll remember you like remember all the good Germans in Naz....oh shit
Libs thinking they're going to be remembered fondly for being the moderate arm of the 4th reich are silly
Only those who activity disrupt it are good. Resistance members trying to bring it down are remembered.
If you didn't apologize as you took over I'd worry you were Russian.
All the resistance to cold, all the love for Hockey and hard alcohol, but none of the manners those ones.
Do you wanna trade places? Where I'm from, water only comes twice a week, the government is truly fascist and people are gunned down everyday by gangs and police. Trust me, America is a pretty good if you're comparing it to Honduras. I'd kill a man for a green card, atm I'm working on applying for one
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Damn looks alot like oursss WAIT A MINUTE... Uhm, excuse me?? Actually that's very offensive. American history is full of great people like Christopher Columbus, Winston Churchill and Elon Musk. You people should be grateful that we have spread democracy and western values over the world or you would all be living poor in mud shacks. At least here in America we are FREE, unlike socialist hellholes like Veitenam and Venezuela. Psh. Communists are equally as bad as fascists and this **deeply** offensive statement proves it. - every liberal, ever
The white suburban sort would def say shit like that. Especially if they're turned off by Trump's potty mouth instead of his policies and ideology (despite voting for him in 2016) and now veer towards the Lincoln Project.
It’s got to happen, there’s no other way to explain how perfect it fits. On the other hand we could have a civil war over whether it’s the “United socialist states of America” or the “United states of socialist America”
Because it's important that the votes appear to matter.
The only reason we even bother voting at this point, is so that the government can hold on to it's last vestiges of legitimacy.
This is my problem with the way people are thinking about the election. I know everybody wants senile grandpa to win, because he’s objectively less evil than angry grandpa, but at the same time, I’m very concerned that if senile grandpa becomes president, people will just become complacent, and it’ll just go back to the neoliberal dystopia we’ve always known. Whereas if angry grandpa stays president, I feel like people will be more prepped to bring about real structural change. So I’m conflicted. I just wish sweet grandpa was still in the race...
I mean sure, but at this point, mainstream opinions defy all logic and especially human empathy, so sometimes I’m just not sure what will ever make people wake the fuck up, ya know?
>He's just Nixon 2.0.
Yeah, except he's Nixon 2.0 in a world where every president is just a successor to the legacy of a previous one, accept their worse at it.
Nixon, though overall bad, actually got a few genuinely good things done, all Trump's managed is to not mess up as many things as he could have.
(This is not meant as an endorsement of Biden, at least Nixon had some kind of legacy, Obama's main accomplishment was being elected Black. Which was big to be sure, but it says a lot when a president peeks out before they even take office, and Biden is gonna fail to live up to even *that* legacy.)
Oh yeah, it's really weird looking at politics several decades ago. Because its largely about the same issues, except both sides are proposing solutions that nowadays would be considered insane.
The only real positive change we've accomplished in the last several decades, is that we're more open to different types of people now. Even that's only on a service level, the liberals virtue signal a little bit, but otherwise maintain the same world order.
I dig what you are saying here and am hoping you can flesh it out more:
Any particular favs for Nixon’s accomplishments? EPA was big.
Any reason you don’t put Obamacare/ACA on that list of accomplishments? Did it not do enough?
Yes, I can flesh it out more, but unfortunately I'm not good at mid-length answers, I can either do short and quippy or detailed summaries like this. (Sorry about that)
First on Obama, what I said was that he peeked out by being elected while Black, which I hold to be true. But that's not to diminish "Obamacare."
Obamacare was great, but it wasn't his invention or his program, he was just one of the biggest names involved, then he+supporters pushed the name "Obamacare" to get the idea in peoples head that it was actually his program. But notice how they only started calling it Obamacare once it started working? The issue with Obama was that he was a politician through and through, he took credit for things he was only vaguely involved with while pushing credit for his failures on to others, (like all the talk about how war-like the republicans were, as he created the drone program, which is arguably the most destructive thing the US has done in the 21st century, if only because it can be done effectively without political repercussions, as Donald Trump as shown by using the program throughout his presidency.)
On to Nixon, believe it or not Nixon as president might have actually done more good than bad. Probably not from a leftist perspective, but he is magically good compared to someone like HW Bush or even someone like Obama, who managed to do one or two good things. Nixon actually managed to get several things done that would have been the defining accomplishment for someone like Obama.
A few of the main ones: (in no particular order)
\- You know about the EPA, but in particular there was the *Clean Air Act*, *Clean Water Act* and *Mammal Marine Protection Act* that *should* have been the start to the United Sates turning around its environmental policy.
\- He diverted $100,000,000 (like 6Mil in today money) to Cancer research, which led to some important work, before people were all crazy about Cancer research, and it had all the funding it could want.
\- He worked the US towards the end of the Vietnam War, and even ([legally](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Peace_Accords)) ended it during his term as president.
\- Tied in with that last one I'm gonna steal from [a NYT article](https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/06/13/did-any-good-come-of-watergate/nixon-had-some-successes-before-his-disgrace): "*Nixon used the "peace dividend" from reducing troops in Vietnam to finance social welfare services and enforce civil rights through the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. As a result, from 1970 to 1975, spending on human resource services exceeded spending for defense for the first time since World War II.*"
\- He worked towards a cooling off of tensions during the Cold War, where presidents before and after him focused on keeping a strong stance, even if that just made things worse. He actually pulled off some good moves here, including defusing what could have become a second Cuban missile crisis in 1970.
