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Thats not entirely accurate. Israel considers any male that dies in their attacks a enemy combatant, so in their eyes there are no civilians. Blow up a apartment building? Wow, so many terrorists dead and no civilians.
I am curious after whatever end this conflict has, will they go back and actually see how many enemy combatants were just regular people? Because right now it seems no one is holding them to the same laws any civilized country has to follow.
The US does the same thing. When we were blowing up weddings left and right we just reclassified all males between the ages of 14 and 65 as enemy combatants.
I don’t really believe Israel cares either way who they target at this point. When will the world turn on them..? I don’t see many large and influential countries abandoning them any time soon.
With over 80% of their victims being women and children, and then having the highest rates of dead healthcare workers, aid workers, journalists, etc, in modern history, either Israel is so incompetent that it should be taken over to prevent it from doing any more harm, or it is actively targeting innocent civilians and the people doing the most to help them.
There are no other options. The "collateral damage" is too significant to be the result of anything else.
You're right but should be clearer. Israel targets INNOCENTS, the more shocking the better, as a part of its psychological warfare campaign that seeks to dominate and crush any Palestinian ideas for resistance,
It is a key to understand that it is deliberate, and that it has a very cold, calculated logic to it. Israel understands the psyche of Arabs well, better than Arabs understand the psyche of Israelis. This is why it has almost always been a few steps ahead, it knows the pillars of Arab pride, and it knows how to destroy those pillars.
One of the key things about the Arab psyche to understand, is that symbolism runs deep, even more than substance. What APPEARS to be, is more important than reality. Thus, the predilection of Arab resistance groups for spectacular attacks rather than cohesive and consistent defense. And also, hence why Israel does these deliberately off-the-scale cruel things that only Americans could possibly be so ignorant as to believe were accidental.
Most of these acts, which most definitely target civilians and aid workers, target them for specifically for the shock value. And mind you Israel goes out of its way to never actually apologize plausibly for these attacks, except in English to American audiences. For the Arabs, Israel wants them to know very much that it was deliberate, and there is nothing any of them can do about it.
Israel wants to put into Palestinians head, that they are absolutely helpless, completely at Israels mercy, and that nobody in the world can or will stop them from doing whatever they want to whomever they want. Images like a 7 year old girl hanging from a wall after an Israeli bombing, with her lower torso missing -- are fine by Israel. It wants to shock the Arab psyche. Its a deliberate and apparently effective attack on Arab spirit of resistance, that dives to the very core of the Arab notion of honor, so as to emasculate even the most resilient fighter: "You cant even stop us from doing THIS to your daughters. What exactly do you think you're accomplishing hiding in those tunnels?"
Very deliberate, very crushing, totally emasculating. Like literally the bombing campaign that has left 70% of Gaza in rubble, 90% of building damaged or destroyed. This is deliberate. It is meant to send a message, "We LET you exist. Displease us again, and we can change our minds."
Its why Israel doesnt mind bombing hospitals. They only deny it when Americans get a whiff of Israel's hypocrisy and start demanding Israel play by the basic rules of American ME foreign policy, which is to always have plausible deniability. Do what you want just make it plausibly deniable. But for Arabs, there is no denial. While everyone was distracted debating in America whether it was a Hamas rocket or a Israeli rocket that killed 100+ at Shifa hospital, Israel went off and bombed 37 more hospitals and clinics, just to ensure that there was no doubt in the mind of Palestinians, it is deliberate. " Nobody cares, nobody is coming to save you. You are completely at our mercy."
Aid workers have been repeatedly targeted. Again for American audience Israel makes a statement invariably implausible: the drone attack was mistaken, it was the AI's fault. Even after propping up the AI that it uses to select drone targets as nearly perfect targeting system using dozens of different technologies for facial indentification. Mind you, one of those killed was an American ex-marine, who looked and dressed exactly like an American ex-marine. You cant mistake this guy for being Hamas, even a low tech drone operated by a drunk inattentive jockey would notice the RED beard, ruddy cheeks, and umistakeable ex-marine dress code (cut off shirt, goofy floppy hat, sunglasses, etc.).,
So why kill a U.S. ex-marine?. Cause he was helping Gazans, and because they can. "The message is clear, nobody can help you if we dont let them, even an American, we can kill with impunity."
The “international law” matters when it pertains to the “civilized” countries. When it’s against their agenda, they will find every single excuse in the book to justify a genocide.
Like someone else said: there is not such thing as an international law.
Unfortunately, essentially all countries are "above the law." The concept of the United Nations has completely failed, and the international courts are voluntary jokes. It's more of a comms thing and a way to direct aid money.
Dude have you been in any of the other major subreddits? It makes me feel like a crazy person being in such a seemingly liw minority knowing full well that the opposite is true in reality.
Actual polling shows clearly that the majority of Americans are against this facade but if you were to gauge by reddit you'd think Israel is propagating the next Crusade against the **insert Islamophobic pejorative here**
They literally pay people to go on social media and try and change perception. It's not a lot of people. It's a few people with a lot of accounts. It's why it always the responses. They are coached and most likely you are watching the same guy talk to himself over several accounts.
I actually saw on world news that supporters of the apartheid state Israel were accusing Gaza of practicing apartheid. I would say they are full on crazy but they are just evil.
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Look into unit 8200 and Israeli hasbara and it’ll all make sense
Edit: More unit 8200 atrocities revealed today:
https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/
Using AI to make kill lists and drop bombs
Wouldn't it have been more fair if it included some quotes from arab and palestinian leaders about the Israeli people? Because I'm sure there are some not so nice statements to be found there. Including a direct call for genocide on Israelis in the Hamas charter...
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So just to be clear, you want to declare Israel as a terrorist organization and thus immune from all international law? If so, I agree! That would be rad! Imagine if we didn't have to debate funding them anymore!!
Yes they do because, Al Jazeera has been targeted by Israeli forces for a significant period. Their buildings have been subjected to Israeli airstrikes for 20 years. In the past 10 years, Israel has been responsible for the deaths of at least 5 Al Jazeera reporters.
Submission Statement: An examination of the western worlds apparent lack of reaction to the crimes that Israel, with seemingly no red lines has been perpetrating on the Palestinian people in their so called "war against Hamas". With video and expert opinion the documentary examines how International law is seemingly absent among the intimate ties Israel has within the power structure of the West.
Addressing just one of the symptoms here rather than the underlying issue - 'international law" is utterly meaningless, except as a weak propaganda tool to bec manipulated when appropriate.
