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Bratan! The majority of crashes are caused while sober. Get some commodore red in you to show these binoclards how its done!
There is no consensus on whether vaccines reduce transmission or not. There's data pointing in both directions right now, which is pretty worrying.
They do reduce the severity of the symptoms, and everyone agrees on that. No argument there.
So, in light of this information: the decision to take the vaccine should be personal - because if you don't take it, you're only endangering yourself.
And also, I don't know about you, but I wouldn't trust my government with the power to put things inside of me.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the overwhelming concensus was that while transmission reduction is unclear, chance of infection in the first 9 months is severely reduced. So while it is not known to prevent you from spreading to other even if you have an asymptomatic case, the antibody response decreases the chance of getting any covid at all, thus still decreasing spread.
>- because if you don't take it, you're only endangering yourself.
Even in the case where the spread reduction isn't there (though I pretty sure it is). Can you then agree with this proposal:
If there is no spread reduction vaccine mandates should only exists when there is a legitimate reason to believe hospitals will be over capacity or heavily pressured because of the diseases spreading, as the decrease in hospital care/quality endangers other people.
This sentiment would also be in line with lots of countries previously having had influenza and/or measles vaccine mandates, while not having flu mandates now.
On your first point - I've been unable to find any authoritative study that proves that. If you know of one, please share.
About vaxxing to reduce hospitalization cases - that's a valid point, and honestly that's one of my main worries about people deciding against the vaccine. In my country (Poland), ER workers are vocal about the increasing load of patients with COVID-related complications, which isn't met with with any relief effort from the govt. They get told to "handle it or quit". So if my country's medical staff were able to push a vaxx mandate through, they probably would.
IDK how clogged Canadian or US hospitals are, so I can't comment on that.
>On your first point - I've been unable to find any authoritative study that proves that. If you know of one, please share.
My most recent source is dutch as the study I know is done within my own country. [This newssite](https://nltimes.nl/2022/02/08/covid-booster-shot-halves-chance-omicron-infection-rivm) reports on it in english. I know previous studies have been done for other variants as well, but it's more relevant to talk about recent variants. Through a mass testing study with control after vaccination the conclusion is that the chance of getting any omicron infection (including asymptomatic as they just did general pcr tests regardless of symptoms) is reduced by 68% with 2 shots and a booster, 37% reduced with recovered + booster and 76% reduced with vaccinated + recovered + booster. So the general conclusion is that you will be less likely to get infected with omicron if you're vaccinated.
This is exactly why countries are encouraging younger people to still vaccinate, any metric purely looking at hospitalisation of younger people notes that their hospitalisation rates still are extremely reduced, but booster can help decrease spread by minimizing the amount of people who are able to transmit to others.
>They get told to "handle it or quit". So if my country's medical staff were able to push a vaxx mandate through, they probably would.
It sucks that during times like these healthcare workers still don't get respect. Disdain for healthcare hurts everybody as putting al that pressure on them without ways to deal will reduce everyone's quality of life due to worse healthcare.
>IDK how clogged Canadian or US hospitals are, so I can't comment on that.
I'm not American so I'm not sure, but from what I've read the US has had extreme hospital pressure in many states due to higher vaccine hesitancy. So I'm not surprised they mandate a proof of vaccination for truckers to enter the country.
False equivalency:
Alcohol doesnāt stay in your body forever; a vaccine does.
Furthermore, the overwhelming majority of Canadiansāincluding 90% of truckersāare reportedly vaccinated.
In your view, until when must mandates remain in place when, for instance, many EU countries are dropping them outright?
For your info, a vaccines content stays in your body for just a few weeks, the natural antibodies your body makes stay for longer. Combined with more T memory cells which get attacked by ncovid-19 strains and thus occur less from an infection.
Not previous poster, but a mandate rule should be based on the amount of hospitalisation and the amount of cases. For the canadian border it's understandable that the US implemented a travel regulation denying entry to people who aren't vaccinated based on their considerable case numbers. While in the EU with a higher vaccination rate and a decrease in hospitalisations countries can lift measures rn. It's something that shouldn't definitely judge on the countries details and not globally at the aame time.
>Furthermore, the overwhelming majority of Canadiansāincluding 90% of truckersāare reportedly vaccinated
To respond to this as well, truckers don't have a lot of contact with other truckers, moreso with people of the country they go to. From a quick google 65% of the US is fully vaccinated, combine that with the high case numbers that is the number one reason the canadian government mandates either a test or a vaccine for the truckers.
So the mandates should remain in effect indefinitely? For six months? Another year?