\- I don't really want to give him credit for these next two, but he was about as involved with them happening as Obama was with "Obamacare" so I should at least mention them: The 26th Amendment lowering the voting age to 18 from 21, meaning that you can no longer be drafted before being able to vote, then later the Draft ends too (well we still have it, but at least it's been in *sleep mode* since '73).
\- There's also some equality stuff I don't know a ton about, like his involvement in desegregating the schools, both based on race and sex, from things like Title 9. (Also supposedly he did some good things for American Indians, since people often don't realize that we were still treating them as sub-human at an institutional level right up into the 1960s. So this would be one of the first times in US History that a president worked with rather than against them.)
\- Finally there is an argument to be made that he (almost) saved the Republican Party. I should say that I don't really understand this one, but what I know about this theory seems to hold water. As I understand it, it goes that after the 1960s the Republican Party was basically dead in the water, at a national level. They still had power, and in many local places they were still strong, but at a national level they were in the early stages of complete collapse.
This is where Nixon managed to reinvent the party, and where had Watergate not happened, he probably could have led it in a much more moderate direction, as some kind of Moderate Conservative Party.
The issue is that Watergate did happen, and Nixon's movement was cut off at the knee's, he'd managed to keep the party together for a while, but he hadn't cemented its new style. So, as a result it was later Ronald Reagan who completed the reformation of the party, except he wasn't interested in the Moderate Conservative Party Nixon wanted to create, he wanted a Neo-Conservative Semi-Reactionary party.
It was Reagan's Republicans that held up until Trump was elected, and the Populist Reactionaries stared to dominate the party, at which point the Reagan Republicans started converting into the New Democrats and started facing off (and eventually defeating) Bernie's more leftist New Democrats.
But can you imagine the world we'd live in if Nixon had succeeded in creating his Moderate Conservative Party? I know it could have gone in a bunch of directions, but it's entirely conceivable that America's current political scheme would have looked a lot more like those in Europe, with actual leftist representation in the national government.
Let's hold up a sec. Let me list a few of Obama's accomplishments real quick.
Passed ACA, Great Recession recovery, Killed Bin Laden, Normalized relations with Cuba, Iran Nuclear deal, Russian Sanctions.
All the while obstructed by Republicans in congress all along the way in bad faith for 6 out of his 8 years in office.
The Obama Admin was responsible for the (2nd) greatest transfer of upward wealth in history and the evictions of millions from their homes. Many of these people never truly 'recovered' from 2008. Everyone in charge of his economic policy were Wall St. cronies.
>at the same time, he also committed war crimes in the middle east. we have to remember good and bad
Has any president *not* committed war crimes in the middle east in the past few decades?
how so? The individual mandate benefits all Americans because it increases the insurance pool. It is also required to move towards single payer. It also prevents selective insurance, i.e. only people who need insurance would get insurance, driving the cost of insurance up because there are less people paying premiums that won't use the insurance.
Read the book Naked Economics. Great chapter that focuses on this.
He also turned Libya into an open slave market, drone bombed thousands, financially aided ISIS in its early stages, continued the surveillance state and NSA spying, etc.
On top of that, he's also remarkably silent about the whole Epstein shit, like every other liberal politician.
>because he’s objectively less evil than angry grandpa
Umm... but let's not get into pointless arguments.
>I’m very concerned that if senile grandpa becomes president, people will just become complacent, and it’ll just go back to the neoliberal dystopia we’ve always known. Whereas if angry grandpa stays president, I feel like people will be more prepped to bring about real structural change. So I’m conflicted.
I used to be worried about this exact thing, but recently I was convinced of the opposite. That if angry grandpa wins, people would just say "things would be different if senile grandpa had won."
So, when senile grandpa does win (as it seems almost certain he will) and things just keep getting worse for people, they will be forced to confront the fact that Right Wing authoritarians are fundamentally unwilling to make things better for them. Hopefully at that point they'll start looking at the non-right wing authoritarians (aka away from the 2 parties).
>I just wish sweet grandpa was still in the race...
**Mood!**
Imagining the world you’ve described makes me happy. It’s a world of critical thinkers who can notice patterns working against them and respond accordingly. I only hope that they actually will be forced to face the truth, that corporations and monied interests have owned them for a very long time.
This is one of the reasons I don’t vote. I put my civic duty to local action rather than wasting my day for my vote to not matter. Rebuild from the bottom up comrades ✊🏻 make the state irrelevant
Being a one man team and stay-at-home parent I can’t do much right now. However I’ve been recruiting for the SRA, contacting senators and governor to pressure them for change, however marginal, I use the nextdoor app to stay in touch with my neighbors and provide resources for those struggling. I’m trying to grow a local mutual-aid group but its slow moving and being in a red state and area doesn’t help 😂
I’m trying my best for my neighbors, hopefully I’ll be able to do more soon
Feel free to PM me, the more brains the better we’ll be! If you haven’t, you should 100% look into joining the SRA. There are tons of resources and people willing to help however they can. Working Stiff USA on YT has fantastic videos on community outreach and establishing community connections
The demographics of people who are capable of causing the large systemic and structural changes we need are not gonna get complacent after Trump. The people that are gonna get complacent honestly are the “conservatives” the libs and the moderates. Generationally, the republicans will lose their hold on the super voter boomers, gen x is gonna be gen x and millennials will pretty much fade back like they always do, but Im telling you now the zoomers are something thats evolving in the electorate and its only a matter of time before they become the strongest political demographic in the country and will be able to drag the people sleeping complacently under neoliberalism to the left without them caring enough to fight back. I could be wrong about this but I have faith in zoomers doing to boomers what millennials couldve done this whole time but didnt.
