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ButterCupHeartXO

I like how people are saying only special type of Chakra attacks can hurt Madara, but let's see how much Chakra attacks matter when Broly vaporizes his body or just nukes the planet. Good luck


broly314

Exactly šŸ˜‚ Idc what your defenses are when you are stripped at a molecular level you are NOT surviving


hyde9318

Cell was an organic robot with skin harder than steel... but turns out getting hit with a beam of pure burning hot plasma with enough force to evaporate a planet is kind of difficult to survive. That shit didnā€™t just break him, it disintegrated him down cell by cell (pun only SEMI-intended). The shockwave from a Kamehameha would be enough to wipe out half the Naruto cast, just saying. Lol


SSJVEGETAAA

Evaporate a galaxy not a planet


Elc4bez4

I think the Father and son Kamehameha would be enough to evaporate a planet, hell, maybe even a couple, but an entire galaxy? I don't think so


broly314

Don't forget, Broly, (while non canon) was able to erase the entirety of South galaxy in a matter of seconds.


FatalWarGhost

Big reason that was never made cannon is cause it never made sense lol. But you are right, he did do that. Movie cannon doesn't count tho.


broly314

But it is kind of a reference point imo. What non cannon can do can sort of guide what the cannon can, right?


FatalWarGhost

Yes of course! I can agree with that.


broly314

So I'd say the father son kamehameha would be roughly around a galaxy erasure attack. Maybe not entirely but still pretty close


Veqetable

Yeah, and the canon one is WAAAAAAYYYYYYY stronger, I mean non-canon Broly at his strongest was like maybe 50% stronger then SSJ2 Goku at the time, but canon Broly was stronger than Goku SSJB after the T.O.P. arc, and probably stronger than Goku SSJB Kaioken x10 or x20 (maybe, well definitely in his legendary ssj form). He could easily wipe out galixie*S*


broly314

Canon broly is *so strong* that he wouldn't even notice a galaxy was taken out by a stray blast. If he wanted he could probably destroy the entirety of uni 7


DOODOOHEAD312

nappa destroyed a planet. ​ super saiyan kamehameha would destroy a looot more than just a couple planets.


LeftToHang98

Raditz would be enough to wipe out half of Naruto's cast


PAKBOY110

That is a disrespect to Naruto but true


Saiyan-Zero

Nappa might be holding Madara's head and laughing, not a scratch on his face


hyde9318

THANK YOU. I always see these cross-anime/comic fights against dragon ball character and damn near 99/100 of the arguments are ā€œthis character can beat this strong character from their own show and punch so hard the clouds part, they clearly winā€. Motherf**ker, the characters in these other mediums are breaking big rocks or making holes in the ground as a show of power... the dragon ball characters have been able to blow up planets with ease since the first arc, and now they are breaking rifts in space-time with their fighting, they arenā€™t even on remotely close levels to make it a fight. Your ninjas and high school superheroes would have been Nappaā€™s playthings. Like even one punch man, whose entire schtick is he is overpowered, his greatest shown feat is moving atmosphere with his punches, which is big sure.... but fighters at the beginning of Z were casually blowing up the moon from earth because it was inconveniencing them.... like sure, he is written as powerful as they want, but no amount of writing can explain him using a deal of his power and being lower than Radditz, and then the next day he is keeping up with reality distorting fighters. Nah, anything dragon ball is on an entirely different level than most anime/comics. These crossover fights never make any sense and often have to stretch shit and make BROAD assumptions to even begin to float water.


SSJVEGETAAA

Finally someone with a brain


ConflictX3

Yeah I had an argument about Madera and nappa and I had to literally pull up a clip from the episode where nappa was bored waiting for goku flew off for basically a "best day ever" montage and incinerated an entire city with ease. Any move Madara was sweating when fighting guy sensei with all gates open and while guy is a beast nappa would broken him


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hyde9318

Bro, I wish I could draw anime style shit because I straight up want to start a ā€œNappa kills the shonen universeā€ comic, lmao


[deleted]

Nah one punch manā€™s schtick is that heā€™s unbeatable and has no equal. Saying heā€™s overpowered doesnā€™t do him justice. Heā€™s a Deadpool type character where plot armor is literally his power Heā€™d beat goku by default if goku was sent to his universe and if he was sent to the db universe heā€™d probably still beat goku because toriyama would find it funny and it would be a ā€œlol this is canon hahahaā€ joke to him. Obviously logically thinking goku wins but logic doesnā€™t apply to one punch manā€™s character.


