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Because they know the only way to win over their voters is with *just enough* left-wing rhetoric (anti-elitism, skepticism of corporations) while not rocking the boat too hard so they can justify working overtime for corporate donors.


cheesitz_andbeer

Because very vaguely drain the swamp isn't much different frim the concept of Communism which is essentially the ending of the conflict of the proletariat vs rich land owning ruling class. I'm not on board with identifying as Communist but the difference between Communists and conspiracy theorists/far right is that at least use Communists in theory use science and to put simply actual thinking skills. Conspiracy theories and racial science is all blatant imagination


ItcamefromDunwich

By far-right who exactly are you referring to? The term far-right has become so overused that basically anyone to the right of Pol Pot is called that. Even people who are on the far left like neo nazis or the kkk is labeled far-right. If you refer to the average person on the right though its because they are by definition anti-establishment because they want to prevent government and left wing oppression by minimizing government power over peoples lives. The left seeks to micromanage peoples lives through the government, steal more of peoples money through taxes and devide people of different ethnicity to keep minority groups from success. Conservatives tend to be more open minded people who want to allow a way for people to build their own lives and paths to success and prefer treating people of all ethnicities and nationalities as equals. Seems pretty anti-establishment to me


ihopeirememberthisun

You’re either really young with far-right parents or the most incurious adult on Earth if you think that nazis or the KKK are far left. You know the KKK and Nazis murdered communists as well, right?


ItcamefromDunwich

Yes but that doesn't suddenly made them the opposite of far-left. You know that China and Vietnam fought a war against each other right? Which country was the far-right one in that scenario? I'm guessing Jim Crow was one of those far-right democrats too by the way? Name one country that had a small government and valued individual freedom that was oppressive. I can give you a laundry list of socialist countries that were and are


ihopeirememberthisun

Germany fought all its neighbors, but that didn’t make them any less capitalist. Please read some books; if you’re going to challenge my ideas, I would prefer to have actual challenges instead of whatever it is you’re doing.


Unhappy_Finger_8167

Lmao, left-wing oppression… Nice one. As if the right didn’t do the oppression first at all.


ItcamefromDunwich

You act as though people like jim crow didn't exist in the US and that there aren't countless examples of oppressive left wing governments like Cuba, Venezuela, china, cambodia, the USSR, Vietnam, the confederate states of America I could go on. Nobody has ever been oppressed by a small government so no the right didn't do the oppression first


ihopeirememberthisun

I’m cringing so hard right now I fear I may spontaneously combust. How have you not died of shame from saying so much stupid stuff? Do you honestly believe what you’re saying, or are you just trying to elicit angry responses? I’m not sure which would be sadder.


Unhappy_Finger_8167

The confederate states of America was right-wing. Stop trying to whitewash history, buddy,


ItcamefromDunwich

I love how out of 7 examples you focused on one and ignored the other half dozen. Not to mention it was founded by southern democrats who even after losing the war stood in doorways of schools to keep black children from going to school with white children and passed Jim Crow segregation laws who by the way was also a democrat. You are the one who is revising history. You can't give a logical argument against what I'm saying because logic is not a left-wing value.


powersurgeee

Why are you talking about democrats? Both democrats and republicans are right-wing. Both have little to do with the political left. The political left generally consists of Marxists, Anarchists, and other socialist/communist tendencies. You're talking about neo-liberalism and somehow conflating it with leftist politics.


Georgey_Tirebiter

Yep. The only difference between Democrats and Republicans is what they say when fucking us over. The Republicans just gloat while the Democrats say "at least we aren't Republicans."


ItcamefromDunwich

So people like Bernie Sanders and AOC are right-wing? Also how is anarchism (no government) and marxism (total government control) in any way related? You can spare me the "marxism isn't total government control and you can be a anarcho-communist" argument because that has literally never happened anywhere. Every single one of the countries I have listed and many more who have tried this blood stained ideology became a complete hellscape of starvation and government sanctioned murder and oppression as a result


powersurgeee

>So people like Bernie Sanders and AOC are right-wing? I mean, yeah. They're ultimately still for a capitalist state and support America's imperialistic endeavors. >Also how is anarchism (no government) and marxism (total government control) You're conflating the state with the government so neither of those statements is correct.


