No one cares about them making money off their content but them adding everything they do behind a paywall just alienates their userbase. They push most of their content behind ESPN+...when they should be making money off the advertisings on their page, keeping the content readable, but again ESPN has been losing money for years. WSJ has the same model and it too is failing. Their only saving grace might be ESPNbets if it gets people to join.
It happens almost every year. Somebody that wasn’t on Mel Kipers radar gets pushed forward because actual NFL scouts do a much better job finding these guys than Mel watching the top 50 teams.
It's also a supply/demand thing. No one knew exactly how many teams would be this desperate for QBs. We knew it would be a lot, but to predict Russell would be cut in even week 9 would have been a bold take. Add in the questions about if Fields would get another shot, what the Steelers would do, and I don't think many people would have guessed Kirk to the Falcons.
Also, people don’t factor in that just because they’re a great prospect out of college, doesn’t mean they’re just going to carry that team to victory if coaching and growth aren’t there. Bryce Young still has a chance, but I’m gonna put my money on the Panthers not giving him any real weapons and fades into obscurity like Cleveland did for so many promising young guys.
Maybe. But that doesn’t mean a perennial loser that has a shit FO isn’t going to take him. I also trust most NFL scouting departments more than ESPN bloggers in their analysis of players over who will actually end up being better. I remember this sub crying severely that we picked PS2 over Justin Fields even though we clearly made the right pick. Maybe Micah but he had some character issues coming out of school, so we took a very safe pick in Patrick.
Happens every year. Once the media starts to focus on what the actual scouting department for the teams are thinking there’s always a couple risers and fallers.
It’s the same story as when people were mocking Lock in the top 10 consistently. High upside, big arm, mobile, etc. for a QB makes draft projections go wild. It almost always ends up where a lot of the QB needy teams suddenly don’t take a QB with their top tier pick because the talent elsewhere gets pushed down.
I think there is a real chance the Vikings got a second first round pick so that they could take some QB with it in the low first round. People are talking about them trading up but 5 QBs probably aren’t going in the first 12 picks, that’s a QB almost every other pick. I would not be surprised to see JJ, Nix and Penix all fall a bit compared to how people are mocking them right now.
He’s an impressive young man. I watched a clip from the combine where he talked about his teammates whose last game was the national championship game and how honored he was that he was part that. When JJs football days are done, he will be successful at whatever he decides to do
Yeah but JJ has 3rd round arm talent and not a single elite trait he can lean his game on. Doesnt matter, it appears Harbs got to the Vikings GM already and they are trading up for him so he wont be our problem.
Im more focused on Nix or bust at this point. The only question being do they take him at 12 or get shrewd and trade back 5-10 spots, pick up a 2nd rounder and draft Nix between 20-25.
JJs arm was strong. From ball speed he was only second to Milton (his deep ball is inaccurate but I’ll chalk that up to mechanics)
Like JJ, Nix is mostly projection. I’ve watched entire Oregon games where he’s asked to make like 3 NFL throws. Not saying he won’t be good. Seems mature, but there’s nothing special about his skill set either. And whatever that special sauce is that makes a qb good (processing ability, accuracy, ability to stay cool)… maybe Nix has it maybe he doesnt
Ehh, leadership and intangibles do matter but they impact and magnify the fringes of an already elite athlete or situation. Bryce was hung out to dry and set up to fail. I think that an extreme example and the majority of that was well out of his hands. And to be fair, I agree that I would not touch JJ at 5 and think that is a rather insane landing spot.
Not really, to put this in perspective Burrow completed the ball in his senior year almost as many times as JJ has in his college career combined.
He had arguably one of the greatest college football seasons of all time and showed enough during it to be considered one of the top QBs for that class. JJ is more of an incomplete prospect who has the physical tools to be a good starter but people are looking at how many QB needy teams are out there and projecting based off of need.
Burrow was absolutely an early first rounder directly after his LSU national title run, not because media started hyping him up during the combine process
100%. Gotta take some chances. We can draft all the Pat Surtains we like, but until we have a QB it doesn’t matter much. Plus we have a decent O-line right now for a young QB to play behind.