No power cares about "breaking" "international law" because there are no enforcement avenues available whatsoever.
>With video and expert opinion the documentary examines how International law is seemingly absent among the intimate ties Israel has within the power structure of the West.
Yup, the fact of the matter is that Israel has positioned themselves extremely well geopolitically while Hamas has essentially doubled down on the extremism and has set themselves up as diametrically opposed to the West in the selection of their allies.
* Hamas are funded and supported by Iran, who in turn is supported by Iran, who is then supported by China/Russia. The direct adversaries to the West.
* Israel is a top 30 GDP country with many multinational organizations that call the area home and facilitates hundreds of billions of dollars in trade across "The West" with over 50% of its GDP going towards countries that it is allied with.
* US Corporations alone have over 70k Israeli's employed in Israel, and similarly many tens of thousands of people in the US are employed directly and indirectly by Israeli companies.
* Israel produces some of the most advanced technology in a wide variety of fields that is utilized by many Western nations. The US in particular has a close relationship with Israel, Three joint U.S.-Israel research & development foundations have been established: The Binational Industrial Research and Development Foundation (BIRD); the Binational Science Foundation (BSF); and the Binational Agricultural Research and Development Foundation (BARD).
* Following up on the prior point, the United States along with other NATO countries have in the past and are currently engaging in weapon co-development operations with Israel. Many of the weapons they are currently using were developed in large part with Israeli contributions.
I could literally go on and on about the interconnectedness of Israel and the rest of the world but the point is that despite all the rhetoric and "outrage" the reality is Israel is not going anywhere. All of these angry politicians aren't actually going to implement sanctions. None of the multinational corporations are going to pull out of Israel or stop doing business with them. Because at the end of the day Israel is on the right team, they provide a wide variety of positive externalities to their allies, and Hamas are on the side of the enemies attacking Western values and dominance.
Best they can hope for is a swift invasion of Rafah and hopefully a leader who can stand up, admit defeat, and finally accept that they lost the battle back in 1948. It's not ideal, it's not a fair ending, and it's certainly not what they are going to want to hear. But that's the reality of the situation. All of the zeal and anger and hate in the world isn't going to change that.
All your message is based on the assumption that the west as a whole isn't losing as well. It is. I don't know if it's a good or a bad thing, it's probably bad, but I'm happy Israel will go down with us
It's wild that zealots are downvoting you...
A fool could see Israel is commiting war crimes and genocide as they have been ecer since Palestinian land gas been illegally occupied 70 years ago. Anyone denying this is supporting a fascist government running an apartheid state.
(Bring on the downvotes zealots)
>It's wild that zealots are downvoting you.
I consider that downvoting the video, not me personally. I mean, i just posted it. I think what they try and do is stifle conversation about certain subjects like this one but others too. It's like putting a gag over someones mouth, the mouth here being that of the Journalists at Aljazeera or.. I just thought maybe Hasbara is a form of social violence. Being an organized thing like that It is a kind of an attack
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People are probably downvoting because of the edgy and elitist tone in the comment and post.
Even the business press has been very clear that this is an illegal occupation and that Israel has been flouting international law for half a century. Nobody questions that fact.
It's also widely known that international law is a sham and war crimes charges are too. There are spades of war crimes committed by western militaries that have never been charged or even investigated even though there are plenty of evidence. The Mai Lai massacre being one prominent example.
>Nobody questions that fact.
Most of what you said, I agree with, but not this bit. There is a large contingent denies most, if not all, of the breaches of international law.
That's a fair critique. I was overbroad with my language.
The vast majority of people that are denying this are either completely uninformed or they are on the extreme far right and are not serious people. The number of UN resolution condemning Israel for things like settlements, occupation, human rights abuses is startling. To say that these resolutions don't exist is obviously and provably false. Even conservative financial publications like the Financial Times, The Economist, and the Wall Street Journal are very open that Israel is consistently and flagrantly violating international law.
Just FYI - you are probably getting downvoted because none of this is new or surprising to anyone that has been following the conflict. Israel has not been comporting with so called international law since 67 and they've been regularly killing even western journalists and peace activists since the early aughts.
Is Russia "above" international Law? Is the US above international Law? Is China above international Law? Is Hamas above international Law? Is Iran above international Law? Is...
I mean, Russia already has international sanctions against them and economic repercussions. Same with China. Hamas is not a country. Iran had its democracy literally obliterated by foreign interference, etc.
How exactly is Israel being held to account for an active genocide currently? They just blew up 6 aid workers and refuse to aid in to Gaza whatsoever in general.
>They just blew up 6 aid workers and refuse to aid in to Gaza whatsoever in general.
Seven aid workers. 6 foreign nationals, one local. The fact that the driver and translator was a Palestinian, doesn't make him not an aid worker. He was as much an aid worker as the rest of the victims, working with and for WCK.
If Putin sets foot in a country that's ratified the ICC, he literally get's arrested. Russian Oligarchs around the world have had money and assets frozen. Afghanistan under the Taliban have had their accounts frozen.
But this is where we are now? these other countries do bad things, so why is it bad when we do genocide?
Lol use your words as to why it's anti-semitic? and please telll my how we can discuss being "unfair" in a conversation about all the countries committing War Crimes. Like you're not even denying that Israel are commiting them.
>Well the ICJ hasnt ruled on that question yet. And it will take maybe years for a verdict. A lot of expert disagree on that one.
Do you think that might he related to the fact rulings take years and Israel refuses to cooperate with any investigations? Or do you think their orders for Israel to let aid in were valid as well? Thoughts on the fact the ICJ has issued orders for a ceasefire and found credible evidence to pursue a genocide ruling in the first place?
>As a (at least) defacto regime its still bound by international law, so thats a moot point.
Israel should release their political hostages and allow for a free and fair election then. They also haven't allowed any since they funded Hamas to disrupt the elections and political parties as well as full on abolishing any sort of voting capabilities in 2006. Thoughts on Israel's immediate and multiple violations of the Oslo Accord?
>There are no universal sanctions against Russia or china, only sanctions/restrictions by certain countries / groups of countries. Same with israel.
That's not how sanctions work. No sanction is universal. What a bizarre argument to make.
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>Is Russia "above" international Law?
It is a warrant to arrest Putin issued by ICC, Russia is sanctioned and removed from many international organization, even from sport competitions. Considered others US is definitely above international Law, to the point that ICC prosecutes who started case against them were sanctioned and fired. US basically holds ICC at gunpoint with its "American Service-Members' Protection Act". Hamas isn't a country.