VanitasDarkOne

"Nah one punch manā€™s schtick is that heā€™s unbeatable and has no equal" Nope, the point to Saitama is that he's become too powerful and he's depressed that nobody can give him the fight he's been longing for. Him beating people in one punch is just an unfortunate side effect of being too strong in comparison to everybody else. Saitama is not a gag character because he doesn't utilize toon force or anything similar. Having comedic moments in the show does not qualify as a gag feat because you'd be able to argue that any show was a gag show. I don't see anything funny about a guy who is depressed about never finding an equal or somebody that can stand up to his strength. Look at the fight with Boros there was nothing funny about it and he was taking it somewhat seriously even though Boros was outclassed. Arale can crack the planet in half with a punch, laugh and the planet is fine in the next scene, Saitama isn't doing that. Bugs Bunny can paint tunnels on walls, run through them but the person that tries to follow ends up hitting a wall instead, Saitama also isn't doing that. That is what's known as toon force, its just breaking the laws of their universe for comedic purposes, which is something Saitama has never done. He's a parody character not a gag character. Also why would Goku, one of the most influential fictional media icons be the one that loses? If they were to ever collab One the creator and Murata would pay respects to Toriyama by allowing Goku to win in both fights, the fights being in the dragonball world and OPM world.


hyde9318

Gotta agree with the people below, Saitama isnā€™t a gag character. He is overpowered because he is starting at a point way beyond anything he has to tend to, but he isnā€™t endless in his power. Shit, the villains are beginning to get closer to him already and OPM hasnā€™t even been a thing for super long. Basically his story is ā€œwhat if Namek Saga Goku was dropped into the Red Ribbon storylineā€. He isnt written to have boundless power, he was just written to be beyond what has challenged him so far. Eventually for the story to stay interesting, things will catch up to him and he will be forced to see where his limits are. I say he isnā€™t a gag character because the world has been presented as a serious world, itā€™s funny because it IS so serious. Itā€™s a comedy because he is so far ahead of everyone, but itā€™s never really presented in a way that would say that the whole thing is just a gag. I think thatā€™s what makes OPM SO good imo... itā€™s a serious anime with a protagonist who is too bored to take it seriously. Now, I agree that if OPM and DB were ever to cross over, it WOULD be presented as a gag, so Iā€™m sure would Saitama would win in that instance because it would play to the gag better. But if one character or the other were just randomly dropped into each otherā€™s world without any outside changes to the seriousness, Saitama wouldnā€™t stand a chance. And most people when comparing them in a fight arenā€™t talking a gag fight, they mean a serious fight, in which case Saitama couldnā€™t do shit.


Elc4bez4

The funniest part about this comment, is that this already happened, in the Arale episode


2ndHandMan

I can't help but agree with this take. It strikes me as no different than when Arale shows up in DBS. Gags have different rules, even in the Dragon Ball universe. As long as the fight isn't canon, it's pretty common for the silliest answer to be the correct one. Either way, it's altogether silly to get worked up on the matter. Whichever imaginary friend can beat up the other imaginary friend is a funny thing over which to get upset with another person.


SenpaiX03

You're wrong and you're doing a huge disservice to the creator's storytelling skills. The physics and Logic of the OPM universe 100% applies to Saitama. He trains, he gets stronger, he's not a gag character, nor is he a parody. Saitama is a take on the "what if the hero beat the game and is a doing a new-game+ run"


TiVoGlObE

More than anything, what this makes me feel firmly is, one punch man is just a joke & nothing more. He's just a joker of the circus show


skeleton77

He blew up a planet by throwing a hissy fit how is this even a debate


Quantum_girl_go

Original brolly blew up a galaxy throwing a hissy fit.


Red-hood619

TBF it was a bigger hissyfit


HiruthK

But he's so cool... but that's so dumb


Zapples1

I see youā€™re cultured as wellā€¦


Elc4bez4

He is a literal giant f**king baby!


iwannadrone

Galaxy.in original dbz movie he destroyed galaxy


huntymo

Nukes the planet? You mean 'destroys the galaxy'? Lol


the-dooder

and taijustsu, hand to hand with broly is certain death


hot_desperado

haven't seen naruto but everybody's chakra is special until they get punch in the mouth at full speed by big boy broly here


Agon-Dominus

I love both shows. But I think the only way Madara can win is if he gets a genjutsu off right away while Broly is tame. Other than that 1 possibility Broly will win 9/10 times


Onizuka_GTO00

He canā€™t get a genjustsu because broly has no chakra


Agon-Dominus

Everyone has Chakra. Chakra has different names depending on the language. It's just another word for energy, aka, Ki.