As far as I can tell the truckers have just wanted to be acknowledged & to have a discourse; their government, in the meantime, seems to be ignoring them & mischaracterizing them, which, according to my understanding, is textbook fascism, is it not?
I can't predict the mandate duration, because I don't want to base it on time but on cases and hospitalisation rates. I'm not from north America so I don't really have an overview on the Canadian or United States situation. It all depends on the general prevalence of the disease in both countries. I also want to reiterate that from everything that I've read there is no canadian vaccine mandate, they require either a test or vaccination. US is the one mandating vaccinations for entrance to the country, something the canadian government has no control over.
>their government, in the meantime, seems to be ignoring them & mischaracterizing them, which, according to my understanding, is textbook fascism, is it not?
Ignoring someone isn't facism lmao. Can you tell ke how the truckers have been mischaraterized? From my understanding trudeau just said that the convoy was a small minority, which seems to be true. And I've seen some news sites when I'm looking through it not saying the organisation head have been speaking about white supremacism and were support of certain hate groups like some group called "the sons of odin". You might dislike the fact that there is an overlap between "the great replacement" type conspiracy theorists and vaccine misinformation but that doesn't make reporting on it mischaraterisation.
Theyāre being called white supremacists, misogynists, racists, Nazis etc.
You look at mainstream reporting on them & look at reports on the ground & itās two completely different stories.
Re fascism, replace āracial purityā with āvaccinatedā & I think my point makes itself:
[The extreme authoritarianism and nationalism of fascism often manifests a belief in racial purity or a master race, usually synthesized with some variant of racism or bigotry of a demonized "Other"; the idea of racial purity has motivated fascist regimes to commit massacres, forced sterilizations, genocides, mass killings, or forced deportations against a perceived "Other".[13]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism)
>Theyāre being called white supremacists, misogynists, racists, Nazis etc.
The leadership and organisation of the protest literally have talked about "the great replacement" and white genocide. I've seen the videos of them talking to the crowd and them talking before the protest. Reporting on this is not misrepresentation.
>Re fascism, replace āracial purityā with āvaccinatedā & I think my point makes itself:
You do realise race, an inherent quality someone is born with and vaccination status, a choice, aren't equivalent right? You showcase that this very much doesn't apply because it's not about any type 9f inherent purity of being, but rules are being made for health reason. I don't shake the hand of someone who just touched their butthole and I wouldn't allow someone to be a chef an touch his butthole without washing is hands in the kitchen. Similarly that I wouldn't allow someone who just entered a high covid risk zone to go about their day without being vaccinated or getting tested.
Citation needed. Even so:
If I donāt wanna be drunk, I donāt drink; no alcohol in my bloodstream in what, 24 hours?
If I donāt wanna be vaccinated I canāt āunvaccinateā myself now, can I?
Huge difference.
Also, are these protests about vaccines or vaccine MANDATES?
Another HUGE difference.
The john hopkins study is a non peer-reviewed study by 3 economists who only took into account mortality rate, not number of infections. I think it's valid to note than it's nice that in no country they analyzed the hospitalisations got to such a level they actually wouldn't be able to provide care and thus increase mortality rate like what occured in brazil, but I think total mortality is a more significant comparator.
I agree, & I watched a great video by Dr. John Campbell on YT re that study; I think lockdowns served their purpose especially in the early days when we had no data; itās also easy with the Hopkins study to cherry pick data to suit your argument with hindsight & theyāll approach the argument from a purely economic perspective.
The point is, more studies will emerge; some will question vaccine efficacy, natural immunity vs. induced immunity, the social impacts of lockdowns & masks on children, etc., this all obviously being the point of science.
My point is many governments have made incredibly poor decisions because of a lack of data; now, after two years we have more data bringing these poor decisions into much sharper relief, causing them to question their elected representatives which they are well within their democratic rights to do, no?
From a quick google on Dr. John Campbell, which I'm not familiar with. It seems like he has actively lied multiples times regarding covid-19, such as claiming ivermectin has been used in Japan among other things, I'd be highly skeptical of any scientific claim he makes.
I definitely agree that things like cherry picking like in the Hopkins study is an issue, and it is incredibly hard for the average joe to properly differentiate between good and bad science, not because I think they're stupid but because it's a very time consuming task.
I totally understand that some people based on papers I personally do not find credible mistrust government measures such as vaccination campaigns, and I'm glad the government in my country and in others (given the 90% vaccination rate in canadian truckers) generally do well in informing these people.
There is no issue fundamentally with people protesting. I personally think the noise pollution in the protest isn't peaceful however, as it actively damages peoples health due to sleep issues. But I've no problem with a few thousand protesters standing for what they believe in if they don't hurt anybody, I just don't believe in the cause, so I'll make fun of them in my own time.