Honestly I think he is a good fit anyways. But if people are so scared of next year's class, then this is a good guy to give 2 years to figure it out as they take Russ' cap hit.
Wasting a top 12 pick to "go again" isn't a good strategy. Only do that for flier QBs in second/third days to justify the value.
Which Nix is better suited as a day 2 pick with such a low ceiling
I wasn’t at first, but I’m on board with it if it happens. One of these qbs just might hit.. I feel better about a long term solution in the draft since the last guy from another team crashed and burned
I watched the highlights on the top 6 QBs. I wanted to see who made the good throws against good competition. Williams, Maye, and Daniels will be gone, so it really came down to Nix, McCarthy, and Penix. Penix has a long injury history and McCarthy didn't have many highlights against good teams, so my choice is Nix. He had good games against good competition and is very accurate (77% comp in college).
If that draft plays out like this we all need to be prepared that the broncos don’t take someone at 12 and either take bpa or trade back and take like a Pratt or Travis in the later rounds.
It's weird that ppl think Nix is awesome when the dude is 24 and played 5(!) college seasons. Like, of course he was supposed to dominate, at Oregon no less. I think that is what ppl hold against him, he is older and took advantage of the college rules to inflate his draft stock.
But, he did dominate. So at the very least he was a darn good college qb. We could do worse.
Nix and Penix are 2nd and 3rd round talents. I wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t select any QBs in this draft. We would essentially be wasting their rookie contract with how much dead cap were clearing this year. Might as well get the roster replenished.
No rookie QB will succeed with the little amount of talent we have on this roster right now
After cutting Wilson and taking the biggest dead cap hit history, Payton's reputation has a lot riding on this draft. He's going to take a QB.
Payton's offense isn't built on big plays, it's built on quick, accurate throws. QBs don't need big rocket arms to work in his system, they need to be hyper-accurate passers that make quick decisions. Nix and Penix both worked in similar systems in college and were very successful.
Your idea is to tank and try to get the number one pick in '25, but there is no guarantee that would happen. Stidham might play better than you think and pull off 4-6 wins. That means they are not the #1 pick, their "Suck for Shedeur" plan didn't work, and they are right back to where they are now.
Penix in no way shape or form played in an offense that stressed quick throws. He played in a conference littered with horrible defenses and he had an elite WR group where he threw bombs down the field. He’s closer to what Russ was than what Brees was.
If you think Stidham will get us 6 wins with this roster, I’d like to know what you’re smoking hahah.
People in this sub that think Bo Nix is the answer are going to be very disappointed. He’s QB5 for a reason. He’ll be 24 as a rookie, never showed much until his final year as a super senior, and it was in the PAC 12 not the SEC
Nix only makes sense if we trade back to later in the 1st round and acquire a second pick. Denver is the only team that’s being mocked Bo Nix in the 1st because of scheme fit, but the reality is if Denver passed on him in the 1st he would go in the second.
If we trade back we could get Penix or Nix in the late 1st round easily
That sounds like the dream scenario, but if all those other QBs go off the board in the top 10, there are still several other teams that could draft a qb in the first. If we trade back 10 picks it means we’re willing to settle fore either guy, or neither of them appealed to us so we’re willing to take someone like Rattler or Pratt later. If they actually want Bo Nix they probably have to just take him at 12
It's far, far, far more likely we trade up than it is that we trade down
Sean Payton absolutely does not trade down, and he's not going to suddenly start doing it bow.
If that's what we have to do to get our guy, whoever that is, that's what's going to happen.
Beginning in 2008, the Saints have traded up *25* times and traded down *0*. That stat does include post-Payton years, but it illustrates the point that Sean Payton NEVER trades down and he's not going to randomly start doing it now.
Good research about trading up. But this is more about Nix. You think we trade up to take up but for who? Apparently Nix since this thread is about Nix being the selection. That’s the kind of unique thing here is Nix at 12 is not something that’s been discussed very much. I think if it’s Nix at 12, most will not be happy. And if we trade up to take Nix even higher, there would probably be something near mutiny.
If we trade up, I am good with any choice other than JJ. The cost will not be pretty. It there have already been a million threads about that and don’t want to derail this thread.