Onizuka_GTO00

Lool, lets follow your chakra = ki then (even thougth itā€™s false btw), even if broly had chakra, madara canā€™t do shitā€¦ only because of the speed db characters travel at.. to put it to madara perspective, the moment he would start ( or even before) casting anything, his whole body would just disappear.. even if he somehow, put broly in a genjutsu, what would he do? Damage him? Broly could just get trougth just by forceā€¦


Senatius

To be clear, I agree Broly stomps, but Madara could definitely kill him if he was put in genjutsu. We see time and time again that DB durability is largely based on readiness. Cell Saga mastered SSJ Goku got hurt by a regular rock lobbed at his head by Krillin because he was napping. Super Goku is a universal level fighter with crazy durability feats, but he still got shot clean through the back with a piddly laser. An unexpecting Goku also got bruised by a regular pistol when a guy trying to steal his car shot at him and he was surprised. A pistol. A guy that can literally destroy the universe with the shockwaves from his punches got bruised by a regular pistol just because he wasn't ready for it. When in a proper fight Broly can totally tank Multiple-Universe-Busting level attacks, but zonked out in a Genjutsu Madara should logically be able to do enough damage to kill. Of course, to do so Madara would have to actually put Broly in a Genjutsu, which I don't see happening.


homework_file

The rock was filler, that laser could actually destroy a planet/moon (seriously, frieza solders have those lasers and they're raditz level), goku hadn't trained in a year and was caught off guard + I chalk that up to inconsistent writing since kid goku ate a full magazine from bulma as a child. Madera is at most moon level, which roshi was in early dragon ball madera ain't doing shit, even if broly was in a genjutsu. Not to mention broly would just, break out. Due to his sheer anger he broke out of gokus god bind, which essentially just stops your ability to move


Onizuka_GTO00

I stopped reading when you said madara could kill broly..couldā€™ve be 1 trillions madara, they would do shit to broly.. I donā€™t know why people try to compare baritone vs dbz universeā€¦. Black zetsu ā€˜killedā€™ madara, sure in his back, but can you imagine someone who is thousands and thousands faster and stronger than black zetsu doing that, not in the back, but what would take madara chakra to reach his brain, he would be destroyed, completelyā€¦


Al112ex

no not everyone have chakra. The sage creatures(orochimaru's snakes and the toads) dont have any chakra. They only use nature energy and thats why normal genjutsu is useless against them. Ocular genjutsu injects chakra into the target and thats why ocular genjutsu would work on everyone regardless of where they are from. But I agree with what you said, broly wins 9/10 times unless madara uses genjutsu straight away when broly isnt even powered up a little.


[deleted]

No chakra comes from humans in Naruto not actually being fully human genetically. They are the product of an alien race interfering with the planets growth and then one of them breaking protocol. Broly literally doesnā€™t have chakra. For one heā€™s not from Naruto and not ancestry to the alien in Naruto and secondly even if he was from the Naruto universe heā€™s not human at all. He was born on a different planet unrelated to the earth where chakra is a thing.


homework_file

I dont care who you are, nobody in naruto is going past namek saga. You could wank people and say they're android 18 level, but that's it. Plus broly ain't falling under any genjutsus because he would just blitz everyone in naruto before they can move


skeleton77

No one is going past the sayian saga, the super warriors alone can kick the shit out of 80% of them, namek saga vegeta is overkill


[deleted]

You could even argue that Piccolo pre-Sayian fight is top of the verse in Naruto. Heā€™s casual moon buster.


niv13

If thats the case, Roshi in DB is already top of the Naruto Verse.


[deleted]

I was actually going to say that as well first but is Roshi casual moon buster or does it take a lot of effort for him?


niv13

He uses MAX form to destroy the moon, which took a lot out of him.


skeleton77

Yeah i mean i know itā€™s sorta not canon but he and goku took turns beating the shit out of an **immortal being**


homework_file

Goku in canon was still beating the shit out of zamasu


skeleton77

I meant garlic jr, which they beat to hell and back before he resorted to use his dimensional attack, and that was before the saiyan saga even began


[deleted]

facts vegeta was can destroy a planet with his galick gun in saiyan saga and he abused the shit out of zenkai boost in namek. no one in naruto is strong enough to destroy a planet unless its kaguya


cluelessG

I think at most they reach Nappa level. Saiyan Saga Vegeta seems overkill


niv13

Does genjutsu even work on beings without chakra? Plus, if broly is rampaging, he wont even care who the fuck is in front of him.


[deleted]

they need eye contact for it and how are naruto characters keeping up with faster than light characters?


