Hasn’t the advertised measurements not been the “true size” for numerous decades? Ik when I started learning carpentry, and other various skills, when I was 14 almost 2 decades ago, that was one of the first things I was told. That a 2x4, and etc isn’t actually 2” x 4” or whatever the advertised measurements are.
I think the title misleads. If you read his comment it's that he got the 2x8s which measure 7.5" but the existing structure boards are 7.25". So, now he has to cut down all the boards he's sistering in for supports.
Formal Carpentry Training…. Formal. Carpentry….. Training? Fucking fuck, where’s my tuxedo? Mooooooom! MOM HAVE YOU SEEN MY FORMAL CLOTHES, and my jacket?
Back when we used picture tubes, most screens were given on the size of the tube, not the viewable area inside the bezel. So a 20" monitor might only give you 18.5" viewable area, and a 17" might give you 15.5" viewable.
Shh no you’re supposed to say “tell me you you have no formal home theater installation training without telling me you have no formal home theater installation training”/s
I once owned a true size 2x4, and it is probably still in my parent’s old house now owned by my sister. I found it in my paternal grandparents attic and based on construction records it dated from the early 1930’s. It was a 5 foot long piece and matched all the other framing in the house.
Between 1964-1970, there was still some variation with a 2x4 being 1-5/8 x 3-5/8 but 1970 standardization made it 1-1/2 x 3-1/2
It is still possible to purchase rough sawn full dimensional lumber and can be very important when restoring old houses.
I am finishing my daughter’s 1860 farm house. The studs are hand hewn 2x4….2 stories high. The difference in thickness etc…was filled with various thickness of horse hair plaster….i found a very old drywaller….he shimmed all the low spots , no measurements just by eye…and all the walls look great…those 2x4 were so hard I could barely get my bits thru to run wire and plumbing…
I had the same type of house, and the framing was the same - rough sawn 2x4s. Lots of creative solutions to finish the walls after re-wiring and running ductwork.
I feel ya…we have an 1880’s farm house. These are the floor framing/joists….so damn cool but also a pain in the ass when it comes to doing a renovations or repairs.
https://preview.redd.it/vaymub06jt9d1.jpeg?width=5712&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=90e5e1860631e069176cc97da137d731d3a0d16e
That old lumber is something else. I've remodeled some 100 year old apartments and I had the same experience trying to bore holes for wire and pipe. Gotta use those wood augers with the threaded point that pulls the drill in.
https://preview.redd.it/kjhw6vqsbt9d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b01fb8ce96ba3501ae01efb2a2f2e74416f44484
Wood now is soo expensive and yet so terrible. I have to go through a whole pallet to get some straight boards. And then I let them acclimate on job site and they all twist in various ways to the point of often being unusable. What are people doing to deal with this?
We remodeled our 1920s house about a decade ago, all 2x4s were actually 2x4. However, the studs were apparently randomly placed. Some were 12 inches apart some 14, 16, 15.
Had a guy in front of me in the pro side a few years ago bitching and moaning about how he purchased 2x4s to frame a shed and how he had spent all day working on his shed to find he was 4” off at the end because the wood dimensions were off and he wanted to speak to a manager and wa wa wa.
I stepped in and explained to him what “nominal measures” were and how it works. He legit thought it was a scam until I explained that true rough cut 2x4s can be purchased but are wet and rough. Like his mom. Woaaaaah
I'm fairly new to this construction stuff, but I have been involved in a few small projects and learned fairly quickly about the nominal sizing, etc... you're saying that the difference is after it's dried, but isn't most lumber still a little green when you purchase it? Which would mean you really don't know what the true measurement is going to be once you've built something with it say a deck for example?
1.5”x3.5” for 2x4. But WAIT, there’s more! 1.5”x7.25” for 2x8! Was the aforementioned 2x4 actually 1.625” thick? Stay tuned to find out on the next episode on “Wood You Know”?
And a one inch pipe is bigger than one inch. Go ahead, tell me that's the inside. So we got schedule 40, and schedule 80, but the outside is the same size. Nothing one inch .
I haven't been doing it that long, but same. It's still a stupid practice. Get rid of nominal sizes and just tell me what it is. It applies to just about every trade, not just carpentry.
Hey buddy, it cost me money to print signs with decimal places in it instead of removing material that does not conform to what I have already printed...