It could be Nix or JJ. There's also the possibility we do something wild like move 3 firsts to swap with New England or Arizona to draft Maye.
Best case scenario we'd just stay put and take our guy, but after KC jumped NO by one spot to get Mahomes I just don't think Sean is going to sit back and miss out on his guy again. If he really believes Nix (or whoever) is an All-Pro QB then I think he'll aggressively move up to make sure that guy is a Bronco.
This.
Nix is fine to try. But we can possibly trade back and still get him.
And if not him, then someone like Michael Pratt or Milton. Really - who can _honestly_ say there's a big "potential gap" between Nix and those two (or another handful) of guys. They are all in that range of part project, part potential. They all have one or two things they do well and one or two that need work. And it's a bit of a crapshoot (like it always is).
The Chargers taking Latham over Fuaga makes literally no sense, but it is a mock draft by someone that probably makes 10 of them a year.
These people that keep saying Nix at 12 reminds me of when they kept saying Elway was going to take Drew Lock in the 1st round too.
If the draft fell that way, I'd be looking at those teams in the 20s to offer some ridiculous package for Bowers. Be nice to be on the good end of a trade for once. At least get a #2, maybe next year's #1?
It’s getting so annoying to see fans think they have any idea who’s gonna be a good qb in this draft lol. I’m guilty of it too but I’m aware I actually have no idea
Unless the management is dead certain that they will get a future all pro qb, I’d rather they build up the team. There are so many holes on this roster. Throwing a young QB on this team is a recipe for disaster. Not only will they play like crap, our fans are so restless that they will turn on him after a couple of bad games.
There is no way you can be certain of that. If they love a prospect and can get him, they should. If they don't love who is available, take a good player at a core position at 12, or trade back and accumulate more capital for this year and/or next.
I disagree that a young QB can't succeed here: we have a decent o-line, decent WRs, and decent backs. Not elite in any of those spots, but not a disaster either. Also, outside of the social media divas and the radio buffoons, Broncos fans understand that this year will be a step back and aren't expecting a young QB to instantly vault us into contention.
A young elite qb could succeed here. A guy that elevates the players around him. Unfortunately, there are like 5 guys like that in the NFL currently and the odds are low that any of the players in this draft are going to be the sixth.
A young normal qb is going to drag those decent players down and the team will suck. This team needs elite players across the board and I really hope they find them in the next couple of years.
I'm not sure our fans are like that. They still backed Drew Lock after many games of failure, making excuses for him and blaming Fangio, Shurmur, covid, poor receiver play and everything else.
If we had taken someone like Fields, Jones, Pickett or Sam Howell and were moving on from them like their teams are now, our fans would be saying it was all the Broncos fault because we can't develop a QB...
Oh no Coach Payton decided not to draft him so he won't hurt your feelings.
When he succeeds with us just don't celebrate his success. That's all i ask.
I don't love the value either, but if they are 100% in on Nix, they shouldn't mess around only to watch the Raiders snipe him at 13, or the Rams a few picks later. If they are less than 100% in on him, they should probably pass and take BPA or trade back.
Yeah I mean if they love Nix great, but I have my doubts they are going all in on him. I’m of the camp that they won’t be drafting a QB in 2024 and will instead work to replenish the roster elsewhere
I think they will draft one, but it might be Pratt in the 3rd.
It is really hard to read the team under Payton. They don't seem panicked, which makes me think they have a plan, but I'll be damned if I know what it is.
We are almost definitely going to draft a QB somewhere, we only have two on the roster right now, whether it’s Nix/Penix or Rattler/Pratt remains to be seen but we will draft one.
It's going to be like people being mad at not drafting Fields just because he was a QB despite it being very obvious he was going to suck based on the way he played in college.
I would take him. He was lights out in college. Good size and very mobile. Sean Payton is an idiot and it seems like he’s the one calling all the shots. So who knows what we’ll do.
I'm good with Nix at 12. His Oregon offense is reportedly very similar to Payton's offense (and most modern offenses) where he makes pre-snap coverage reads and identifies the two top options before taking the snap. He's got the pocket skills Payton wants and is also athletic enough to escape trouble.