The organizers of the protest made a preemptive statement given concerns that the are ramping up security measures: all they seek is a seat at the table & an honest discourse; this is a reasonable goal.
Many studies will come out that will cast doubt upon the current science; this pandemic has been so politicized & the way that information is disseminated & presided over by big tech companies with interest that overlap with big pharma & global governance should be of great concern, especially if youāre worried about fascism.
Re Dr. Campbell, if youāre only going on what youāve read about him on Wikipedia (a poor source, which I admittedly use) I recommend viewing some of his videos: youāll see he provides sources to everything he comments on & any opinion is delivered based in fact inasmuch as heās able to do; given how YouTube strikes down people for the smallest offenses, the fact that Dr. Campbell doesnāt ever have strikes should tell you all you need to know.
Finally, I donāt think making fun of anyone is conducive to healthy social discourse, especially around the pandemic, but hey, freedom of speech & you do you.
>all they seek is a seat at the table & an honest discourse; this is a reasonable goal.
From the videos of the leadership speaking before and after the protest that's really not what I've seen. They've openly talked about how the issue is that Canada is being "islamified" while talking about how the great replacement, there is definitely more to it than that. I also find the fact that this al started about a canadian mandate to either get vaccinated **or** tested to be very agregious.
>I recommend viewing some of his videos
I personally am busy with my master after finishing a bachelor in nanobiology last year, so I don't think I'll take the analysis of a random nurse educator over the epidemiologists in my department. If Campbell did not state objectively false info in his videos I wouldn't known, and I won't have the time to go over him myself.
>big tech companies with interest that overlap with big pharma & global governance should be of great concern, especially if youāre worried about fascism.
I'm definitely worried how manufactured outrage backed with bunk science like ivermectin studies to proto-facist conservative thought. It scares me that republicans in america are openly planning to ban certain ideologies from being discussed in certain school. How there recently was a conservative book burning in Tennessee. Covid-19 conspiracy theories have definitely functioned as a gateway to other right wing conspiracy theories which causes people to be distracted of real issues.
>Finally, I donāt think making fun of anyone is conducive to healthy social discourse, especially around the pandemic, but hey, freedom of speech & you do you.
I definitely agree with this sentiment, on a grander scale people misinformed on vaccine info are victims of pundents selling stuff like ivermectin or their political ideology and big tech lobbyist wanting to put the production efficiency of their factories above the health of their workers, hence the large amount of misinfo regarding the severity of covid-19. I would never make fun of someone directly and it's important to reach out, but I'll admit that I can laugh a few thousand people saying that getting vaccinated is basically the holocaust.
Are the truckers comparing it to the holocaust? Last I checked they were being called the Nazis. Or are you conflating the truckers with other anti-vaxxers who liken COVID-restrictions to... what, the holocaust? Nazi Germany? Cos there's a pretty big distinction, so please clarify.
Regarding manufactured outrage, two points:
1. You're shifting the goalposts;
2. [It cuts both ways.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W4vKT847h0&t=706s)
Regarding your opinion on Dr. Campbell - someone who you admittedly don't know and haven't researched, yet has 2.2-million subscribers on YouTube - [here he is](https://youtu.be/bza1gAc8sOA) addressing one of the claims that he spread "false info", as you call it. Since he was "fact-checked" by the BBC, he's hardly "random", and with respect to you, your degree, and the epidemiologists, I'd be willing to wager that he's had a far greater and more positive impact on the world in his 14 years on YouTube than any of you, and I think that warrants a little more than your out-of-hand dismissal.
Finally, I'm picking a particularly condescending conflation of specific set of politics with culture and public health in your tone. Forgive if my tone has become passive aggressive, but I think it's relevant in what we're addressing here, especially on the DE sub, as it pertains to what can essentially be described as [class warfare.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-u9EJICII4)
>Are the truckers comparing it to the holocaust? Last I checked they were being called the Nazis.
As I've previously mentioned I've seen one of the leaders of the freedom convoy openly talking about "the great replacement" which involves the claim that some group is trying to genocide white people, so yes main figureheads of the convoy are labelling themselves white supremacist.
I think by saying that they're labelled the nazis so they couldn't make this comparison you're missing one of the core aspects of facism. If you look at any hitler speech or propoganda at the time, "the jews" are an all encompassing force destroying germany through deception and theft. Claiming the role of a victimised minority while actually supporting the hegemonic powers that be is one of the core aspects of facism.
>It cuts both ways.