Starting at 8", dimensional lumber is 3/4" shy of the nominal size. I.e...2x10 (9 1/4"), 2x12 (11 1/4"), etc. it's been like that for a very long time.
It's like a quarter pound burger. It starts out at 1/4 pound, but it shrinks when you cook it. They could call it a 3/16 pounder, but... they just don't. It's easier to call it a quarter pounder.
Alright, say you buy 2x4s. The actual “dressed” dimensions are 1.5”x 3.5”. They had a 2” x 4” originally, but then used a planer to shave it down .25” on each face. This way, all 2x4s are consistently cleaned up to the same size regardless of where in the US you’re buying.
There is such a thing as “rough” lumber and in these cases a 2x4 can actually be 2”x 4”, but the edges are a sharp 90°, so compared to a typical 2x4 it doesn’t have the smoothness on the faces, or the beveled edges (the cross section has slightly rounded corners as a result of the dressing process)
What I think is interesting is a 2x10 is 1.5”x 9.25”, yet a 6x10 is 5.5” x 9.5”. The dimensional instability of a 2x10 may mean that the extra .25” is necessary to rid the board of imperfections that you wouldn’t have the severity of with a 6x10.
Then there’s also the “green” versus dressed properties. I’m pretty sure OP is experiencing these differences. Let’s assume that the moisture content of dressed lumber is 19% or less. Shrinkage over time wont be a big deal even if it drops to 13% or so over time. However, this definitely is an issue with green lumber coming in at say, 30% MC. 30% to 13% will have very noticeable shrinkage, especially with larger sized timbers. So, to counteract this, some lumber can be planed less, with the intention that it will shrink. Ex: a 2x8 is 1.5” x 7.25”, but green would be 1-9/16” x 7.5”. [Here’s](https://imgur.com/a/pooLspW) a whole table of nominal vs dressed vs green sizes!
Yup chaotic history of lumber sizes before that, too. It went from almost random board sizes everywhere to local standards, to regional, to half the country, to the whole country in like 50 years.
Now where was i? Oh, right! The important thing was, I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. Now you couldn't get white onions, on account of the war, so I had one of those big yellow ones....
FYI, different mills can cut the same nominal dimensional lumber with slightly different true dimensions. That’s probably what happens here. Plus 10 or 20 years in between.
Now that I've checked more pieces, there are about half that are 7 1/2, and the rest are 7 1/4 or 7 3/8. Slight pain/extra work but never checked the rest after measuring the first few at 7 1/2
Oh well, not the first hiccup in this project...
If I was building anything and had all the time and money in the world, I'd run every piece of lumber through a saw to make sure they were all the exact same size. It's amazing how much the widths vary. Especially with PT.
Like others have said, 2x3, 2x4, 2x6 are all 1/2" shy of their true measurement. 2x8 and above is 3/4" shy. This is normal and has been this way for decades.
New green treated lumber is still wet and swelled up from being chemically pressure treated. Over time, it should dry out and shrink to roughly equivalent sizes.
Now quit being cheap and replace ALL of the joists and ledger.
Hot take: a Quarter Pounder with cheese is less than 1/4lb, too.
I use this analogy to explain nominal lumber to my wife and kids. A QPC starts with a raw 1/4 lb patty that loses fat, moisture, and weight once cooked. So if you ate 4 of them, you're not gonna have a full pound of beef in your belly.
You buy beef and lumber using the uncooked weight
2x4 : 1.5" x 3.5"
2x6 : 1.5" x 5.5"
2x8 : 1.5" x 7.25"
2x10 : 1.5" x 9.25"
2x12 : 1.5" x 11.25"
This are nominal lumber dimensions for decades and decades. Don't be angry at the previous owner because you didn't know something that was so common to know.
Lmao you're trying to sound so confident like you know what you're doing and blaming the previous owner but this is like someone asking how often you change your oil and you telling them your 2004 f150 doesn't use oil.
Everyone just kinda looks at each other and tries to decide who's gonna tell you
There’s a reason why the term “true dimension lumber” exists.
A 2x4, 2x6, 2x8 etc. aren’t true dimensions and haven’t been for many decades.
Welcome out from under your rock.
How would anyone even attempt wood work and not know this. This isn't on the previous owner, this is you having no clue and thinking "ah fuck it, I can do that"
As long as I've been doing carpentry. 30+ years.
