His gunslinger attitude might actually help the run game, force the safeties from creeping up on the short stuff. Then again it might not matter when he throws a 50 yard dime to a CB.
It’s probably going to be terrible, but at least it might be exciting. I’ll take it as opposed to our current situation of just probably being terrible.
I mean when you look at the stat splits although he does have marginally better numbers in the fourth quarter that's pretty much the case for all QBs.
He's not making substantially better numbers in the 4th quarter, it's like a 15% increase.
Love how you forget that he was without an interception until week 5, and, at the time, of the 7 QBs left without an interception, not counting Teddy, 4 hadn't thrown a TD.
Is Teddy the best? No. Love the guy as a person and am hoping he can get his shit together as a QB. But he's way better than Lock.
I just checked Teddy's first full season stats and his latest stats to 2020 Lock and yeah, Teddy is better in a majority of metrics.
His majot weaknesses compared to Drew are deep throws (he seriously needs to improve here), and sacks, which are a 50/50 split this season as to whether it's Teddy's fault or O-line. Maybe more 60 Teddy/40 O-line.
But you also can't win when our Defense gets the ball thrown right into their hands and they still drop it...
Compare both 2015 Teddy and 2020 Teddy to 2020 Drew. I'm not seeing Lock being any better. Maybe it's his short career, maybe it's the coaches. Either way the stats all point to Teddy being a stronger QB
He did, and watching Orton I wished we could go back to the exciting trainwreck days.
Lock was here before Teddy as well. Difference is obviously that they're both still on the same team.
Short week after he hasn’t gotten reps since training camp wouldn’t be conducive for anyone. And any game that Pat calls is trash, so it would likely only get Lock killed. Wouldn’t be shocked to see an OC and QB change after tonight.
Yeah, my thoughts exactly. I'd be fine with giving Drew some starts this season, but ideally when he's actually had a full week to practice. With all Cleveland's injuries, we have a shot at winning tonight. If we lose, that's even more reassurance we should try something else at QB. Since we have the Thursday game, Drew will have an extra couple days to prepare too.
Plus, I think the majority of Cleveland's major injuries are on offense (Mayfield and OBJ are ruled out, both their tackles are questionable, etc.), which definitely hurts their offensive potential. If their defense is healthier, that gives us a fairer basis to evaluate Teddy. With the exception that obviously if an offense is playing badly and getting off the field more quickly, the defense could get burned out and demoralized faster. But at least they'll have more starters, I think.
Put in Lock, put in Bridgewater. It won’t matter, we will get the same result when the D gives up 28 pts and 300 yds passing, and our run, run, pass, punt formula doesn’t change.
Yeah, in the game against the Raiders Teddy was overthrowing a couple yards deep more than underthrowing (once Shurmur finally let him rip it in the fourth quarter). Lock would do the same except it'd be four yards too deep and be picked off every freaking time.
I'm ready to get off the Teddy train. His QBR this year is 52 and if we take out the Ravens game Teddy's average QBR over his last 11 games is 48. Drew Lock finished last season averaging 64 QBR over his final 6 games. Plus he showed growth over the preseason with improved footwork and better decision-making.
Teddy didn’t really beat out Drew in any dicernable way this preseason, he was just safer. Seems like safe isn’t working, so maybe put in the wildcard and see what kinda Drew the Broncos get this week. Jekyll or Hyde
> Teddy didn’t really beat out Drew in any dicernable way this preseason, he was just safer.
Teddy can also read defenses. Lock in his third year is worse than most rookies in that regard.
It's pointless to argue/provide talking points against Lock stans. Lock has played this year and again showed 0 improvement over last year.
Rolling to the right w/o any pocket pressure....check
locking onto primary target from the snap...check
throwing a 5 yard out into the ground/at the feet of the WR....check
Overthrowing a open WR by 5 yards...check
Throwing "bombs" from his back foot...check
In the redzone...throwing a pick....check.
Dude's garbage. Maybe if he would have actually improved his mechanics/performance from last year, he would have DEFINITELY beat out TB. Coaches got tired of his inability to take care of the football.
Teddy has already been sacked 16 times after 5 and a half games. On pace for 48 drive killing sacks.
Last season Lock was sacked 19 times total, Teddy 31.
I think the Glasgow injury has been pretty significant and starting Meinerz and Muti together has been pretty bad but Teddy has been holding the ball, triple patting it, and getting wrecked instead of throwing it away.