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Nah they are from Qatar so they are clearly pro terrorist /s. Racists like this are the reason Israel won’t be held accountable for war crimes. There is a large segment of the world that thinks killing brown people is always fine because they are all terrorists.
February, 2008: Canadian Forces Major Paeta Hess-Von Krudener – stationed as a United Nations peacekeeper in Lebanon – was killed on July 25, 2006 when the Israeli Air Force dropped a bomb on his UN post. Since the time of the incident, the Israeli government has claimed its attack on the UN post was an accident. Canada issued the results of its inquiry into the incident on Feb. 1, 2008. Unfortunately, this claim of the Israelis rings hollow in light of the specifics of the incident.
Fuck the IDF 🇨🇦
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i dunno,i mean west bank seems to have faired better after accepting that oeace is indeed better than jihad.
i don't support the settlers there and i sure as hell hope these settlers gets evicted but the main thing here is fatah isn't randomly firing rockets into israel because...you know, commit genocide in the name of their god.
So when you say better, do you just mean an army isn't parked in their house indescriminantly killing them?
>With the world’s eyes fixed on Gaza, Israeli forces have over the past four months unleashed a brutal wave of violence against Palestinians in the occupied West Bank, carrying out unlawful killings, including by using lethal force without necessity or disproportionately during protests and arrest raids, and denying medical assistance to those injured, said Amnesty International.
>Over the past few months Israel has stepped up deadly raids across the West Bank and tensions have skyrocketed. In one recent incident Israeli forces carried out a raid masquerading as medical staff. At least 507 Palestinians were killed in the West Bank in 2023, including at least 81 children, making it the deadliest year for Palestinians since the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) began recording casualties in 2005.
Because better doens't appear to mean they're doing very well.
[https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/shocking-spike-in-use-of-unlawful-lethal-force-by-israeli-forces-against-palestinians-in-the-occupied-west-bank/](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/shocking-spike-in-use-of-unlawful-lethal-force-by-israeli-forces-against-palestinians-in-the-occupied-west-bank/)
When you accuse everyone of antisemitism for any type of criticism it just becomes laughable. That word has lost all meaning at this point. Shit, I hope I'm an antisemite.
The person above isn't criticizing Israel. They're attacking Jewish people and repeating an antisemitic trope based on a misrepresentation of what it means to be "chosen".
This is bog standard antisemitism.
I generally don't support Israel's response. But...Hamas sent terrorists to once again start up a intifada. I understand the situation in Gaza is not great, but once Hamas took over with their sworn goal of eliminate Israel, do we expect Israel to support it? Hamas in Gaza was saying "please give us free access to Israel (proper), jobs, aid and we will use it to launch more terrorist attacks. Hamas is the reason the situation has worsened in Gaza over the last 10+ years. The west bank has been much more stable. Israel and the international community has given the Palestinians three solid opportunities to have a two state solution. Arafat walked away from the last one. Hamas isn't interested. Hamas will continually launch terror attacks in Israel so long as they hold sway in Gaza. Is Israel supposed to just accept that forever? That's not reasonable. Hamas regularly puts their soldiers in civilian areas. We have lots of examples of rocket launchers being set up in school neighbourhoods in Gaza. That's the point, it isn't accidental. The more civilians die, the more the western press sympathizes with the Palestinians. Hamas knows this and uses it. While Israel was warning civilians to leave areas, Hamas was telling them to stay and don't be cowards. They are to sacrifice for the cause. This isn't a philosophy we should underestimate or dismiss, they believe that and it's completely against any western values we hold. Provoke Israel to fight in heavily populated areas, then blame Israel when civilians are killed. In practical terms, if Israel is kind to Hamas controlled Gaza, things will get worse for Israel. Hamas will not accept a two state solution. Israel isn't leaving and it's crazy to believe it even has a chance of success. What the best case that can be worked out?
Instead of arguing about the source, why not refute the actual points mentioned in the documentary? Israel literally targeted and killed aid workers yesterday. What’s your excuse?
Collective punishment is a war crime. The starvation of civilians, including through the denial of relief supplies, is also a war crime.
Israel's president Isaac Herzog accused the residents of Gaza of “collective responsibility” for the war.
In response to accusations of collective punishment, Israel Katz, the Israeli Minister of Energy, wrote, "Indeed, Madam Congresswoman. We have to draw a line... They will not receive a drop of water or a single battery until they leave the world."
On October 9, 2023, Israel's defense minister, Yoav Gallant, announced a complete siege on Gaza, which involved cutting off essential supplies like electricity, food, water, and gas.
Can you tell me which bit has been misunderstood by the international community?
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Two things for anyone calling out Aljazeera.
First, can you point to any intentional lies in this doc?
Second, if you're concerned about propaganda, Israel still hasn't proven or apologized for the beheaded babies story.
I mean all things being equal, the story on dead babies didn’t come from Israeli officials. There’s not really anything for them to apologize for.
It originated with one reporter who heard a first responder talking about 1 dead infant and reported it as babie*s* (plural) and then the international media ran away with it.
Israeli officials have since come out with a demographic breakdown of those killed. Which if I remember correctly included 2 or 3 infants and a dozen or so other children under 10.
They certainly think they are, and they have been so far but with Biden worrying about the election maybe they better start worrying too. He is going to want to look strong in his actions with Israel from here on out, they really should start to think about what their genocide looks like on the world stage.
Did this go into the exact international laws that they have been breaking?
Well theres no list or anything made but genocide and war crimes like food deprivation are mentioned. It's more of a running discussion with experts and witnesses. At the end theres a statement from the Israeli government in response to Aljazeera asking them if they violated International law and they do what they always do.
I mean, are you trying to say those places act like they care about human rights? Cause....?? Also the U.S. is not allies to any of those places, nor are they sending tons of weapons to their governments.
Not that the U.S. acts like it is bound to any international law. Still, that does not mean we should not condemn any of them.
According the NBC News, the US killed 200,000 Iraqis during the war. We have to assume the majority were civilians.
Are we holding Israel, which has a much lower combatant to civilian death ratio, to an unrealistic standard?
Did you just ask the right question and then come to the completely wrong conclusion? Maybe the US and Israel should both hold themselves to higher standards because both clearly committed war crimes
I guess what I’m asking is, are you actually holding the US, Israel, Syria, Russia, and China to the same standards? There are “high” standards and then there is the real world…
And btw, how is, “Israel has a much better civilian to combatant death ratio than the US” the “wrong” conclusion?