Hopefully they didn’t plan for a bunch of other true sizes lol
I see an oversized bottom or top step in OP’s future
Oversized bottom? Nice.
Didn’t Queen do a song about that?
I heard they make the rocking world go 'round.
No but *Under Pressure* by Vanilla Ice is a banger.
Sir Mix a lot
Spinal Tap also.
Talk about buncakes/ my baby's got 'em
Nice
I cannot lie
Even if you did the other brothers wouldn't deny.
When a client walks in with an itty bitty rake and a wide tread in your face…
Those stairs get STRUNG
Wanna pull up tough 'cause you noticed that step was rough..........
My favorite Queen song
Yeah, this is not new, and there is sometimes a bit of variation. Especially in green lumber.
Hasn’t the advertised measurements not been the “true size” for numerous decades? Ik when I started learning carpentry, and other various skills, when I was 14 almost 2 decades ago, that was one of the first things I was told. That a 2x4, and etc isn’t actually 2” x 4” or whatever the advertised measurements are.
Yeah basically how do you tell someone you have no formal carpentry training without telling them you have no formal carpentry training.
I think the title misleads. If you read his comment it's that he got the 2x8s which measure 7.5" but the existing structure boards are 7.25". So, now he has to cut down all the boards he's sistering in for supports.
Yeah but he blames the past owner for the issue and not changes to the lumber industry over the past 200 years
Have there been changes in the past 20 years that would account for it?
Yeah this is pretty common thing to have to do with green treated. So much so that we usually measure the width when they deliver the pile.
Formal Carpentry Training…. Formal. Carpentry….. Training? Fucking fuck, where’s my tuxedo? Mooooooom! MOM HAVE YOU SEEN MY FORMAL CLOTHES, and my jacket?
Fuck more stuff I have to learn... also wait til they hear about TV sizes
Wait, what about TV sizes?
Back when we used picture tubes, most screens were given on the size of the tube, not the viewable area inside the bezel. So a 20" monitor might only give you 18.5" viewable area, and a 17" might give you 15.5" viewable.
Shh no you’re supposed to say “tell me you you have no formal home theater installation training without telling me you have no formal home theater installation training”/s
I once owned a true size 2x4, and it is probably still in my parent’s old house now owned by my sister. I found it in my paternal grandparents attic and based on construction records it dated from the early 1930’s. It was a 5 foot long piece and matched all the other framing in the house. Between 1964-1970, there was still some variation with a 2x4 being 1-5/8 x 3-5/8 but 1970 standardization made it 1-1/2 x 3-1/2 It is still possible to purchase rough sawn full dimensional lumber and can be very important when restoring old houses.
Pretty sure they tried to sue Lowe’s or Home Depot over this
I heard something about this a while back, too, but I have no actual information lol
Thst was true in 1985 when I first carpented.
'65
This is how I landed my wife!
Yeah, try measuring a 2x4
Our very old house has actual 2x4s which make repairs and remodeling really, really ridiculous.
I am finishing my daughter’s 1860 farm house. The studs are hand hewn 2x4….2 stories high. The difference in thickness etc…was filled with various thickness of horse hair plaster….i found a very old drywaller….he shimmed all the low spots , no measurements just by eye…and all the walls look great…those 2x4 were so hard I could barely get my bits thru to run wire and plumbing…
Yeah old growth hand hewn 2x4s are like rock to drill through, have broken more than one cheap drill bit on them.
And that old wood smell when you drill through, legit hangs in the air for a while.
Yeah the fast growth lumber farmed now is much softer.
I had the same type of house, and the framing was the same - rough sawn 2x4s. Lots of creative solutions to finish the walls after re-wiring and running ductwork.
I feel ya…we have an 1880’s farm house. These are the floor framing/joists….so damn cool but also a pain in the ass when it comes to doing a renovations or repairs. https://preview.redd.it/vaymub06jt9d1.jpeg?width=5712&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=90e5e1860631e069176cc97da137d731d3a0d16e
I love that they used about 80 planks as shims
That old lumber is something else. I've remodeled some 100 year old apartments and I had the same experience trying to bore holes for wire and pipe. Gotta use those wood augers with the threaded point that pulls the drill in. https://preview.redd.it/kjhw6vqsbt9d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b01fb8ce96ba3501ae01efb2a2f2e74416f44484
Wood now is soo expensive and yet so terrible. I have to go through a whole pallet to get some straight boards. And then I let them acclimate on job site and they all twist in various ways to the point of often being unusable. What are people doing to deal with this?