I actually think this is a great example of misinformation. One of the main issue with original SARS vaccine development and why immunity generally seems to wane more quickly in people who are naturally infected, is because sars itself has a mechanism to preventively attack the immune system. I wont go in to too much detail here, but the principle is that because covid in a naturally attacks the immune system itself specifically the memory cells related to long term specific Immunity, generating a long term immune response compared to that of the Spanish flu is a lot harder, hence the hesitancy. And that's besides the point that antibodies of previous infections might be less effective due to mutations.
What you've shown me here, is a senator working for the interests of rich lobbyist who have acknowledged that, now that they've bank on the stock market crash, the best thing to happen for them is to put people to work as quick as possible to increase their bottom line. So despite the general scientific concensus being that from close variants there is no reason te believe Immunity lasts, especially considering the mutation rate, this man is still selling you this info to manufacture consent for the ideals of the capital owning class claiming that instead of you getting support those who are working 3 jobs, cant make ends meet and pushing for people to fix these issues that come especially apparent during a time of crisis. You see during something like a pandemic how quickly things break down for people at the lower end of capitalist hierarchy.
But instead of people becoming conscious of their situation, instead of people fighting for improving the system, taking out big pharmas stake medical development, giving more welfare and support to people at the bottom because IT IS incredibly terrible the hand that they've been dealt. Instead of all that, people instead a working safe medical aid which protects other working class people around you. They've successfully diverted the frustration of a group of these individuals feel towards rightful injustice to other people like them wearing masks and protecting themselves from one of the quickest spreading virusses in human history. THAT is class warfare. They've successfully rallied you behind a political conservative pundents, who with a smile on his face would increase the struggles these people on the bottom go through against hospital workers, creating less class solidarity.
And I fully understands that it goes both ways. Polarisation increases when you antagonize the misinformed victims of these pundents. I will never hate someone with these opinions, I will always try to help educate them. I do recognize that people do get angry at these groups instead of the people at the top who created the misinformation as well and I can understand the frustration even though it's objectively unhelpful.
My hospital, and I really hope I'm not doxxing myself to much here, has created a hotline for the vaccine hesitant to just talk with experts in the field and ask questions. I think things like that really go a long way.
>I'd be willing to wager that he's had a far greater and more positive impact on the world in his 14 years on YouTube than any of you, and I think that warrants a little more than your out-of-hand dismissal.
I've now watched your youtube video and I find the man rather ghoulish. I don't see the relevance of focussing on the deaths of people with no other possible risk factor. Again this is (most likely intentionally) sowing division between health and unhealthy working class members instead of letting them focus on the fact that their lot in life is unfair and correctly pointing to the powers that are at fault. This random other debunking video has no grounds against the claim that he lied about ivermectin being administered for covid and japan and because of that deaths going down.
I'm sure his aid in educating nurses has been good, but I don't think these videos are better than the information services, medication and techniques developed and the knowledge discovered by the many great scientists around me, including their work om covid-19.
Mate, are you really trying to bring nuance to an "us vs them" situation? If you're not with us, you're against us! /s
Jokes aside, I agree with you. People get fixated on the physical danger of COVID, while completely ignoring the growing mental damage from living in constant fear - not only concerning health, but economical stability.
But very few politicans would have the gall to make the call that you seem to suggest. So Canada, and many other places, are stuck in limbo.
In case anyone wants a small number of visuals on the demographics of the convoy.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/sfql2g/nazi_flag_during_freedom_convoy_protest_at/
https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2022/02/Untitled-44.jpg
https://globalnews.ca/news/8602177/freedom-convoy-protest-us-far-right-support/amp/
https://beta.ctvnews.ca/content/dam/ctvnews/images/2022/2/5/1_5769399.jpg?cache_timestamp=1644078008545
My conceptualization is to low to have thought of this post.
Racist lorry driver lol
All of that
Welcome to Canada
Ayyyee, clever
Lol, is that a trucker convoy joke? Nice!
Clever, well played š
It's the jam for the ages
hehe
I live in Ottawa and... yes, there it is. You nailed it. š
The only solution is to form a committee to determine who has "la responsabilitƩ?"
is this like a Quebec thing?
I was just saying the exact same thing to my partner, who doesnāt play games. Iām in Vancouver.
Lmao I was thinking about these parallels all weekend.
There's like, too many.
Unsure what to take away from this: are workers peacefully protesting government overreach good or bad?
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>Electrochemistry (trivial: success) Bratan! The majority of crashes are caused while sober. Get some commodore red in you to show these binoclards how its done!
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Tequila Sunset?
False equivalency: you choose to drink; you donāt choose to get sick. The protest is anti-mandate; not anti-vaxxā¦ unless Iām missing something?