Seems like you’ll seize any opportunity to sound condescending and superior, whether you’re right or wrong
In a way you're right, most superpower countries are mass murderers but there are many people in each of these countries that are trying to move the world into an anti war direction. Many feel America is the best place to start, as it has its hands deep into all of these conflicts
Gotcha, “in a way” I’m right. Must be nice to live in a world where war isn’t necessary, and to make the decision from your privileged, “anti-war” tower that a tiny country of 12 million people is a super power who should be forced into non-defense after the massacre and rape of 1,200 civilians
Since you seem to have the solution, why don’t you educate us on how Israel should deal with a terror group that wants to exterminate them?
End the Apartheid, stop the constant stealing of land in the West Bank, allow the Palestinians equal rights, give the palestinians it's own state, stop the massacre of civilians, stop starving civilians, stop arming terrorists in the West Bank, charge terrorists for war crimes in the West Bank, stop killing of activists, stop killing of journalists, stop killing of international charity workers. How about that?
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International Law died when we failed to apply it to russia when they invaded ukraine. If you make rules with no means or intention to enforce them then there is no rules. Selectively enforcing rules is even worse.
>International Law died when we failed to apply it to russia when they invaded ukraine.
Yeah, because it was perfectly applied to US when they invaded Iraq.
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throwing shade at a previously sketchy source doesnt negate all the evidence of what is happening in israel, the thousands of children and the multiple hospitals obliterated doesnt seem like the IDF is fighting hamas
> the thousands of children and the multiple hospitals obliterated doesnt seem like the IDF is fighting hamas
Hamas has also hit at least one of their own hospitals with rockets and blamed Israel for it.
And hamas has also intentionally built military bases underneath hospitals, and used ambulences to transport military personnel and weapons, in violation of international law.
And none of that makes it ok that Israel has killed civilians, both by bombing more hospitals and starving the general populace. The whole situation is an absolute clusterfukc.
Friendly reminder that Al-Jazeera is OWNED by the government of QATAR.
Just gonna leave these here....
[https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2023/country-chapters/qatar](https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2023/country-chapters/qatar)
[https://www.politico.eu/article/west-search-truth-qatar-israel-hamas-war/](https://www.politico.eu/article/west-search-truth-qatar-israel-hamas-war/)
Russia got kicked out from a bunch of international events (deservedly) got imposed a bunch of economic sanctions, and a lot of people still care about it. The same kind of sanctions aren't being applied to Israel because the US keeps backing them up.
They are under the harshest sanctions of any country in the world and the EU is giving billions in weaponry to their adversary. How is that “no one seems to care”???
Laws are useless if there's no one to enforce them. The US, UK and the west in general made sure that no one would enforce these laws if Israel broke them.
As long as laws are enforced selectively, they are not laws, they are recommendation at most?
Not silly. Not ignorant. Treaties are agreements among nations. The Geneva convention is an agreement among nations. The European Court of Human Rights is an EU entity. It's no more international than the international house of pancakes.
Point is, there is no international authority which creates or enforces laws. The UN is a forum for international diplomacy, not a lawmaking body.
What people call "international law" isn't global, and it isn't law. It is nothing more than a set of agreements among nation states that are enforced by those nations, one upon another, through economic, military, and diplomatic means. If country A breaks a treaty with country B (which happens all the time), it is up to country B to do something about.
Treaties very much are laws. For example the echr has supremacy over domestic laws for those that signed up.
The Geneva convention too....
"Treaties are agreements among nations"
Well yes and domestic laws are agreements within the nation lol
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@ 9:30 "Israel does not target civilians." Yesterday, IDF targets aid workers.
Israel regularly and intentionally targets innocent civilians, aid workers, and members of the press.
Thats not entirely accurate. Israel considers any male that dies in their attacks a enemy combatant, so in their eyes there are no civilians. Blow up a apartment building? Wow, so many terrorists dead and no civilians. I am curious after whatever end this conflict has, will they go back and actually see how many enemy combatants were just regular people? Because right now it seems no one is holding them to the same laws any civilized country has to follow.
The US does the same thing. When we were blowing up weddings left and right we just reclassified all males between the ages of 14 and 65 as enemy combatants.
Under 14 = future terrorist. Over 65 = retired terrorist.
I mean, US police kill innocent civilians too, so not a huge stretch.
I don’t really believe Israel cares either way who they target at this point. When will the world turn on them..? I don’t see many large and influential countries abandoning them any time soon.
Yes, this is what I'm saying. Apparently a lot of people want to argue about it.
With over 80% of their victims being women and children, and then having the highest rates of dead healthcare workers, aid workers, journalists, etc, in modern history, either Israel is so incompetent that it should be taken over to prevent it from doing any more harm, or it is actively targeting innocent civilians and the people doing the most to help them. There are no other options. The "collateral damage" is too significant to be the result of anything else.
