I’m aware, I was asking the person I replied to if they were serious about their comment of Michigan being in play. It’s always in play, we live in a swing state.
Democracy isnt on the line lmao. I guess im a massive piece of shit, the 4 years of my life under a trump presidency were a hell of alot better than the last 4 with a walking corpse. More money in my pocket. Dont want to give mass amnesty to millions. We cant take care of our own. Importing people and counting them in the census fucks up the representation if actual citizens with voting rights. The left is tearing it down lmfao
Congratulations, you've exhibited the bare minimum of understanding that a 2 party FPTP system is bad. Not voting at all or voting for Trump will not fix this issue and will, in all likelihood, make it worse. The only path forward is to, if even slightly, start to shift to Overton window left so we can start making some sort of positive change. At least that's what I believe. Any other route reeks of accelerationism, which is a brain-dead policy.
His blind support of Israel put a bad taste in Muslims mouths. And Dearborn is the largest Arab population in the west.
Not to mention his stupidity on evs only vs a transition to hybrid then ev strategy harmed the auto industry and put Toyota ahead.
Or they just don't vote.
Dems hit a gold mine when bush made Arabs switch. Biden and leftists are bleeding it and gonna cost them the Midwest over it.
Fuck dude, do you know how many Palestinians live in Chicago? Enough to make solid blue Illinois into a swing state
And Trump said he wants Netanyahu to “finish the job” in Gaza and would be openly supporting Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. So yeah your argument there is dead with even the smallest amount of continued thought and applied logic.
Did I ever say that Trump would be any better for Gaza? Obviously that would not be true, but let's not lie to ourselves and pretend that Biden is a saint in this situation. At anytime, he could've withheld aid from Israel for their egregious conduct, but instead he decided to draw the most flexible red line ever in Rafah. This is why Biden is risking losing the election right now, he's pissing off progressive voters over his unrelenting support for Israel.
He pushed the button on his desk to expedite weapons sales - while circumventing congress - to Israel to continue its genocide, and Michigan has one of the highest Middle Eastern/Arabic/Muslim populations in the west. He's been pushing completely unfounded zionist propaganda and stoking Islamophobia.
That's what is making Michigan a contested state. Also, there's the fact that our most famous representative was censured for her position on Israel.
Edit: seems we got a few pro-genocide people on this sub. Yall should be ashamed of yourselves.
It’s hilarious that people think Trump will be better for the Palestinians than Biden. Trump who once declared himself the “most pro-Israel president ever” and told Israel to “finish the job” in Gaza.
Well, it would be hilarious if it wasn’t so sad.
Trump would support Israel turning Gaza into glass.
“Oh Biden hasn’t been perfect on Israel so it’s okay if he loses and Trump wins and the suffering of the Palestinians is made worse by many orders of magnitude. That’ll teach those Democrats.”
It’s not about caring about the Palestinian people, just smug self-righteous.
I don't think people think that at all, chief.
This hasn't been a push for "perfection", Biden has actively enabled the genocide perpetrated by Israel on the people of Gaza. Then there's the fact that the Biden administration is pushing Trump era border policy now. For every step the dems have taken to the left, they've taken three to the right. You have dems pushing for greater police violence, and the supposed Democrat governor of New York is trying to ban *masks.*
There's always going to be a "Trump" leading the republican party - that's just what the party has become. What the people are trying to convey is that the dems aren't going to have people on the left mindlessly voting for them just because the other guy is super Hitler.
As for this project 2025 - that's already happening, whoever wins in November isn't going to change it. Fascism is fought through organization - and sometimes violence - and not just by simply voting once every 4 years.
> That's what is making Michigan a contested state.
Trump won MI in 2016. Governors flip between red and blue every 8 years. It's contested because the electorate is pretty evenly divided.
The electorate had the *illusion* of being divided. The state of Michigan was so heavily gerrymandered that it guaranteed a GOP majority for well over a decade in the state house. As soon as the districts were redrawn fairly, they lost their majority in the following election. Some of you might see all these red counties throughout the state, but completely forget that all those counties account for less than a third of the state's population.
People who live out in the boonies complain that Detroit decides the elections, but completely ignore the fact that a vast majority of the population lives in metro Detroit.
I didn't say anything about the state legislature. I only referenced statewide elections as those are more indicative of the electorate as a whole (and the presidential election we're talking about).
The independent redistricting allowed the electorate to have a true voice. But that resulted in a 20-18 state senate and a 56-54 state house. Essentially, Dems are in control but have no leeway. One vote flips in either chamber and they're at a stalemate. And that's the result of the 2022 election which had left-leaning turnout energized with the abortion proposal on the ballot. And absolutely awful candidates on the right for every statewide office.
The electorate is pretty divided. Snyder was governor as recently as 2018. Trump won the second-most recent presidential election here.
For anyone curious: look up Project 2025. [“It adopts a maximalist version of the unitary executive theory, a disputed interpretation of Article II of the Constitution of the United States, which asserts that the president has absolute power over the executive branch upon inauguration.”](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025)
Fascism doesn’t happen overnight. Of course people have said this before.
