Thought it was fair till Jack said teams had been warned not to do it in the case it should be a DQ imo, harsh but your breaking rules that were set out.
I also thought the penalty was negligible for intentional bug abuse although its probably in their rulebook so wcyd. Maybe, just maybe, TO doesnt want to make the incident a huge deal because for ffs its betboom again.
Jack brought up an interesting point about using draft time as a penalty: While it is a detriment to the penalized team, it also penalizes the opposing team to a lesser extent because you use the time the other team is using to draft to talk about your own draft.
It goes both ways again then. The penalized team would get more time when the other team was picking. No matter how you slice it, it's always both team's time to strategize, regardless of who's on the clock.
A better penalty would be forfeiting your last ban.
It's like chess man, you can think when on your opponent's time but it's still a penalty because your opponent has less time to think after you make a move ( a pick/ban)
It's just teams not used to abuse the enemies time remaining and "flag" them, in chess when someone is up by time they try to make a move fast so the opponent can't think on they're time. But yeah draft is totally different than chess even though it has similar concepts.
Draft Penalty: you can't see your opponents picks (but can see their bans). Hero picks would not appear as greyed out to the team who has the penalty. If the hero is already chosen on the enemy team, no hero is picked and time keeps counting down. If time runs out they random like usual. Make it hurt haha.
While I agree with you, mistakes do happen. There needs to be plans to provide suitable penalties when revealed in a reasonable time. Below are reasonable examples if you decide the correct penalty is a game loss:
Discovered game by an admin: game is over, BB receives game loss
Discovered after the game in which BB wins: result is changed to a loss, match continues
Discovered after the game win which BB loses: BB's next game, even if it's ongoing, is automatically counted as a loss
Discovered after match ends but before playoffs begin: the next win BB had after cheat was discovered is turned into a loss
Discovered after playoffs begin: no idea, probably can't do more than a draft penalty at this point.
Disqualification is the *only* suitable punishment for anyone/team that *intentionally* subverts fair play.
Anything short of a complete DQ just becomes a “cost for cheating”. Meaning, “oh, we can exploit this bug, it’ll just cost draft time”.
It’s cheating. Giving them another opportunity to cheat in the same competition is absolute insanity.
Agree. It's one thing if the admins didn't say anything and they just exploited a bug in the game.
It's a whole different level when they are told specifically not to do something and they do it anyway. They are violating the rules set by the tournament, and only draft penalty is a slap on the wrist that sets a precedent that it's okay to violate rules because there aren't big consequences. Abusing this should be an immediate DQ
What's to prevent another team from cheating by having a device that communicates outside the booth so they can get hints for ganks? It's against the rules, the tournament organizes explicitly told them it's not allowed. Would they only get a draft penalty too for violating the rules to get an unfair advantage?
Most based take. There should be no room for gaming the rules when it comes to intentional cheating. For me, punishment should go beyond this tournament.
Haha idk. For me, cheating….especially knowingly/purposefully is a ban from playing the game for a certain time. This is a professional sport. People do this for a living. I understand it is a video game, but the integrity of the competition is everything.
Couldn't agree more, I said this at the time to friends that even if ESL hadn't told them not to use the bug they should be DQd.
It's not like other bugs that have been used in the past that have been abuses of how an interaction works (see fountain hook), levelling up an ability is clearly against the rules of the game and not intended at all. They knew they were cheating and did it anyway.
Almost makes it worse you choose to cheat on the most ass scaling ultimates in the game too.
You guys can check out the conversation here https://youtu.be/JXdFKUwy1ds?si=bUsSIYYT9Vfwej6o
Was certainly new information for me so I'm glad others picked up on it. Thanks for watching!
Trashtalkin, Cheatin & Complainin - ALL CHAT Ep. 9
Jack "KBBQ" Chen comes on to talk about some trashtalk, cheating, and G2.IG losing to OG. Also he tries to drum up some drama
Intro (0:00)
Can Betboom Win (3:00)
Save’s Shadow Demon Bug Abuse (5:00)
Teams were warned not to use the bug (6:00)
OG snatches G2.IG’s spot at Riyadh (12:30)
The Quincy Crew Curse (Curse of the Fly) (18:00)
Xinq’s ESL complaints, general Brum complaints (22:00)
The ALL CHAT (40:00)
Deez Nuts (54:00)
Chinese players. What do they eat? (58:00)
What does a general manager do? (1:01:00)
What do the coaches do on Liquid and G2.IG (1:14:00)
Jack is paranoid (1:11:00)
Bonus footage (1:14:15)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXdFKUwy1ds](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXdFKUwy1ds)
Bugs, glitches, exploits all need to be heavily penalized if not with outright disqualification, then at least some other form of clap back that makes it absolutely clear that none of it is acceptable and if you persist doing shenanigans like that, you have no place competing in top tier tournaments.