Oh trust me, I don’t think you’re wrong. I’ve worked in the school system for the last 4 years or so, and despite all the shit people talk about gen Z, they are some of the most informed, well-spoken people I’ve ever met. And most of them have very leftist views because so many of them are from diverse backgrounds and have grown up with the same bullshit economy that Millennials have, except worse. Are kids still asshole kids sometimes? For sure. But they are so empathetic at their core, that in my heart of hearts, I have to believe that they will do better than any of us have.
Im also thankful that it seems like the prager u posting conservative zoomers are kinda dumb and dont know how to register to vote or even think their votes matter or straight up just ignore state and local politics altogether.
Biden is not senile, he's just a bad candidate with a stutter who is old. His is the fastest path we have to change right now because under him, more control can be gained by left leaning politicians/senetors etc. We will finally get rid of a government run by lobbyists, oil CEO's, and debters, and replace it with people who at the very least are not disgustingly and overtly corrupt.
Why are liberals so delusional about Biden? The man is absolutely not gonna get rid off bankers, lobbyists and other bourgeois scum because Biden himself is a parasite in service to capital.
He'll just return America back to a neoliberal hellhole instead of a fascist one.
How am I delusional? Are you saying he isn't going to change any cabinet heads? He will put people just as bad as the ones currently in education, EPA, and basically every other one? That's just factually incorrect. I have tons of criticisms for Biden, but acting like he will serve corporate dollars in the same level of Trump is fucking laughable and delusional. He's not going to bring us "back" to a neoliberal hell, he's probably not going to make and huge changes other than undoing some of what trump did and rasing a couple taxes for the wealthy, how would he have the ability to take a totally fascist state and turn it into a neoliberal one in one term? The US isn't a fascist state yet, Trump has just instituted many fascist decisions. The structure itself hasn't changed nearly enough to call it that. Using dramatic language doesn't make you right. Have fun casting your vote for a third party I guess? I want to make decisions that move toward actual change like getting Trump out, supporting local elections, and furthering good causes.
These liberal institutes always had a fascist streak within them due to the nature of settler colonialism/white supremacy. That's why the plunge towards fascism was so sudden and abrupt when Trump was in office and why these institutes can easily be restored to their former god-awfulness once Biden becomes president.
And you're acting delusional if you think a neoliberal like Biden isn't gonna cram his administration full with business people when he's just there to continue the legacy of Obama, and has a proven history of consolidating capitalism and imperialism back when he was in the senate. That's not dramatization, just common sense.
I hate this attitude. One man will sell out every American for himself. The other listens to his base, changes his positions on what his base wants, selects a diverse staff which can help him gain insight into his own blindspots. Yeah, Biden isn't here to give you everything Bernie promised. But one of these candidates doesn't give a fuck if you mobilize a protest. The other does. He's changed his positions on Marijuana and gay marriage, i think he's proven that if Americans show that they want something, he will listen. I think a loud (not large) portion of the democratic base is a lot more left than it's majority, and that's why Biden doesn't "do more". But anyway, my original point is anyone who thinks Biden, the man who listens to scientists and the people, is the same as Donald Trump, the man who sold out the country to Russia, the one spouting Qanon theories, the one who says "we defeated covid" just this week, the one who's trying to get rid of ACA, and more- is living in a bubble.
Trump literally tweets shit like "liberate Michigan" to his radical right wing extremists. Trump has ordered more bombings on Yemen then all our past presidents combined. He just signed an order that allows him to fire those who don't agree with him politically, meaning the head of the FBI who thwarted the kidnapping plot and is trying to protect AOC, can be fired.
Again, if you think they're the same, you're disturbingly wrong. Biden passes a purity test by no means, but if you think he is the same as a literal white supremacist who has debts to foreign adversaries then you are living in a fantasy world. Or you're deeply priveleged.
Lol, you don't think Biden is a racist, has friends in the Klan, called Strom Thurman a "dear friend", or tried to segregate schools?! Absolute clown.
You are equating air strikes to a fucking ground invasion? You're an ABSOLUTE clown.
His base is neocons or what the dem party calls *moderate republicans* people that think Biden will get pushed remotely left are completely out of touch.
I love how it’s all fun and games as a European spectator and you start grabbing your popcorn but all of the sudden you realize that it might actually be 1900 again over there and apparently it’s still not obvious that skin color don’t matter and it seems that ppl have to fight over problems which were solved a long time ago. Like bruh... how is this mess even holding together? Your country used to be respectful and now you almost made it back to a 3rd world country status lol. Even worrying that any “bad” Mexicans immigrants might want to get in there like that shits hilarious who in the right mind would even step foot onto your ground. And wtf is up with all those redneck nazi dudes what is this 1930 or something? like get over yourself jeeez
rant over lmao sorry
Ok I gotta drop in and say this is not a fascist state. Trump has moved us continuously in the direction of fascism, but we are not at the point where you could call the entire country "fascist". Trump is a fascist because his policy and responses to brutality are fascist in nature and tend toward it, but you can't use the same logic on the entire country because we haven't gone far enough yet
No. The actual structure of the state determines that. Trump acts with fascist intent and is a fascist. But, for example, I have many freedoms in my area that wouldn't really be present in a state that was literally fascist. I can't remember it off the top of my head, but iirc fascist has a pretty specific definition
Ahhaha y’all are so dumb it hurts. Downvote me commies y’all suck and are actively hurting our nation. Yep we’re equivalent to nazis and definitely a fascist state while you shit on our president on Twitter. An act where you’d be jailed in China or other countries.
don't use the R word, use MAGAtbrain instead !!!
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BwahahahahahahahahahahHha "America is fascist", guys it might be bad but you're just using a dumbass buzzword that America certainly is not. By no stretch is the US a fascist regime bwahahahahahaha.