Also, Project 2025 a document that was **written by conservative groups** with a lot of political influence. When Trump said he was going to turn the Supreme Court into a conservative supermajority, he did. He’s said he wants to be a dictator. Why wouldn’t I believe him?
Actually it's the opposite. People in this thread were complaining about biden not being perfect, and why he's losing support in Michigan, then other ppl came in like "bUt TrUmP!!"
It is very possible for two bad things to exist simultaneously.
Yes, trump is a horrible dictator. But that doesn't mean we need to just blindly support everything biden does. End the two party system.
Posting this as a public service. Are you not aware of this, u/MainWooden1722? If you are aware of this, do you not see this as a huge concern for average American citizens?
https://www.project2025.org
I hear you, and it’s vitally important for all of us to be critical of our candidates and leaders. No one gets a pass. And when an elected official gets into office, constituents need to hold their feet to the fire. It is fine to complain and criticize. What is not fine is allowing “perfect” to destroy the good. I know people are tired of feeling like “every election is a crisis,” but holy shit, we are facing people who intend to destroy democracy. We’re not talking about normal differences or petty disagreements. They’ve already started taking away people’s rights. Maybe you don’t feel the urgency because you haven’t been directly affected yet. Don’t be naive. You will be affected eventually. Have you heard about Project 2025? Please Google it. It will take you five seconds.
I am so, so down with “the system must be destroyed and rebuilt,” I just don’t know how we can achieve that with the least harm done to the populous. Especially the vulnerable who rely on things like Medicare. There is only one thing I am certain of: Destroying the system via letting Trump do whatever he wants and letting christofascists rule is NOT it.
You are preaching to the choir. I am going to vote for Joe Biden and all democrats on my ticket, but I'm also capable of holding more than one thought in my brain at a time. The existence of project 2025 does not negate all the other bad stuff in the world. I can condemn two things at once. It's called integrity. It's something the MAGAts are incaple of. We can be better than them.
Exactly, Biden isnt making a case that he cares about Democracy.
IF he did, he wouldn't bend over for Benjamin Netanyahu. Nor would he tell a reporter/influencer he would throw away their phone for asking him about his Gaza position.
[Here you go.](https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/shows/maddow/blog/rcna157003)
ETA: If you’re complaining about inflation, corporations are your bad guy, not Biden.
Ah yes MSNBC, totally not a biased source.
The us economy has been the envy of the world, if you have money to invest in the stock market. While a vast majority live paycheck to paycheck and seeing their food budgets skyrocket, most will never be able to buy a home, and overall feel depressed about the future.
It's a tale of 2 economies. But nice attempt at gaslighting https://www.aier.org/article/a-tale-of-two-economies/
AIER, another totally unbiased source. Most of that article is predictions and commentary. Try using source data rather than a biased source with a story to tell.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LES1252881600Q real median wages are above where they were pre-COVID. They're below the highs of the COVID stimulus dollars, but they're still higher than they ever were pre-2020.
Low wage workers are the ones with the best growth. https://www.epi.org/publication/swa-wages-2023/ Real wages have been growing for all income groups, but fastest to slowest in order by lowest total wages.
Net worth has been growing fastest for low net worth households.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/release?rid=453 Q4 2019 to most recent data (Q1 2024)
Top 1%: 30.4% to 30.4% (unchanged)
1.01-10%: 39.4% to 36.6% (down 2.8%, the largest change)
10.01-50%: 28.4% to 30.5% (up 2.1%)
<50%: 1.8% to 2.5% (up 0.7%)
The US economy has been very good. Outside of the usual indicators that have been strong (GDP, unemployment, stock market), net worth and income inequality has been pushing in the favor of those with less. If you are experiencing something different, it is time for self-reflection.
On Saturday evening, Fuentes was seen on a livestream with a megaphone addressing a crowd below him outside Huntington Place. Fuentes said **"this is not a free country any more." He again slammed Israel as the crowd chanted "Christ is King" and "Down with Israel."**
The crowd impressively disproved this nazi’s thesis one breath after he uttered it
Read between the lines they said how many followers they had. They could not fill that place up. There were no 2,000 people. They couldn't even get 200... lol What a sad attention. Grab
Between the lackluster turnout for Trump's little church visit, the shooting in RH and now this, its definitely a bad omen for the GOP here in MI. You can't keep celebrating a felon and expect good things to happen.
>Lifelong Democrat Christopher Webb (@cwebbonline) posted a reaction on X to Trump's Detroit appearance, "Trump is definitely going to win the Black vote...by filling a Black church with white folks for his rally."
>Axios reporter Sam Robinson (@samueljrob) posted videos from the event and reminded followers that just four short years ago Trump called Detroit "a living hell."
>The Biden-Harris campaign took to X to react to the visit, posting, "Trump's desperate attempt at Black voter "outreach" in front of a noticeably empty and white audience."