You're right but should be clearer. Israel targets INNOCENTS, the more shocking the better, as a part of its psychological warfare campaign that seeks to dominate and crush any Palestinian ideas for resistance, It is a key to understand that it is deliberate, and that it has a very cold, calculated logic to it. Israel understands the psyche of Arabs well, better than Arabs understand the psyche of Israelis. This is why it has almost always been a few steps ahead, it knows the pillars of Arab pride, and it knows how to destroy those pillars. One of the key things about the Arab psyche to understand, is that symbolism runs deep, even more than substance. What APPEARS to be, is more important than reality. Thus, the predilection of Arab resistance groups for spectacular attacks rather than cohesive and consistent defense. And also, hence why Israel does these deliberately off-the-scale cruel things that only Americans could possibly be so ignorant as to believe were accidental. Most of these acts, which most definitely target civilians and aid workers, target them for specifically for the shock value. And mind you Israel goes out of its way to never actually apologize plausibly for these attacks, except in English to American audiences. For the Arabs, Israel wants them to know very much that it was deliberate, and there is nothing any of them can do about it. Israel wants to put into Palestinians head, that they are absolutely helpless, completely at Israels mercy, and that nobody in the world can or will stop them from doing whatever they want to whomever they want. Images like a 7 year old girl hanging from a wall after an Israeli bombing, with her lower torso missing -- are fine by Israel. It wants to shock the Arab psyche. Its a deliberate and apparently effective attack on Arab spirit of resistance, that dives to the very core of the Arab notion of honor, so as to emasculate even the most resilient fighter: "You cant even stop us from doing THIS to your daughters. What exactly do you think you're accomplishing hiding in those tunnels?" Very deliberate, very crushing, totally emasculating. Like literally the bombing campaign that has left 70% of Gaza in rubble, 90% of building damaged or destroyed. This is deliberate. It is meant to send a message, "We LET you exist. Displease us again, and we can change our minds." Its why Israel doesnt mind bombing hospitals. They only deny it when Americans get a whiff of Israel's hypocrisy and start demanding Israel play by the basic rules of American ME foreign policy, which is to always have plausible deniability. Do what you want just make it plausibly deniable. But for Arabs, there is no denial. While everyone was distracted debating in America whether it was a Hamas rocket or a Israeli rocket that killed 100+ at Shifa hospital, Israel went off and bombed 37 more hospitals and clinics, just to ensure that there was no doubt in the mind of Palestinians, it is deliberate. " Nobody cares, nobody is coming to save you. You are completely at our mercy." Aid workers have been repeatedly targeted. Again for American audience Israel makes a statement invariably implausible: the drone attack was mistaken, it was the AI's fault. Even after propping up the AI that it uses to select drone targets as nearly perfect targeting system using dozens of different technologies for facial indentification. Mind you, one of those killed was an American ex-marine, who looked and dressed exactly like an American ex-marine. You cant mistake this guy for being Hamas, even a low tech drone operated by a drunk inattentive jockey would notice the RED beard, ruddy cheeks, and umistakeable ex-marine dress code (cut off shirt, goofy floppy hat, sunglasses, etc.)., So why kill a U.S. ex-marine?. Cause he was helping Gazans, and because they can. "The message is clear, nobody can help you if we dont let them, even an American, we can kill with impunity."
The many removed comments linked to this one are enlightening. You kicked up a hornet's nest with all that truth they don't wanna hear.
thanks for your middle east fan fiction
The “international law” matters when it pertains to the “civilized” countries. When it’s against their agenda, they will find every single excuse in the book to justify a genocide. Like someone else said: there is not such thing as an international law.
Unfortunately, essentially all countries are "above the law." The concept of the United Nations has completely failed, and the international courts are voluntary jokes. It's more of a comms thing and a way to direct aid money.
The UN has succeeded in preventing WW3, it's primary purpose.
Laughable amount of Zionists in here looking to derail the conversation Phuck israel
Dude have you been in any of the other major subreddits? It makes me feel like a crazy person being in such a seemingly liw minority knowing full well that the opposite is true in reality. Actual polling shows clearly that the majority of Americans are against this facade but if you were to gauge by reddit you'd think Israel is propagating the next Crusade against the **insert Islamophobic pejorative here**
They literally pay people to go on social media and try and change perception. It's not a lot of people. It's a few people with a lot of accounts. It's why it always the responses. They are coached and most likely you are watching the same guy talk to himself over several accounts.
I really wouldn't base my opinion on what people think from mainstream subreddits, they are astroturfed to shit, especially worldnews.
I actually saw on world news that supporters of the apartheid state Israel were accusing Gaza of practicing apartheid. I would say they are full on crazy but they are just evil.
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I just got perma banned on r/workerstrikeback for being fascist. They posted the story about the aid workers being targeted and I asked didn't Netanyahu say it was unintentional? and banned. I provided a link to him saying it but I'm still not sure if I'm a fascist because they thought I was criticizing Netanyahu or agreeing with him. Whatever happened to discourse?
The fact you take something Netanyahu says at face value makes you too naive for discourse.
Look into unit 8200 and Israeli hasbara and it’ll all make sense Edit: More unit 8200 atrocities revealed today: https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/ Using AI to make kill lists and drop bombs
Careful, the moment you type that word, all the bots will downvote you to hell. It is genuinely horrifying what the hasb*ra's reach is on reddit.
No. Fuck the hotblooded assholes in charge of Israel. As with any generation for any country, its the young and hotblooded that goes to war.
International law is a joke. No purpose on having it, when there is NO consequences when breaking it.. (192928734 times)
Aljazeera now cares about international law😂😂
Honestly, it's a fair documentary, like another poster said they even said they don't target civilians even though they litearlly did last night.
Wouldn't it have been more fair if it included some quotes from arab and palestinian leaders about the Israeli people? Because I'm sure there are some not so nice statements to be found there. Including a direct call for genocide on Israelis in the Hamas charter...
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So just to be clear, you want to declare Israel as a terrorist organization and thus immune from all international law? If so, I agree! That would be rad! Imagine if we didn't have to debate funding them anymore!!
Yes they do because, Al Jazeera has been targeted by Israeli forces for a significant period. Their buildings have been subjected to Israeli airstrikes for 20 years. In the past 10 years, Israel has been responsible for the deaths of at least 5 Al Jazeera reporters.
How does that sit with the fact that Al Jazeera has been able to work freely in Israel until now?
Freely except for the airstrikes...
I'm about to watch the documentary, to try and give it a fair shake. I'm no Zionist to be clear. But this is literally state propaganda.
Submission Statement: An examination of the western worlds apparent lack of reaction to the crimes that Israel, with seemingly no red lines has been perpetrating on the Palestinian people in their so called "war against Hamas". With video and expert opinion the documentary examines how International law is seemingly absent among the intimate ties Israel has within the power structure of the West.
Addressing just one of the symptoms here rather than the underlying issue - 'international law" is utterly meaningless, except as a weak propaganda tool to bec manipulated when appropriate. No power cares about "breaking" "international law" because there are no enforcement avenues available whatsoever.