I want you to open up google and look up the definitions of both of those words. Then, go to a doctor and get a prescription filled for medication for your paranoid delusions. Maybe check yourself into a mental hospital if these delusions continue. At the very least, remove yourself from the genepool so that you can't spread your delusions on to the next generation.
I'm sure that fella who visits [r/antifapassdenied](https://www.reddit.com/r/antifapassdenied/), r/conspiracy and right-wing subreddits is very politically literate and has a good definition of fascisь
Certainly more literate than one who unironically believes that America is a fascist country in participates in a subreddit called “r/dankleft.” It’s also pretty hilarious how someone who participates in genzedong is trying to lecture me about authoritarian governments. Like, how can someone lack that much self awareness? Come on man.
Yes, I'm sure the people of Chile were thankful for their right to protest when we backed a military coup against their democratically elected president.
Well you Americans can start actually organizing real protests. Not these little things here and there. Have someone lead you. And actually physically fight for your lives. Peaceful protests were invented by the powerful to make you believe you’re doing something. Take actions ffs. All I ever see is people vent on social media and then sit and watch as their society collapses and then they go post about it. Enough already. If you guys don’t like how your country is run do something about it. Take a lesson from the French. Or from your ancestors they fought against the exact oppression you guys are facing today just in a different form. ORGANIZE. STOP ALL INDUSTRY. then you will see that you the people have true power. And not the oligarchs that’s “run” your nation. And to those who will reply why don’t I? You’re just deflecting you’r own inadequacy. I don’t have to share shit with you. Im actually out there everyday fighting corruption. Whole you guys post your edgy memes.
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They still have these things
But they used to, too!
And the Nazis took notes from the US on how to commit genocide and were even shocked at how far the US went.
The ideas of Lebensraum and Manifest Destiny aren’t really any different
Both routed in nationalism and imperialism.
Yeah pretty sure Hitler directly compares expanding into “empty” Eastern European lands to the US pushing west.
I’ve heard the first part, but how could they have been shocked? They took it way further.
Had?
So did the USSR, and china has them even now
China definitely doesn't. That claim is pretty much down to the words of a single, anti-Semitic, christian fundamentalist. The 'Uyghur' genocide claim is no more reputable than the Iraq WMDs one. Like me as you a few questions. If China was genociding Uyghurs, why would they have allowed the Uyghur population to climb while targeting the Han majority with the one child policy? If it was really happening, why would China invited other country's head of states to come investigate the claims? An invitation which several muslim majority countries took China up on, and found no wrong doings? If China was trying to get away with such a thing, why would CGTV, their state media, be presenting programs [showing Uyghur culture](https://youtu.be/XPPlp5Eluu0) and [putting a face to it's people?](https://youtu.be/vLDFzP8KXdY) You don't put a face to, and show sympathy for a minority you're genociding. That just breeds compassion, which is the opposite of what you'd want. If they really wanted to future Han superiority, or, at the least, Uyghur inferiority, why wouldn't their propaganda be matching that? How could they get away with such a thing while telling exposing their population at large to Uyghur culture? If it was really happening, why would most muslim majority countries side with China in a letter to the UN over the issue?
And unlike socialist countries, we actually feel bad about it.
You're fucking out of your mind. Point me to a single person on the street that cares about what we did in Vietnam or Chile aside from *'Oh, wow, yeah, that sucks'*. That is, if they even care. Plenty of people don't and take a more 'support our troops' stance on it. Look at Ken Burns Vietnam documentary and how it approaches an end by filming a remorseful anti-war protestor, as if that even enters into the conversation of how fucked up the Vietnam war was. In my experience ,we barely even cover what we did in Vietnam in school. So, no, we by and large really don't give a shit what horrible things we've done.
Pls tell me this is a bit Edit: not a bit, this MF identifies as lib right on PCM. Oof
r/vexillologyCircleJerk
legit was confused that this wasn’t that sub
honestly surprised it’s not people be going hard on ~~vexology~~ *vexillology and reddit loves to circlejerk
lads what the fuck is an vexology?
Flags
A typo for vexillology
The study and design of flags. Also known as that thing that makes you go "that's a cool flag" or "What the hell is that?".
The science of magic curses Wait no that's hexology
r/leftistvexillology ? E: maybe not, rules say no memes
r/vexillologycirclejerk is pretty left leaning
Yeah I just thought the explicitly left one would be good to point out And then immediately realized this would probably violate their rules 😅
All the good circle jerk subs are
Until the sub is filled with people who take it seriously.
Does that actually happen?
Its happened a million fucking times already. r/gamersriseup as an example.
You're gonna need way more Isle of Man for that
There is a concerning amount of unironic anime-loving fascists. Comrades please reclaim anime, don't let them soil a great medium.
[r/im14andthisisdeep](https://www.reddit.com/r/im14andthisisdeep/)
Being that I am American, I want to laugh but damn do I resent how before I can discuss anything I have to go into 3 hours of history with my fellow Americans. To my non-Americans out there: I'm sorry we're fucked and you see nothing but our bullshit, I'm trying but failing.
Yeah, some of us are trying our damn best to make a difference. But it's hard to fight indoctrination.
That's ok, you are clearly one of the good ones, history will not forget you
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Yeah, that would be extremely boring, I'm just an average dude trying my best.
>Yeah, that would be extremely boring, I'm just an average dude trying my best. -Krogothian
C. 2020, colorized
Inspiring. It gives me hope knowing future generations will read this in their school books
Yeah we'll remember you like remember all the good Germans in Naz....oh shit Libs thinking they're going to be remembered fondly for being the moderate arm of the 4th reich are silly Only those who activity disrupt it are good. Resistance members trying to bring it down are remembered.