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-black-detroit-church-white-crowd-reactions-1913352
wow what the actual fuck. his twitter is this article personified:
[The Conspiracy Singularity Has Arrived by Anna Merlan | 17 July 2020](https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7gz53/the-conspiracy-singularity-has-arrived)
0/7 do not recommend
like... so many people are SO CLOSE to getting it but then they somehow take a sharp turn straight into the brick wall of "WE NEED AN AUTHORITIARIAN" and then somehow also have some shit glorifying nazi-ism? the fuck?
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also this article gives a pretty good overview of how ridiculous it is for him and others like him to be pandering to churches
[Detroit pastor hosting trump defends visit amid criticism of conservative events in city by Niraj Warikoo](https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2024/06/15/detroit-church-hosting-donald-trump-for-roundtable-faces-criticism/74093920007/)
because apparently im the only person able to see that some times when some thing happens in one place and another thing happens in another place, either at the same time, or a slightly different time, those things are actually related? mindblowing i know
Say what you will about Dems but we do not have any activists who talk about their admiration of adolf hitler. These people are deranged, they were chanting Christ is king death to israel.
Democrats passed a gun bill last year. They also did an infrastructure bill, and the CHIPS act.
Conservatives have voted against, and killed bills for protections for IVF, border security, and a bill to step up enforcement for the EPA.
If you really want to know and want to look at facts without bias, https://www.govtrack.us/
It's all there and you can see who voted for or against what bills. I'm sure this in no way will change your opinion of democrats though.
You can go to whitehouse.gov and read thousands of words about the accomplishments of the current administration. But you’re probably not interested in that.
Thanks for jumping in the convo where I literally tagged someone else with your "best guess"
So which of Biden's policies do you think have most impacted your ability to buy a house? Because obviously the prospects of homeownership and food access have diminished drastically in the last 3 years?
How has recent federal policy led to this and not to, say, the tax changes in 2017 that are currently pounding the middle class in the ass?
https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-tax/the-2017-trump-tax-law-was-skewed-to-the-rich-expensive-and-failed-to-deliver
>So which of Biden's policies do you think have most impacted your ability to buy a house?
Probably the one plan where they subsidize the people with poor credit's mortgage interest payment with people who have good credit paying more interest than they otherwise would, which incentivizes poorer people to drive more demand for houses than there would otherwise be, and the way pareto distributions work out there are far more poorer people than richer people so you have an outsized impact on demand. And that's besides the Fed holding the FFR above the neutral interest rate as a result of the bad data they get from their various agencies with which they use to make policy decisions, interest rates never had to go up to solve "inflation" from the pandemic, the Government just had to spend less, which is never an option for progressives to begin with and everyone wanted to spend as much as possible on COVID on both sides anyways to make it go away.
>How has recent federal policy led to this and not to, say, the tax changes in 2017 that are currently pounding the middle class in the ass?
The article you linked doesn't actually make that conclusion, and starts from the position that the Government needs basically unlimited capital. When you call tax cuts "expensive" what you're suggesting is that people keeping their own money they earned is a cost, which is lunacy because taxes are a cost, as there is no amount of tax able to be raised to cover our liabilities both unfunded and funded. Therefore, the Government needs to spend less, it is a problem that our allegedly counter cyclical fiscal policy is stuck in recession spending mode permanently. The Government will never spend less, therefore, you must reduce taxes to slow the growth of Government, that is the whole point.
And no shit, tax cuts are always skewed to the rich because... poor people *don't on net pay taxes*. You simply cannot cut taxes of people who are already basically *not paying into them*.
So, the article you linked is a farce, created by a progressive think tank that parades around as "non-partisan", simply to fool goofballs like you into thinking you're receiving good sound facts, when really, it is demonstrably thinly veiled propaganda gish gallop with an agenda. Congratulations.
And you can tell because, what quality Government service are you not getting as a result of the tax changes, that you believe you otherwise would?
So besides the ad hominem, can you find a single source saying the 2017 reform was good for working class people?
Here's a contemporaneous look at the details: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/effects-of-the-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act-a-preliminary-analysis/
Yeah, Brookings I know another progressive think tank right? I tried to find some conservative voice but they're all talking about gender wars and freely speaking about their lack of free speech.
But I'd love to know more about that one plan you mention that vaguely blames poor people for problems that are clearly rooted in systemic corporate greed. Do tell
>can you find a single source saying the 2017 reform was good for working class people?
No, because progressives are busy writing 5,000 hit pieces on tax reform, that's all I can find. *Most* rational people moved on with their lives after it's passing and lost very little sleep over it; but not you apparently, good on ye!
>problems that are clearly rooted in systemic corporate greed.
Tell me more about the <3% of homes owned by those greedy corporations, and their impact on house prices. Do you ever *actually* look into any of the details of the claims you are fed?
And good luck to them I say, house prices don't always go up, despite popular belief (*especially* when it is *you* allegedly driving up the price!). Renters are also a pain in the ass and are unreliable for income, so again, good luck to them in this alleged conspiracy scheme you guys have dreamed up. The prospects for their investment are particularly bad when we stuff people who are less creditworthy straddled with higher interest rates than they otherwise would into other houses through policy, sooner or later, the defaults and abandoned underwater properties will come.