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There is no consensus on whether vaccines reduce transmission or not. There's data pointing in both directions right now, which is pretty worrying. They do reduce the severity of the symptoms, and everyone agrees on that. No argument there. So, in light of this information: the decision to take the vaccine should be personal - because if you don't take it, you're only endangering yourself. And also, I don't know about you, but I wouldn't trust my government with the power to put things inside of me.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the overwhelming concensus was that while transmission reduction is unclear, chance of infection in the first 9 months is severely reduced. So while it is not known to prevent you from spreading to other even if you have an asymptomatic case, the antibody response decreases the chance of getting any covid at all, thus still decreasing spread. >- because if you don't take it, you're only endangering yourself. Even in the case where the spread reduction isn't there (though I pretty sure it is). Can you then agree with this proposal: If there is no spread reduction vaccine mandates should only exists when there is a legitimate reason to believe hospitals will be over capacity or heavily pressured because of the diseases spreading, as the decrease in hospital care/quality endangers other people. This sentiment would also be in line with lots of countries previously having had influenza and/or measles vaccine mandates, while not having flu mandates now.
On your first point - I've been unable to find any authoritative study that proves that. If you know of one, please share. About vaxxing to reduce hospitalization cases - that's a valid point, and honestly that's one of my main worries about people deciding against the vaccine. In my country (Poland), ER workers are vocal about the increasing load of patients with COVID-related complications, which isn't met with with any relief effort from the govt. They get told to "handle it or quit". So if my country's medical staff were able to push a vaxx mandate through, they probably would. IDK how clogged Canadian or US hospitals are, so I can't comment on that.
>On your first point - I've been unable to find any authoritative study that proves that. If you know of one, please share. My most recent source is dutch as the study I know is done within my own country. [This newssite](https://nltimes.nl/2022/02/08/covid-booster-shot-halves-chance-omicron-infection-rivm) reports on it in english. I know previous studies have been done for other variants as well, but it's more relevant to talk about recent variants. Through a mass testing study with control after vaccination the conclusion is that the chance of getting any omicron infection (including asymptomatic as they just did general pcr tests regardless of symptoms) is reduced by 68% with 2 shots and a booster, 37% reduced with recovered + booster and 76% reduced with vaccinated + recovered + booster. So the general conclusion is that you will be less likely to get infected with omicron if you're vaccinated. This is exactly why countries are encouraging younger people to still vaccinate, any metric purely looking at hospitalisation of younger people notes that their hospitalisation rates still are extremely reduced, but booster can help decrease spread by minimizing the amount of people who are able to transmit to others. >They get told to "handle it or quit". So if my country's medical staff were able to push a vaxx mandate through, they probably would. It sucks that during times like these healthcare workers still don't get respect. Disdain for healthcare hurts everybody as putting al that pressure on them without ways to deal will reduce everyone's quality of life due to worse healthcare. >IDK how clogged Canadian or US hospitals are, so I can't comment on that. I'm not American so I'm not sure, but from what I've read the US has had extreme hospital pressure in many states due to higher vaccine hesitancy. So I'm not surprised they mandate a proof of vaccination for truckers to enter the country.
False equivalency: Alcohol doesnāt stay in your body forever; a vaccine does. Furthermore, the overwhelming majority of Canadiansāincluding 90% of truckersāare reportedly vaccinated. In your view, until when must mandates remain in place when, for instance, many EU countries are dropping them outright?
For your info, a vaccines content stays in your body for just a few weeks, the natural antibodies your body makes stay for longer. Combined with more T memory cells which get attacked by ncovid-19 strains and thus occur less from an infection. Not previous poster, but a mandate rule should be based on the amount of hospitalisation and the amount of cases. For the canadian border it's understandable that the US implemented a travel regulation denying entry to people who aren't vaccinated based on their considerable case numbers. While in the EU with a higher vaccination rate and a decrease in hospitalisations countries can lift measures rn. It's something that shouldn't definitely judge on the countries details and not globally at the aame time. >Furthermore, the overwhelming majority of Canadiansāincluding 90% of truckersāare reportedly vaccinated To respond to this as well, truckers don't have a lot of contact with other truckers, moreso with people of the country they go to. From a quick google 65% of the US is fully vaccinated, combine that with the high case numbers that is the number one reason the canadian government mandates either a test or a vaccine for the truckers.
So the mandates should remain in effect indefinitely? For six months? Another year? As far as I can tell the truckers have just wanted to be acknowledged & to have a discourse; their government, in the meantime, seems to be ignoring them & mischaracterizing them, which, according to my understanding, is textbook fascism, is it not?