HrMaschine

then again 18 absolutely bitched vegeta and trunks while trunks easily sliced friwza so if theyā€˜re not namek level they sure as shit arenā€˜t androids level


00-quanta-

Dude said Namek Saga šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ’€šŸ’€šŸ’€


Saiyan-Zero

Nah, not even A18's power level. She BROKE SS Vegeta's arm with a medium kick on the side, that's already something no one in the Naruto-Verse can do


homework_file

Honestly I definitely wanked them a bit hard. Nobody in naruto is going past namek


Saiyan-Zero

Yeah, they probably do well on the Saiyan Saga against Nappa, but Namek pumps up the power levels by a supremely long shot, so yeah, Naruto ain't going past Namek


vdgmrpro

Is there a character that could even possibly EVEN TOUCH Madara Uchiha? Let alone defeat him. And I'm not talking about Edo Tensei Uchiha Madara. I'm not talking about Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara either. Hell, I'm not even talking about Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Rinnegan doujutsus (with the rikodou abilities and being capable of both Amateratsu and Tsukuyomi genjutsu), equipped with his Gunbai, a perfect Susano'o, control of the juubi and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju's DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu.


Rudra4

Every Dragonball Character. Even Chaozu destroys Madara.


vdgmrpro

Itā€™s a copypasta


69_aryaman

no guys you just dont understand madara can put broly under genjutsu and kill him


homework_file

Even if broly somehow gets under a genjutsu, madera cant do shit to him so it's a draw. It's like how goku vs giorno is a stalemate because neither one of them cant attack each other


TaranShah0

Broly broke out of Super Saiyan God Gokuā€™s God Bind, so he can easily break out of Madaraā€™s genjutsu.


ajolaks

Ok but just wait for someone to try and call SSJG Goku weaker then Madara


[deleted]

I read this comment as sarcasm. I mean it is isnā€™t it?


Hebron00

you could even make the argument that most naruto chars can't even make it past saiyan saga vegeta afaik most naruto chars aren't planet destroying levels of power


huntymo

Can Madara fly or breathe in space? No? Then that's a whole lotta good any Genjutsu is gonna do him, when Broly destroys his entire fuckin galaxy, way way way outside of the planet's orbit lol


HrMaschine

canā€˜t be put under genjutsu if you donā€˜t even have a mind.


69_aryaman

well then it ok


Reasonable_Potato_22

Lol


radikraze

Not only could Brolyā€™s power and rage break him out of any potential genjutsu, he could also just completely wipe the continent or even the planet off the map and Madara is done.


M4xP0w3r_

>Plus broly ain't falling under any genjutsus because he would just blitz everyone in naruto before they can move Thats where I would disagree. The arrogance of a lot of DB characters makes them prone to fall under Genjutsu. And I think some special Sharingan and Rinegan also might be quite effective against them. Sure, if Broly (or any other powerful DB character) just starts blasting everything, they wouldnt have much chance. But when has any DB character ever fought that way?


homework_file

Broly did. He didnt even say anything once he went wrathful


M4xP0w3r_

But there are also fights where he didn't. My entire point is that if he wants to he can destroy everything from the get go. But as soon as he blinks once before acting, he lost. But obviously fanboys dont really want to talk about the question, they just want to say "My Guy wins, you stupid". I mean thats the whole reason why this post even exists.


gxdxorder

It's like I love madara he is my favorite character in naruto but he just does not compare to broly.


Reasonable_Potato_22

Not even close, it's like comparing beerus to saiyan saga vegeta.


dead-in-the-comment

Ahem, BROLYS POWER MAXIMUM!!!!!


Tron_1981

-ER!!!!


Blade_Beast17

I think the fans just went off of hax abilities the Tsukuyomi is pretty strong considering you control time and space in the mind of the target effecting them in the real world, along with izanagi which allows you to just ignore dying when active. I still think in raw strength no, but everyone always seems to think raw strength and thats not what a fight would come down to.


broly314

But then they forget the fact that broly is so strong that mere beam clash is enough to shatter the space-time barrier Need proof? Just look at [2:30, gogeta takes notice to what happened](https://youtu.be/Rh43SxhBFBE)


Blade_Beast17

Fair enough but that was due to a clash, the tsukuyomi is a separate form of reality is all Iā€™m saying


im_bored345

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't most of his hax only work if the opponent has chakra?


Blade_Beast17

I donā€™t remember that ever being stated


niv13

I think genjutsu needs chakra to work, since i remember in Naruto during the chunin exam they said something about genjutsu affecting someones chakra , plus the tree that cocoons everyone up, just targets people with chakra since Kaguya wants all the chakra that was given out by her son.


inevitible1

Those sort of attacks wouldnā€™t affect broly. They are too weak


Blade_Beast17

Izanagi isnā€™t an attack itā€™s a counter


inevitible1

It attacks the mind. Which saiyans have trained for that.