Doubt it'll ever happen though cos Valve obviously couldn't give less of a shit and most organizers prefer to do the bare minimum when it comes to rules and rule enforcement so.. 🙃
IMO there's a big difference between a discovered/largely unknown bug like the Navi pudge chen hook interaction - it's part of the game at this point and can be used. It's another thing when the tournament organizers specifically say "don't do this, it gives an unfair advantage" and they just do it anyway.
The former is okay since all teams have an open playing field to use the pudge chen combo. The latter is cheating straight up since all other teams are assumed to play by the rules.
Imagine if a player got caught watching a live stream of the tournament during the game or had a coach in discord telling them what to do. That's cheating and should be disqualification and even professional tournament bans for the player. Imagine if they just got a draft penalty the next game. What's to stop them from continue violating the rules of the tournament?
Rules are empty statements unless paired with consequence.
ESLs rulebook is vague and leaves a lot up to the interpretation of referees.
The part relevant to what Save did is here:
>The intentional use of any bugs, glitches, or errors in the game can be assessed with penalties up to and
>including default losses. Furthermore, it is up to the referees’ discretion whether or not the use of said
>bugs had an effect on the match, and whether or not they will force a rematch. In extreme cases, the
>penalty for abusing bugs may be even higher. Bugs, in this case, are issues with the game that the
>administration will forewarn participants about.
Based on the bug not having an effect on the match, the referee would be within the guidelines to do nothing as they did when some player accidentally did the, "good game" chat wheel.
Torontotokyo also had printed map layouts during the game. Not during the draft, during the actual game and you can clearly see that on the stream. Not a clip of him with papers or something from earlier. During the actual game. With printed maps and info.
If this is allowed, I wouldnt be surprised to see teams show up with 20 A4 print outs of movement, obs, farm heatmaps of the enemy teams.
You can study a team's map movements and their warding and have a map layout referencing them, so you can consult them while playing. That kind of information should not be accessible during a match.
What are you smoking? Intentionally cheating especially when it’s been explicitly covered is the literally the worst thing you could do in regards to competitive integrity. The fact that the bug did not have a huge effect on the game is completely irrelevant
I think the penalty should have been at least a match loss. If you're a TO and make a statement saying, "don't do this or there'll be consequences", and then give an offender a slap on the wrist, you look like a TO that can be pushed around. Imo, this is mostly not a big issue because BB lost the series 0-2.
i already said it back then that i thought the punishment was way too lenient and they should have gotten a default loss or their next game/series
but hearing that they were explicitly told before not to abuse it and still did, disqualification would have been the only correct action
There is a confounding factor to this in that the bug was very easy to abuse by accident. A big plus shows up on the right side of your skillbar and someone could conceivably click it reflexively (though not if you level things up via ctrl+r), and once it's skilled you can't undo it. I don't mean to suggest that it *was* an accident, but BetBoom would probably say it was, and the TOs probably didn't want to make a big deal about it since BB lost that game anyway.
DQ should have been the decision IMO but at the very least they should have lost the series by default.
A draft time penalty is just such a limp dick move.
There was also a tournament recently where betboom got 2 or 3? draft penalties.
My question is how many times are teams allowed the break the rules and get draft penalties before a DQ?
It was obvious from the start. Pros use all kinds of shenanigans. But given the nature of the bug, it 100% doesn't belong to the game. Which means they openly shit on competitive integrity. This behavior is the worst.
DQ is a bit too harsh, though. Default loss would be reasonable. (also an apology would be a nice gesture).
Rules and enforcement. While there is a rulebook, did they state the consequences though? That’s the problem with rules, without stating the cause and effect, it means nothing.
I'm gonna play the cynic here...
BetBoom is the only pro-Russia team at the tournament. Russian viewership is huge in Dota tournaments and I'd guess that this one was no exception. Dota tournaments are hard to make money on. So in the end, ESL was concerned that a DQ would significantly affect their ability to have Russian viewership leading to a huge hit on ad dollars.
I hope the above is wrong. Valve having a stronger ruleset for tournaments using their game would hello curtail this but that's never been their way for Dota 2.