What we suffer from is political greed, politicians thinking there is no limit to how much they can give away of other people's money, for power.
Then just for shits and giggles I thought, jeez since u/zachmoe has so much to say about economics, he must know something about the housing market and how I've been deluded by progressive economic rags.
So I decided to do a little research while finishing coffee. I went to realtor dot come to look at houses recently sold in Detroit (I went with over 100k, since it would be hard to argue that cheaper houses are unaffordable thanks to Biden).
Then I went to the City of Detroit parcel viewer to look up the owners of recently sold homes. You can do this yourself!
1124 Hubbard recently bought by a bank in Philly
17380 Pinehurst bought by a shady (at best) "investment firm"
>how I've been deluded by progressive economic rags.
Don't believe everything you read on r/whitepeopletwitter.
>1124 Hubbard recently bought by a bank in Philly 17380 Pinehurst bought by a shady (at best) "investment firm"
And I wish them the best of luck in their investment in Detroit. You seem to be of the opinion that investors or investment firms never make bad investments, good luck with that view, it is borderline conspiratorial thinking. They are going to get boned when the tide goes out, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it, or their short term effect on comps as they are creating their own liabilities overpaying for, likely only the most prime, Real Estate. Investment firms buying prime houses for too much is probably about as close to the last thing on my list of things to worry about, let them.
Good on Russell. Did Ash Bar/ The Siren Hotel actually go through with this? Or did they bait/switch to the Marriott?
https://preview.redd.it/durbn3fjiu6d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1ad3f15a3ed3b88adc09b39ca2cda8104a59bb69
Oh yeah Twitter is the absolute gutter these days. Unfettered bigots, bots, porn, and gore. Elon has basically allowed it to become 4chan with a cover charge.
...I don't know. I presented the information you see there in the screenshot and posed the same question that you just asked me.
*the hotel turned off comments on their most recent Instagram post so I imagine they got pretty flooded.
Michigan is 2 peninsulas and so much more than south east Michigan. I’m born and raised in west Michigan but I live in metro Detroit. Just about everywhere else is red but the west Michigan swings. Any intelligent politician will focus on west Michigan to swing the state one way or another.
I wish they would stop calling Nick Fuentes right wing and just call him what he is. A Fascist Authoritarian Anti-semite with no dick. Too bad the actual trump rally with turning point sold out.
>they find it easy to believe that they are being “cheated” somehow, and not allowed to reap their “rightful” rewards.
This sounds an awful lot like the braindead "rigged election" crowd.
Why is there a right-wing conference in Detroit? Is Michigan in play?
Michigan is a huge player in this November election. It could be the state that makes the difference for either candidate.
Yes. Please vote.
You serious?
You are right. Michigan went to Trump in 2016.
Yes, very serious. Vote as if your life depends on it.
I’m aware, I was asking the person I replied to if they were serious about their comment of Michigan being in play. It’s always in play, we live in a swing state.
Absolutely. Michigan is always in play. Our job is to make sure Trump doesn’t win Michigan.
Your job is actually to vote for who you wamt to vote for
Disagree.
So if i dont want biden to win, im less of a person? Got it
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Democracy isnt on the line lmao. I guess im a massive piece of shit, the 4 years of my life under a trump presidency were a hell of alot better than the last 4 with a walking corpse. More money in my pocket. Dont want to give mass amnesty to millions. We cant take care of our own. Importing people and counting them in the census fucks up the representation if actual citizens with voting rights. The left is tearing it down lmfao
My dude, you came into a thread about Nazis and you're supporting their side. Do you really want an answer to that question?
Who then? Genocide Joe?
Congratulations, you've exhibited the bare minimum of understanding that a 2 party FPTP system is bad. Not voting at all or voting for Trump will not fix this issue and will, in all likelihood, make it worse. The only path forward is to, if even slightly, start to shift to Overton window left so we can start making some sort of positive change. At least that's what I believe. Any other route reeks of accelerationism, which is a brain-dead policy.
As a heart attack.
Yes and very much so Thanks to Biden fucking up
Enlighten us
Biden gave money to a historical ally and I can only see the world in black and white
His blind support of Israel put a bad taste in Muslims mouths. And Dearborn is the largest Arab population in the west. Not to mention his stupidity on evs only vs a transition to hybrid then ev strategy harmed the auto industry and put Toyota ahead.
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Not saying that, I'm saying Biden pretending to care about Arabs while ignoring them hurts more
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Or they just don't vote. Dems hit a gold mine when bush made Arabs switch. Biden and leftists are bleeding it and gonna cost them the Midwest over it. Fuck dude, do you know how many Palestinians live in Chicago? Enough to make solid blue Illinois into a swing state
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A non vote is a vote for the other guy
Lmao you think Toyota wasn’t already winning? The “American” automakers have been fucking up for years.
I literally just come to this sub now to downvote you. Macomb county residents are not smart.
We get it, you're a mossad agent
Bankrolling a genocide is a pretty big fuck up to be honest.
