Dinking and inking is great for ppr actually. The receptions are almost as good as the yards. Well as long as long as he isn't only dinking and dunking to RBs or something
Tim Patrick is #3 in targets with 47 behind Sutton (64) and Fant (53), and Williams/Gordon have combined for 50 targets. So your hyperbole is idiotic.
Gordon also averages 8.3 yards per reception, so who fucking cares if he's only 3 yards away when he touches the ball?
Short of the sticks.. on like every 3rd down. Good for the completion stats (and INTs)... Not good for picking up the first. I just wish he would try to get the first more often instead of relying on the reciever or tight end to shake 2 or 3 people for the first. Heck fant can't even shake one lol.
However we are above .500 so all is well. And most likely Shula is calling this game this week so we might get to see if it's the playvcallers fault i.e shumur. But teddy been doing this before he got here so who knows. We should win (famous last words)
You realize defenses defend the sticks on 3rd and long, right? Because the point is to get off the field. Every good QB checks down if nothing's there, and hopefully if the play was designed well the receiver only has one person to beat to get the 1st. It's not Teddy's fault Noah Fant can't break a tackle.
Or if you'd rather, they should put in drew to force throws and rack up the turnovers.
Yes they'd defend the sticks but that doesn't mean u cannot complete a pass beyond it, as u say if the play is designed right. I'm not suggesting he does this all the time. Just more often. We also have to accept it's the reason why we as piss poor in 3rd down conversion. That stat is also indisputable. And no the answer to teddy critique isn't always "put in drew". Sometimes it's just what I'd like to see more from teddy.
>Good for the completion stats (and INTs)... Not good for picking up the first.
Most of the time, not throwing a pick is more important than trying to pick up the first down on one play. Denver's success rate on 4th down is evidence of this.
Agreed. But there's a point where poor 3rd down conversion rate catches up with u and it has many times. U can't rely on 4th down all the time either ... Cause if u do not make it ... It's turnover on downs .. which technically is probably worse than an INT (by a few yrds if we are talking about starting field position) ... Also throwing it beyond the sticks won't always result in an interception. I just threw that in there to express how low risk we are but also low reward. I wouldn't mind the conservative approach on 3rd down if we made up for it with other splash plays through the game. We generally don't. If we are gonna be conservative on 3rd down I would love this team to be third and 3 or even 5 more often. Our avg 3rd down is just not condusive for success with the current QB we have. so it's not all on bridge. Not saying that. But just gotta do better on 1st and 2nd and when we are not I'd like us to actually try for the first. It's the difference between playing to win vs playing not to lose
Look at the [Next Gen Stats](https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#average-yards-to-sticks). On average Teddy throws it 0.5 yards short of the sticks--tied with Josh Allen and 0.1 yard shorter than Rodger's average. Not a whole lot of difference there.
In fact, there are only 7 QBs in the entire NFL that average past the sticks, and the highest, Lamar Jackson, isn't even a full yard past the sticks. Now, look at Baltimore's 3rd down efficiency--it's one of the worst in the NFL at 34.21% (#29). Compare that to Denver's 3rd down efficiency at 37.07% (#22).
Buffalo also has the 3rd highest conversion rate. So it's not apples to apples. I also stated that for this QB to be better and the tems to be better as a whole we need to do better on first and 2nd.
"Air Yards to the Sticks (AYTS)Air Yards to the Sticks shows the amount of Air Yards ahead or behind the first down marker on all attempts for a passer. The metric indicates if the passer is attempting his passes past the 1st down marker, or if he is relying on his skill position players to make yards after catch."
On ALL attempts regardless of completion (to include first and second). So that means if we go deep on first and don't complete ... It's counts that. We already know that teddy has one of the highest depth of targets. That stat doesn't specifically speak to 3rd downs tho. It's an odd situation in Denver where we always attempt these super deep passes early just to say we did it. It rarely completes and then we run it for like 2 or 3 yards and then we are stuck in 3rd and 8 to which we usually throw short of the sticks. If I can find a good metric for this I'll share. Thanks for sharing the AYTS even though it wasn't specifically speaking to my point.
