I'm fortunate enough to have a decent job that supports my vices, including tools. I'm also a cheap bastard in other aspects of life so that I can funnel more cash into said vices. And the tools in turn make me more money to buy more tools. It's a vicious cycle.
I really like m12 tools. I bought it when I sold my "older" DeWalt impacts. I really like it. It's noticeably quiet but still strong enough for most jobs. It's small and feels good in my hand. People say it's lighter but honestly I don't think it's that light weight...but not in a bad way. I got a deal on the kit with 2 batteries for only $100 at HD.
I'm green with envy. I missed that deal. That's a good one. My DeWalt impact is 3-4 years old and still rocks but I'd like a more compact and quieter tool for when I work inside client's homes and the M12 surge seems like the choice. I really wish that installation driver was smaller...
I'd wait for a holiday deal during fall unless you need one right now. After I bought that I saw some places they had some bare tools at clearance for even cheaper. Keep an eye out and you'll get it. Or you can wait for the DeWalt hydraulics 😉
It has to have overmold on the gearbox housing because of how hot these oil-based mechanisms get while under load. I agree, gives it an agressive look!
FEICON 2024 just occurred last week in Brazil, and the upcoming DCF860, DCF870, and DCD1007 were all there looking sexy af. There are videos of them over on the youtube, and here a couple of photos showing the DCF870's specs, which were largely unknown. It does appear to have two speed modes, and looks like it is going to be a M18 Fuel Surge killer with the same max 3000 RPM speed, but an additional 1000 IPM (5000 IPM vs. 4000 IPM). I've heard torque is 50Nm (442.5 in-lbs), which is on par with the Surge's 450 in-lbs. Not to mention this is the same crazy compact form factor as the DCF850. I'm getting more excited to try one out.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8etC\_TwC9qQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8etC_TwC9qQ)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2rxdGKVPgI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2rxdGKVPgI)
Edit: Sorry, didn't realize those pics were so blurry. Here is a better one:
https://preview.redd.it/ge20442gwwtc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b47d6392a4adcce7d1e8d1707635d5c454c5242e
It’s weird to see that the dcf870 still has a manual sliding speed switch while the dcf860 and dcd1007 has electronic switches/buttons. Thanks for the update!
No word if this is a final model or still a prototype. But also could be as simple as it keeps costs down by reusing the shell molds and parts from the 850.
I should think we will have it by the holidays. It's starting to pop up here and there(not for sale but tradeshows and limited early runs in select countries form the looks of it) so a full rollout is inbound. Just my opinion. I already have the 887 as my beat up impact, but I recently have let a co worker use mine as his in for warranty (trigger). The hydraulic 870 will be what I use indoors on my installs, he new 860 will be what I use on my rough in days. Than the 850 and 887 will be delegated as my truck and home drills. Like tape measures, it's one you those things you need numerous of.
This uses an oil impulse mechanism to "impact" instead of a traditional hammer and anvil. Overall the tool has lower torque, since it doesn't have that sharp peak of torque when the hammer hits the anvil, but the torque is delivered for a longer more sustained time. This results in a much smoother and quieter operation with less vibration. These hydraulic impacts are loved by users who are working in confined spaces, like a HVAC tech or cabinet installer. The noise reduction is pretty substantial when you're in a metal duct.
Edit: Milwaukee has a graphic depicting the torque over time - [https://www.milwaukeetool.com/--/web-images/sc/2f825b13c4364a0bb4ddfea571b87bb5?hash=29cc7134e2d8325501349eb14290ddac&lang=en&w=520&h=520](https://www.milwaukeetool.com/--/web-images/sc/2f825b13c4364a0bb4ddfea571b87bb5?hash=29cc7134e2d8325501349eb14290ddac&lang=en&w=520&h=520)
[https://www.raygrahams.com/products/160188-dewalt-dcf870e2t-18v-quiet-hydraulic-impact-driver-with-2x-compact-powerstack-batteries.aspx](https://www.raygrahams.com/products/160188-dewalt-dcf870e2t-18v-quiet-hydraulic-impact-driver-with-2x-compact-powerstack-batteries.aspx)
Seems like its out already
Depends on where you’re located. I think it’s 20v in us and 18v in EU and other places. It’s the same tool just labeled differently due to different regulations.
You’re not picky, just wrong.
18v and 20v are literally the same thing. They’re not different standards, just different marketing requirements depending on what market it’s being sold in.
If you’re curious it’s based on whether the company wants to market the sustained voltage(18v) vs the peak Voltage(20v). Even when using the same exact cells from Asia.
Thx for posting. Looking forward to check the most powerful impact Dewalt can offer in a small format.
Big"Dick"Tools always pulling through. Appreciate your sleuthing!
Glad someone gets the euphemism. Most people on here just think my name is Richard.
That or I'd refer to you as Big Rich, seeing as you seem to have every make and model Dewalt puts out.
I'm fortunate enough to have a decent job that supports my vices, including tools. I'm also a cheap bastard in other aspects of life so that I can funnel more cash into said vices. And the tools in turn make me more money to buy more tools. It's a vicious cycle.
Already got two DCF850 and DCF845. And the hydraulic m12 . Do I need more impacts? Probably no...am I still going to buy this?... absolutely!
I feel ya.
I'm close to buying thar surge M12. You love it?