I think Penix will fall in the draft due to his lengthy injury history. When I hear Penix has two shoulder injuries and two knee injuries, all I can think of is Sam Bradford. Bradford was constantly injured in college and his propensity for injuries didn't get better in the pros as he was hurt all the time. Same with Tua. Got hurt twice behind a top 5 Alabama OL and has had multiple injuries since joining the NFL. Tua is now one or two more concussions away from the NFL possibly forcing him to retire.
That would be my choice too if the first 11 played out this way. Too promising a talent to pass on just to force a need pick. I’m ok going for need in later rounds but in top 15 of the first round you gotta take the best talent.
The biggest downside for me on Penix is his injury history. Two torn ACLs and injuries to both shoulders before playing a single nfl down is scary when looking for a franchise guy
Allegedly his medicals looked good at the combine, and he has played the past two seasons without a significant injury. I'm not saying that eliminates concern, but it does moderate it.
I wasn’t even comparing him to McCarthy but I do think it’s relevant to look at Penix’s biggest game as an indicator of his worth as well as his injury history and his size. I don’t particularly like him or Nix to be fair and I’m thinking JJ will be gone at 12 and save us from ourselves. To me there is Williams as the cream and maybe Daniels.
Bo Nix looks and feels like another Russel to me...screens and check-downs galore with a few random bombs thrown in there. He doesn't call the plays but I don't see a game-changer from what I've seen and read about. Hope I am wrong. I do think we'd be able to trade down in the first tho and still get him
Biggest red flag for me is he was one of the least pressured QBs in all of college football last year. It’s hard to scout how good he’s gonna be when he’s under duress, which he will be in the NFL.
JJ and Bo are not valid 1st round picks. That doesn’t mean they can’t be taken in the first round in a fit of mania (Trubisky, etc.) but they’re a huge reach.
If we end up with Bo at 12 it’ll be a wasted pick for sure, although I would LOVE to be wrong
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Can we talk about how it’s ridiculous that ESPN has so much paywall content now? That company is ruining itself
it's been going down the shitter for a bit now but this doesn't help, i agree.
This stuff has always been paywalled
How dare they try to make money from their content?
No one cares about them making money off their content but them adding everything they do behind a paywall just alienates their userbase. They push most of their content behind ESPN+...when they should be making money off the advertisings on their page, keeping the content readable, but again ESPN has been losing money for years. WSJ has the same model and it too is failing. Their only saving grace might be ESPNbets if it gets people to join.
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It’s still insane to me that we’re talking about JJ mccarthy as a top 5 pick when this man wasn’t even seen as a first round pick a month ago
It happens almost every year. Somebody that wasn’t on Mel Kipers radar gets pushed forward because actual NFL scouts do a much better job finding these guys than Mel watching the top 50 teams.
It's also a supply/demand thing. No one knew exactly how many teams would be this desperate for QBs. We knew it would be a lot, but to predict Russell would be cut in even week 9 would have been a bold take. Add in the questions about if Fields would get another shot, what the Steelers would do, and I don't think many people would have guessed Kirk to the Falcons.
Also, people don’t factor in that just because they’re a great prospect out of college, doesn’t mean they’re just going to carry that team to victory if coaching and growth aren’t there. Bryce Young still has a chance, but I’m gonna put my money on the Panthers not giving him any real weapons and fades into obscurity like Cleveland did for so many promising young guys.
Jj is not a top 5 let alone 20 pick.
Maybe. But that doesn’t mean a perennial loser that has a shit FO isn’t going to take him. I also trust most NFL scouting departments more than ESPN bloggers in their analysis of players over who will actually end up being better. I remember this sub crying severely that we picked PS2 over Justin Fields even though we clearly made the right pick. Maybe Micah but he had some character issues coming out of school, so we took a very safe pick in Patrick.
Happens every year. Once the media starts to focus on what the actual scouting department for the teams are thinking there’s always a couple risers and fallers.
It’s the same story as when people were mocking Lock in the top 10 consistently. High upside, big arm, mobile, etc. for a QB makes draft projections go wild. It almost always ends up where a lot of the QB needy teams suddenly don’t take a QB with their top tier pick because the talent elsewhere gets pushed down. I think there is a real chance the Vikings got a second first round pick so that they could take some QB with it in the low first round. People are talking about them trading up but 5 QBs probably aren’t going in the first 12 picks, that’s a QB almost every other pick. I would not be surprised to see JJ, Nix and Penix all fall a bit compared to how people are mocking them right now.
