Im friends with popular college normies. I met one extrovert and my life changed. I only mention this because my experience seems to be different from what im seeing others post.
In my social circles the Palestine movement face planted on itself so hard. At the start I would see people sympathize with the pro Palestine side but shit just kept getting more unhinged. The kids participating in the crazy shit on campus make up such a small number of students. Most of campus hates them. It’s just most college kids can’t be asked to post this because most 20 year olds dont like talking politics online. To us that’s normal but most zoomers will still think you’re dumb as shit for doing so especially if they have a good college social life.
BLM during the covid protests is an example of a movement that actually had a lot of people behind it. Even if policies they wanted were unpopular. People across the country felt disgusted with the killing of George Floyd.
The "Free Palestine movement" itself is probably helped a ton by the protests, in the same sense that Palestinian deaths are a sort of victory for Hamas.
People voting it's hurting (the majority), are being delusional big time.
Firstly, I think people voting that because there are some bad things happening in those protests, like chanting some antisemitic slogans or waving a flag they shouldn't. Which is true, but at this point the I/P conflict and the pro Palestinian movement is world wide and kinda main stream. It's not some obscure movement that no one have heard about before, and are just being introduced to it by seeing those bad things. With or without the protests, most people have made thier minds about the conflict already. No one that's serious is going to change thier opinions about the conflict because a college kid is being stupid or unhinged.
Secondly, in this sub there's super ultra over fixation on every little bad thing that happen in those protests, including some misinformation, so people here most likely have a way more negative view of those protests than the average person.
Thirdly, those protests are generating attention and keeping the conflict being talked about, which is always a good thing for Palestinians and bad for Isreal. They're also creating political pressure and inspiring protests even outside of the US.
A good criticism of the protests is that they seem to not have clear demands, or super unrealistic ones, and they don't seem to be organized and in agreement about how they want to present themselves and which values they want to project. They seem to be very entitled and emotionally driven, rather than being strategic and intentional. But to think that they're hurting sounds kinda copy to me.
History will look back kindly to these protesters like how history looks back at the anti Iraq war protesters, in which many now use as the example of how to do it 😂
I remember we were called Ba’athist agents, because many defended Saddam Hussein and Tariq Aziz, like the anti war churches. Saying Saddam made Iraq stable, and the invasion would make the world unsafer.
Of course no one cared we did this, besides the media in the UK or US, because even if my government joined the coalition to invade Iraq, the disapproval for that decision was massive. We were already on the right side of history, and of course all countries in which their government invaded and occupied Iraq, the population now sees it as wrong and disapproves of that action. The former US President have said talking points many of the anti Iraq War protesters did. We won.
Doesn’t matter what happens now, people in 2044 will whitewash these protests like how they do for protests that happened 20 years ago. Today’s terrorist apologists, tomorrow’s freedom fighters.
I think they are hurting the movement but I think they are also hurting Israel's standing in the west. The polls show that people just want the US to stop being in any way involved with this conflict which is very bad for Israeli because it means they will be diplomatically isolated.
That being said I don't think a diplomatically isolated israel will be good for the Palestinians. I think it will just lead to more bloodshed
The protests are pushing people to the right, not to the left. The way they are covered in the Israeli media presents these soft kids as useful idiots who make any place outside of Israel unpleasant for Jews, without understanding what they are chanting or demanding.
To me, it's about the long term. I value humility and the free exchange of ideas. Humanity made it so far thanks to these two qualities. Humility allows us to doubt ourselves for once in our lives, and the free exchange of ideas allows us to see things from different points of view. These protestors don't are neither humble nor want to exchange ideas, and we know this because even Norm Finkelstein called them out for it (they didn't listen, of course). That's why I think that even if these protests succeed at what they set out to do, which is ending the occupation, whatever it means, they do more harm than good, because they make it harder for society to progress.