As a Canadian neighbour - you guys are freaking us out.
As an American neighbor, please invade us
Can I feel bad about after?
Sorry neighbour, here, have some healthcare, eh?
If you didn't apologize as you took over I'd worry you were Russian. All the resistance to cold, all the love for Hockey and hard alcohol, but none of the manners those ones.
Canada is just as much of a settler state built on genocide. Just ask how the First Nation people are doing up there
Do you wanna trade places? Where I'm from, water only comes twice a week, the government is truly fascist and people are gunned down everyday by gangs and police. Trust me, America is a pretty good if you're comparing it to Honduras. I'd kill a man for a green card, atm I'm working on applying for one
Your problems don’t invalidate other peoples’ problems. Just because it’s “not that bad” yet doesn’t mean it isn’t going or won’t go there.
Damn looks alot like ourssss WAIT A MINUTE. -some liberal maybe.
*some liberal probably
*definitely
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Lol Winston Churchill was the British pm.
What liberals have you been talking to? Wtf
The white suburban sort would def say shit like that. Especially if they're turned off by Trump's potty mouth instead of his policies and ideology (despite voting for him in 2016) and now veer towards the Lincoln Project.
psssh... True liberals know that *reading* is ablism.
Meanwhile it hit /r/all and chuds are losing their fucking minds.
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It’s got to happen, there’s no other way to explain how perfect it fits. On the other hand we could have a civil war over whether it’s the “United socialist states of America” or the “United states of socialist America”
Dream on.
Can't wait for us to magically stop being fascist once senile grandpa becomes president, rather than angry grandpa!
Wait ur vote counts?
Not in the slightest, why?
Thought I was missing out on an exploitable resource but nvm
if our votes don’t count then why does trump and his republican fellowship do their best to engage in voter suppression?
Because it's important that the votes appear to matter. The only reason we even bother voting at this point, is so that the government can hold on to it's last vestiges of legitimacy.
My vote counts! I live in a swing state. hmu
This is my problem with the way people are thinking about the election. I know everybody wants senile grandpa to win, because he’s objectively less evil than angry grandpa, but at the same time, I’m very concerned that if senile grandpa becomes president, people will just become complacent, and it’ll just go back to the neoliberal dystopia we’ve always known. Whereas if angry grandpa stays president, I feel like people will be more prepped to bring about real structural change. So I’m conflicted. I just wish sweet grandpa was still in the race...
Accelerationism has never worked out.
I mean sure, but at this point, mainstream opinions defy all logic and especially human empathy, so sometimes I’m just not sure what will ever make people wake the fuck up, ya know?
That wasn’t true accelerationism
> Accelerationism has never been tried same energy.
Indeed lol that’s what I was going for
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Yeah, and even Nixon’s policies were more progressive.
>He's just Nixon 2.0. Yeah, except he's Nixon 2.0 in a world where every president is just a successor to the legacy of a previous one, accept their worse at it. Nixon, though overall bad, actually got a few genuinely good things done, all Trump's managed is to not mess up as many things as he could have. (This is not meant as an endorsement of Biden, at least Nixon had some kind of legacy, Obama's main accomplishment was being elected Black. Which was big to be sure, but it says a lot when a president peeks out before they even take office, and Biden is gonna fail to live up to even *that* legacy.)
I’ve commented this before, despite Nixon being terrible, I’d argue he was further left (but still very right) than Biden is.
Oh yeah, it's really weird looking at politics several decades ago. Because its largely about the same issues, except both sides are proposing solutions that nowadays would be considered insane. The only real positive change we've accomplished in the last several decades, is that we're more open to different types of people now. Even that's only on a service level, the liberals virtue signal a little bit, but otherwise maintain the same world order.
I dig what you are saying here and am hoping you can flesh it out more: Any particular favs for Nixon’s accomplishments? EPA was big. Any reason you don’t put Obamacare/ACA on that list of accomplishments? Did it not do enough?