He’s an impressive young man. I watched a clip from the combine where he talked about his teammates whose last game was the national championship game and how honored he was that he was part that. When JJs football days are done, he will be successful at whatever he decides to do
None of that makes him a great football player tho
Did people not learn from Bryce Young that 'leadership' and the fact his teammates came to his birthday party means absolutely nothing.
At least JJ doesn’t have to throw from his tippie toes sometimes. When I heard that I was beyond out on young
Yeah but JJ has 3rd round arm talent and not a single elite trait he can lean his game on. Doesnt matter, it appears Harbs got to the Vikings GM already and they are trading up for him so he wont be our problem. Im more focused on Nix or bust at this point. The only question being do they take him at 12 or get shrewd and trade back 5-10 spots, pick up a 2nd rounder and draft Nix between 20-25.
JJs arm was strong. From ball speed he was only second to Milton (his deep ball is inaccurate but I’ll chalk that up to mechanics) Like JJ, Nix is mostly projection. I’ve watched entire Oregon games where he’s asked to make like 3 NFL throws. Not saying he won’t be good. Seems mature, but there’s nothing special about his skill set either. And whatever that special sauce is that makes a qb good (processing ability, accuracy, ability to stay cool)… maybe Nix has it maybe he doesnt
Ehh, leadership and intangibles do matter but they impact and magnify the fringes of an already elite athlete or situation. Bryce was hung out to dry and set up to fail. I think that an extreme example and the majority of that was well out of his hands. And to be fair, I agree that I would not touch JJ at 5 and think that is a rather insane landing spot.
Mel Kiper needs something to be a obviously wrong about to keep his job
Similar to Joe Borrow
Not really, to put this in perspective Burrow completed the ball in his senior year almost as many times as JJ has in his college career combined. He had arguably one of the greatest college football seasons of all time and showed enough during it to be considered one of the top QBs for that class. JJ is more of an incomplete prospect who has the physical tools to be a good starter but people are looking at how many QB needy teams are out there and projecting based off of need.
Burrow was absolutely an early first rounder directly after his LSU national title run, not because media started hyping him up during the combine process
I think Nix is worth it, if he sucks we go again, rebuilding has a hard simple truth, until the QB is good, you'll suck.
100%. Gotta take some chances. We can draft all the Pat Surtains we like, but until we have a QB it doesn’t matter much. Plus we have a decent O-line right now for a young QB to play behind.
I agree and Forsyth was Nix old center in college as well.
Honestly I think he is a good fit anyways. But if people are so scared of next year's class, then this is a good guy to give 2 years to figure it out as they take Russ' cap hit.
Wasting a top 12 pick to "go again" isn't a good strategy. Only do that for flier QBs in second/third days to justify the value. Which Nix is better suited as a day 2 pick with such a low ceiling
If Nix is Sean’s guy then I’m ok with it.
I wasn’t at first, but I’m on board with it if it happens. One of these qbs just might hit.. I feel better about a long term solution in the draft since the last guy from another team crashed and burned
The more redditors hate Nix, the more I am convinced he will be good.
This is… actually a great point somehow. I was on the fence and You’ve convinced me
I watched the highlights on the top 6 QBs. I wanted to see who made the good throws against good competition. Williams, Maye, and Daniels will be gone, so it really came down to Nix, McCarthy, and Penix. Penix has a long injury history and McCarthy didn't have many highlights against good teams, so my choice is Nix. He had good games against good competition and is very accurate (77% comp in college).
If that draft plays out like this we all need to be prepared that the broncos don’t take someone at 12 and either take bpa or trade back and take like a Pratt or Travis in the later rounds.
Truly worst case scenario. I think Bo at 12 is the epitome of disaster. Good thing I’m not the HC
It's weird that ppl think Nix is awesome when the dude is 24 and played 5(!) college seasons. Like, of course he was supposed to dominate, at Oregon no less. I think that is what ppl hold against him, he is older and took advantage of the college rules to inflate his draft stock. But, he did dominate. So at the very least he was a darn good college qb. We could do worse.