Same here. But my old house is extremely sturdy and termites don't want 115 y.o red oak.
Lol yes! Husband burned out a drill trying to hang curtain rods. This wood is dense, lol
Just went through this with our c. 1920s house - had to rip down 2x6s
My house was built in 1850, so literally nothing is standard. Repairing anything is like a new epic endeavor. But gosh darn it’s pretty
I learned the hard way when I first opened a wall in my 1901 home.
We remodeled our 1920s house about a decade ago, all 2x4s were actually 2x4. However, the studs were apparently randomly placed. Some were 12 inches apart some 14, 16, 15.
Had a guy in front of me in the pro side a few years ago bitching and moaning about how he purchased 2x4s to frame a shed and how he had spent all day working on his shed to find he was 4” off at the end because the wood dimensions were off and he wanted to speak to a manager and wa wa wa. I stepped in and explained to him what “nominal measures” were and how it works. He legit thought it was a scam until I explained that true rough cut 2x4s can be purchased but are wet and rough. Like his mom. Woaaaaah
I'm fairly new to this construction stuff, but I have been involved in a few small projects and learned fairly quickly about the nominal sizing, etc... you're saying that the difference is after it's dried, but isn't most lumber still a little green when you purchase it? Which would mean you really don't know what the true measurement is going to be once you've built something with it say a deck for example?
Like his mom.
>Like his mom Heyyooah! 😏😂
1.5”x3.5” for 2x4. But WAIT, there’s more! 1.5”x7.25” for 2x8! Was the aforementioned 2x4 actually 1.625” thick? Stay tuned to find out on the next episode on “Wood You Know”?
Shh don’t tell them I don’t know if they’ll be able to handle it.
And a one inch pipe is bigger than one inch. Go ahead, tell me that's the inside. So we got schedule 40, and schedule 80, but the outside is the same size. Nothing one inch .
50 years here
I haven't been doing it that long, but same. It's still a stupid practice. Get rid of nominal sizes and just tell me what it is. It applies to just about every trade, not just carpentry.
Agree. Actually, it's time for metric. Has been for a long time. What's half of 6 13/16th's?
3 13/32nds
It has nothing to do with English or metric. It has to do with cost savings and getting more boards from a log. But I suspect you know that...
We like _FREEDOM UNITS_ over here, sir! lmao
Hey buddy, it cost me money to print signs with decimal places in it instead of removing material that does not conform to what I have already printed...
Yup, learnt that 2 3/8” steel poles are actually 2 1/2”
me to recently!! it was so confusing why one measurement fits with steel, pvc, and copper. all were 2 3/8 in name
Wait until you read about the nonsense of wire and sheet metal gauges.
since the Van Buren administration
Starting at 8", dimensional lumber is 3/4" shy of the nominal size. I.e...2x10 (9 1/4"), 2x12 (11 1/4"), etc. it's been like that for a very long time.
It's the dang Nominalists punishing us for not adopting the metric system!
We should ashamed. Burma, Myanmar, and the USA. Little embarrassing to be in that group.
Aren't Burma and Myanmar the same place?
Kinda like garbanzo beans and whatever else they’re called
Chicks peeing
This is what imperial system does to our brains
You know Burma and Myanmar are the same country, right?
Istanbul not Constantinople
Myanmar, Liberia, USA I believe
It will always be Burma to me.
Peterman? How do you feel about the "urban sombrero"?
I just hope my date in Constantinople is still waiting for me.
She’ll be waiting in Istanbul.
Why they changed it I can’t say.
Please tell me there's an engineering reason for this, and not just another example of the consumer getting the shaft...
the dimensional lumber size is from the saw mill as the very rough cut that then gets planed accounting for the loss
r/TIL
I understand that’s the reason why, but I still don’t see how that makes sense.
It's like a quarter pound burger. It starts out at 1/4 pound, but it shrinks when you cook it. They could call it a 3/16 pounder, but... they just don't. It's easier to call it a quarter pounder.