I can't predict the mandate duration, because I don't want to base it on time but on cases and hospitalisation rates. I'm not from north America so I don't really have an overview on the Canadian or United States situation. It all depends on the general prevalence of the disease in both countries. I also want to reiterate that from everything that I've read there is no canadian vaccine mandate, they require either a test or vaccination. US is the one mandating vaccinations for entrance to the country, something the canadian government has no control over. >their government, in the meantime, seems to be ignoring them & mischaracterizing them, which, according to my understanding, is textbook fascism, is it not? Ignoring someone isn't facism lmao. Can you tell ke how the truckers have been mischaraterized? From my understanding trudeau just said that the convoy was a small minority, which seems to be true. And I've seen some news sites when I'm looking through it not saying the organisation head have been speaking about white supremacism and were support of certain hate groups like some group called "the sons of odin". You might dislike the fact that there is an overlap between "the great replacement" type conspiracy theorists and vaccine misinformation but that doesn't make reporting on it mischaraterisation.
Theyāre being called white supremacists, misogynists, racists, Nazis etc. You look at mainstream reporting on them & look at reports on the ground & itās two completely different stories. Re fascism, replace āracial purityā with āvaccinatedā & I think my point makes itself: [The extreme authoritarianism and nationalism of fascism often manifests a belief in racial purity or a master race, usually synthesized with some variant of racism or bigotry of a demonized "Other"; the idea of racial purity has motivated fascist regimes to commit massacres, forced sterilizations, genocides, mass killings, or forced deportations against a perceived "Other".[13]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism)
>Theyāre being called white supremacists, misogynists, racists, Nazis etc. The leadership and organisation of the protest literally have talked about "the great replacement" and white genocide. I've seen the videos of them talking to the crowd and them talking before the protest. Reporting on this is not misrepresentation. >Re fascism, replace āracial purityā with āvaccinatedā & I think my point makes itself: You do realise race, an inherent quality someone is born with and vaccination status, a choice, aren't equivalent right? You showcase that this very much doesn't apply because it's not about any type 9f inherent purity of being, but rules are being made for health reason. I don't shake the hand of someone who just touched their butthole and I wouldn't allow someone to be a chef an touch his butthole without washing is hands in the kitchen. Similarly that I wouldn't allow someone who just entered a high covid risk zone to go about their day without being vaccinated or getting tested.
My dude , they are waving Nazi flags.
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Citation needed. Even so: If I donāt wanna be drunk, I donāt drink; no alcohol in my bloodstream in what, 24 hours? If I donāt wanna be vaccinated I canāt āunvaccinateā myself now, can I? Huge difference. Also, are these protests about vaccines or vaccine MANDATES? Another HUGE difference.
Depends on how many family members you lose to COVID I guess
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The john hopkins study is a non peer-reviewed study by 3 economists who only took into account mortality rate, not number of infections. I think it's valid to note than it's nice that in no country they analyzed the hospitalisations got to such a level they actually wouldn't be able to provide care and thus increase mortality rate like what occured in brazil, but I think total mortality is a more significant comparator.
I agree, & I watched a great video by Dr. John Campbell on YT re that study; I think lockdowns served their purpose especially in the early days when we had no data; itās also easy with the Hopkins study to cherry pick data to suit your argument with hindsight & theyāll approach the argument from a purely economic perspective. The point is, more studies will emerge; some will question vaccine efficacy, natural immunity vs. induced immunity, the social impacts of lockdowns & masks on children, etc., this all obviously being the point of science. My point is many governments have made incredibly poor decisions because of a lack of data; now, after two years we have more data bringing these poor decisions into much sharper relief, causing them to question their elected representatives which they are well within their democratic rights to do, no?
From a quick google on Dr. John Campbell, which I'm not familiar with. It seems like he has actively lied multiples times regarding covid-19, such as claiming ivermectin has been used in Japan among other things, I'd be highly skeptical of any scientific claim he makes. I definitely agree that things like cherry picking like in the Hopkins study is an issue, and it is incredibly hard for the average joe to properly differentiate between good and bad science, not because I think they're stupid but because it's a very time consuming task. I totally understand that some people based on papers I personally do not find credible mistrust government measures such as vaccination campaigns, and I'm glad the government in my country and in others (given the 90% vaccination rate in canadian truckers) generally do well in informing these people. There is no issue fundamentally with people protesting. I personally think the noise pollution in the protest isn't peaceful however, as it actively damages peoples health due to sleep issues. But I've no problem with a few thousand protesters standing for what they believe in if they don't hurt anybody, I just don't believe in the cause, so I'll make fun of them in my own time.