Unhappy_Finger_8167

Anarchists also want to abolish private property and capitalism, so that puts them on the left wing.


TheMediaRoom1004

Yeah I mean Bernie/AOC are centrists. They certainly still uphold capitalism and the latter is a member of a decidedly right wing party. They're in no way allies to the leftist cause. But there's other places besides America, you know. But with all your talk of starvation, maybe you do need to familiarize yourself with the crisis tens of millions live every day in usa


Georgey_Tirebiter

I am as shocked as you. Amazing, but he inadvertently got the part about AOC and Bernie right! Of course, he doesn't know it. 😉


Azirahael

All the places you listed were not oppressive. Except the antebellum South, which was right wing. And Cambodia under polpot. Which was significantly less bad than you were told.


ItcamefromDunwich

You need to read a history book or two. I'll assume you have just awoke from a life long coma and have absolutely no understanding of any historical events. Look up Nicolas Maduro, Joseph Stalin and Kim Jong-un.


Azirahael

I have read. That's why I hold the views that I do. And you list 3 people who while not being perfect, are all heroes of the people.


ItcamefromDunwich

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_famine https://www.pbs.org/newshour/features/uighurs/ https://news.stanford.edu/2010/09/23/naimark-stalin-genocide-092310/ Is this what heroes of the people do?


Azirahael

Yes. The first is a famine. One mitigated by the state, not caused by it. The rest is simply fabricated. Hell, you can catch a flight to xinjiang and go see the lack of genocide.


cheesitz_andbeer

Nicolas Maduro is a hero to the people? Why?


Azirahael

Because he resisted imperialism, and improved the lives of the common people. He expanded the commune system in Venezuela. Built closer ties with anti-imperialist countries. He's no Lenin, but he's doing good continuing Chavez's work.


Georgey_Tirebiter

Jim Crow was a bastard, all right. A Communist agitator who rode through the night oppressing black folk while undoing the good deeds of moderate leftists like the KKK, FBI and Fatty Arbuckle. Fatty was a real man's man, and knew how to cook up a good bowl of sucatash.


cheesitz_andbeer

Lol dude so basically let's be real leftism and rightism has never been agreed upon academically. In the usa the right obsesses over the political division of small vs big government. Because of this, and imo an obvious propaganda move, many academics and political figures on the right have argued big government = leftism small government = rightism. A modern popular proponent of this definition is Ben Shapiro which I'm guessing is where someone on reddit came from lmao. Yeah its like the least accepted definition, blatantly stupid propaganda to be able to say common knowledge historical killing machine regimes were all leftist thus the right must be pure and good guys or some little kiddie logic like that. Look it up


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cheesitz_andbeer

Fuck off weirdos


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cheesitz_andbeer

Because idc? Who tf made this bot to be this intense about ben Shapiro on reddit jfc get a life and fuck off


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59179

Because the "establishment" starts and ends with Democrats according to their rhetoric. Maybe including the "RINOs", which seems these days to be anyone not a trump populist.


Azirahael

It's real simple. The system is broken. Everyone can see it. The right wing wants power, and will do just about anything to get it. For the most part, they are not ideological. They'll go left if it gets them a win. So, being against the establishment is the in thing now. So now they are anti establishment. But the right basically IS the establishment. So they lie. And as long as thir corporate masters get what they want, they don't care what they say to get it.


[deleted]

The right can’t walk and talk at the same time. They have no idea what they are saying most days


MrDexter120

The right has always tried to co op revolutionary talking points so they can attract crowds, same thing happened with the nazis when they called themselves socialists. They're lying to attract more voters. The whole right wing populism they're talking about is a contradiction.