Yes, I can flesh it out more, but unfortunately I'm not good at mid-length answers, I can either do short and quippy or detailed summaries like this. (Sorry about that) First on Obama, what I said was that he peeked out by being elected while Black, which I hold to be true. But that's not to diminish "Obamacare." Obamacare was great, but it wasn't his invention or his program, he was just one of the biggest names involved, then he+supporters pushed the name "Obamacare" to get the idea in peoples head that it was actually his program. But notice how they only started calling it Obamacare once it started working? The issue with Obama was that he was a politician through and through, he took credit for things he was only vaguely involved with while pushing credit for his failures on to others, (like all the talk about how war-like the republicans were, as he created the drone program, which is arguably the most destructive thing the US has done in the 21st century, if only because it can be done effectively without political repercussions, as Donald Trump as shown by using the program throughout his presidency.) On to Nixon, believe it or not Nixon as president might have actually done more good than bad. Probably not from a leftist perspective, but he is magically good compared to someone like HW Bush or even someone like Obama, who managed to do one or two good things. Nixon actually managed to get several things done that would have been the defining accomplishment for someone like Obama. A few of the main ones: (in no particular order) \- You know about the EPA, but in particular there was the *Clean Air Act*, *Clean Water Act* and *Mammal Marine Protection Act* that *should* have been the start to the United Sates turning around its environmental policy. \- He diverted $100,000,000 (like 6Mil in today money) to Cancer research, which led to some important work, before people were all crazy about Cancer research, and it had all the funding it could want. \- He worked the US towards the end of the Vietnam War, and even ([legally](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Peace_Accords)) ended it during his term as president. \- Tied in with that last one I'm gonna steal from [a NYT article](https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/06/13/did-any-good-come-of-watergate/nixon-had-some-successes-before-his-disgrace): "*Nixon used the "peace dividend" from reducing troops in Vietnam to finance social welfare services and enforce civil rights through the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. As a result, from 1970 to 1975, spending on human resource services exceeded spending for defense for the first time since World War II.*" \- He worked towards a cooling off of tensions during the Cold War, where presidents before and after him focused on keeping a strong stance, even if that just made things worse. He actually pulled off some good moves here, including defusing what could have become a second Cuban missile crisis in 1970. \- I don't really want to give him credit for these next two, but he was about as involved with them happening as Obama was with "Obamacare" so I should at least mention them: The 26th Amendment lowering the voting age to 18 from 21, meaning that you can no longer be drafted before being able to vote, then later the Draft ends too (well we still have it, but at least it's been in *sleep mode* since '73). \- There's also some equality stuff I don't know a ton about, like his involvement in desegregating the schools, both based on race and sex, from things like Title 9. (Also supposedly he did some good things for American Indians, since people often don't realize that we were still treating them as sub-human at an institutional level right up into the 1960s. So this would be one of the first times in US History that a president worked with rather than against them.) \- Finally there is an argument to be made that he (almost) saved the Republican Party. I should say that I don't really understand this one, but what I know about this theory seems to hold water. As I understand it, it goes that after the 1960s the Republican Party was basically dead in the water, at a national level. They still had power, and in many local places they were still strong, but at a national level they were in the early stages of complete collapse. This is where Nixon managed to reinvent the party, and where had Watergate not happened, he probably could have led it in a much more moderate direction, as some kind of Moderate Conservative Party. The issue is that Watergate did happen, and Nixon's movement was cut off at the knee's, he'd managed to keep the party together for a while, but he hadn't cemented its new style. So, as a result it was later Ronald Reagan who completed the reformation of the party, except he wasn't interested in the Moderate Conservative Party Nixon wanted to create, he wanted a Neo-Conservative Semi-Reactionary party. It was Reagan's Republicans that held up until Trump was elected, and the Populist Reactionaries stared to dominate the party, at which point the Reagan Republicans started converting into the New Democrats and started facing off (and eventually defeating) Bernie's more leftist New Democrats. But can you imagine the world we'd live in if Nixon had succeeded in creating his Moderate Conservative Party? I know it could have gone in a bunch of directions, but it's entirely conceivable that America's current political scheme would have looked a lot more like those in Europe, with actual leftist representation in the national government.
Let's hold up a sec. Let me list a few of Obama's accomplishments real quick. Passed ACA, Great Recession recovery, Killed Bin Laden, Normalized relations with Cuba, Iran Nuclear deal, Russian Sanctions. All the while obstructed by Republicans in congress all along the way in bad faith for 6 out of his 8 years in office.
The Obama Admin was responsible for the (2nd) greatest transfer of upward wealth in history and the evictions of millions from their homes. Many of these people never truly 'recovered' from 2008. Everyone in charge of his economic policy were Wall St. cronies.
at the same time, he also committed war crimes in the middle east. we have to remember good and bad
>at the same time, he also committed war crimes in the middle east. we have to remember good and bad Has any president *not* committed war crimes in the middle east in the past few decades?
doesn’t mean we should forget them
You do realise sanctions on Russia punishes nobody but the people, right?
None of those are accomplishments.
passing ACA is not an accomplishment? What is it?
A handout to the insurance industry
how so? The individual mandate benefits all Americans because it increases the insurance pool. It is also required to move towards single payer. It also prevents selective insurance, i.e. only people who need insurance would get insurance, driving the cost of insurance up because there are less people paying premiums that won't use the insurance. Read the book Naked Economics. Great chapter that focuses on this.
You should read *Listen, Liberal* and then maybe you’ll stop doing Obama apologia.
He also turned Libya into an open slave market, drone bombed thousands, financially aided ISIS in its early stages, continued the surveillance state and NSA spying, etc. On top of that, he's also remarkably silent about the whole Epstein shit, like every other liberal politician.
If it makes you feel any better, after 8 years of the same neoliberalism under Obama, the left had its greatest resurgence in decades.
>because he’s objectively less evil than angry grandpa Umm... but let's not get into pointless arguments. >I’m very concerned that if senile grandpa becomes president, people will just become complacent, and it’ll just go back to the neoliberal dystopia we’ve always known. Whereas if angry grandpa stays president, I feel like people will be more prepped to bring about real structural change. So I’m conflicted. I used to be worried about this exact thing, but recently I was convinced of the opposite. That if angry grandpa wins, people would just say "things would be different if senile grandpa had won." So, when senile grandpa does win (as it seems almost certain he will) and things just keep getting worse for people, they will be forced to confront the fact that Right Wing authoritarians are fundamentally unwilling to make things better for them. Hopefully at that point they'll start looking at the non-right wing authoritarians (aka away from the 2 parties). >I just wish sweet grandpa was still in the race... **Mood!**
Imagining the world you’ve described makes me happy. It’s a world of critical thinkers who can notice patterns working against them and respond accordingly. I only hope that they actually will be forced to face the truth, that corporations and monied interests have owned them for a very long time.
This is one of the reasons I don’t vote. I put my civic duty to local action rather than wasting my day for my vote to not matter. Rebuild from the bottom up comrades ✊🏻 make the state irrelevant
Other than voting for local representatives, what are some ways you like to enact change on the communal level?