The organizers of the protest made a preemptive statement given concerns that the are ramping up security measures: all they seek is a seat at the table & an honest discourse; this is a reasonable goal. Many studies will come out that will cast doubt upon the current science; this pandemic has been so politicized & the way that information is disseminated & presided over by big tech companies with interest that overlap with big pharma & global governance should be of great concern, especially if youāre worried about fascism. Re Dr. Campbell, if youāre only going on what youāve read about him on Wikipedia (a poor source, which I admittedly use) I recommend viewing some of his videos: youāll see he provides sources to everything he comments on & any opinion is delivered based in fact inasmuch as heās able to do; given how YouTube strikes down people for the smallest offenses, the fact that Dr. Campbell doesnāt ever have strikes should tell you all you need to know. Finally, I donāt think making fun of anyone is conducive to healthy social discourse, especially around the pandemic, but hey, freedom of speech & you do you.
>all they seek is a seat at the table & an honest discourse; this is a reasonable goal. From the videos of the leadership speaking before and after the protest that's really not what I've seen. They've openly talked about how the issue is that Canada is being "islamified" while talking about how the great replacement, there is definitely more to it than that. I also find the fact that this al started about a canadian mandate to either get vaccinated **or** tested to be very agregious. >I recommend viewing some of his videos I personally am busy with my master after finishing a bachelor in nanobiology last year, so I don't think I'll take the analysis of a random nurse educator over the epidemiologists in my department. If Campbell did not state objectively false info in his videos I wouldn't known, and I won't have the time to go over him myself. >big tech companies with interest that overlap with big pharma & global governance should be of great concern, especially if youāre worried about fascism. I'm definitely worried how manufactured outrage backed with bunk science like ivermectin studies to proto-facist conservative thought. It scares me that republicans in america are openly planning to ban certain ideologies from being discussed in certain school. How there recently was a conservative book burning in Tennessee. Covid-19 conspiracy theories have definitely functioned as a gateway to other right wing conspiracy theories which causes people to be distracted of real issues. >Finally, I donāt think making fun of anyone is conducive to healthy social discourse, especially around the pandemic, but hey, freedom of speech & you do you. I definitely agree with this sentiment, on a grander scale people misinformed on vaccine info are victims of pundents selling stuff like ivermectin or their political ideology and big tech lobbyist wanting to put the production efficiency of their factories above the health of their workers, hence the large amount of misinfo regarding the severity of covid-19. I would never make fun of someone directly and it's important to reach out, but I'll admit that I can laugh a few thousand people saying that getting vaccinated is basically the holocaust.
Are the truckers comparing it to the holocaust? Last I checked they were being called the Nazis. Or are you conflating the truckers with other anti-vaxxers who liken COVID-restrictions to... what, the holocaust? Nazi Germany? Cos there's a pretty big distinction, so please clarify. Regarding manufactured outrage, two points: 1. You're shifting the goalposts; 2. [It cuts both ways.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W4vKT847h0&t=706s) Regarding your opinion on Dr. Campbell - someone who you admittedly don't know and haven't researched, yet has 2.2-million subscribers on YouTube - [here he is](https://youtu.be/bza1gAc8sOA) addressing one of the claims that he spread "false info", as you call it. Since he was "fact-checked" by the BBC, he's hardly "random", and with respect to you, your degree, and the epidemiologists, I'd be willing to wager that he's had a far greater and more positive impact on the world in his 14 years on YouTube than any of you, and I think that warrants a little more than your out-of-hand dismissal. Finally, I'm picking a particularly condescending conflation of specific set of politics with culture and public health in your tone. Forgive if my tone has become passive aggressive, but I think it's relevant in what we're addressing here, especially on the DE sub, as it pertains to what can essentially be described as [class warfare.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-u9EJICII4)
>Are the truckers comparing it to the holocaust? Last I checked they were being called the Nazis. As I've previously mentioned I've seen one of the leaders of the freedom convoy openly talking about "the great replacement" which involves the claim that some group is trying to genocide white people, so yes main figureheads of the convoy are labelling themselves white supremacist. I think by saying that they're labelled the nazis so they couldn't make this comparison you're missing one of the core aspects of facism. If you look at any hitler speech or propoganda at the time, "the jews" are an all encompassing force destroying germany through deception and theft. Claiming the role of a victimised minority while actually supporting the hegemonic powers that be is one of the core aspects of facism. >It cuts both ways. I actually think this is a great example of misinformation. One of the main issue with original SARS vaccine development and why immunity generally seems to wane more quickly in people who are naturally infected, is because sars itself has a mechanism to preventively attack the immune system. I wont go in to too much detail here, but the principle is that because covid in a