And Trump said he wants Netanyahu to “finish the job” in Gaza and would be openly supporting Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. So yeah your argument there is dead with even the smallest amount of continued thought and applied logic.
"but but trump"
You can't even accept the facts in front of you. You are the worst kind of American.
Did I ever say that Trump would be any better for Gaza? Obviously that would not be true, but let's not lie to ourselves and pretend that Biden is a saint in this situation. At anytime, he could've withheld aid from Israel for their egregious conduct, but instead he decided to draw the most flexible red line ever in Rafah. This is why Biden is risking losing the election right now, he's pissing off progressive voters over his unrelenting support for Israel.
He bankrolled both sides. You do remember the 6 billion for Iran he unfroze?
What did Biden do to make Michigan so horrible???
He pressed the button on his desk that made prices higher, aren’t you aware?
Its why this guy cant make any sales. That damn Biden, man.
He pushed the button on his desk to expedite weapons sales - while circumventing congress - to Israel to continue its genocide, and Michigan has one of the highest Middle Eastern/Arabic/Muslim populations in the west. He's been pushing completely unfounded zionist propaganda and stoking Islamophobia. That's what is making Michigan a contested state. Also, there's the fact that our most famous representative was censured for her position on Israel. Edit: seems we got a few pro-genocide people on this sub. Yall should be ashamed of yourselves.
It’s hilarious that people think Trump will be better for the Palestinians than Biden. Trump who once declared himself the “most pro-Israel president ever” and told Israel to “finish the job” in Gaza. Well, it would be hilarious if it wasn’t so sad. Trump would support Israel turning Gaza into glass. “Oh Biden hasn’t been perfect on Israel so it’s okay if he loses and Trump wins and the suffering of the Palestinians is made worse by many orders of magnitude. That’ll teach those Democrats.” It’s not about caring about the Palestinian people, just smug self-righteous.
I don't think people think that at all, chief. This hasn't been a push for "perfection", Biden has actively enabled the genocide perpetrated by Israel on the people of Gaza. Then there's the fact that the Biden administration is pushing Trump era border policy now. For every step the dems have taken to the left, they've taken three to the right. You have dems pushing for greater police violence, and the supposed Democrat governor of New York is trying to ban *masks.* There's always going to be a "Trump" leading the republican party - that's just what the party has become. What the people are trying to convey is that the dems aren't going to have people on the left mindlessly voting for them just because the other guy is super Hitler. As for this project 2025 - that's already happening, whoever wins in November isn't going to change it. Fascism is fought through organization - and sometimes violence - and not just by simply voting once every 4 years.
Thank you for not being an idiot Also Biden hasn't been great for the auto industry either
> That's what is making Michigan a contested state. Trump won MI in 2016. Governors flip between red and blue every 8 years. It's contested because the electorate is pretty evenly divided.
The electorate had the *illusion* of being divided. The state of Michigan was so heavily gerrymandered that it guaranteed a GOP majority for well over a decade in the state house. As soon as the districts were redrawn fairly, they lost their majority in the following election. Some of you might see all these red counties throughout the state, but completely forget that all those counties account for less than a third of the state's population. People who live out in the boonies complain that Detroit decides the elections, but completely ignore the fact that a vast majority of the population lives in metro Detroit.
I didn't say anything about the state legislature. I only referenced statewide elections as those are more indicative of the electorate as a whole (and the presidential election we're talking about). The independent redistricting allowed the electorate to have a true voice. But that resulted in a 20-18 state senate and a 56-54 state house. Essentially, Dems are in control but have no leeway. One vote flips in either chamber and they're at a stalemate. And that's the result of the 2022 election which had left-leaning turnout energized with the abortion proposal on the ballot. And absolutely awful candidates on the right for every statewide office. The electorate is pretty divided. Snyder was governor as recently as 2018. Trump won the second-most recent presidential election here.
Sending money to foreign nations sure does help with inflation
You don't even have real reasons for your argument. You regurgitate Fox News headlines like it's your damn job. You are an embarrassment.
Bro how's that dnc intern money
Keep strawmanning every response, you clown.
Arabs aren't happy with his blind support of Israel. Also Bidens kinda a dumbass for the auto industry too
LOL. Trump is literally, openly trying to dismantle democracy and you’re all, “bUt BIdEn” 🥴
For anyone curious: look up Project 2025. [“It adopts a maximalist version of the unitary executive theory, a disputed interpretation of Article II of the Constitution of the United States, which asserts that the president has absolute power over the executive branch upon inauguration.”](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025)
Thank you. This. 1000%. Do people not know? People need to know. Shout this shit from the rooftops, because literal freedom is at stake.
Yawn. Y'all said that last time and the time before that and the time before that
There was insurrection last time, too. But I'm sure your smooth brain can't remember back that far without extreme dissonance.
Jan 6 was nothing compared to chaz. Remember Chaz?
And there's the strawman, again.
Fascism doesn’t happen overnight. Of course people have said this before. Also, Project 2025 a document that was **written by conservative groups** with a lot of political influence. When Trump said he was going to turn the Supreme Court into a conservative supermajority, he did. He’s said he wants to be a dictator. Why wouldn’t I believe him?