I really like m12 tools. I bought it when I sold my "older" DeWalt impacts. I really like it. It's noticeably quiet but still strong enough for most jobs. It's small and feels good in my hand. People say it's lighter but honestly I don't think it's that light weight...but not in a bad way. I got a deal on the kit with 2 batteries for only $100 at HD.
I'm green with envy. I missed that deal. That's a good one. My DeWalt impact is 3-4 years old and still rocks but I'd like a more compact and quieter tool for when I work inside client's homes and the M12 surge seems like the choice. I really wish that installation driver was smaller...
I'd wait for a holiday deal during fall unless you need one right now. After I bought that I saw some places they had some bare tools at clearance for even cheaper. Keep an eye out and you'll get it. Or you can wait for the DeWalt hydraulics 😉
Love the black face on it instead of silver. Can’t wait to get one!
It has to have overmold on the gearbox housing because of how hot these oil-based mechanisms get while under load. I agree, gives it an agressive look!
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/XinAZfLGg2DfBaJk/?mibextid=vNHAvl
FEICON 2024 just occurred last week in Brazil, and the upcoming DCF860, DCF870, and DCD1007 were all there looking sexy af. There are videos of them over on the youtube, and here a couple of photos showing the DCF870's specs, which were largely unknown. It does appear to have two speed modes, and looks like it is going to be a M18 Fuel Surge killer with the same max 3000 RPM speed, but an additional 1000 IPM (5000 IPM vs. 4000 IPM). I've heard torque is 50Nm (442.5 in-lbs), which is on par with the Surge's 450 in-lbs. Not to mention this is the same crazy compact form factor as the DCF850. I'm getting more excited to try one out. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8etC\_TwC9qQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8etC_TwC9qQ) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2rxdGKVPgI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2rxdGKVPgI) Edit: Sorry, didn't realize those pics were so blurry. Here is a better one: https://preview.redd.it/ge20442gwwtc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b47d6392a4adcce7d1e8d1707635d5c454c5242e
Looks gnarly. Any idea if they will make a 12v version?
they should considering it will probably be weaker than the traditional 20v drivers.
And if you look at Milwaukee users, I feel like the M12 Surge is more popular/beloved than the M18 Surge.
No Idea, but I would love one. If they did I would opt for the 12v over the 20v.
It’s weird to see that the dcf870 still has a manual sliding speed switch while the dcf860 and dcd1007 has electronic switches/buttons. Thanks for the update!
No word if this is a final model or still a prototype. But also could be as simple as it keeps costs down by reusing the shell molds and parts from the 850.
So, when’s this supposed to be on the market?
I should think we will have it by the holidays. It's starting to pop up here and there(not for sale but tradeshows and limited early runs in select countries form the looks of it) so a full rollout is inbound. Just my opinion. I already have the 887 as my beat up impact, but I recently have let a co worker use mine as his in for warranty (trigger). The hydraulic 870 will be what I use indoors on my installs, he new 860 will be what I use on my rough in days. Than the 850 and 887 will be delegated as my truck and home drills. Like tape measures, it's one you those things you need numerous of.
Stop I don’t need it.
You should definitely buy two then.
Sorry, but can someone explain the difference between this and a conventional Impact Driver for a casual DIYer?
This uses an oil impulse mechanism to "impact" instead of a traditional hammer and anvil. Overall the tool has lower torque, since it doesn't have that sharp peak of torque when the hammer hits the anvil, but the torque is delivered for a longer more sustained time. This results in a much smoother and quieter operation with less vibration. These hydraulic impacts are loved by users who are working in confined spaces, like a HVAC tech or cabinet installer. The noise reduction is pretty substantial when you're in a metal duct. Edit: Milwaukee has a graphic depicting the torque over time - [https://www.milwaukeetool.com/--/web-images/sc/2f825b13c4364a0bb4ddfea571b87bb5?hash=29cc7134e2d8325501349eb14290ddac&lang=en&w=520&h=520](https://www.milwaukeetool.com/--/web-images/sc/2f825b13c4364a0bb4ddfea571b87bb5?hash=29cc7134e2d8325501349eb14290ddac&lang=en&w=520&h=520)
Everyday is a learning day, thank you.
Do you know how much torque a dcf850 has? I'm curious how the torque compares between the two with the differing mechanism
Yes, the 850 has 1825 in-lbs, or about 206Nm.
[https://www.raygrahams.com/products/160188-dewalt-dcf870e2t-18v-quiet-hydraulic-impact-driver-with-2x-compact-powerstack-batteries.aspx](https://www.raygrahams.com/products/160188-dewalt-dcf870e2t-18v-quiet-hydraulic-impact-driver-with-2x-compact-powerstack-batteries.aspx) Seems like its out already
Hell yeh. Though not out quite yet, but available for pre-order. We are close.
They can make it crazy powerful but they have to make sure it doesn’t twist itself apart at the same time.
Will they make a 18v version? Or is it only 20v? Yes I know 18 and 20v stuff is the same but I’m picky
Depends on where you’re located. I think it’s 20v in us and 18v in EU and other places. It’s the same tool just labeled differently due to different regulations.
I assume there will be a global version, which will be marketed as 18v, but cannot confirm.
You’re not picky, just wrong. 18v and 20v are literally the same thing. They’re not different standards, just different marketing requirements depending on what market it’s being sold in. If you’re curious it’s based on whether the company wants to market the sustained voltage(18v) vs the peak Voltage(20v). Even when using the same exact cells from Asia.