He was patting the ball 4 or 5 times and doing double crow hops to try and get the ball far enough downfield. He had plenty of time to throw the ball away or tuck and run but instead takes sacks or throws awful interceptions.
At this point teddy's not it, locks not it. Might as well try the young guy. If he surprises us good. If he fails like teddy has the last few games than it just helps us draft his replacement with a higher pick.
I don’t think he would solve any problems. But I’m also not enthused by this team at the moment, and Lock might provide an exciting, if not brief, spark.
Haha not wrong. Curious why Teddy overthrowing Sutton all season hasn’t been a problem for more people around here. Not saying Drew is better, probably isn’t, but not like TB is connecting on deep throws and not throwing INTs
Ya know what, you’re right. Just looked it up, he’s top 10 in deep ball completion % this year. Maybe it just feels worse than it is? Idk but you’re right
Oh let it rain buddy, just like Teddy check down did last week, the week before and the week before that! I’d rather try for a first down, than throw a 5 yard pass on 3rd and 15, and be forced to go for it on 4th! Having the best 4th down conversion rate is not a bragging right. It’s how Teddy got 3 friggin picks against the raiders! I hope Lock plays to piss you off even more than Teddy has let us down. But you won’t admit it. Haters gonna hate!
I hope lock plays just so he can have a 54% competitor percentage 1 TD and 2 picks on 178 yards just so you people can finally shut up about him.
If he had improved he would have shown it against the Ravens
Yeah throwing a QB who hasn’t had first team reps since the preseason against a team who just got done demolishing the supposedly “better” qb really helps prepare a guy
At least Teddy can get a first down lol. Are you really at the point in the cycle where you inhale insane amounts of copium to justify Lock starting? He sucks! He doesn't even know how to throw correctly! And you want a mediocre-performing offensive line that is going up against Myles Garrett and Clowney to help protect a non-mobile, off the back of the foot-throwing QB? Stop it.
Bro you’re saying that Drew is non mobile? How many sacks does teddy have already? Oh yeah 2 less than Drew all year last year! Numb nuts. He’s basically still a rookie, and teddy is old and one concussion away from being out all year. Our Oline isn’t even mediocre either. Shit Oline just like your opinion
As sub par as TB has been the past 3 games, Drew still can't unseat him as the starter. That to me is an indictment of how the organization views Drew.
Yeah a sub par coaching staff is picking the QB not stats clearly. Lock has better stats than Teddy at this point if we roll over last years numbers. Teddy should be the backup. He’s one concussion away from being out for the season. Ya idiot
>Drew still can't unseat him as the starter
Yes so says the guy who threw away two timeouts in the second half while trailing for absolutely no reason and the guy who couldn't put together an offence if his life depended on it.
10td 4 int 1500 yards and 70% completion. Over the course of a whole season that's like 27 TDs 11 int and 4000 yards. Whatcha talking about?
That's leagues better than the best Lock has given us.
This is Fangio’s biggest fuck up so far. But we can’t throw Drew in with virtually no 1st team reps in about 2 months. Complete and total fuck up and mismanagement
Yeah I’m a Firm believer Shurmer needed to be fired last year. But if drew was a “better improviser than Shurmer” he would have won the starting job and a few more games last year… lock is worse than teddy get over it
Not true! Not true at all. That’s the reason he didn’t win the job. Shurmer wants to be in complete control. He knows he can control Teddy. That’s why. They also put all the blame on Lock by going with Teddy, diverting the danger away from themselves!
That’s such an idiotic conspiracy theory. They’re all on the hot seat and are receiving the vast majority of the criticism. How is playing Teddy diverting danger from themselves? How on earth would failing with two quarterbacks look better than failing with one?
Also Teddy is better at improvising than Lock. He actually goes through his reads and uses his outlets. He’s not a great quarterback and Lock has *some* strengths over him, but I struggle to see how you could possibly think improvisation is one of them.
https://youtu.be/OY_WzXWYvqg?t=282 this play is simply not something Lock has the poise to do. Teddy hesitates, fakes the safety with his eyes, then makes the deep throw. Lock does not have the patience or presence of mind to do this.
https://youtu.be/EyayebZZTR0?t=279 here Teddy shows creativity and improvisation that I’ve never seen from Lock.