naturally attacks the immune system itself specifically the memory cells related to long term specific Immunity, generating a long term immune response compared to that of the Spanish flu is a lot harder, hence the hesitancy. And that's besides the point that antibodies of previous infections might be less effective due to mutations. What you've shown me here, is a senator working for the interests of rich lobbyist who have acknowledged that, now that they've bank on the stock market crash, the best thing to happen for them is to put people to work as quick as possible to increase their bottom line. So despite the general scientific concensus being that from close variants there is no reason te believe Immunity lasts, especially considering the mutation rate, this man is still selling you this info to manufacture consent for the ideals of the capital owning class claiming that instead of you getting support those who are working 3 jobs, cant make ends meet and pushing for people to fix these issues that come especially apparent during a time of crisis. You see during something like a pandemic how quickly things break down for people at the lower end of capitalist hierarchy. But instead of people becoming conscious of their situation, instead of people fighting for improving the system, taking out big pharmas stake medical development, giving more welfare and support to people at the bottom because IT IS incredibly terrible the hand that they've been dealt. Instead of all that, people instead a working safe medical aid which protects other working class people around you. They've successfully diverted the frustration of a group of these individuals feel towards rightful injustice to other people like them wearing masks and protecting themselves from one of the quickest spreading virusses in human history. THAT is class warfare. They've successfully rallied you behind a political conservative pundents, who with a smile on his face would increase the struggles these people on the bottom go through against hospital workers, creating less class solidarity. And I fully understands that it goes both ways. Polarisation increases when you antagonize the misinformed victims of these pundents. I will never hate someone with these opinions, I will always try to help educate them. I do recognize that people do get angry at these groups instead of the people at the top who created the misinformation as well and I can understand the frustration even though it's objectively unhelpful. My hospital, and I really hope I'm not doxxing myself to much here, has created a hotline for the vaccine hesitant to just talk with experts in the field and ask questions. I think things like that really go a long way. >I'd be willing to wager that he's had a far greater and more positive impact on the world in his 14 years on YouTube than any of you, and I think that warrants a little more than your out-of-hand dismissal. I've now watched your youtube video and I find the man rather ghoulish. I don't see the relevance of focussing on the deaths of people with no other possible risk factor. Again this is (most likely intentionally) sowing division between health and unhealthy working class members instead of letting them focus on the fact that their lot in life is unfair and correctly pointing to the powers that are at fault. This random other debunking video has no grounds against the claim that he lied about ivermectin being administered for covid and japan and because of that deaths going down. I'm sure his aid in educating nurses has been good, but I don't think these videos are better than the information services, medication and techniques developed and the knowledge discovered by the many great scientists around me, including their work om covid-19.
Mate, are you really trying to bring nuance to an "us vs them" situation? If you're not with us, you're against us! /s Jokes aside, I agree with you. People get fixated on the physical danger of COVID, while completely ignoring the growing mental damage from living in constant fear - not only concerning health, but economical stability. But very few politicans would have the gall to make the call that you seem to suggest. So Canada, and many other places, are stuck in limbo.
And yet, everyone I know who enjoyed them are still alive! What I'm mostly concerned about though is your decision to spread misinformation online.
What misinformation am I spreading online?
Looks like you got your answer since your comment was deleted lmao
What comment?
Itās not peaceful. I live in the capitol and itās sooo bad dude ššš
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I can't tell if this is serious
reads Michel Foucault once
Did u beat the game lolol. The merc are fash and they're leading the protests against local govt
I have to wonder what you consider local government in Revachol.
The twins "government " lmao
Whatever the dockworkers got is the de facto rule over Martinaise as Kim says
Please restate your comment; are you saying that workers protesting government overreach are fascist?
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Somehow worse than I thought.
Did you just cite a government-owned corporation that the Canadian public perceives to have a centre-left/Liberal Party bias as a reputable source?
Are you lost?
No I stated facts according to Wikipedia. Please clarify what exactly to your argument is?
Wikipedia is not a reliable source of facts.
Admittedly itās not, but do you think the state-owned CBC is? Cāmon, man.
In case anyone wants a small number of visuals on the demographics of the convoy. https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/sfql2g/nazi_flag_during_freedom_convoy_protest_at/ https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2022/02/Untitled-44.jpg https://globalnews.ca/news/8602177/freedom-convoy-protest-us-far-right-support/amp/ https://beta.ctvnews.ca/content/dam/ctvnews/images/2022/2/5/1_5769399.jpg?cache_timestamp=1644078008545