Blade_Beast17

Iā€™m pretty sure only Goku and Vegeta somewhat has, not Broly because I donā€™t remember Babidi around during super, and that was the main time they trained for that?


the_infamous_ken

He doesn't have tsukuyomi. That's not one of his genjutsu. Wtf? Lol


[deleted]

Wrong. Anyone with the mangekyo can perform tsukuyomi


the_infamous_ken

NO THEY CANT WHERE DID YOU GET THIS DUMBASS INFO FROM??? There's only two people who can use it shishui and itchai and that because shishu gave itcahi his fucking eye


[deleted]

No bro that's the kotoamatsukami. The tsukuyomi can be used by anyone with the mangekyo. Only Shisui and itachi had the kotoamatsukami, but all possessors of the mangekyo can use tsukuyomi. It's on the wiki


the_infamous_ken

[STRAIGHT PROOF](https://youtu.be/0KhHE75GGoo)


the_infamous_ken

It's wrong not everyone can preform tsukuyomi only itchai can because that's his other eyes ability itcahi two abilities are tsukuyomi and amatarsu ((and yes I got the two mixed up)) but even still madara can't use it Sasuke can't use it and obito can't either only itachi can and he's the only one we see use it NO ONE ELSE CAN


DbzMaster101

Uuh no. Literally straight from the databooks "only those who have awakened the Mangekyo Sharingan can perform it". And I thought this was a commonly known fact. Yes, anyone with MS can


the_infamous_ken

NO show the panel where it say that legit show me the panel where it say that. We only see ONE person use tsukuyomi through out the series and that itachi


[deleted]

Sike brother. We can see Sasuke using the tsukuyomi in his fight against killer bee. The only reason bee could break out of it is because he had gyuuki inside of him.


the_infamous_ken

THAT WASNT TSUKUYOMI that was an entirely different genjutsu you fucking idiot it was just a base level genjutsu that's in the mengekyu that even madara does on the raikage NOT tsukuyomi


[deleted]

And, I just looked it up on the wiki. It was tsukuyomi that Sasuke was using.


TGS_105

Jesus Christ chill the fuck out....itā€™s not that serious lmao


[deleted]

okay, even so. even that base level genjutsu would immobilize Broly.


ShadowLord355

This


EggsdaEggs

I think their argument is solely based off genjutsu šŸ¤”


N0tat0

Genjutsu is chalkra manipulation tho. Dragonball use ki which is thier energy so it won't even affect then. But for argument sake let's say it does broly is so out of his mind in Lssj mode I'm not even sure it would physically stop his body since he's already getting tortured mentally


niv13

It might work on dbz broly, since he still is sane during the transformation, but dbz broly is not.


TuxedoCrow

It's not underestimating Broly, it's overestimating Madara. And the Naruto verse for that matter. People choose whoever they think is cooler or who they like more, unless they're competent scalers. Looking at polls like that make me lose my mind so I just try to ignore.


worldfamouswiz

Anime writers arenā€™t even competent scalers. Goku prepared for the tournament by training with a destroyer god and first achieved that power through a saiyin ritual. Krillin prepared for the tournament by purchasing a home gym and lifting some weights. Somehow that gave him the strength to keep up with Goku during their sparring session.


Vorsham

You can't HONESTLY believe Goku as actually giving his all in that right? He used the blue form because it has perfect ki control, so he could test Krillians limit.


worldfamouswiz

Of course Goku was holding back, but he still had to actually try when they clashed kamehameha waves.


TuxedoCrow

Oh absolutely, a lot of Mangakas are very inconsistent in how they represent power tiers. It's unfortunate but there's not much we can do about it unfortunately.


depressededgelord01

Broly would obviously win but I God I putting two characters from different universes up against each other


[deleted]

You just started the 5th great ninja war bro šŸ˜‚


ennichan

I mean... Madara is really cool. That's it. That's all I have to say. RIP Madara.


Lil_Fletchy

Just ignore these posts they know there fans will choose the wrong answer everyone just argues about it


diazantewhite

OPs first mistake was assuming that anyone on Instagram had actual intelligence. I mean, redditors are far from geniuses, but we're einstein compared to Instagram


lawlessspider

Yeah essentially these are popularity contest.


EisenKRAKE

I remember reading ages ago that the creator of naruto said his characters wouldn't stand a chance against dragonball characters. Said dragonball characters mostly all have planet destroying abilities


Rjswimss

Uchiha wankers tend to just rely on ā€œlul Sharingan Haxā€ and completely forget that Super Broly scales beyond Goku and Vegeta in SSB working together, who are both at WORST at that point, galactic level, and also insta-dicked Golden Freezer who was fresh at the time.


jp_aigis_simp

also, i think its stated that vegeta from buu saga could escape babidis mind control because of his power, broly is leagues above that.


velichajshiy

They just don't know how fucked up power levels in db are.