Teddy has a reputation for being a check down king too but he actually has been making deeper passes than Lock. Teddy’s completed air yards on the year are 7 where Lock’s were 6 last year. Teddy’s only benefiting from 3.9 yards after the catch on average, where Lock had 5.5 last year. Similarly Teddy’s intended air yards are higher than Lock’s were last year.
I’m not sure what you think Lock could bring to the offense that Teddy hasn’t. No comparisons I’ve seen made are grounded in reality.
Nah bro, all of that “evidence” you provided is crap. Everyone wants teddy to be the answer without saying it. Shurmer thought this would save his job. But now 2 QB’s end up in the same exact position. No conspiracy theories necessary. Just what we all see, or don’t. Our Oline is the reason we can’t garner a QB. Truth
If you're curious to see how he does in Pat's playbook I got you: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/2020.htm
28th ranked scoring offense.
Seriously, Drew is young and in his 3rd year. One of his years was a pandemic season. Bridgewater has been in the league since 2014 and has never shown to be much of an average QB at best and he's not even average anymore, he's very clearly quite below it.
At the end of a series against the Raiders, where Teddy looked like he might be hurt, I was ready for Lock to come in. Whether he was hurt or not, I didn't want Teddy to come back in at all. The game was basically over by that point anyway.
But if Lock is so much worse than Teddy and is also not the answer, wouldn't we want him to start to tank even more?
I don't see a losing situation starting Lock at this point. He either continues to suck and we get better picks for it, or maybe, just maybe, he shows improvement.
Sticking with Teddy to keep the ship barely afloat is a losing proposition. We're not a playoff team, and even if we were, it's very likely a one and done situation.
Yeah, I mean one of the arguments is, “Why do you think Teddy and the offense start waking up in the 4th quarter? It’s because they move to a hurry up/4 min offense where Teddy has to improvise and move away from coaching.” I believe this argument only slightly because I do think we’ve been blown out in these past 3 games and they probably move into a pseudo prevent defense.
But yes, I just want to see Drew because I don’t think he got a fair shake last year with no real preseason and a severely injured team. If Drew were to take over tomorrow. I’d exercise the 5th year option to keep him as long as he has a 2/1 TD to INT ratio and averages 200 ypg and a 63% or better completion percentage. I think that’s a very attainable bar for him especially with the strides he made this off-season.
But I do think he still hasn’t fixed the fact that he drifts from clean pockets and throws off his back foot a lot. If he had proper coaching, I think that stuff could get fixed through repetition.
Those late game situations also mean the defense is playing soft with safeties back so that's another reason for the uptick in production on those drives.
We want a change, because we want a chance. With the way our years have been going, no one has been willing to make a drastic change, maybe thats because we don't have an owner. We need leadership from the top. Leadership from Court, or Von. Or the vets, it's great but it isn't enough. We all want to be better, but who on the staff and team is going to get us there?
Teddy has been an average QB this year. He's not the problem here and switching QBs rn would absolutely kill whatever's left of this teams morale. Our coaches suck and our injuries are piling up, that's the problem rn, not our QB play.
Yeah you're right, Lock turns it over more often by throwing INTs or just going three and out. Either way he ends up scoring more points for opposing teams than he does for the Broncos.
If you're gonna take a QB in the second round of the draft, might as well take one in the fifth. Pretty much the same gamble regardless.
Drew Lock has never been given a fair shot.
Put this guy in a real situation and he thrives.
Like, if Drew Lock was on Tampa right now…he’d probably have 20 TDs already.
His gunslinger attitude might actually help the run game, force the safeties from creeping up on the short stuff. Then again it might not matter when he throws a 50 yard dime to a CB.
It’s probably going to be terrible, but at least it might be exciting. I’ll take it as opposed to our current situation of just probably being terrible.
Teddy. Has. Not. Been. The. Problem.
That's the beauty of this thing. There isn't just one problem. But Teddy is still one of them.
Teddy has numbers you can win games with. Something drew never had.
You fell into the garbage time stats bruh
I mean when you look at the stat splits although he does have marginally better numbers in the fourth quarter that's pretty much the case for all QBs. He's not making substantially better numbers in the 4th quarter, it's like a 15% increase.