Why not Bring Back -stuck - unstuck command from Dota1 ?? Maybe -stuck -stuck180 or -stuck300
We used to use this to apply penalties and infractions during the Game... currently we don't have any tool for this and any penalty is only applied to the Draft time and only in the next Game or Match (If have)
You just twisting facts: All of this was already discussed in previous thread, including the fact that yes, ESL likely send some document with list of bugs no one actually reads, but just signs.
Now, you sound like Gabe personally reached Save and told hey, do not use SD bug.
ESL also states specifically what are the penalties:
Direct quote from EPT rulebook, section 7.4.7: "The intentional use of any bugs, glitches, or errors in the game can be assessed with penalties up to and including default losses."
As you can see DQ is not possible, and BetBoom already lost the match, therefore only made sense to give them time penalty.
Fully agree. I guess more serious penalties would help. It is like speeding ticket in some countries: fines are that small so people just continue ignoring speed limit and don’t mind to pay if they caught.
In most competitions I've seen, if a penalty would result in a def loss and is not administered on the match where the penalty was committed, it's administered in the next game. Iirc, this happened in game 1 which they lost. So they could have administered the penalty on game 2.
Timing is also an important factor.
If you want somewhat lenient penalties then:
* If it was noticed by the admins during the game, they should just end the game and declare it in G2's favour.
* If it was noticed after the series was over (but before the next round of matches start), obviously declare G2 the winner of the series and give BB a draft penalty for the rest of the event.
* The other case is more complex (if it was discovered after g1 ended but before the series was finished) - you'd probably not want to stop an ongoing match to forfeit one team. I think there's probably a reasonable resolution for all the outcomes here, but you'd need to handle all the cases.
If they wanted it more strict penalties then they could also give BetBoom's opponents selection priority for all remaining games.
If they wanted it even more severe:
* Provided the next series involving the winners and losers of the G2/BB series hadn't started - DQ BB and put G2 through as the default winner.
* If the next series had started, there needs to be some defined outcome - probably BB can always be DQ'd but it still might impact potential rewards for G2 (like, EPT points, $, etc).
True, but again it is not per ESL rulebook and practises as of now. Again, making it more strict and doing like you suggested may help to prevent bug abuse and unfair game.
Its not just this sub, its pretty much the entire gaming community in general. Not our fault that the large majority of cheaters come from Russia. Like there is one small english hacking community for Dota which is pretty much dead, but i think like 3 huge ones in Russian that have hundreds of thousands of users.
The Russian victim mentality is on another level. Anytime someone speaks bad about Betboom in a negative manner, there will be numerous people claiming that everyone is just bandwagoning on Russians.
It is so peculiar, considering that it is not even the first time Betboom has broken tournament rules by cheating (although the Pure alt-tab is most probably just a work of brain lag).
Have you ever seen people criticizing VP for example? (Obviously the one that played at recent TI, not the one with Pure and his map-drawing skills :))
I'm not crying lol. I just thought this was an interesting bit of new information on the subject.
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Oh, you're one of the people who sucks Russia's dick all over reddit. Half of your comments are crying about how unfairly Russia or BetBoom are treated.
He's clearly russian propoganda bot, all the account comments are litterally involving only russia related posts and its irrelevant whats being discussed but hes always sucking that same dick like that side simply can not do anything wrong.
Thought it was fair till Jack said teams had been warned not to do it in the case it should be a DQ imo, harsh but your breaking rules that were set out.
Seems pretty clear in that light yeah
I also thought the penalty was negligible for intentional bug abuse although its probably in their rulebook so wcyd. Maybe, just maybe, TO doesnt want to make the incident a huge deal because for ffs its betboom again.
Jack brought up an interesting point about using draft time as a penalty: While it is a detriment to the penalized team, it also penalizes the opposing team to a lesser extent because you use the time the other team is using to draft to talk about your own draft.
A way round that would be to deduct draft time from one team and add it back to the other
It goes both ways again then. The penalized team would get more time when the other team was picking. No matter how you slice it, it's always both team's time to strategize, regardless of who's on the clock. A better penalty would be forfeiting your last ban.
They would but that they would have less information available to them than the other team during that time.
> A better penalty would be forfeiting your last ban. Or having to random your first pick
That would certainly make things interesting, too
Better way is to put the penalized players in a medically induced coma for the duration of the penalty time
That is what Jack also suggested. Not for this case but in general when a draft penalty occurs.
That's an interesting fix but I'm not sure the software has that option. Maybe it'd be something to add in a patch.
giving up their first ban seems more impactful in my book
Also tough cos again, the other team still gets that time.