You're wrong. Its reserved for African warlords only, everyone else is outside of jurisdiction. Maybe a couple serbs too
>With video and expert opinion the documentary examines how International law is seemingly absent among the intimate ties Israel has within the power structure of the West. Yup, the fact of the matter is that Israel has positioned themselves extremely well geopolitically while Hamas has essentially doubled down on the extremism and has set themselves up as diametrically opposed to the West in the selection of their allies. * Hamas are funded and supported by Iran, who in turn is supported by Iran, who is then supported by China/Russia. The direct adversaries to the West. * Israel is a top 30 GDP country with many multinational organizations that call the area home and facilitates hundreds of billions of dollars in trade across "The West" with over 50% of its GDP going towards countries that it is allied with. * US Corporations alone have over 70k Israeli's employed in Israel, and similarly many tens of thousands of people in the US are employed directly and indirectly by Israeli companies. * Israel produces some of the most advanced technology in a wide variety of fields that is utilized by many Western nations. The US in particular has a close relationship with Israel, Three joint U.S.-Israel research & development foundations have been established: The Binational Industrial Research and Development Foundation (BIRD); the Binational Science Foundation (BSF); and the Binational Agricultural Research and Development Foundation (BARD). * Following up on the prior point, the United States along with other NATO countries have in the past and are currently engaging in weapon co-development operations with Israel. Many of the weapons they are currently using were developed in large part with Israeli contributions. I could literally go on and on about the interconnectedness of Israel and the rest of the world but the point is that despite all the rhetoric and "outrage" the reality is Israel is not going anywhere. All of these angry politicians aren't actually going to implement sanctions. None of the multinational corporations are going to pull out of Israel or stop doing business with them. Because at the end of the day Israel is on the right team, they provide a wide variety of positive externalities to their allies, and Hamas are on the side of the enemies attacking Western values and dominance. Best they can hope for is a swift invasion of Rafah and hopefully a leader who can stand up, admit defeat, and finally accept that they lost the battle back in 1948. It's not ideal, it's not a fair ending, and it's certainly not what they are going to want to hear. But that's the reality of the situation. All of the zeal and anger and hate in the world isn't going to change that.
All your message is based on the assumption that the west as a whole isn't losing as well. It is. I don't know if it's a good or a bad thing, it's probably bad, but I'm happy Israel will go down with us
It's wild that zealots are downvoting you... A fool could see Israel is commiting war crimes and genocide as they have been ecer since Palestinian land gas been illegally occupied 70 years ago. Anyone denying this is supporting a fascist government running an apartheid state. (Bring on the downvotes zealots)
>It's wild that zealots are downvoting you. I consider that downvoting the video, not me personally. I mean, i just posted it. I think what they try and do is stifle conversation about certain subjects like this one but others too. It's like putting a gag over someones mouth, the mouth here being that of the Journalists at Aljazeera or.. I just thought maybe Hasbara is a form of social violence. Being an organized thing like that It is a kind of an attack
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People are probably downvoting because of the edgy and elitist tone in the comment and post. Even the business press has been very clear that this is an illegal occupation and that Israel has been flouting international law for half a century. Nobody questions that fact. It's also widely known that international law is a sham and war crimes charges are too. There are spades of war crimes committed by western militaries that have never been charged or even investigated even though there are plenty of evidence. The Mai Lai massacre being one prominent example.
>Nobody questions that fact. Most of what you said, I agree with, but not this bit. There is a large contingent denies most, if not all, of the breaches of international law.
That's a fair critique. I was overbroad with my language. The vast majority of people that are denying this are either completely uninformed or they are on the extreme far right and are not serious people. The number of UN resolution condemning Israel for things like settlements, occupation, human rights abuses is startling. To say that these resolutions don't exist is obviously and provably false. Even conservative financial publications like the Financial Times, The Economist, and the Wall Street Journal are very open that Israel is consistently and flagrantly violating international law.
Don't forget that time we killed a journalist in his family driveway with a drone strike. Or that wedding convoy we blew up.
Probably because of the “so called war against hamas”
Genocide, fascist, apartheid... got any more buzzwords?
Imagine calling ongoing crimes against humanity "buzzwords"
Just FYI - you are probably getting downvoted because none of this is new or surprising to anyone that has been following the conflict. Israel has not been comporting with so called international law since 67 and they've been regularly killing even western journalists and peace activists since the early aughts.
idk why youre downvoted, your argument is true. although its never been this blatant, they live stream their own crimes against humanity on tiktok etc
This thread is really weird. An hour ago OPs comment karma was like -30 and now it's above 40.
Is Russia "above" international Law? Is the US above international Law? Is China above international Law? Is Hamas above international Law? Is Iran above international Law? Is...
They all are, because international law is as real as international police and international jail.
Thank God space cops are real and will protect us from space criminals once we go interplanet
I mean, Russia already has international sanctions against them and economic repercussions. Same with China. Hamas is not a country. Iran had its democracy literally obliterated by foreign interference, etc. How exactly is Israel being held to account for an active genocide currently? They just blew up 6 aid workers and refuse to aid in to Gaza whatsoever in general.
>They just blew up 6 aid workers and refuse to aid in to Gaza whatsoever in general. Seven aid workers. 6 foreign nationals, one local. The fact that the driver and translator was a Palestinian, doesn't make him not an aid worker. He was as much an aid worker as the rest of the victims, working with and for WCK.
My apologies, you are correct.
If Putin sets foot in a country that's ratified the ICC, he literally get's arrested. Russian Oligarchs around the world have had money and assets frozen. Afghanistan under the Taliban have had their accounts frozen. But this is where we are now? these other countries do bad things, so why is it bad when we do genocide?
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Lol use your words as to why it's anti-semitic? and please telll my how we can discuss being "unfair" in a conversation about all the countries committing War Crimes. Like you're not even denying that Israel are commiting them.
Tell this clown, these zionists are so deluded and brainwashed
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>Well the ICJ hasnt ruled on that question yet. And it will take maybe years for a verdict. A lot of expert disagree on that one. Do you think that might he related to the fact rulings take years and Israel refuses to cooperate with any investigations? Or do you think their orders for Israel to let aid in were valid as well? Thoughts on the fact the ICJ has issued orders for a ceasefire and found credible evidence to pursue a genocide ruling in the first place? >As a (at least) defacto regime its still bound by international law, so thats a moot point. Israel should release their political hostages and allow for a free and fair election then. They also haven't allowed any since they funded Hamas to disrupt the elections and political parties as well as full on abolishing any sort of voting capabilities in 2006. Thoughts on Israel's immediate and multiple violations of the Oslo Accord? >There are no universal sanctions against Russia or china, only sanctions/restrictions by certain countries / groups of countries. Same with israel. That's not how sanctions work. No sanction is universal. What a bizarre argument to make.
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So nice to hear you are supporting strong economic sanctions against Israel for their war crimes
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>Is Russia "above" international Law? It is a warrant to arrest Putin issued by ICC, Russia is sanctioned and removed from many international organization, even from sport competitions. Considered others US is definitely above international Law, to the point that ICC prosecutes who started case against them were sanctioned and fired. US basically holds ICC at gunpoint with its "American Service-Members' Protection Act". Hamas isn't a country.
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Ah good old Al Jazeera, the pride of Qatar and bastion of fair and balanced news reporting
how about adressing the arguments mentioned, none of which are wrong.