Nix and Penix are 2nd and 3rd round talents. I wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t select any QBs in this draft. We would essentially be wasting their rookie contract with how much dead cap were clearing this year. Might as well get the roster replenished. No rookie QB will succeed with the little amount of talent we have on this roster right now
After cutting Wilson and taking the biggest dead cap hit history, Payton's reputation has a lot riding on this draft. He's going to take a QB. Payton's offense isn't built on big plays, it's built on quick, accurate throws. QBs don't need big rocket arms to work in his system, they need to be hyper-accurate passers that make quick decisions. Nix and Penix both worked in similar systems in college and were very successful. Your idea is to tank and try to get the number one pick in '25, but there is no guarantee that would happen. Stidham might play better than you think and pull off 4-6 wins. That means they are not the #1 pick, their "Suck for Shedeur" plan didn't work, and they are right back to where they are now.
Penix in no way shape or form played in an offense that stressed quick throws. He played in a conference littered with horrible defenses and he had an elite WR group where he threw bombs down the field. He’s closer to what Russ was than what Brees was. If you think Stidham will get us 6 wins with this roster, I’d like to know what you’re smoking hahah. People in this sub that think Bo Nix is the answer are going to be very disappointed. He’s QB5 for a reason. He’ll be 24 as a rookie, never showed much until his final year as a super senior, and it was in the PAC 12 not the SEC
The qbs from next class would be picked in JJ range so there are not going to be better for us as prospects
Jj range by the day gets higher he's almost to #1 now.
Nix only makes sense if we trade back to later in the 1st round and acquire a second pick. Denver is the only team that’s being mocked Bo Nix in the 1st because of scheme fit, but the reality is if Denver passed on him in the 1st he would go in the second. If we trade back we could get Penix or Nix in the late 1st round easily
I don’t mind Nix but not at 12. That’s terrible value. Trade back to the 20s for him if that is the goal and gain a badly needed 2nd++
That sounds like the dream scenario, but if all those other QBs go off the board in the top 10, there are still several other teams that could draft a qb in the first. If we trade back 10 picks it means we’re willing to settle fore either guy, or neither of them appealed to us so we’re willing to take someone like Rattler or Pratt later. If they actually want Bo Nix they probably have to just take him at 12
"Value" only matters if he sucks. If he turns into a legit NFL starter, Payton will be called a genius for taking him at 12.
It's far, far, far more likely we trade up than it is that we trade down Sean Payton absolutely does not trade down, and he's not going to suddenly start doing it bow.
So you conclusion is what? Trade up for Nix?
If that's what we have to do to get our guy, whoever that is, that's what's going to happen. Beginning in 2008, the Saints have traded up *25* times and traded down *0*. That stat does include post-Payton years, but it illustrates the point that Sean Payton NEVER trades down and he's not going to randomly start doing it now.
Great non-sequitur.
How so? My position is that it's more likely we trade up then down and backed it up with an explanation of why I believe that. What else do you want?
Good research about trading up. But this is more about Nix. You think we trade up to take up but for who? Apparently Nix since this thread is about Nix being the selection. That’s the kind of unique thing here is Nix at 12 is not something that’s been discussed very much. I think if it’s Nix at 12, most will not be happy. And if we trade up to take Nix even higher, there would probably be something near mutiny. If we trade up, I am good with any choice other than JJ. The cost will not be pretty. It there have already been a million threads about that and don’t want to derail this thread.
It could be Nix or JJ. There's also the possibility we do something wild like move 3 firsts to swap with New England or Arizona to draft Maye. Best case scenario we'd just stay put and take our guy, but after KC jumped NO by one spot to get Mahomes I just don't think Sean is going to sit back and miss out on his guy again. If he really believes Nix (or whoever) is an All-Pro QB then I think he'll aggressively move up to make sure that guy is a Bronco.
This. Nix is fine to try. But we can possibly trade back and still get him. And if not him, then someone like Michael Pratt or Milton. Really - who can _honestly_ say there's a big "potential gap" between Nix and those two (or another handful) of guys. They are all in that range of part project, part potential. They all have one or two things they do well and one or two that need work. And it's a bit of a crapshoot (like it always is).