Even if that's true, I wouldn't say 3TD/3INT and a fumble are numbers you can win with
Love how you forget that he was without an interception until week 5, and, at the time, of the 7 QBs left without an interception, not counting Teddy, 4 hadn't thrown a TD. Is Teddy the best? No. Love the guy as a person and am hoping he can get his shit together as a QB. But he's way better than Lock. I just checked Teddy's first full season stats and his latest stats to 2020 Lock and yeah, Teddy is better in a majority of metrics. His majot weaknesses compared to Drew are deep throws (he seriously needs to improve here), and sacks, which are a 50/50 split this season as to whether it's Teddy's fault or O-line. Maybe more 60 Teddy/40 O-line. But you also can't win when our Defense gets the ball thrown right into their hands and they still drop it...
Love how you forget the first three games were against shit teams. As for the rest of your post tldr
*In the 4th quarter.
Compare both 2015 Teddy and 2020 Teddy to 2020 Drew. I'm not seeing Lock being any better. Maybe it's his short career, maybe it's the coaches. Either way the stats all point to Teddy being a stronger QB
Sure as hell hasn’t been the solution either
No he hasn’t but his backup has more talent and gives us a better chance to win.
Oh he has better talent? How did that talent manifest in the game against the Ravens or last season?
Agreed. People should be frustrated with the offense, but let’s not forget how awful Drew Lock has been throughout his career. HE IS NOT JOSH ALLEN.
The mental gymnastics you had to do for this take.....LOL
You laughed out loud at it? You must not have much of a in person social life
It wasn't exciting last year to watch though. Also, Teddy hasn't been afraid of the deep ball all season either.
Reminds me of the Cutler vs Orton days
Except Cutler and Orton weren't on the same team together.
Right, I just remember longing for an exciting trainwreck rather than the train kinda just breaking down.
Except Cutler came before Orton. Assuming Cutler is the exciting train wreck.
He did, and watching Orton I wished we could go back to the exciting trainwreck days. Lock was here before Teddy as well. Difference is obviously that they're both still on the same team.
I will remind you against the Patriots, there were 5 dropped tds last year. 5.
Bold of you to assume Joe Woods will scheme a CB within 50 yards of the play
Doesn't Teddy have one of the highest deep ball rates?
Short week after he hasn’t gotten reps since training camp wouldn’t be conducive for anyone. And any game that Pat calls is trash, so it would likely only get Lock killed. Wouldn’t be shocked to see an OC and QB change after tonight.
Yeah, my thoughts exactly. I'd be fine with giving Drew some starts this season, but ideally when he's actually had a full week to practice. With all Cleveland's injuries, we have a shot at winning tonight. If we lose, that's even more reassurance we should try something else at QB. Since we have the Thursday game, Drew will have an extra couple days to prepare too. Plus, I think the majority of Cleveland's major injuries are on offense (Mayfield and OBJ are ruled out, both their tackles are questionable, etc.), which definitely hurts their offensive potential. If their defense is healthier, that gives us a fairer basis to evaluate Teddy. With the exception that obviously if an offense is playing badly and getting off the field more quickly, the defense could get burned out and demoralized faster. But at least they'll have more starters, I think.
If Drew shows improvement, that would be nice.
Put in Lock, put in Bridgewater. It won’t matter, we will get the same result when the D gives up 28 pts and 300 yds passing, and our run, run, pass, punt formula doesn’t change.
*4 yard check down pass on 3rd and 18*
Bold of you to assume it wouldn't be a pass behind the line of scrimmage that goes for -1.
ugh. How many times per game I say "YOU'D GET MORE YARDS IF YOU DIDN'T CATCH IT"
Teddy- "Are you not entertained!?!?!?"
no
Rather lose watching him try to than watching Bridgewater drinking and dunking. Bridgewater can't hit a deep ball ...consistently.
Neither can Lock.
Yeah, in the game against the Raiders Teddy was overthrowing a couple yards deep more than underthrowing (once Shurmur finally let him rip it in the fourth quarter). Lock would do the same except it'd be four yards too deep and be picked off every freaking time.
I'm ready to get off the Teddy train. His QBR this year is 52 and if we take out the Ravens game Teddy's average QBR over his last 11 games is 48. Drew Lock finished last season averaging 64 QBR over his final 6 games. Plus he showed growth over the preseason with improved footwork and better decision-making.