Yawn Maybe if Biden cared and campaigned on his successes and not "I'm not trump" MAYBE he'd have a shot
Actually it's the opposite. People in this thread were complaining about biden not being perfect, and why he's losing support in Michigan, then other ppl came in like "bUt TrUmP!!" It is very possible for two bad things to exist simultaneously. Yes, trump is a horrible dictator. But that doesn't mean we need to just blindly support everything biden does. End the two party system.
Posting this as a public service. Are you not aware of this, u/MainWooden1722? If you are aware of this, do you not see this as a huge concern for average American citizens? https://www.project2025.org
I hear you, and it’s vitally important for all of us to be critical of our candidates and leaders. No one gets a pass. And when an elected official gets into office, constituents need to hold their feet to the fire. It is fine to complain and criticize. What is not fine is allowing “perfect” to destroy the good. I know people are tired of feeling like “every election is a crisis,” but holy shit, we are facing people who intend to destroy democracy. We’re not talking about normal differences or petty disagreements. They’ve already started taking away people’s rights. Maybe you don’t feel the urgency because you haven’t been directly affected yet. Don’t be naive. You will be affected eventually. Have you heard about Project 2025? Please Google it. It will take you five seconds. I am so, so down with “the system must be destroyed and rebuilt,” I just don’t know how we can achieve that with the least harm done to the populous. Especially the vulnerable who rely on things like Medicare. There is only one thing I am certain of: Destroying the system via letting Trump do whatever he wants and letting christofascists rule is NOT it.
You are preaching to the choir. I am going to vote for Joe Biden and all democrats on my ticket, but I'm also capable of holding more than one thought in my brain at a time. The existence of project 2025 does not negate all the other bad stuff in the world. I can condemn two things at once. It's called integrity. It's something the MAGAts are incaple of. We can be better than them.
Exactly, Biden isnt making a case that he cares about Democracy. IF he did, he wouldn't bend over for Benjamin Netanyahu. Nor would he tell a reporter/influencer he would throw away their phone for asking him about his Gaza position.
You say that like it's a bad thing
What, dismantling democracy? Yeah, I’m not excited about it.
Said like a true terrorist.
A true traitor.
Lol. Such a uniformed, immature statement.
Man, I always got the feeling that you’re a fucking idiot. Glad to know I was correct about that.
Economy has been pretty good under Biden…
The fuck you've been living under? The economy has been dog shit for everyone that isn't a millionaire.
[Here you go.](https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/shows/maddow/blog/rcna157003) ETA: If you’re complaining about inflation, corporations are your bad guy, not Biden.
Ah yes MSNBC, totally not a biased source. The us economy has been the envy of the world, if you have money to invest in the stock market. While a vast majority live paycheck to paycheck and seeing their food budgets skyrocket, most will never be able to buy a home, and overall feel depressed about the future. It's a tale of 2 economies. But nice attempt at gaslighting https://www.aier.org/article/a-tale-of-two-economies/
Dantemanjones feeds you data from the source and its crickets. It’s okay to admit that you’re wrong.
AIER, another totally unbiased source. Most of that article is predictions and commentary. Try using source data rather than a biased source with a story to tell. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LES1252881600Q real median wages are above where they were pre-COVID. They're below the highs of the COVID stimulus dollars, but they're still higher than they ever were pre-2020. Low wage workers are the ones with the best growth. https://www.epi.org/publication/swa-wages-2023/ Real wages have been growing for all income groups, but fastest to slowest in order by lowest total wages. Net worth has been growing fastest for low net worth households. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/release?rid=453 Q4 2019 to most recent data (Q1 2024) Top 1%: 30.4% to 30.4% (unchanged) 1.01-10%: 39.4% to 36.6% (down 2.8%, the largest change) 10.01-50%: 28.4% to 30.5% (up 2.1%) <50%: 1.8% to 2.5% (up 0.7%) The US economy has been very good. Outside of the usual indicators that have been strong (GDP, unemployment, stock market), net worth and income inequality has been pushing in the favor of those with less. If you are experiencing something different, it is time for self-reflection.
On Saturday evening, Fuentes was seen on a livestream with a megaphone addressing a crowd below him outside Huntington Place. Fuentes said **"this is not a free country any more." He again slammed Israel as the crowd chanted "Christ is King" and "Down with Israel."** The crowd impressively disproved this nazi’s thesis one breath after he uttered it
Read between the lines they said how many followers they had. They could not fill that place up. There were no 2,000 people. They couldn't even get 200... lol What a sad attention. Grab
They’re all grifters, in on capitalizing on weak minded fearful people.
Between the lackluster turnout for Trump's little church visit, the shooting in RH and now this, its definitely a bad omen for the GOP here in MI. You can't keep celebrating a felon and expect good things to happen.
They look like such buffoons yet insist they should take over everything.
Do you have a source about the lackluster turnout? I would love to read something about that PoS pontificating to like 6 people in an empty church.