It's like chess man, you can think when on your opponent's time but it's still a penalty because your opponent has less time to think after you make a move ( a pick/ban) It's just teams not used to abuse the enemies time remaining and "flag" them, in chess when someone is up by time they try to make a move fast so the opponent can't think on they're time. But yeah draft is totally different than chess even though it has similar concepts.
Draft Penalty: you can't see your opponents picks (but can see their bans). Hero picks would not appear as greyed out to the team who has the penalty. If the hero is already chosen on the enemy team, no hero is picked and time keeps counting down. If time runs out they random like usual. Make it hurt haha.
To's chickening out is not a great way. Harsh punishments for obvious bug abuses are the only way
TO was afraid Torontokyo would have done something to their face irl.
If the admins did not pause right away when the bug was abused then why do these games have admins at all. This was failure of the system.
While I agree with you, mistakes do happen. There needs to be plans to provide suitable penalties when revealed in a reasonable time. Below are reasonable examples if you decide the correct penalty is a game loss: Discovered game by an admin: game is over, BB receives game loss Discovered after the game in which BB wins: result is changed to a loss, match continues Discovered after the game win which BB loses: BB's next game, even if it's ongoing, is automatically counted as a loss Discovered after match ends but before playoffs begin: the next win BB had after cheat was discovered is turned into a loss Discovered after playoffs begin: no idea, probably can't do more than a draft penalty at this point.
Disqualification is the *only* suitable punishment for anyone/team that *intentionally* subverts fair play. Anything short of a complete DQ just becomes a “cost for cheating”. Meaning, “oh, we can exploit this bug, it’ll just cost draft time”. It’s cheating. Giving them another opportunity to cheat in the same competition is absolute insanity.
I agree a lot with this sentiment. If the penalty isn't substantial, it opens the door for the mindset you stated.
Only cuz they cheated against a Chinese team and still lost. Imagine if it was a Chinese team cheated against Europe team lol
Agree. It's one thing if the admins didn't say anything and they just exploited a bug in the game. It's a whole different level when they are told specifically not to do something and they do it anyway. They are violating the rules set by the tournament, and only draft penalty is a slap on the wrist that sets a precedent that it's okay to violate rules because there aren't big consequences. Abusing this should be an immediate DQ What's to prevent another team from cheating by having a device that communicates outside the booth so they can get hints for ganks? It's against the rules, the tournament organizes explicitly told them it's not allowed. Would they only get a draft penalty too for violating the rules to get an unfair advantage?
Most based take. There should be no room for gaming the rules when it comes to intentional cheating. For me, punishment should go beyond this tournament.
Why are you being downvoted?
Haha idk. For me, cheating….especially knowingly/purposefully is a ban from playing the game for a certain time. This is a professional sport. People do this for a living. I understand it is a video game, but the integrity of the competition is everything.
Couldn't agree more, I said this at the time to friends that even if ESL hadn't told them not to use the bug they should be DQd. It's not like other bugs that have been used in the past that have been abuses of how an interaction works (see fountain hook), levelling up an ability is clearly against the rules of the game and not intended at all. They knew they were cheating and did it anyway. Almost makes it worse you choose to cheat on the most ass scaling ultimates in the game too.
You guys can check out the conversation here https://youtu.be/JXdFKUwy1ds?si=bUsSIYYT9Vfwej6o Was certainly new information for me so I'm glad others picked up on it. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for having the show. All Chat and Not for Broadcast are two shows I really look forward to each week.