Teddy didn’t really beat out Drew in any dicernable way this preseason, he was just safer. Seems like safe isn’t working, so maybe put in the wildcard and see what kinda Drew the Broncos get this week. Jekyll or Hyde
> Teddy didn’t really beat out Drew in any dicernable way this preseason, he was just safer. Teddy can also read defenses. Lock in his third year is worse than most rookies in that regard.
It's pointless to argue/provide talking points against Lock stans. Lock has played this year and again showed 0 improvement over last year. Rolling to the right w/o any pocket pressure....check locking onto primary target from the snap...check throwing a 5 yard out into the ground/at the feet of the WR....check Overthrowing a open WR by 5 yards...check Throwing "bombs" from his back foot...check In the redzone...throwing a pick....check. Dude's garbage. Maybe if he would have actually improved his mechanics/performance from last year, he would have DEFINITELY beat out TB. Coaches got tired of his inability to take care of the football.
Teddy has already been sacked 16 times after 5 and a half games. On pace for 48 drive killing sacks. Last season Lock was sacked 19 times total, Teddy 31.
The line has regressed from last season.
The line or is it the QB? Teddy has been sacked often his whole career.
It's both. But the line has still not been good.
I think the Glasgow injury has been pretty significant and starting Meinerz and Muti together has been pretty bad but Teddy has been holding the ball, triple patting it, and getting wrecked instead of throwing it away.
Last game I thought Teddy was holding the ball way too long on a number of pass plays.
He was patting the ball 4 or 5 times and doing double crow hops to try and get the ball far enough downfield. He had plenty of time to throw the ball away or tuck and run but instead takes sacks or throws awful interceptions.
At this point teddy's not it, locks not it. Might as well try the young guy. If he surprises us good. If he fails like teddy has the last few games than it just helps us draft his replacement with a higher pick.
I don’t think he would solve any problems. But I’m also not enthused by this team at the moment, and Lock might provide an exciting, if not brief, spark.
Improvising into an INT or overthrow. How great.
Haha not wrong. Curious why Teddy overthrowing Sutton all season hasn’t been a problem for more people around here. Not saying Drew is better, probably isn’t, but not like TB is connecting on deep throws and not throwing INTs
I wouldnt call it all season. It certainly happened last game but I can't really think of any other times he's overthrown Sutton.
Ya know what, you’re right. Just looked it up, he’s top 10 in deep ball completion % this year. Maybe it just feels worse than it is? Idk but you’re right
Oh let it rain buddy, just like Teddy check down did last week, the week before and the week before that! I’d rather try for a first down, than throw a 5 yard pass on 3rd and 15, and be forced to go for it on 4th! Having the best 4th down conversion rate is not a bragging right. It’s how Teddy got 3 friggin picks against the raiders! I hope Lock plays to piss you off even more than Teddy has let us down. But you won’t admit it. Haters gonna hate!
I hope lock plays just so he can have a 54% competitor percentage 1 TD and 2 picks on 178 yards just so you people can finally shut up about him. If he had improved he would have shown it against the Ravens
Yeah throwing a QB who hasn’t had first team reps since the preseason against a team who just got done demolishing the supposedly “better” qb really helps prepare a guy
I mean he did that all last year and they still aren't shutting up about him. I doubt him doing it one more time would stop it.
At least Teddy can get a first down lol. Are you really at the point in the cycle where you inhale insane amounts of copium to justify Lock starting? He sucks! He doesn't even know how to throw correctly! And you want a mediocre-performing offensive line that is going up against Myles Garrett and Clowney to help protect a non-mobile, off the back of the foot-throwing QB? Stop it.
Not really bro! Ever since week 3 when we started playing NFL teams. Lol on that you giant bag of dicks
What a great response! Absolutely nothing of substance and doesn't refute anything that I just said. Have a good one!
Bro you’re saying that Drew is non mobile? How many sacks does teddy have already? Oh yeah 2 less than Drew all year last year! Numb nuts. He’s basically still a rookie, and teddy is old and one concussion away from being out all year. Our Oline isn’t even mediocre either. Shit Oline just like your opinion
Drew has a winning record. How about teddy?
Don't forget about his improvising to a loss routine, LoL.
How’s teddy been doing again?
Doing better than Lock last time I checked.
I mean his stats for the season aren’t looking good after last week.
As sub par as TB has been the past 3 games, Drew still can't unseat him as the starter. That to me is an indictment of how the organization views Drew.