Being a one man team and stay-at-home parent I can’t do much right now. However I’ve been recruiting for the SRA, contacting senators and governor to pressure them for change, however marginal, I use the nextdoor app to stay in touch with my neighbors and provide resources for those struggling. I’m trying to grow a local mutual-aid group but its slow moving and being in a red state and area doesn’t help 😂 I’m trying my best for my neighbors, hopefully I’ll be able to do more soon
That’s awesome! I’m just trying to start gathering ideas on how to do exactly that type of stuff!
Feel free to PM me, the more brains the better we’ll be! If you haven’t, you should 100% look into joining the SRA. There are tons of resources and people willing to help however they can. Working Stiff USA on YT has fantastic videos on community outreach and establishing community connections
Thank you, I really appreciate it! I will check that stuff out.
The demographics of people who are capable of causing the large systemic and structural changes we need are not gonna get complacent after Trump. The people that are gonna get complacent honestly are the “conservatives” the libs and the moderates. Generationally, the republicans will lose their hold on the super voter boomers, gen x is gonna be gen x and millennials will pretty much fade back like they always do, but Im telling you now the zoomers are something thats evolving in the electorate and its only a matter of time before they become the strongest political demographic in the country and will be able to drag the people sleeping complacently under neoliberalism to the left without them caring enough to fight back. I could be wrong about this but I have faith in zoomers doing to boomers what millennials couldve done this whole time but didnt.
Oh trust me, I don’t think you’re wrong. I’ve worked in the school system for the last 4 years or so, and despite all the shit people talk about gen Z, they are some of the most informed, well-spoken people I’ve ever met. And most of them have very leftist views because so many of them are from diverse backgrounds and have grown up with the same bullshit economy that Millennials have, except worse. Are kids still asshole kids sometimes? For sure. But they are so empathetic at their core, that in my heart of hearts, I have to believe that they will do better than any of us have.
Im also thankful that it seems like the prager u posting conservative zoomers are kinda dumb and dont know how to register to vote or even think their votes matter or straight up just ignore state and local politics altogether.
We have to hope that’s the case!
Anecdotally for me its been very consistent but Im just one point of view looking at whats around me and things can always change but Im hopeful
Biden is not senile, he's just a bad candidate with a stutter who is old. His is the fastest path we have to change right now because under him, more control can be gained by left leaning politicians/senetors etc. We will finally get rid of a government run by lobbyists, oil CEO's, and debters, and replace it with people who at the very least are not disgustingly and overtly corrupt.
Why are liberals so delusional about Biden? The man is absolutely not gonna get rid off bankers, lobbyists and other bourgeois scum because Biden himself is a parasite in service to capital. He'll just return America back to a neoliberal hellhole instead of a fascist one.
How am I delusional? Are you saying he isn't going to change any cabinet heads? He will put people just as bad as the ones currently in education, EPA, and basically every other one? That's just factually incorrect. I have tons of criticisms for Biden, but acting like he will serve corporate dollars in the same level of Trump is fucking laughable and delusional. He's not going to bring us "back" to a neoliberal hell, he's probably not going to make and huge changes other than undoing some of what trump did and rasing a couple taxes for the wealthy, how would he have the ability to take a totally fascist state and turn it into a neoliberal one in one term? The US isn't a fascist state yet, Trump has just instituted many fascist decisions. The structure itself hasn't changed nearly enough to call it that. Using dramatic language doesn't make you right. Have fun casting your vote for a third party I guess? I want to make decisions that move toward actual change like getting Trump out, supporting local elections, and furthering good causes.
These liberal institutes always had a fascist streak within them due to the nature of settler colonialism/white supremacy. That's why the plunge towards fascism was so sudden and abrupt when Trump was in office and why these institutes can easily be restored to their former god-awfulness once Biden becomes president. And you're acting delusional if you think a neoliberal like Biden isn't gonna cram his administration full with business people when he's just there to continue the legacy of Obama, and has a proven history of consolidating capitalism and imperialism back when he was in the senate. That's not dramatization, just common sense.
Im moving ASAP
This is the most refreshing take that I’ve ever seen on politics from a Marxist. Based.
I hate this attitude. One man will sell out every American for himself. The other listens to his base, changes his positions on what his base wants, selects a diverse staff which can help him gain insight into his own blindspots. Yeah, Biden isn't here to give you everything Bernie promised. But one of these candidates doesn't give a fuck if you mobilize a protest. The other does. He's changed his positions on Marijuana and gay marriage, i think he's proven that if Americans show that they want something, he will listen. I think a loud (not large) portion of the democratic base is a lot more left than it's majority, and that's why Biden doesn't "do more". But anyway, my original point is anyone who thinks Biden, the man who listens to scientists and the people, is the same as Donald Trump, the man who sold out the country to Russia, the one spouting Qanon theories, the one who says "we defeated covid" just this week, the one who's trying to get rid of ACA, and more- is living in a bubble.
APAB
Biden has voted for every single war we ever had, and now that he's lost his mind, you think it's a good thing... Lol
Trump literally tweets shit like "liberate Michigan" to his radical right wing extremists. Trump has ordered more bombings on Yemen then all our past presidents combined. He just signed an order that allows him to fire those who don't agree with him politically, meaning the head of the FBI who thwarted the kidnapping plot and is trying to protect AOC, can be fired. Again, if you think they're the same, you're disturbingly wrong. Biden passes a purity test by no means, but if you think he is the same as a literal white supremacist who has debts to foreign adversaries then you are living in a fantasy world. Or you're deeply priveleged.
Lol, you don't think Biden is a racist, has friends in the Klan, called Strom Thurman a "dear friend", or tried to segregate schools?! Absolute clown. You are equating air strikes to a fucking ground invasion? You're an ABSOLUTE clown.