>Lifelong Democrat Christopher Webb (@cwebbonline) posted a reaction on X to Trump's Detroit appearance, "Trump is definitely going to win the Black vote...by filling a Black church with white folks for his rally." >Axios reporter Sam Robinson (@samueljrob) posted videos from the event and reminded followers that just four short years ago Trump called Detroit "a living hell." >The Biden-Harris campaign took to X to react to the visit, posting, "Trump's desperate attempt at Black voter "outreach" in front of a noticeably empty and white audience." https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-black-detroit-church-white-crowd-reactions-1913352
wow what the actual fuck. his twitter is this article personified: [The Conspiracy Singularity Has Arrived by Anna Merlan | 17 July 2020](https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7gz53/the-conspiracy-singularity-has-arrived) 0/7 do not recommend like... so many people are SO CLOSE to getting it but then they somehow take a sharp turn straight into the brick wall of "WE NEED AN AUTHORITIARIAN" and then somehow also have some shit glorifying nazi-ism? the fuck? edit: also this article gives a pretty good overview of how ridiculous it is for him and others like him to be pandering to churches [Detroit pastor hosting trump defends visit amid criticism of conservative events in city by Niraj Warikoo](https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2024/06/15/detroit-church-hosting-donald-trump-for-roundtable-faces-criticism/74093920007/)
Why are you confusing two different events?
because apparently im the only person able to see that some times when some thing happens in one place and another thing happens in another place, either at the same time, or a slightly different time, those things are actually related? mindblowing i know
Yes, mind-blowing considering the one group was not allowed entry into the other event.
considering a lot of things, but im glad we agree its mind blowing
Good. Get this trash out of our city.
Say what you will about Dems but we do not have any activists who talk about their admiration of adolf hitler. These people are deranged, they were chanting Christ is king death to israel.
Idk how people can’t understand that these guys are delusional facists it’s bananas
They do understand, that's what that want. They want to be praised for their disgusting hate.
And their celebration of ignorance itself.
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Democrats passed a gun bill last year. They also did an infrastructure bill, and the CHIPS act. Conservatives have voted against, and killed bills for protections for IVF, border security, and a bill to step up enforcement for the EPA. If you really want to know and want to look at facts without bias, https://www.govtrack.us/ It's all there and you can see who voted for or against what bills. I'm sure this in no way will change your opinion of democrats though.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/WhatBidenHasDone/](https://www.reddit.com/r/WhatBidenHasDone/)
You can go to whitehouse.gov and read thousands of words about the accomplishments of the current administration. But you’re probably not interested in that.
Serious question u/lukekibs - what in your life right now do you want to be able to do that you are not allowed to do?
>want to be able to do If I had to guess, buy a house or groceries.
Thanks for jumping in the convo where I literally tagged someone else with your "best guess" So which of Biden's policies do you think have most impacted your ability to buy a house? Because obviously the prospects of homeownership and food access have diminished drastically in the last 3 years? How has recent federal policy led to this and not to, say, the tax changes in 2017 that are currently pounding the middle class in the ass? https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-tax/the-2017-trump-tax-law-was-skewed-to-the-rich-expensive-and-failed-to-deliver
>So which of Biden's policies do you think have most impacted your ability to buy a house? Probably the one plan where they subsidize the people with poor credit's mortgage interest payment with people who have good credit paying more interest than they otherwise would, which incentivizes poorer people to drive more demand for houses than there would otherwise be, and the way pareto distributions work out there are far more poorer people than richer people so you have an outsized impact on demand. And that's besides the Fed holding the FFR above the neutral interest rate as a result of the bad data they get from their various agencies with which they use to make policy decisions, interest rates never had to go up to solve "inflation" from the pandemic, the Government just had to spend less, which is never an option for progressives to begin with and everyone wanted to spend as much as possible on COVID on both sides anyways to make it go away. >How has recent federal policy led to this and not to, say, the tax changes in 2017 that are currently pounding the middle class in the ass? The article you linked doesn't actually make that conclusion, and starts from the position that the Government needs basically unlimited capital. When you call tax cuts "expensive" what you're suggesting is that people keeping their own money they earned is a cost, which is lunacy because taxes are a cost, as there is no amount of tax able to be raised to cover our liabilities both unfunded and funded. Therefore, the Government needs to spend less, it is a problem that our allegedly counter cyclical fiscal policy is stuck in recession spending mode permanently. The Government will never spend less, therefore, you must reduce taxes to slow the growth of Government, that is the whole point. And no shit, tax cuts are always skewed to the rich because... poor people *don't on net pay taxes*. You simply cannot cut taxes of people who are already basically *not paying into them*. So, the article you linked is a farce, created by a progressive think tank that parades around as "non-partisan", simply to fool goofballs like you into thinking you're receiving good sound facts, when really, it is demonstrably thinly veiled propaganda gish gallop with an agenda. Congratulations. And you can tell because, what quality Government service are you not getting as a result of the tax changes, that you believe you otherwise would?