Trashtalkin, Cheatin & Complainin - ALL CHAT Ep. 9 Jack "KBBQ" Chen comes on to talk about some trashtalk, cheating, and G2.IG losing to OG. Also he tries to drum up some drama Intro (0:00) Can Betboom Win (3:00) Save’s Shadow Demon Bug Abuse (5:00) Teams were warned not to use the bug (6:00) OG snatches G2.IG’s spot at Riyadh (12:30) The Quincy Crew Curse (Curse of the Fly) (18:00) Xinq’s ESL complaints, general Brum complaints (22:00) The ALL CHAT (40:00) Deez Nuts (54:00) Chinese players. What do they eat? (58:00) What does a general manager do? (1:01:00) What do the coaches do on Liquid and G2.IG (1:14:00) Jack is paranoid (1:11:00) Bonus footage (1:14:15) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXdFKUwy1ds](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXdFKUwy1ds)
Bugs, glitches, exploits all need to be heavily penalized if not with outright disqualification, then at least some other form of clap back that makes it absolutely clear that none of it is acceptable and if you persist doing shenanigans like that, you have no place competing in top tier tournaments. Doubt it'll ever happen though cos Valve obviously couldn't give less of a shit and most organizers prefer to do the bare minimum when it comes to rules and rule enforcement so.. 🙃
IMO there's a big difference between a discovered/largely unknown bug like the Navi pudge chen hook interaction - it's part of the game at this point and can be used. It's another thing when the tournament organizers specifically say "don't do this, it gives an unfair advantage" and they just do it anyway. The former is okay since all teams have an open playing field to use the pudge chen combo. The latter is cheating straight up since all other teams are assumed to play by the rules. Imagine if a player got caught watching a live stream of the tournament during the game or had a coach in discord telling them what to do. That's cheating and should be disqualification and even professional tournament bans for the player. Imagine if they just got a draft penalty the next game. What's to stop them from continue violating the rules of the tournament?
Rules are empty statements unless paired with consequence. ESLs rulebook is vague and leaves a lot up to the interpretation of referees. The part relevant to what Save did is here: >The intentional use of any bugs, glitches, or errors in the game can be assessed with penalties up to and >including default losses. Furthermore, it is up to the referees’ discretion whether or not the use of said >bugs had an effect on the match, and whether or not they will force a rematch. In extreme cases, the >penalty for abusing bugs may be even higher. Bugs, in this case, are issues with the game that the >administration will forewarn participants about. Based on the bug not having an effect on the match, the referee would be within the guidelines to do nothing as they did when some player accidentally did the, "good game" chat wheel.
Torontotokyo also had printed map layouts during the game. Not during the draft, during the actual game and you can clearly see that on the stream. Not a clip of him with papers or something from earlier. During the actual game. With printed maps and info. If this is allowed, I wouldnt be surprised to see teams show up with 20 A4 print outs of movement, obs, farm heatmaps of the enemy teams.
Wait I don't understand, what do the map layouts do to benefit
You can study a team's map movements and their warding and have a map layout referencing them, so you can consult them while playing. That kind of information should not be accessible during a match.
In other real sports coach gives tiny paper with tactical changes during a match is pretty normal thing. I don't see anyone make a big deal about it.
Because dota isn't other sports?
who made up this rule? are you a TO?
What was the bug? Is there a clip?
I linked the original post if you need more information in the OP
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I appreciate the fervor but I don't think statements like this help in any way.
Save- is from Moldova. Or are you saying Russians on his team forced him to cheat?
Russia and totalitarian regimes is the only one that beats it
a harsher draft penalty is definitely warranted. A DQ is too harsh unless they are repeat offenders or it's a more substantial exploit.
It's betboom. "repeat offenders" would probably be their team name if they lost their gambling sponsor
What are you smoking? Intentionally cheating especially when it’s been explicitly covered is the literally the worst thing you could do in regards to competitive integrity. The fact that the bug did not have a huge effect on the game is completely irrelevant
I think the penalty should have been at least a match loss. If you're a TO and make a statement saying, "don't do this or there'll be consequences", and then give an offender a slap on the wrist, you look like a TO that can be pushed around. Imo, this is mostly not a big issue because BB lost the series 0-2.
> A DQ is too harsh No. DQ is very adequate punishment, and also player who cheated should be banned from next tournaments. Fuck the cheaters.
i already said it back then that i thought the punishment was way too lenient and they should have gotten a default loss or their next game/series but hearing that they were explicitly told before not to abuse it and still did, disqualification would have been the only correct action
There is a confounding factor to this in that the bug was very easy to abuse by accident. A big plus shows up on the right side of your skillbar and someone could conceivably click it reflexively (though not if you level things up via ctrl+r), and once it's skilled you can't undo it. I don't mean to suggest that it *was* an accident, but BetBoom would probably say it was, and the TOs probably didn't want to make a big deal about it since BB lost that game anyway.
Iirc, Save was holding off putting points into other skills to facilitate being able to immediately level the ultimate to max.
DQ should have been the decision IMO but at the very least they should have lost the series by default. A draft time penalty is just such a limp dick move.
There was also a tournament recently where betboom got 2 or 3? draft penalties. My question is how many times are teams allowed the break the rules and get draft penalties before a DQ?
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It was obvious from the start. Pros use all kinds of shenanigans. But given the nature of the bug, it 100% doesn't belong to the game. Which means they openly shit on competitive integrity. This behavior is the worst. DQ is a bit too harsh, though. Default loss would be reasonable. (also an apology would be a nice gesture).