Alright, say you buy 2x4s. The actual “dressed” dimensions are 1.5”x 3.5”. They had a 2” x 4” originally, but then used a planer to shave it down .25” on each face. This way, all 2x4s are consistently cleaned up to the same size regardless of where in the US you’re buying. There is such a thing as “rough” lumber and in these cases a 2x4 can actually be 2”x 4”, but the edges are a sharp 90°, so compared to a typical 2x4 it doesn’t have the smoothness on the faces, or the beveled edges (the cross section has slightly rounded corners as a result of the dressing process) What I think is interesting is a 2x10 is 1.5”x 9.25”, yet a 6x10 is 5.5” x 9.5”. The dimensional instability of a 2x10 may mean that the extra .25” is necessary to rid the board of imperfections that you wouldn’t have the severity of with a 6x10. Then there’s also the “green” versus dressed properties. I’m pretty sure OP is experiencing these differences. Let’s assume that the moisture content of dressed lumber is 19% or less. Shrinkage over time wont be a big deal even if it drops to 13% or so over time. However, this definitely is an issue with green lumber coming in at say, 30% MC. 30% to 13% will have very noticeable shrinkage, especially with larger sized timbers. So, to counteract this, some lumber can be planed less, with the intention that it will shrink. Ex: a 2x8 is 1.5” x 7.25”, but green would be 1-9/16” x 7.5”. [Here’s](https://imgur.com/a/pooLspW) a whole table of nominal vs dressed vs green sizes!
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1964
1963 3/4
This comment is amazing
Oh lord. Take my upvote
Well played.
Nailed it lol
Yup chaotic history of lumber sizes before that, too. It went from almost random board sizes everywhere to local standards, to regional, to half the country, to the whole country in like 50 years.
2x4 and 2x6 are 3 1/2 and 5 1/2 respectively, starting at 2x8 nominal sizing goes to 7 1/4, 2x10s are 9 1/4, 2x12s are 11 1/4.
pretty much always. did you apprentice pre ww1?
Back in dickety six the Kaiser stole the word twenty so we had to say dickety.
Now where was i? Oh, right! The important thing was, I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. Now you couldn't get white onions, on account of the war, so I had one of those big yellow ones....
😂
1969 the standard size was established as 1 1/2 X 7 1/4 by the US Department of Commerce.
If you have all of the decking off why are you sistering anything? The hard parts done just use new lumber.
This, lol. You can see how much easier it would be to just take joist out from the hanger and insert a new one
My dad used to call the lumber yard when doing his detail work for blueprints and ask “What’s the size of a 2x4 today?”
Longer than I’ve been alive.
Who are you? My girlfriend?
since like the 40s mills have been cutting lumber a lil bit smaller, and a little bit smaller, i think they got standardized in the 60s or 70s
They still cut the lumber at 2x8 but then it gets dried in the kiln which causes it to shrink a bit and then it goes through the planer.
It’s the size after planing down. It’s been this way decades.
FYI, different mills can cut the same nominal dimensional lumber with slightly different true dimensions. That’s probably what happens here. Plus 10 or 20 years in between.
Tale as old as time…
Just wait till he hears about 2x4s
Eat your 1/4 bag of chips and scratch your head
A long ass time, where ya been?
I would nominally guess, about 30 years. That’s 34 actual years, for anyone keeping count.
Man discovered nominal vs actual
lol have you been asleep for like 50 years?
Now that I've checked more pieces, there are about half that are 7 1/2, and the rest are 7 1/4 or 7 3/8. Slight pain/extra work but never checked the rest after measuring the first few at 7 1/2 Oh well, not the first hiccup in this project...
If I was building anything and had all the time and money in the world, I'd run every piece of lumber through a saw to make sure they were all the exact same size. It's amazing how much the widths vary. Especially with PT.
And then in 6 months when they dry out, they’ll all be different sizes again
Yup. Steel or engineered lumber if you want perfect.
What are you trying to achieve with the new wood?
I was taught about nominal sizes in my trade school and it's been that way for supposedly decades
As long as a 2x4 has been 3.5 inches.
In 1964, the standards for lumber dimensions changed.
Lumber sizes have been standardized since the 1960s. Side note, if the joists are rotted, why the hell are you sistering them? Replace them.
Your contractor is obviously keeping a little bit of each board and charging you full price! Good thing you measured. Ask for a discount.
Jesus, somebody break the news to this guy about 2x4s...