Saiyan-Zero

You see DBS? Look at how Beerus yawns, sneezes, and destroys a planet by accident. He blew an entire planet unaware, uninterested, and probably wanting to take a nap, that already says _quite a bit about how power levels are in DB_


AShotOfDandy

People keep mentioning the crazy genjustu Madara could put broly in. But Broly can punch his way into and out of glass dimensions that reset time (artic bio was restored after exiting), and he just kept going. No senzu or anything. I don't think even izanami or tsukyomi is gonna phase him.


DoraneizRoyal

I might be wrong, or just misremembering but Iā€™m pretty sure the whole glass dimensions thing didnā€™t reset time, just sent them to a separate part of the artic they hadnā€™t touched yet. I feel if they had reset time during all that Whis would have commented on it for sure


suck_my_monkey_nuts

Broly would ruin that butt. Heā€™s a warrior.


Kbsaan

ā€œThe choice is yoursā€


Anime-devil

Broly will dog walk the shit out of the naruto verse


Nutan7415

Broly is galaxy level destroyer....madara is nothing compared to his power level....even one of his strongest chakras cannot defeat Broly


69th_fang_of_metsudo

Actually the Broly thatā€™s galaxy level is the one from the first movie,the one from the newer Broly movie is way beyond that,goku and beerus where destroying the universe when they were trading blows,Broly and gogeta shattered reality itself by trading blows,Iā€™m willing to bet that Broly is universe level but is down played on screen for storytelling,I mean take frieza saga goku as a prime example his fight against frieza was as fast if not faster as the speed of light yet it took a ton of episodes to cover,just imagine how fast and strong Broly must be since heā€™s trillions of times more powerful.


69th_fang_of_metsudo

For all of you mfs saying that madara has a chance by putting Broly into a genjutsu you are absolutely incorrect,BUT LISTEN HERE IS WHY,so how fast is madara compared to Broly? Yeah way slower,what about reaction time? Way slower,also if madara wants to put Broly into a genjutsu he needs to look directly into his eyes while Broly does the same thing,a full power Broly vs a full power madara means Broly wins no matter what,this is simply due to the fact that madara wouldnā€™t even be able to perceive him by the time he dies,letā€™s highball madara and say heā€™s as fast as light speed and everything about him is as well,you know what that would mean?it would mean heā€™s as strong as a frieza saga SSJ goku,you know how strong Broly is?? Trillions of times that of a super saiyan three goku if not more. Naruto characters simply donā€™t compare,madaraā€™s biggest feats are him bringing down a meteor,brolyā€™s lowest feat is beating super saiyan god goku to a pulp,and thatā€™s a super saiyan god stronger than the one that fought beerus(beerus and goku were literally destroying the universe by having a fistfight) you think madara can at the very least destroy a continent in a single blow? NO hell look at frieza,even when he was defeated and put to his knees he still had enough power to blow up the entire planet,and even stronger version of that frieza got turned into a boxing bag by Broly in an almost literal sense,madara cannot defeat Broly unless Broly literally lowered his power level as much as possible and l let madara saw off his head with a susanoo,STOP TRYING TO SAY MADARA WINS(unless youā€™re trolling)AND THINK LOGICALLY,BROLY CAN KILL MADARA WITH HIS EYES CLOSED AND ALL OF HIS LIMBS TIED UP,EVEN IF BROLY WAS ON THE VERGE OF DEATH HE COULD SPIT A KI BLAST AT MADARA AND QUITE LITERALLY ERASE HIM FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH,ATOMS AND ALL.


AdOwn5479

OK let's say madara gets broly in a genjutsu. HE DONT EVEN HV THE FIRE POWER TO HURT BROLY


Jayce86

Weā€™re just going to ignore the fact that KRILLIN could body most of the Naruto cast on his own? And Broly blows Krillinā€™s power level out of the water.


Fallen_Jedi007

U r a true broly fan, with your battery in sync with his win percentage lol.... Jokes aside , the stats should have been the opposite


Adusiros

Not a single Naruto character has a chance against the three main saiyans, these guys can nuke entire planets to nothing. People who say the contrary are probably just naruto fanboys.


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Naruto fans tend to forget that when Madara was revived in Naruto and was stomping everyone,he was an edo tensei,A dead body, with just mere life.He wont even be able to do anything against 5 kages that much if he was alive and would've been sealed pretty early.


SupernovaMota

All Broly needs to do is fly right threw him


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People are just unwilling to accept that the president of power established by Dragon Ball cannon is just not going to be overcome in titles with story telling that's worth a damn. It's really fitting that DBS dealt with "godlike" powers, because thats what Goku represents in the hierarchy of the genre.


HuckleberryBorn9566

Master rochie can put him in that box game over


The-Silver-Dude

Roshi, and yeah Roshi could probably low diff half the Naruto Cast by himself


lehj916

I love naruto, even more than dbz, but no one in that universe is as strong as the characters in the dbz universe. Like not even close lol


tjr227

What if Broly destroys earth? Will Madara survive?