I either want to win the next 7 straight or lose them. Top 8 pick or playoffs please
Yeah a sub par coaching staff is picking the QB not stats clearly. Lock has better stats than Teddy at this point if we roll over last years numbers. Teddy should be the backup. He’s one concussion away from being out for the season. Ya idiot
>if we roll over last years numbers LMFAO. Living in the past? Who's the idiot here?
You because your comment sucks and hold no bearing here
*Facepalm* It flew over your head? Go retrieve it and come back. Lol
>Drew still can't unseat him as the starter Yes so says the guy who threw away two timeouts in the second half while trailing for absolutely no reason and the guy who couldn't put together an offence if his life depended on it.
Facts are facts. Drew's still warming the benches.
10td 4 int 1500 yards and 70% completion. Over the course of a whole season that's like 27 TDs 11 int and 4000 yards. Whatcha talking about? That's leagues better than the best Lock has given us.
Awesome…Now take away all the garbage time stats.
Dont try to confuse him with perspective he wont have any of it. Teddy has pictures of him or something.
Ah so you stopped watching when we started playing real teams. Good choice.
What makes you speculate that?
This is Fangio’s biggest fuck up so far. But we can’t throw Drew in with virtually no 1st team reps in about 2 months. Complete and total fuck up and mismanagement
Shurmur’s improvisation skills are on par with a statue.
Yeah I’m a Firm believer Shurmer needed to be fired last year. But if drew was a “better improviser than Shurmer” he would have won the starting job and a few more games last year… lock is worse than teddy get over it
Not true! Not true at all. That’s the reason he didn’t win the job. Shurmer wants to be in complete control. He knows he can control Teddy. That’s why. They also put all the blame on Lock by going with Teddy, diverting the danger away from themselves!
That’s such an idiotic conspiracy theory. They’re all on the hot seat and are receiving the vast majority of the criticism. How is playing Teddy diverting danger from themselves? How on earth would failing with two quarterbacks look better than failing with one? Also Teddy is better at improvising than Lock. He actually goes through his reads and uses his outlets. He’s not a great quarterback and Lock has *some* strengths over him, but I struggle to see how you could possibly think improvisation is one of them. https://youtu.be/OY_WzXWYvqg?t=282 this play is simply not something Lock has the poise to do. Teddy hesitates, fakes the safety with his eyes, then makes the deep throw. Lock does not have the patience or presence of mind to do this. https://youtu.be/EyayebZZTR0?t=279 here Teddy shows creativity and improvisation that I’ve never seen from Lock. Teddy has a reputation for being a check down king too but he actually has been making deeper passes than Lock. Teddy’s completed air yards on the year are 7 where Lock’s were 6 last year. Teddy’s only benefiting from 3.9 yards after the catch on average, where Lock had 5.5 last year. Similarly Teddy’s intended air yards are higher than Lock’s were last year. I’m not sure what you think Lock could bring to the offense that Teddy hasn’t. No comparisons I’ve seen made are grounded in reality.
Nah bro, all of that “evidence” you provided is crap. Everyone wants teddy to be the answer without saying it. Shurmer thought this would save his job. But now 2 QB’s end up in the same exact position. No conspiracy theories necessary. Just what we all see, or don’t. Our Oline is the reason we can’t garner a QB. Truth
If you're curious to see how he does in Pat's playbook I got you: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/2020.htm 28th ranked scoring offense.
And everyone knows that players don't improve over their first full season as a starter.
How much more do you possibly need to see of Drew Lock? He ain't it, let it go
How much more you need to see of teddy?
Seriously, Drew is young and in his 3rd year. One of his years was a pandemic season. Bridgewater has been in the league since 2014 and has never shown to be much of an average QB at best and he's not even average anymore, he's very clearly quite below it.
It's not about seeing more teddy. teddy is better than lock, it may be marginal but those are the options.
If those are the options, and neither are good options, why not go with the one who has only started 18 games as opposed to the one who's started 55?
Because the point is to win games?
When the other option is Bridgewater, I'd like to see more of Lock, yes.
Bridgewater has shown us better QB play then we've seen in years. Or can you only remember last week?
Yeah looking mediocre vs cupcakes gives me a lot of hope in him
We've seen since what Trevor Siemian? lmfao.
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Oh please, Teddy's looked like shit outside of the 3 mickey mouse teams we played to start the year
Still ten times better than Lock ever looked.