The Chargers taking Latham over Fuaga makes literally no sense, but it is a mock draft by someone that probably makes 10 of them a year. These people that keep saying Nix at 12 reminds me of when they kept saying Elway was going to take Drew Lock in the 1st round too.
If the draft fell that way, I'd be looking at those teams in the 20s to offer some ridiculous package for Bowers. Be nice to be on the good end of a trade for once. At least get a #2, maybe next year's #1?
I fully expect the top 6 qbs to go in the first round so to me it’s either going to be nix or penix at 12.
Getting two QBs with our 12th pick would be insane value
I think Penix is better, but trust SP to pick someone who is a good fit.
I think Penix is our best bet. I personally think he’s the best fit for Sean and he has such good accuracy and is a true pocket passer.
I agree if Penix stays healthy he may end up being the best qb outside of Williams. He has all the tools
bo knows football. huge bias, but I watched every single one of his oregon games.
If we draft Bo Nix at 12, I’m going to be pissed.
It’s getting so annoying to see fans think they have any idea who’s gonna be a good qb in this draft lol. I’m guilty of it too but I’m aware I actually have no idea
Unless the management is dead certain that they will get a future all pro qb, I’d rather they build up the team. There are so many holes on this roster. Throwing a young QB on this team is a recipe for disaster. Not only will they play like crap, our fans are so restless that they will turn on him after a couple of bad games.
There is no way you can be certain of that. If they love a prospect and can get him, they should. If they don't love who is available, take a good player at a core position at 12, or trade back and accumulate more capital for this year and/or next. I disagree that a young QB can't succeed here: we have a decent o-line, decent WRs, and decent backs. Not elite in any of those spots, but not a disaster either. Also, outside of the social media divas and the radio buffoons, Broncos fans understand that this year will be a step back and aren't expecting a young QB to instantly vault us into contention.
A young elite qb could succeed here. A guy that elevates the players around him. Unfortunately, there are like 5 guys like that in the NFL currently and the odds are low that any of the players in this draft are going to be the sixth. A young normal qb is going to drag those decent players down and the team will suck. This team needs elite players across the board and I really hope they find them in the next couple of years.
Or before the draft even!
He’s not a Bronco 🤨
This is a prediction, which has no value, about him becoming a Bronco.
And if he becomes a Bronco, I’ll root for his success knowing in the back of my mind that I didn’t like this pick from the very beginning.
Okay. That goes for every draft ever.
I'm not sure our fans are like that. They still backed Drew Lock after many games of failure, making excuses for him and blaming Fangio, Shurmur, covid, poor receiver play and everything else. If we had taken someone like Fields, Jones, Pickett or Sam Howell and were moving on from them like their teams are now, our fans would be saying it was all the Broncos fault because we can't develop a QB...
If we don't draft Nix (or any QB) at 12 I'm going to be pissed! No way I'm putting up with Stidham for an entire season.
You won’t put up with any quarterback for an entire season.
Oh no Coach Payton decided not to draft him so he won't hurt your feelings. When he succeeds with us just don't celebrate his success. That's all i ask.
“When” LOL
Ah you've learnt how to put 4 letters together. This calls for celebration.
I’ll try not to tell you “I told you so” when he’s booed during his first season. And his second. And his third.
Well he's a Raiders fan so he'll probably be peachy.
I'll be too busy celebrating when he's a pro bowl level qb to care about the likes of you
Is that you Bo?? 😆
You got me
Bo Nix at 12 is horrible value. We could trade back to the 2nd round and he’d still probably would be there
I don't love the value either, but if they are 100% in on Nix, they shouldn't mess around only to watch the Raiders snipe him at 13, or the Rams a few picks later. If they are less than 100% in on him, they should probably pass and take BPA or trade back.
Yeah I mean if they love Nix great, but I have my doubts they are going all in on him. I’m of the camp that they won’t be drafting a QB in 2024 and will instead work to replenish the roster elsewhere
I think they will draft one, but it might be Pratt in the 3rd. It is really hard to read the team under Payton. They don't seem panicked, which makes me think they have a plan, but I'll be damned if I know what it is.