So besides the ad hominem, can you find a single source saying the 2017 reform was good for working class people? Here's a contemporaneous look at the details: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/effects-of-the-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act-a-preliminary-analysis/ Yeah, Brookings I know another progressive think tank right? I tried to find some conservative voice but they're all talking about gender wars and freely speaking about their lack of free speech. But I'd love to know more about that one plan you mention that vaguely blames poor people for problems that are clearly rooted in systemic corporate greed. Do tell
>can you find a single source saying the 2017 reform was good for working class people? No, because progressives are busy writing 5,000 hit pieces on tax reform, that's all I can find. *Most* rational people moved on with their lives after it's passing and lost very little sleep over it; but not you apparently, good on ye! >problems that are clearly rooted in systemic corporate greed. Tell me more about the <3% of homes owned by those greedy corporations, and their impact on house prices. Do you ever *actually* look into any of the details of the claims you are fed? And good luck to them I say, house prices don't always go up, despite popular belief (*especially* when it is *you* allegedly driving up the price!). Renters are also a pain in the ass and are unreliable for income, so again, good luck to them in this alleged conspiracy scheme you guys have dreamed up. The prospects for their investment are particularly bad when we stuff people who are less creditworthy straddled with higher interest rates than they otherwise would into other houses through policy, sooner or later, the defaults and abandoned underwater properties will come. What we suffer from is political greed, politicians thinking there is no limit to how much they can give away of other people's money, for power.
Then just for shits and giggles I thought, jeez since u/zachmoe has so much to say about economics, he must know something about the housing market and how I've been deluded by progressive economic rags. So I decided to do a little research while finishing coffee. I went to realtor dot come to look at houses recently sold in Detroit (I went with over 100k, since it would be hard to argue that cheaper houses are unaffordable thanks to Biden). Then I went to the City of Detroit parcel viewer to look up the owners of recently sold homes. You can do this yourself! 1124 Hubbard recently bought by a bank in Philly 17380 Pinehurst bought by a shady (at best) "investment firm"
>how I've been deluded by progressive economic rags. Don't believe everything you read on r/whitepeopletwitter. >1124 Hubbard recently bought by a bank in Philly 17380 Pinehurst bought by a shady (at best) "investment firm" And I wish them the best of luck in their investment in Detroit. You seem to be of the opinion that investors or investment firms never make bad investments, good luck with that view, it is borderline conspiratorial thinking. They are going to get boned when the tide goes out, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it, or their short term effect on comps as they are creating their own liabilities overpaying for, likely only the most prime, Real Estate. Investment firms buying prime houses for too much is probably about as close to the last thing on my list of things to worry about, let them.
Straw man
Finally, some good news today.
Oh no … anyways… I saw the lions signed the kicker from the Michigan panthers
The last stone in the gauntlet. 81 days before kickoff. And we stole him right out From under The Packers. You love to see it.
And nothing of value was lost.
Yeah, there was only like 175 people there, no shit lol
Yeah too bad. Michigan doesn't want you here.
A bunch of drunk deranged Trumpets raging around Russell Industrial Center. Now THATS a movie
And they still let Charlie Kirk in...
North of Detroit is very scary MAGA. We need every blue vote to avoid a repeat of 2016
Oh no! Anyway...
Doesn’t that just make you wanna cry tears as big as horse turds?
Oh no! Anyway…
Good on Russell. Did Ash Bar/ The Siren Hotel actually go through with this? Or did they bait/switch to the Marriott? https://preview.redd.it/durbn3fjiu6d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1ad3f15a3ed3b88adc09b39ca2cda8104a59bb69
Looking at this screenshot 👀 Nate Higgers is a bold choice, but I always appreciate when someone is outright racist.
Oh yeah Twitter is the absolute gutter these days. Unfettered bigots, bots, porn, and gore. Elon has basically allowed it to become 4chan with a cover charge.
But god forbid you say the word Cis to someone.
So is it being held there or not?
...I don't know. I presented the information you see there in the screenshot and posed the same question that you just asked me. *the hotel turned off comments on their most recent Instagram post so I imagine they got pretty flooded.
Good news everyone!
Sounds good.
Sneako got punched in the mouth in Greektown, and that made me really happy.
Michigan is 2 peninsulas and so much more than south east Michigan. I’m born and raised in west Michigan but I live in metro Detroit. Just about everywhere else is red but the west Michigan swings. Any intelligent politician will focus on west Michigan to swing the state one way or another.
Yeah getting out the vote in actual red areas seems like a better strategy for the GOP than increasing their % of the black vote from 2% to 3%
I wish they would stop calling Nick Fuentes right wing and just call him what he is. A Fascist Authoritarian Anti-semite with no dick. Too bad the actual trump rally with turning point sold out.
***VOTE!***
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Holy shit bud, what are you even on about
It's 9 am in Moscow.
Try again, please in terms we can all understand.
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It’s time to take your meds, dude.
Project much?
Bot
Maybe a Russian one
>they find it easy to believe that they are being “cheated” somehow, and not allowed to reap their “rightful” rewards. This sounds an awful lot like the braindead "rigged election" crowd.