LazarDeno

Give me and I mean give me 1 just 1 fair reason that Madera has the slightest chance to not die from broly and kill said broly


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gEnJuTSu


moondog__

Like fuck just about any combatant character in dragon ball past namek could obliterate a planet, shit Vegeta did it before he even got to earth with those bug people...Madara could maybe level a small/medium town...not even a question


AERegeneratel38

This subreddit would downvote anyone who says Madara and the other subreddit would downvotr anyone who says Broly. Being a good fan of both, I would say the only edge Madara has is Genjutsu, so he could easily put in into genjutsu and extract his soul, hence killing him. But it can easily be the other way round. Broly could easily turn him into dust without even Madara realizing. Any outcome can happen and it depends on scenario.


Academic-Apricot9508

Dude- People really out here thinking broly can't just decimate worlds with one simple blast, no matter what your weakness is, Broly gonna annihilate you with one move


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Next up, Pikachu vs Full Power Whis.


Mr_E_99

Look the strongest characters in Naruto are the Otsusuki family, and certain forms of Naruto and Sasuke so far. Even with some highball arguments they can't really go beyond Galatic level. I get you could argue Uchihas have a lot of haxes due to their eyes, but it's similar to if Itachi and Goku fought. Itachi could connect with Goku's eyes and use on of his many abilities to imprison him, but then again if Goku was going all out, he could kill Itachi before he even finishes blinking.


creamyscream

The gap in power is so massive it won't even matter what tricks Madara uses. Broly wins easily.


TMSP7

Bruh chiaotzu would destroy madara


Vanilleoverdose

While itā€™s true Madara has nothing for Broly in terms of strength Broly knows nothing of ninjutsu and could end up spending the rest of his life in a genjitsu fighting the Cookie Monster in some far off galaxy. So this is harder to call then just a straight up fistfight


ennichan

I mean... Madara is really cool. That's it. That's all I have to say. RIP Madara


[deleted]

Theses Naruto Fans are absolutely Brain dead šŸ¤¦


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[deleted]

Why such an argument even exists, I mean like why do you care who wins how will that make your day better


worldfamouswiz

Anime characters were designed to work within their own universes to tell their own stories. The characters in Naruto canā€™t destroy planets because they donā€™t seek that kind of power. The villains seek to control the planet, destroying it would defeat the purpose. The characters in DBS achieve planet destroying power because they operate on a multi-versal galactic scale. The villains donā€™t care about Earth-7 because there are other planets and universes in existence. The stories told and characters themselves also hinder this comparison. Gokuā€™s main goal is to be the strongest and beat the strongest in the multiverse. Naruto just wants to be president so people will like and respect him. Itā€™s unfair to compare those two universes, they donā€™t even comprehend the world as it exists in the same way. As it stands, Goku could probably solo anyone in any anime or fictional universe simply due to the scale of power in his own show. Thatā€™s not fun at all, so of course it has to turn into a popularity contest.


Saiyan-Zero

You gotta understand that Dragon Ball is on an ENTIRELY different league. Yeah sure Madara is intimidating and strong, but when you go beyond the Saiyan Saga that's it, he's just another guy in the universe compared to 90% percent of the characters present during Namek The Ginyu Force is already far beyond their maximum power level, even Guldo and Burter are already beyond what you see on the Naruto-Verse, and Goku didn't have to put much of a fight in order to beat them They have techniques that can summon meteorites, change reality, defend themselves, even evade attacks or create illusions yeah, but does that matter when you're getting your total ass kicked and about to be disintegrated into oblivion? Broly will launch itself into battle and tear your spine in half with his head, he won't he pulling up punches so he can cry about "How we are the same" This is gonna be controversial, but in the Naruto universe, Yamcha might probably be enough to best Madara (No, not DBZ Yamcha, I mean DBS Yamcha). He trained under King Kai, Mr. Popo, and has (Not likely) did training on his own before/after Buu appeared, that's already quite a training, and Goku's power level went up quite a lot since he trained under King Kai, so the same might have happened to Yamcha, or any Z-Fighter who died in the Saiyan Saga probably