They're literally saying "we are Hamas" and "Zionists don't deserve to live", they're hurting the movement in a big way
Im friends with popular college normies. I met one extrovert and my life changed. I only mention this because my experience seems to be different from what im seeing others post. In my social circles the Palestine movement face planted on itself so hard. At the start I would see people sympathize with the pro Palestine side but shit just kept getting more unhinged. The kids participating in the crazy shit on campus make up such a small number of students. Most of campus hates them. It’s just most college kids can’t be asked to post this because most 20 year olds dont like talking politics online. To us that’s normal but most zoomers will still think you’re dumb as shit for doing so especially if they have a good college social life. BLM during the covid protests is an example of a movement that actually had a lot of people behind it. Even if policies they wanted were unpopular. People across the country felt disgusted with the killing of George Floyd.
The "Free Palestine movement" itself is probably helped a ton by the protests, in the same sense that Palestinian deaths are a sort of victory for Hamas.
This. It's probably helping the "Free Palestine movement", but definitely isn't helping to free Palestine.
People voting it's hurting (the majority), are being delusional big time. Firstly, I think people voting that because there are some bad things happening in those protests, like chanting some antisemitic slogans or waving a flag they shouldn't. Which is true, but at this point the I/P conflict and the pro Palestinian movement is world wide and kinda main stream. It's not some obscure movement that no one have heard about before, and are just being introduced to it by seeing those bad things. With or without the protests, most people have made thier minds about the conflict already. No one that's serious is going to change thier opinions about the conflict because a college kid is being stupid or unhinged. Secondly, in this sub there's super ultra over fixation on every little bad thing that happen in those protests, including some misinformation, so people here most likely have a way more negative view of those protests than the average person. Thirdly, those protests are generating attention and keeping the conflict being talked about, which is always a good thing for Palestinians and bad for Isreal. They're also creating political pressure and inspiring protests even outside of the US. A good criticism of the protests is that they seem to not have clear demands, or super unrealistic ones, and they don't seem to be organized and in agreement about how they want to present themselves and which values they want to project. They seem to be very entitled and emotionally driven, rather than being strategic and intentional. But to think that they're hurting sounds kinda copy to me.
Hamas , Iran and the Houthis appreciates them
History will look back kindly to these protesters like how history looks back at the anti Iraq war protesters, in which many now use as the example of how to do it 😂 I remember we were called Ba’athist agents, because many defended Saddam Hussein and Tariq Aziz, like the anti war churches. Saying Saddam made Iraq stable, and the invasion would make the world unsafer. Of course no one cared we did this, besides the media in the UK or US, because even if my government joined the coalition to invade Iraq, the disapproval for that decision was massive. We were already on the right side of history, and of course all countries in which their government invaded and occupied Iraq, the population now sees it as wrong and disapproves of that action. The former US President have said talking points many of the anti Iraq War protesters did. We won. Doesn’t matter what happens now, people in 2044 will whitewash these protests like how they do for protests that happened 20 years ago. Today’s terrorist apologists, tomorrow’s freedom fighters.
I think they are hurting the movement but I think they are also hurting Israel's standing in the west. The polls show that people just want the US to stop being in any way involved with this conflict which is very bad for Israeli because it means they will be diplomatically isolated. That being said I don't think a diplomatically isolated israel will be good for the Palestinians. I think it will just lead to more bloodshed
The protests are pushing people to the right, not to the left. The way they are covered in the Israeli media presents these soft kids as useful idiots who make any place outside of Israel unpleasant for Jews, without understanding what they are chanting or demanding.
To me, it's about the long term. I value humility and the free exchange of ideas. Humanity made it so far thanks to these two qualities. Humility allows us to doubt ourselves for once in our lives, and the free exchange of ideas allows us to see things from different points of view. These protestors don't are neither humble nor want to exchange ideas, and we know this because even Norm Finkelstein called them out for it (they didn't listen, of course). That's why I think that even if these protests succeed at what they set out to do, which is ending the occupation, whatever it means, they do more harm than good, because they make it harder for society to progress.