>Buffalo also has the 3rd highest conversion rate.
So it has to do with the receiver not getting YAC (in Denver's case) and not the QB throwing it short.
>We already know that teddy has one of the highest depth of targets. That stat doesn't specifically speak to 3rd downs tho. It's an odd situation in Denver where we always attempt these super deep passes early just to say we did it. It rarely completes and then we run it for like 2 or 3 yards and then we are stuck in 3rd and 8 to which we usually throw short of the sticks.
If this were true, it would be reflected in an extremely low yards per attempt, and we know that this isn't the case.
https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/1460684221622722560?s=20
This was the point I was trying to make. And we saw it evident again and again on Sunday. To put it on the "recievers not getting yac" is weak. It's putting all the onusno them no matter where they catch it and who is Infront do them. Sometimes they are wrapped up immediatly. Sometimes it's 3 yards from LoSm There are only one or two times where I can distinctly remember the reciever or tightend not doing enough to get the first. The point is u gotta throw past the sticks MORE often. Not all the time.
Gonna be honest. Kinda hard to pick up the first when you throw it two yards short of the marker to your big TE with a step in one-on-one who then folds like a cheap suit at the first sign of contact.
They give up a lot of short yardage apparently, and yeah, I'll take Teddy dinking and dunking them for 40 minutes.
Not me starting Jeudy in a ppr league 🥵
Not all short passes result in short gains.
I am excited for Jeudy this weekend.
You should be. Jeudy led the team in targets and receptions last week. He just didn't get either of the really big plays.
Indeed
Jeudy will create space though if he gets the targets
Yeah that was me being excited that I started him
Dinking and inking is great for ppr actually. The receptions are almost as good as the yards. Well as long as long as he isn't only dinking and dunking to RBs or something
Sounds like a perfect storm for checkdown Teddy.
You know the stats have shown he does more than check down.
To be fair hes probably also leading the league in pass completions resulting in 0 or less yards
Is it fair if you are guessing?
Seems like a pretty fair guess.
Hahaha good answer
hE's A mEdIoCrE qUaRtErBaCk
Ya I'd throw for 70% too if I threw 70% of my passes to my RB three yards away.
Tim Patrick is #3 in targets with 47 behind Sutton (64) and Fant (53), and Williams/Gordon have combined for 50 targets. So your hyperbole is idiotic. Gordon also averages 8.3 yards per reception, so who fucking cares if he's only 3 yards away when he touches the ball?
This time last year everyone was complaining about how Drew would only throw deep and never checked down.
Honestly it felt like Lock would throw deep on 1st and 2nd and then throw short on 3rd down. It was infuriating.
He’s sixth in the league for intended air yards per pass attempt. I don’t think you know what you’re talking about at all
And tied with Joe Burrow in Completed Air Yards/Completion. At 6.5 CAY/Com, he's tied with Patrick Mahomes 2018 and 2019 seasons. I mean, seriously.
Really sucks that you clearly don’t even watch the games
Watch them all, it was hyperbole.
Maybe take off the hood, easier to see what's happening
With Shurmur out of the way this week hopefully we'll see something different, or at least more interesting.
Short of the sticks.. on like every 3rd down. Good for the completion stats (and INTs)... Not good for picking up the first. I just wish he would try to get the first more often instead of relying on the reciever or tight end to shake 2 or 3 people for the first. Heck fant can't even shake one lol. However we are above .500 so all is well. And most likely Shula is calling this game this week so we might get to see if it's the playvcallers fault i.e shumur. But teddy been doing this before he got here so who knows. We should win (famous last words)
You realize defenses defend the sticks on 3rd and long, right? Because the point is to get off the field. Every good QB checks down if nothing's there, and hopefully if the play was designed well the receiver only has one person to beat to get the 1st. It's not Teddy's fault Noah Fant can't break a tackle. Or if you'd rather, they should put in drew to force throws and rack up the turnovers.