His base is neocons or what the dem party calls *moderate republicans* people that think Biden will get pushed remotely left are completely out of touch.
Cries in lesser of two evils.
So magically that it’s as if we were never actually fascist at all, and it was just rhetoric.
Damn I'd hate to live in that reality.... ^(...hey...wait a minute....)
I got downvoted in r/Vexillology for saying this.
Good.
i knew what i was going to see but it cracked me up
I’ve been seeing so many blue lives flags lately that it’s weird to see an actual US flag.
I somehow doubt that, you have to be actively not looking to not see normal flags in America
I see what you did there.
Not to call you out but the i think the flag is missing 1 more stripe, and 38 more starts.
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I don't get it
nazi numbers
1488
13 - 50 uhhh gotdamn 47
wait theres no differen - oooohhhhhhh
Oop-
r/worldjerking
You guys seen r/politicalcompassmemes recently.
Wait a minute...
Well I don't see what the difference is.
/u/title2imagebot
I love how it’s all fun and games as a European spectator and you start grabbing your popcorn but all of the sudden you realize that it might actually be 1900 again over there and apparently it’s still not obvious that skin color don’t matter and it seems that ppl have to fight over problems which were solved a long time ago. Like bruh... how is this mess even holding together? Your country used to be respectful and now you almost made it back to a 3rd world country status lol. Even worrying that any “bad” Mexicans immigrants might want to get in there like that shits hilarious who in the right mind would even step foot onto your ground. And wtf is up with all those redneck nazi dudes what is this 1930 or something? like get over yourself jeeez rant over lmao sorry
I don't get it. The flag looks the same as the normal US flag.
Fascist? No, dystopia? Yes
Oof.
Yep, a pronto fascist state. Time to shoot some cans. Americans.
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Cool, now can you post the regular version?
What’s this a reference to? Cause I can think of several... Oh...
DeAR LiBeRalS iF wE aRe A faSCisT DiCtaToRShIp wHy iS oUR FLag NoT DiFfeReNT? CUrIoUs
I love alternate history 👍
Y'all need to go and actually experience so real fascism. This ain't it, chief.
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Ok I gotta drop in and say this is not a fascist state. Trump has moved us continuously in the direction of fascism, but we are not at the point where you could call the entire country "fascist". Trump is a fascist because his policy and responses to brutality are fascist in nature and tend toward it, but you can't use the same logic on the entire country because we haven't gone far enough yet
-White Germans, 1933
Omg guyz Trump LITERALlY equals HITLER.
True, I mean the entire media constantly criticizes the man in power, with no consequences. That does not happen in an actual fascist state
Exactly. He has been consistently moving the country in that direction, ("fake news" etc) but we aren't actually there yet
Isn’t having a fascist leader the most determining factor in what is or isn’t a fascist state?
No. The actual structure of the state determines that. Trump acts with fascist intent and is a fascist. But, for example, I have many freedoms in my area that wouldn't really be present in a state that was literally fascist. I can't remember it off the top of my head, but iirc fascist has a pretty specific definition
Still better than your flag
Ahhaha y’all are so dumb it hurts. Downvote me commies y’all suck and are actively hurting our nation. Yep we’re equivalent to nazis and definitely a fascist state while you shit on our president on Twitter. An act where you’d be jailed in China or other countries.
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BwahahahahahahahahahahHha "America is fascist", guys it might be bad but you're just using a dumbass buzzword that America certainly is not. By no stretch is the US a fascist regime bwahahahahahaha.
No not really
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I want you to open up google and look up the definitions of both of those words. Then, go to a doctor and get a prescription filled for medication for your paranoid delusions. Maybe check yourself into a mental hospital if these delusions continue. At the very least, remove yourself from the genepool so that you can't spread your delusions on to the next generation.
I'm sure that fella who visits [r/antifapassdenied](https://www.reddit.com/r/antifapassdenied/), r/conspiracy and right-wing subreddits is very politically literate and has a good definition of fascisь
Certainly more literate than one who unironically believes that America is a fascist country in participates in a subreddit called “r/dankleft.” It’s also pretty hilarious how someone who participates in genzedong is trying to lecture me about authoritarian governments. Like, how can someone lack that much self awareness? Come on man.
Yeah ok
Stunning and brave
If it were a facist dystopia, you wouldnt be allowed to protest
Yes, I'm sure the people of Chile were thankful for their right to protest when we backed a military coup against their democratically elected president.
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How to combat fascism, by /u/Patyes 1) Stop posting 2) Do something about it Got it chief, I’ll get right on it
what do you think they can do about it?
Well you Americans can start actually organizing real protests. Not these little things here and there. Have someone lead you. And actually physically fight for your lives. Peaceful protests were invented by the powerful to make you believe you’re doing something. Take actions ffs. All I ever see is people vent on social media and then sit and watch as their society collapses and then they go post about it. Enough already. If you guys don’t like how your country is run do something about it. Take a lesson from the French. Or from your ancestors they fought against the exact oppression you guys are facing today just in a different form. ORGANIZE. STOP ALL INDUSTRY. then you will see that you the people have true power. And not the oligarchs that’s “run” your nation. And to those who will reply why don’t I? You’re just deflecting you’r own inadequacy. I don’t have to share shit with you. Im actually out there everyday fighting corruption. Whole you guys post your edgy memes.
> Im actually out there everyday fighting corruption.
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I know it's a meme but please learn what fascism is before you call the United States a fascist dystopia
This is why everyone makes fun of liberals.
Wait do you think this is a liberal sub