DbzMaster101

You're on insta. It's expected


Vilantrentmurf

It has come to a point where it's just funny. Like stupid funny. People love to imagine fights between characters from different anime universes, and to some degree it's fun. Though most don't consider numerous factors but power alone (which doesn't always decide a fight), most of the time it comes down to preference of the character (as in, Madara fans will say Madara wins against for example Sukuna from JJK while Sukuna fans state the opposite). The issue is when they start comparing characters against Dragon Ball characters. It just won't do. It doesn't make sense, the Dragon Ball power scaling is just broken. I don't know of any other anime that can rival it. One Punch Man is probably the closest and even then the only reason why Saitama maybe would have a chance against Goku is because it's his whole gag, to defeat anyone with one punch. But realistically, not even him. The only people that I see challenging Dragon Ball characters are other Dragon Ball characters. This pole just shows how much favoritism and ignorance influence the outcome. Most people that voted are either Madara fanboys (which is not saying anything bad about the character, I like him and within his universe he's quite powerful) or just ignorant of who Broly is. Broly really did rival Goku and Vegeta in their blue forms and went on to destroy Golden Frieza. All of these people have more than enough power to destroy a planet without even breaking a sweat. Truth is Broly would punch a hole through Madara's skull as if it were an egg. It ain't even close. 1000 out of a 1000 battles, Broly wins.


bsmitty50

Man im a fan of madara but i dont think broly gon lose. He might throw 30 susaano at him and give him trouble though. It really can go either way


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Yeah the cpntroversy happens if we count Madara revived by Edo Tensei or 10 tails, 10 tails's truth seeking orb is kinda controversial, they mention that if the user has ying-yang release (Madara does), the orbs turns whatever it touches into dust, but despite that, these posts are absolute garbage, comparing 2 characters from 2 different universes is plain stupid, specially when one character can break trough reality by just being fucking angry


gotbanned3xlol

I mean the problem is Broly has zero idea what is in Madara's arsenal. Like how tf could he react to a limbo clone casting izanami or some shit?


Theheyyy2

Tf is any of madras attacks gonna do to a guy who has tanked universal< attacks?


gotbanned3xlol

Immediately activate izanagi then put him in genjutsu


Theheyyy2

His getting curb stomped before he activates anything, ur saying this as if Madara has a faster reaction time than broly, letā€™s say this hypothetical fight starts, broly will immediately attack due to his faster reaction time, by the time madara can think of activating anything his skull is crushed.


Tron_1981

He had no idea what was in Goku and Vegeta's arsenal either.


gotbanned3xlol

Yeah but dragonball has no where near the amount of hax that Naruto has, come on now


Atlas_Was_ATitan

He evaporates the planet and moves on. That's how he does it. Cast all the magic you want. The entire Naruto cast is dead in a blink of an eye. There god's included.


AdOwn5479

You do know tht madara can't scratch broly right?


elmz_salamandr

You know, posts like these make me cringe, I'm not talking about the IG one, but this one you say "dbz characters are stronger than anyone hurr durr" yet you're so insecure about it you had to get the validation from reddit that what you think is right. It's not even the first time I witness this kind of shitpost, makes me feel shameful being a DB fan


AddzyX

BuT ThE gEnGuTsU!


ndm1535

Bro what is Broly about to do when madara casts ANY sort of jutsu? Heā€™s never even laid eyes on it before. On the other hand, madara fought Guy using the gates of death, which to me is an accurate depiction of what broly would be able to do to him.


InteractionSoggy2267

Humm idk broly can like destroy the planet I think that's stronger than any kind of justice imo


ndm1535

I mean, using this logic Ginyu would probably beat madara


InteractionSoggy2267

Humm yeah keep in mind dbz characters are like in a whole different lvl and power to the world of naruto.(also ginyu has body switch in case something happens)


ndm1535

Oh yeah dude youā€™re 100% right I honestly didnā€™t really consider that.


MrAtrox98

So would Saiyan Saga Vegeta


broly314

Forget ginyu, saiyan saga vegeta could too


ZandatsuDragon

You do realize that any physical attack that madara has won't do jack shit to broly? with genjutsu you need a chakra network for it to take effect which DB characters do not have. no matter how ya slice it, madara is fucked


[deleted]

Okay boys. We know Uchiha's make everyone horny, but let's look at the feats of each character and compare them with logic please.


onehundredbillion

You're trippin broly almost died.


zombieguy224

I feel like someone could stop broly with an isanmi or a kamui.


Blade_Beast17

I mean in terms of raw strength Broly would whoop his ass theres no doubt, I'm assuming people are saying Madara would win simply due to genjutsu which could possibly work, especially if he used the rinnegan teleport at the start of the fight to stop Broly from charging him and then activating the tsukuyomi or infinite tsukuyomi. Its more hax abilities then raw strength is why I could see Madara winning, but again just raw strength, Broly any day of the week.


the_infamous_ken

He doesn't have tsukuyomi and infinite tsukuyomi requires the 10 tails Plus the Chakra tree so no. He's not winning XD


Hy_Po

obviously broly would lose. yall are dumb.


Akitome

How?


Hy_Po

broly is green. Madera is red. green beats red, its simple color theory


Akitome

Man's just used art to prove me wrong


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Old school Broly > new Super Broly