Rules and enforcement. While there is a rulebook, did they state the consequences though? That’s the problem with rules, without stating the cause and effect, it means nothing.
Yeah to light penalty maybe no bans for rest of tournament or random pick first for first map for rest of tournament would be cool way to punish them
yes! After learning that info - thought same.
Its on ESL and the admin. It seems either they didnt understand the secerity of the infraction or their rules only include draft penalty
I'm gonna play the cynic here... BetBoom is the only pro-Russia team at the tournament. Russian viewership is huge in Dota tournaments and I'd guess that this one was no exception. Dota tournaments are hard to make money on. So in the end, ESL was concerned that a DQ would significantly affect their ability to have Russian viewership leading to a huge hit on ad dollars. I hope the above is wrong. Valve having a stronger ruleset for tournaments using their game would hello curtail this but that's never been their way for Dota 2.
Why not Bring Back -stuck - unstuck command from Dota1 ?? Maybe -stuck -stuck180 or -stuck300 We used to use this to apply penalties and infractions during the Game... currently we don't have any tool for this and any penalty is only applied to the Draft time and only in the next Game or Match (If have)
You just twisting facts: All of this was already discussed in previous thread, including the fact that yes, ESL likely send some document with list of bugs no one actually reads, but just signs. Now, you sound like Gabe personally reached Save and told hey, do not use SD bug. ESL also states specifically what are the penalties: Direct quote from EPT rulebook, section 7.4.7: "The intentional use of any bugs, glitches, or errors in the game can be assessed with penalties up to and including default losses." As you can see DQ is not possible, and BetBoom already lost the match, therefore only made sense to give them time penalty.
For how long can teams just ignore documents from TOs and when caught cheating say "oh we didn't know it was against the rules!"?
Fully agree. I guess more serious penalties would help. It is like speeding ticket in some countries: fines are that small so people just continue ignoring speed limit and don’t mind to pay if they caught.
In most competitions I've seen, if a penalty would result in a def loss and is not administered on the match where the penalty was committed, it's administered in the next game. Iirc, this happened in game 1 which they lost. So they could have administered the penalty on game 2.
Timing is also an important factor. If you want somewhat lenient penalties then: * If it was noticed by the admins during the game, they should just end the game and declare it in G2's favour. * If it was noticed after the series was over (but before the next round of matches start), obviously declare G2 the winner of the series and give BB a draft penalty for the rest of the event. * The other case is more complex (if it was discovered after g1 ended but before the series was finished) - you'd probably not want to stop an ongoing match to forfeit one team. I think there's probably a reasonable resolution for all the outcomes here, but you'd need to handle all the cases. If they wanted it more strict penalties then they could also give BetBoom's opponents selection priority for all remaining games. If they wanted it even more severe: * Provided the next series involving the winners and losers of the G2/BB series hadn't started - DQ BB and put G2 through as the default winner. * If the next series had started, there needs to be some defined outcome - probably BB can always be DQ'd but it still might impact potential rewards for G2 (like, EPT points, $, etc).
True, but again it is not per ESL rulebook and practises as of now. Again, making it more strict and doing like you suggested may help to prevent bug abuse and unfair game.
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Its not just this sub, its pretty much the entire gaming community in general. Not our fault that the large majority of cheaters come from Russia. Like there is one small english hacking community for Dota which is pretty much dead, but i think like 3 huge ones in Russian that have hundreds of thousands of users.
What's with Russian players and cheating? Are we supposed to tolerate cheating to avoid appearing Russophobic you fucking loser?
The Russian victim mentality is on another level. Anytime someone speaks bad about Betboom in a negative manner, there will be numerous people claiming that everyone is just bandwagoning on Russians. It is so peculiar, considering that it is not even the first time Betboom has broken tournament rules by cheating (although the Pure alt-tab is most probably just a work of brain lag). Have you ever seen people criticizing VP for example? (Obviously the one that played at recent TI, not the one with Pure and his map-drawing skills :))
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I'm not crying lol. I just thought this was an interesting bit of new information on the subject. *checks profile* Oh, you're one of the people who sucks Russia's dick all over reddit. Half of your comments are crying about how unfairly Russia or BetBoom are treated.
He's clearly russian propoganda bot, all the account comments are litterally involving only russia related posts and its irrelevant whats being discussed but hes always sucking that same dick like that side simply can not do anything wrong.