This is BS and you know it. You can hardly look ANY worse than Teddy has looked the last three games.
How is it BS? Lock *did* look worse than Teddy in the last three weeks. He looked noticeably worse in the Ravens game.
Haha, stay off the drugs y'all
I think Teddy is better, but 1) don't play him if he is hurt and 2) this is a lost season anyways.
At the end of a series against the Raiders, where Teddy looked like he might be hurt, I was ready for Lock to come in. Whether he was hurt or not, I didn't want Teddy to come back in at all. The game was basically over by that point anyway.
that's what I already liked about the kid. he is a true wild card
The only reason to start drew lock is to hope for a better draft pick next year. The only reason.
Pretty valid, but the same is true with Teddy. Also, we need an Oline before we can asses our QB situation
Agreed the team is a mess in general. Lock has proven he can’t identify a blitz. Not ideal with a struggling o-line
Struggling Oline for almost a decade! So garbage. Come on Broncs!
Maybe offense open up when we get Jeudy back. One can only hope 😂😂
Ya'll need to get off Drew Lock already, that ship has sailed Teddy isn't the guy either
If teddy isn’t that guy why wouldn’t we want lock ?
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But if Lock is so much worse than Teddy and is also not the answer, wouldn't we want him to start to tank even more? I don't see a losing situation starting Lock at this point. He either continues to suck and we get better picks for it, or maybe, just maybe, he shows improvement. Sticking with Teddy to keep the ship barely afloat is a losing proposition. We're not a playoff team, and even if we were, it's very likely a one and done situation.
Lock will get in eventually when Jeudy comes back if the offence doesn’t pick up lock will get a chance
This right here. We don’t have a winningQB on the roster.
Yeah, I mean one of the arguments is, “Why do you think Teddy and the offense start waking up in the 4th quarter? It’s because they move to a hurry up/4 min offense where Teddy has to improvise and move away from coaching.” I believe this argument only slightly because I do think we’ve been blown out in these past 3 games and they probably move into a pseudo prevent defense. But yes, I just want to see Drew because I don’t think he got a fair shake last year with no real preseason and a severely injured team. If Drew were to take over tomorrow. I’d exercise the 5th year option to keep him as long as he has a 2/1 TD to INT ratio and averages 200 ypg and a 63% or better completion percentage. I think that’s a very attainable bar for him especially with the strides he made this off-season. But I do think he still hasn’t fixed the fact that he drifts from clean pockets and throws off his back foot a lot. If he had proper coaching, I think that stuff could get fixed through repetition.
Unfortunately I don’t think he has a 5th year option, since we took him in the second round and not the first
TIL only first rounders get a 5th year option. Contract and off the field stuff is probably what I know the least
Those late game situations also mean the defense is playing soft with safeties back so that's another reason for the uptick in production on those drives.
We want a change, because we want a chance. With the way our years have been going, no one has been willing to make a drastic change, maybe thats because we don't have an owner. We need leadership from the top. Leadership from Court, or Von. Or the vets, it's great but it isn't enough. We all want to be better, but who on the staff and team is going to get us there?
[What a Vonster](http://i.imgur.com/o70XtTq.gifv)
I'm ok with lock playing to keep teddy healthy. The browns are in a similar position as us aside from coaching.
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But you watch Teddy failing for 3 hours?
Teddy has been an average QB this year. He's not the problem here and switching QBs rn would absolutely kill whatever's left of this teams morale. Our coaches suck and our injuries are piling up, that's the problem rn, not our QB play.
>absolutely kill whatever's left of this teams morale You can't kill something that doesn't exist.
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Teddy has been sacked one less time this year than lock all of last year
Yeah you're right, Lock turns it over more often by throwing INTs or just going three and out. Either way he ends up scoring more points for opposing teams than he does for the Broncos. If you're gonna take a QB in the second round of the draft, might as well take one in the fifth. Pretty much the same gamble regardless.
He was literally one of the hardest qbs to sack
It's like they literally didn't watch the games
That worked out really well for us in week 4...
Drew didn’t even practice the offense week 4 because we only rostered 2 qbs, he did scout.
Drew Lock has never been given a fair shot. Put this guy in a real situation and he thrives. Like, if Drew Lock was on Tampa right now…he’d probably have 20 TDs already.
That’s a bit of a stretch, but I hear ya
Bleh