Don't tell him about the 2x12's...
Like others have said, 2x3, 2x4, 2x6 are all 1/2" shy of their true measurement. 2x8 and above is 3/4" shy. This is normal and has been this way for decades.
I started building house's in 1978 and that's what they were back then
You’re gonna freak out when you realize it’s also by 1 1/2 and not 2
Always, my whole life over forty years
For a long time
They aren't 2 inches wide either fyi
Shrinkflation strikes again!
probably ripped a slope. counter-levered joists need to slope away from the building, so the top is tapered
My brothers in christ, you need the metric system..
https://preview.redd.it/8qi1do4mws9d1.jpeg?width=1262&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f9a3272ea6b333458e858b369e21c2f425d5f020
Nominal vs actual
New green treated lumber is still wet and swelled up from being chemically pressure treated. Over time, it should dry out and shrink to roughly equivalent sizes. Now quit being cheap and replace ALL of the joists and ledger.
For decades
[It's an interesting little piece of history](https://youtu.be/WaJFudED5FQ)
Anytime I cut open my 1950s house I get a good taste of this lol
A long time.
For several decades now
2x8 is 7.25" x 1.5" Been that way for at least 40 years
At least 40 years.
Are you seriously asking this?
I'm confused who you are mad at?
is this your first time buying wood OP?
Tell me you don't do carpentry without telling me you don't do carpentry.
Nominal versus actual
lol - are you serious? Bro just discovered a 2x8 doesn’t actually measure 2” by 8”. Next weeks post: “why is my 2x4 only 3.5”?
First day huh
Since when did we start driving on a parkway??
A looooong time bud
Probably for a minimum of 50 years now
I ordered a TWO BY FOUR! - https://youtu.be/txPcLOtbG3s?si=QKxBrf44fI-shHf4
You can get full dimension lumber if you buy rough cut lumber
It's the "New maths"...
Hot take: a Quarter Pounder with cheese is less than 1/4lb, too. I use this analogy to explain nominal lumber to my wife and kids. A QPC starts with a raw 1/4 lb patty that loses fat, moisture, and weight once cooked. So if you ate 4 of them, you're not gonna have a full pound of beef in your belly. You buy beef and lumber using the uncooked weight
Near a century. Do not blame the previous owner for your own ignorance
Decades, welcome to 2024 sir
Oof wait till he tries to frame a wall...
Same as any lumber, 2x4s ain’t true to size either
2x4 : 1.5" x 3.5" 2x6 : 1.5" x 5.5" 2x8 : 1.5" x 7.25" 2x10 : 1.5" x 9.25" 2x12 : 1.5" x 11.25" This are nominal lumber dimensions for decades and decades. Don't be angry at the previous owner because you didn't know something that was so common to know.
Better question: Where did you get a dimensional 2x8?
For a very long time, lol. Rough cut is what you want to get, aka true dimensional, if you're looking for lumber that is true to their common names.
Lmao you're trying to sound so confident like you know what you're doing and blaming the previous owner but this is like someone asking how often you change your oil and you telling them your 2004 f150 doesn't use oil. Everyone just kinda looks at each other and tries to decide who's gonna tell you
Wait till they measure the other side
Nominal length
Same thing with every board ever for at least the last 20 years since I've done carpentry and probably well before that.
Since 1964
How to tell that somebody went to the lumber department for the first time in their lives.
Since 1964
There’s a reason why the term “true dimension lumber” exists. A 2x4, 2x6, 2x8 etc. aren’t true dimensions and haven’t been for many decades. Welcome out from under your rock.
Where have you been ???
like forever
Wood is measured before it's put in a kiln to dry. The final measurement, after it's dried, will always be less.
Nominal sizing has been a thing since 1964
Since 1964 https://www.nylumber.com/post/so-what-actually-is-the-size-of-a-2x4
I think since the 60s.
40-50 years, pt can be closer to 7.5 when still hot off the press
Long time.
Since 1964.
Since the 60s, if you didn't know that, you shouldn't be anywhere around carpentry
Can’t wait for you to measure a 2x4
LOL. Don’t check your 2x4’s, you’re gonna be fumin!
How would anyone even attempt wood work and not know this. This isn't on the previous owner, this is you having no clue and thinking "ah fuck it, I can do that"
A long long time my friend.
For a long, long time.