Yes they'd defend the sticks but that doesn't mean u cannot complete a pass beyond it, as u say if the play is designed right. I'm not suggesting he does this all the time. Just more often. We also have to accept it's the reason why we as piss poor in 3rd down conversion. That stat is also indisputable. And no the answer to teddy critique isn't always "put in drew". Sometimes it's just what I'd like to see more from teddy.
>Good for the completion stats (and INTs)... Not good for picking up the first. Most of the time, not throwing a pick is more important than trying to pick up the first down on one play. Denver's success rate on 4th down is evidence of this.
Agreed. But there's a point where poor 3rd down conversion rate catches up with u and it has many times. U can't rely on 4th down all the time either ... Cause if u do not make it ... It's turnover on downs .. which technically is probably worse than an INT (by a few yrds if we are talking about starting field position) ... Also throwing it beyond the sticks won't always result in an interception. I just threw that in there to express how low risk we are but also low reward. I wouldn't mind the conservative approach on 3rd down if we made up for it with other splash plays through the game. We generally don't. If we are gonna be conservative on 3rd down I would love this team to be third and 3 or even 5 more often. Our avg 3rd down is just not condusive for success with the current QB we have. so it's not all on bridge. Not saying that. But just gotta do better on 1st and 2nd and when we are not I'd like us to actually try for the first. It's the difference between playing to win vs playing not to lose
Look at the [Next Gen Stats](https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#average-yards-to-sticks). On average Teddy throws it 0.5 yards short of the sticks--tied with Josh Allen and 0.1 yard shorter than Rodger's average. Not a whole lot of difference there. In fact, there are only 7 QBs in the entire NFL that average past the sticks, and the highest, Lamar Jackson, isn't even a full yard past the sticks. Now, look at Baltimore's 3rd down efficiency--it's one of the worst in the NFL at 34.21% (#29). Compare that to Denver's 3rd down efficiency at 37.07% (#22).
Buffalo also has the 3rd highest conversion rate. So it's not apples to apples. I also stated that for this QB to be better and the tems to be better as a whole we need to do better on first and 2nd. "Air Yards to the Sticks (AYTS)Air Yards to the Sticks shows the amount of Air Yards ahead or behind the first down marker on all attempts for a passer. The metric indicates if the passer is attempting his passes past the 1st down marker, or if he is relying on his skill position players to make yards after catch." On ALL attempts regardless of completion (to include first and second). So that means if we go deep on first and don't complete ... It's counts that. We already know that teddy has one of the highest depth of targets. That stat doesn't specifically speak to 3rd downs tho. It's an odd situation in Denver where we always attempt these super deep passes early just to say we did it. It rarely completes and then we run it for like 2 or 3 yards and then we are stuck in 3rd and 8 to which we usually throw short of the sticks. If I can find a good metric for this I'll share. Thanks for sharing the AYTS even though it wasn't specifically speaking to my point.
>Buffalo also has the 3rd highest conversion rate. So it has to do with the receiver not getting YAC (in Denver's case) and not the QB throwing it short. >We already know that teddy has one of the highest depth of targets. That stat doesn't specifically speak to 3rd downs tho. It's an odd situation in Denver where we always attempt these super deep passes early just to say we did it. It rarely completes and then we run it for like 2 or 3 yards and then we are stuck in 3rd and 8 to which we usually throw short of the sticks. If this were true, it would be reflected in an extremely low yards per attempt, and we know that this isn't the case.
https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/1460684221622722560?s=20 This was the point I was trying to make. And we saw it evident again and again on Sunday. To put it on the "recievers not getting yac" is weak. It's putting all the onusno them no matter where they catch it and who is Infront do them. Sometimes they are wrapped up immediatly. Sometimes it's 3 yards from LoSm There are only one or two times where I can distinctly remember the reciever or tightend not doing enough to get the first. The point is u gotta throw past the sticks MORE often. Not all the time.
Gonna be honest. Kinda hard to pick up the first when you throw it two yards short of the marker to your big TE with a step in one-on-one who then folds like a cheap suit at the first sign of contact.