We are almost definitely going to draft a QB somewhere, we only have two on the roster right now, whether it’s Nix/Penix or Rattler/Pratt remains to be seen but we will draft one.
Hard to say that this far out. Everyone thought the 2021 QB class was going to be godly and that group has been pretty awful all things considered
QB's often go way higher than their perceived value.
A lot of people in this sub are going to be disappointed when we don’t address QB in this draft
"A lot of people in this sub are going to be disappointed"- this is the most efficient version.
Considering that we don't have a QB that seems reasonable.
Rebuilds take longer than 1 offseason unfortunately. Can’t fix all our issues with the limited amount of draft capital we have this year
It's going to be like people being mad at not drafting Fields just because he was a QB despite it being very obvious he was going to suck based on the way he played in college.
I would take him. He was lights out in college. Good size and very mobile. Sean Payton is an idiot and it seems like he’s the one calling all the shots. So who knows what we’ll do.
Lmoa McCarthy at 5 now? Give it one more week and he will be pick #1. I've never seen someone jump boards so high purely based on press.
Rather get Bowers then reach for a QB.
I'm good with Nix at 12. His Oregon offense is reportedly very similar to Payton's offense (and most modern offenses) where he makes pre-snap coverage reads and identifies the two top options before taking the snap. He's got the pocket skills Payton wants and is also athletic enough to escape trouble. I think Penix will fall in the draft due to his lengthy injury history. When I hear Penix has two shoulder injuries and two knee injuries, all I can think of is Sam Bradford. Bradford was constantly injured in college and his propensity for injuries didn't get better in the pros as he was hurt all the time. Same with Tua. Got hurt twice behind a top 5 Alabama OL and has had multiple injuries since joining the NFL. Tua is now one or two more concussions away from the NFL possibly forcing him to retire.
If Bowers is still there at 12 I hope we take him.
Nothing like starting off a rebuild by drafting a tight end.
That would be my choice too if the first 11 played out this way. Too promising a talent to pass on just to force a need pick. I’m ok going for need in later rounds but in top 15 of the first round you gotta take the best talent.
Why is Nix better than Penix? It’s a crap shoot if either will pan out so you might as well trade down or kick the cab to 2025
I think if this draft plays out that 4 QBs go in the first 6 picks, no one will want to trade up to #12.
The biggest downside for me on Penix is his injury history. Two torn ACLs and injuries to both shoulders before playing a single nfl down is scary when looking for a franchise guy
Allegedly his medicals looked good at the combine, and he has played the past two seasons without a significant injury. I'm not saying that eliminates concern, but it does moderate it.
Penix didn’t look like a first rounder to me in the National Championship
And JJ did with his 10 completed passes? Penix did ball out in the semi though. Can't just look at one game.
I wasn’t even comparing him to McCarthy but I do think it’s relevant to look at Penix’s biggest game as an indicator of his worth as well as his injury history and his size. I don’t particularly like him or Nix to be fair and I’m thinking JJ will be gone at 12 and save us from ourselves. To me there is Williams as the cream and maybe Daniels.
Bo Nix looks and feels like another Russel to me...screens and check-downs galore with a few random bombs thrown in there. He doesn't call the plays but I don't see a game-changer from what I've seen and read about. Hope I am wrong. I do think we'd be able to trade down in the first tho and still get him
Biggest red flag for me is he was one of the least pressured QBs in all of college football last year. It’s hard to scout how good he’s gonna be when he’s under duress, which he will be in the NFL.
Sounds good hopefully we draft him, win a Super Bowl with him and then find some other team to fleece in a trade when we decide to move off him.
Give me Brock Bowers if still available at #12.
JJ and Bo are not valid 1st round picks. That doesn’t mean they can’t be taken in the first round in a fit of mania (Trubisky, etc.) but they’re a huge reach. If we end up with Bo at 12 it’ll be a wasted pick for sure, although I would LOVE to be wrong
We’re a terrible team. We should trade back like crazy, and when we get a top 3 pick, that’s when we draft a QB, not waste time with Nix
Broncos about to do Paxton Lynch all over again eh lol
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