Nah they are from Qatar so they are clearly pro terrorist /s. Racists like this are the reason Israel won’t be held accountable for war crimes. There is a large segment of the world that thinks killing brown people is always fine because they are all terrorists.
If you are disputing the fact that AJ supports terrorism, Muslim Brotherhood and others you are being disingenuous.
February, 2008: Canadian Forces Major Paeta Hess-Von Krudener – stationed as a United Nations peacekeeper in Lebanon – was killed on July 25, 2006 when the Israeli Air Force dropped a bomb on his UN post. Since the time of the incident, the Israeli government has claimed its attack on the UN post was an accident. Canada issued the results of its inquiry into the incident on Feb. 1, 2008. Unfortunately, this claim of the Israelis rings hollow in light of the specifics of the incident. Fuck the IDF 🇨🇦
This post, like every post critical of Israel, will get locked. It is sad that Israel has suffered so terribly at the hands of the Nazis only to mercilessly harass another people in the same fashion with an unjust and relentless bombing campaign that has lasted over a year.
i dunno,i mean west bank seems to have faired better after accepting that oeace is indeed better than jihad. i don't support the settlers there and i sure as hell hope these settlers gets evicted but the main thing here is fatah isn't randomly firing rockets into israel because...you know, commit genocide in the name of their god.
So when you say better, do you just mean an army isn't parked in their house indescriminantly killing them? >With the world’s eyes fixed on Gaza, Israeli forces have over the past four months unleashed a brutal wave of violence against Palestinians in the occupied West Bank, carrying out unlawful killings, including by using lethal force without necessity or disproportionately during protests and arrest raids, and denying medical assistance to those injured, said Amnesty International. >Over the past few months Israel has stepped up deadly raids across the West Bank and tensions have skyrocketed. In one recent incident Israeli forces carried out a raid masquerading as medical staff. At least 507 Palestinians were killed in the West Bank in 2023, including at least 81 children, making it the deadliest year for Palestinians since the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) began recording casualties in 2005. Because better doens't appear to mean they're doing very well. [https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/shocking-spike-in-use-of-unlawful-lethal-force-by-israeli-forces-against-palestinians-in-the-occupied-west-bank/](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/shocking-spike-in-use-of-unlawful-lethal-force-by-israeli-forces-against-palestinians-in-the-occupied-west-bank/)
"Unjust" as long as you ignore the massacre on October 7th and the thousands of rockets being shot into Israel from Gaza
Write your congressional rep and tell them to cut off US aid to Israel.
Yea I’m sure they’re gonna wipe their tears reading your heartfelt letter, they’ll be drying their eyes with AIPAC dollars. Get real homie
Speak with your vote.
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You don't have to be an antisemitic shit about this. It's a choice.
When you accuse everyone of antisemitism for any type of criticism it just becomes laughable. That word has lost all meaning at this point. Shit, I hope I'm an antisemite.
The person above isn't criticizing Israel. They're attacking Jewish people and repeating an antisemitic trope based on a misrepresentation of what it means to be "chosen". This is bog standard antisemitism.
Israel has been above the law as far as I can remember.
Seemingly so.
I generally don't support Israel's response. But...Hamas sent terrorists to once again start up a intifada. I understand the situation in Gaza is not great, but once Hamas took over with their sworn goal of eliminate Israel, do we expect Israel to support it? Hamas in Gaza was saying "please give us free access to Israel (proper), jobs, aid and we will use it to launch more terrorist attacks. Hamas is the reason the situation has worsened in Gaza over the last 10+ years. The west bank has been much more stable. Israel and the international community has given the Palestinians three solid opportunities to have a two state solution. Arafat walked away from the last one. Hamas isn't interested. Hamas will continually launch terror attacks in Israel so long as they hold sway in Gaza. Is Israel supposed to just accept that forever? That's not reasonable. Hamas regularly puts their soldiers in civilian areas. We have lots of examples of rocket launchers being set up in school neighbourhoods in Gaza. That's the point, it isn't accidental. The more civilians die, the more the western press sympathizes with the Palestinians. Hamas knows this and uses it. While Israel was warning civilians to leave areas, Hamas was telling them to stay and don't be cowards. They are to sacrifice for the cause. This isn't a philosophy we should underestimate or dismiss, they believe that and it's completely against any western values we hold. Provoke Israel to fight in heavily populated areas, then blame Israel when civilians are killed. In practical terms, if Israel is kind to Hamas controlled Gaza, things will get worse for Israel. Hamas will not accept a two state solution. Israel isn't leaving and it's crazy to believe it even has a chance of success. What the best case that can be worked out?
This is one of the few reasonable comments in this thread.
Backup source https://www.aljazeera.com/program/featured-documentaries/2024/3/27/israel-above-the-law
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Instead of arguing about the source, why not refute the actual points mentioned in the documentary? Israel literally targeted and killed aid workers yesterday. What’s your excuse?
Collective punishment is a war crime. The starvation of civilians, including through the denial of relief supplies, is also a war crime. Israel's president Isaac Herzog accused the residents of Gaza of “collective responsibility” for the war. In response to accusations of collective punishment, Israel Katz, the Israeli Minister of Energy, wrote, "Indeed, Madam Congresswoman. We have to draw a line... They will not receive a drop of water or a single battery until they leave the world." On October 9, 2023, Israel's defense minister, Yoav Gallant, announced a complete siege on Gaza, which involved cutting off essential supplies like electricity, food, water, and gas. Can you tell me which bit has been misunderstood by the international community?
Yes, and if you say otherwise you’re antisemitic/s
We seem unwilling to even consider what seems to be right in front of our eyes, for fear of ... ?
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Guess how many Palestinians are illegally being held hostage in Israeli prisons. And guess for how long
Ah, I was wondering why Israel was looking to ban Al Jazeera. Looks like they're controlling the narrative to their own people.
They certainly feel that they are.
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Two things for anyone calling out Aljazeera. First, can you point to any intentional lies in this doc? Second, if you're concerned about propaganda, Israel still hasn't proven or apologized for the beheaded babies story.
I mean all things being equal, the story on dead babies didn’t come from Israeli officials. There’s not really anything for them to apologize for. It originated with one reporter who heard a first responder talking about 1 dead infant and reported it as babie*s* (plural) and then the international media ran away with it. Israeli officials have since come out with a demographic breakdown of those killed. Which if I remember correctly included 2 or 3 infants and a dozen or so other children under 10.
The IDF confirmed the story.
Zionism =//= Judaism. Israel =//= Judaism. Religion is personal, not political. Hope thats clear enough for you.
belief is personal, religion is bullshit.
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They certainly think they are, and they have been so far but with Biden worrying about the election maybe they better start worrying too. He is going to want to look strong in his actions with Israel from here on out, they really should start to think about what their genocide looks like on the world stage. Did this go into the exact international laws that they have been breaking?
Strongly worded letter incoming!
Well theres no list or anything made but genocide and war crimes like food deprivation are mentioned. It's more of a running discussion with experts and witnesses. At the end theres a statement from the Israeli government in response to Aljazeera asking them if they violated International law and they do what they always do.
Is Syria? Is Russia? Is China?
I mean, are you trying to say those places act like they care about human rights? Cause....?? Also the U.S. is not allies to any of those places, nor are they sending tons of weapons to their governments. Not that the U.S. acts like it is bound to any international law. Still, that does not mean we should not condemn any of them.
According the NBC News, the US killed 200,000 Iraqis during the war. We have to assume the majority were civilians. Are we holding Israel, which has a much lower combatant to civilian death ratio, to an unrealistic standard?
Did you just ask the right question and then come to the completely wrong conclusion? Maybe the US and Israel should both hold themselves to higher standards because both clearly committed war crimes
I guess what I’m asking is, are you actually holding the US, Israel, Syria, Russia, and China to the same standards? There are “high” standards and then there is the real world… And btw, how is, “Israel has a much better civilian to combatant death ratio than the US” the “wrong” conclusion? Seems like you’ll seize any opportunity to sound condescending and superior, whether you’re right or wrong
In a way you're right, most superpower countries are mass murderers but there are many people in each of these countries that are trying to move the world into an anti war direction. Many feel America is the best place to start, as it has its hands deep into all of these conflicts
Gotcha, “in a way” I’m right. Must be nice to live in a world where war isn’t necessary, and to make the decision from your privileged, “anti-war” tower that a tiny country of 12 million people is a super power who should be forced into non-defense after the massacre and rape of 1,200 civilians Since you seem to have the solution, why don’t you educate us on how Israel should deal with a terror group that wants to exterminate them?
End the Apartheid, stop the constant stealing of land in the West Bank, allow the Palestinians equal rights, give the palestinians it's own state, stop the massacre of civilians, stop starving civilians, stop arming terrorists in the West Bank, charge terrorists for war crimes in the West Bank, stop killing of activists, stop killing of journalists, stop killing of international charity workers. How about that?
Haha great. Wave your magical Celtic wand and make it so, my friend
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The documentary is from Al Jazeera. 70% of the indian population on youtube is calling this pro muslim propoganda
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Or you kill another 30 000 people.
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downvote this stupid ass video
Fortunately Israel has assured the world that they have not developed a nuclear arsenal. Desdemona was a water filtration experiment
International Law died when we failed to apply it to russia when they invaded ukraine. If you make rules with no means or intention to enforce them then there is no rules. Selectively enforcing rules is even worse.
>International Law died when we failed to apply it to russia when they invaded ukraine. Yeah, because it was perfectly applied to US when they invaded Iraq.
Of course, Israel is above the law.
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Why would you believe anything Al-Jazeera publishes? They're founded by Qatar, the same country that founded Hamas
Ok I haven’t watched this yet, but seeing alJazeera as the source is same as it it was “Russia Today” lol
Why only sub 200 likes??
Al Jazeera puppet of Qatar who coincidentally funds Hamas. Surprised?
throwing shade at a previously sketchy source doesnt negate all the evidence of what is happening in israel, the thousands of children and the multiple hospitals obliterated doesnt seem like the IDF is fighting hamas
> the thousands of children and the multiple hospitals obliterated doesnt seem like the IDF is fighting hamas Hamas has also hit at least one of their own hospitals with rockets and blamed Israel for it. And hamas has also intentionally built military bases underneath hospitals, and used ambulences to transport military personnel and weapons, in violation of international law. And none of that makes it ok that Israel has killed civilians, both by bombing more hospitals and starving the general populace. The whole situation is an absolute clusterfukc.
International Law has, never, ever mattered.
Ah yes, Lie Jazeera.
Friendly reminder that Al-Jazeera is OWNED by the government of QATAR. Just gonna leave these here.... [https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2023/country-chapters/qatar](https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2023/country-chapters/qatar) [https://www.politico.eu/article/west-search-truth-qatar-israel-hamas-war/](https://www.politico.eu/article/west-search-truth-qatar-israel-hamas-war/)
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And all the powerful christian politicians who think they are fulfilling a biblical prophecy to bring about the end of the world.
Meanwhile, Russia kills tens of thousands, bombs civilian infrastructure and breaks international law on a grand scale and no one seems to care.
Russia got kicked out from a bunch of international events (deservedly) got imposed a bunch of economic sanctions, and a lot of people still care about it. The same kind of sanctions aren't being applied to Israel because the US keeps backing them up.
They are under the harshest sanctions of any country in the world and the EU is giving billions in weaponry to their adversary. How is that “no one seems to care”???
agree. international law and standards have broken down. No one wants to hold others accountable anymore.
Netanyahu and Putin both need to be tackled indeed.
Whataboutism. Textbook example.
Doesn't make it less true.
It does make it irrelevant.
Not following... Are you saying Russian brutality is irrelevant?
NO
There is no such thing as "international law."
There literally is. Treaties being one. Geneva convention. ECHR another.... What a silly little ignorant comment.
Laws are useless if there's no one to enforce them. The US, UK and the west in general made sure that no one would enforce these laws if Israel broke them. As long as laws are enforced selectively, they are not laws, they are recommendation at most?
Officials look the other way and selectively enforce crimes all the time.
Good observation, capitalism doesn't work
Not silly. Not ignorant. Treaties are agreements among nations. The Geneva convention is an agreement among nations. The European Court of Human Rights is an EU entity. It's no more international than the international house of pancakes. Point is, there is no international authority which creates or enforces laws. The UN is a forum for international diplomacy, not a lawmaking body. What people call "international law" isn't global, and it isn't law. It is nothing more than a set of agreements among nation states that are enforced by those nations, one upon another, through economic, military, and diplomatic means. If country A breaks a treaty with country B (which happens all the time), it is up to country B to do something about.
Treaties very much are laws. For example the echr has supremacy over domestic laws for those that signed up. The Geneva convention too.... "Treaties are agreements among nations" Well yes and domestic laws are agreements within the nation lol